The moron has spoken.

[gworld]

Robertson: U.S. should assassinate Venezuela's Chavez

Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the United States to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him "a terrific danger" bent on exporting Communism and Islamic extremism across the Americas.

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson told viewers on his "The 700 Club" show Monday. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."

U.S. should assassinate Venezuela's Chavez (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez.1534/index.html)

Some other hall of famer from this moron includes:

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After the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack, Jerry Falwell (along with fellow televangelist Pat Robertson) made comments interpreted as blaming various groups for the attack. Falwell said:

And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

Robertson then responded:

Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.

"The Antichrist is probably a Jew alive in Israel today."

"Presbyterians are the spirit of the AntiChrist."

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He hates everybody independent if they are Jews, Presbyterians, Muslim, president of another country, ACLU, gay or judge in federal court system and preach hates while having TV program about Christian religion. :confused:

How can so many Americans believe in such morons like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell,... is behind understanding.

[zman]

WTF? We actually agree? :p

He shouldnt have said it. It was stupid. I thing that bastard down there should be removed and is dangerous but we should never say that we should assasinate him.

Pat does have the right to say whatever he wants though. I just think he should have kept his mouth shut on that one.

My two cents

[gworld]

Pat does have the right to say whatever he wants though.

Not true, both USA and UK are arresting and deporting people for this kind of speech. Is this your opinion that freedom of speech for American hate mongers and arrest, torture and deportation for everybody else?

[Hodgedup]

Not true, both USA and UK are arresting and deporting people for this kind of speech.

WHAT? Who's being arrested and deported for freedom of speech?

When you start a thread with a title like that and comments like that, well....

[toocoolforschool]

Um, gworld, no disrepect, bro, but starting a thread by calling the topic of your thread "the moron" and then further continuing to call said topic of interest "moron" throughout your article doesn't exactly convince others you are "open minded" about this particular topic, thus what's the point in debating the merits of your thread?

I'm just saying...

P.S. Before you call me a "neo con" or a "religious fanatic", know that I am a Buddhist, was since birth, still am. :)

[gworld]

WHAT? Who's being arrested and deported for freedom of speech?

When you start a thread with a title like that and comments like that, well....

Hate and death threats are not covered by free speech and that is the reason people are being deported for hate speech, the law should be applied to both side.

[Design Agent]

I have to agree with toocool, you sound like the exact opposite of a neocon which is just as bad gworld

[gworld]

Um, gworld, no disrepect, bro, but starting a thread by calling the topic of your thread "the moron" and then further continuing to call said topic of interest "moron" throughout your article doesn't exactly convince others you are "open minded" about this particular topic, thus what's the point in debating the merits of your thread?

I'm just saying...

P.S. Before you call me a "neo con" or a "religious fanatic", know that I am a Buddhist, was since birth, still am. :)


What word do you use for a person that his ideas are at least couple of hundred years behind the time, according to his young wife ( a nurse) has schizoid tendencies, talks to God and mix different messages of hate and killing with Christian teaching with out seeing any logical problems?

[TommyD]

Funny, I haven't thought, seen, or even heard anything about Pat Robertson in a long time. Do you think that he said what he said so the could be heard? Think just spreading and talking about this stuff is helping his goals of getting the world to once again remember who he is?

I feel so used. :(

;)

[zman]

Not true, both USA and UK are arresting and deporting people for this kind of speech. Is this your opinion that freedom of speech for American hate mongers and arrest, torture and deportation for everybody else?

G, Im dissapointed in you.

Why not have the same attitude to all those who call for the death of Bush? Why not have the same attitude for those who go on video threatening to kill an entire nation?

Come on G, you can do better than that. ;)

[gworld]

Why not have the same attitude to all those who call for the death of Bush? Why not have the same attitude for those who go on video threatening to kill an entire nation?



Equality in front of law for everyone. Open courts, respect of accepted procedures and right to lawyers for anyone suspected of crime. Equal punishment for anyone convicted of crime independent of race or religion.

[zman]

Equality in front of law for everyone. Open courts, respect of accepted procedures and right to lawyers for anyone suspected of crime. Equal punishment for anyone convicted of crime independent of race or religion.

Who is suspected of a crime? Did you respond to the right thread? :confused:

[gworld]

Who is suspected of a crime? Did you respond to the right thread? :confused:

Many of Pat Robertson speeches and others like him are covered by hate speech and hate crime code under federal laws.

[zman]

If I am wrong I am wrong. Can you link up to where it proves he broke a law and should be punished accordingly? Now I am curious.

[Hodgedup]

Hate and death threats are not covered by free speech and that is the reason people are being deported for hate speech, the law should be applied to both side.

Just who and where are these people being deported, too? I don't remember any law that said if you gave a hate speech they send you to Madagascar.

[zman]

Just who and where are these people being deported, too? I don't remember any law that said if you gave a hate speech they send you to Madagascar.

It's ok, G is going to provide us with some proof. ;)

[Design Agent]

Regardless of whether it is right or wrong here is a UK example.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L12317935.htm

[zman]

LONDON, Aug 12 (Reuters) - Britain barred hardline Muslim cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed on Friday from returning to the country, as part of a government crackdown on Islamic preachers it says inspire bombers like those who attacked London in July.

Inspiring bombers and saying someone who supports terrorism should be dead are two different things. Im not trying to justify what Pat said, as I pointed out I disagree with him and he should have kept is trap shut. I'm just saying there really is very little comparison here.

IMHO (which Im sure is not nearly as valid as yours) :p

[debunked]

Inspiring bombers and saying someone who supports terrorism should be dead are two different things. Im not trying to justify what Pat said, as I pointed out I disagree with him and he should have kept is trap shut. I'm just saying there really is very little comparison here.

IMHO (which Im sure is not nearly as valid as yours) :p

Also, Robertson I believe was probably born in the U.S. so it's not like we can keep him out like a foreigner. Strange thing for him to say, but I don't know if he realizes that he is a political figure now more than anything.

[Hodgedup]

Well according to gworld we'll find some place to deport Robertson to.

[isaiasd2003]

WTF? We actually agree? :p

He shouldnt have said it. It was stupid. I thing that bastard down there should be removed and is dangerous but we should never say that we should assasinate him.

Pat does have the right to say whatever he wants though. I just think he should have kept his mouth shut on that one.

My two cents
"I concur" lmfao! lol

[gworld]

Here is the case from France:

France's highest administrative court has ruled a deportation order against a Muslim preacher who defended the beating of unfaithful wives is legal.

France can deport Muslim cleric (http://www.aroms.com/forums/showthread.html?t=9963)

This is the case from USA:

A man convicted for statements that prosecutors said incited his followers to train for violent jihad against the United States was sentenced to life in prison today in a federal courtroom in Alexandria.

Va. Muslim Spiritual Leader Gets Life (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071301596.html)


This is a web site with quotes from Pat Robertson, look at what he says about women, gay,...:

Pat Robertson quotes (http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm)

Here is a link to US civil rights act

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm

Try to be fair and honest and decide which one of the three is more hateful and crazy. All three are hate mongers that do not believe in democratic institution but one is deported, one is sitting in jail for life and the other one plays a major role in American politics and it is on TV.

From my previous post:

Equality in front of law for everyone. Open courts, respect of accepted procedures and right to lawyers for anyone suspected of crime. Equal punishment for anyone convicted of crime independent of race or religion.

[isaiasd2003]

Well according to gworld we'll find some place to deport Robertson to.
LMFAO! ROFL, send him to australia? hey thats what the english did at one point in the past :D

[gworld]

Well according to gworld we'll find some place to deport Robertson to.

A federal prison will do just fine.

[isaiasd2003]

Here is the case from France:

France's highest administrative court has ruled a deportation order against a Muslim preacher who defended the beating of unfaithful wives is legal.

France can deport Muslim cleric (http://www.aroms.com/forums/showthread.html?t=9963)

This is the case from USA:

A man convicted for statements that prosecutors said incited his followers to train for violent jihad against the United States was sentenced to life in prison today in a federal courtroom in Alexandria.

Va. Muslim Spiritual Leader Gets Life (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071301596.html)


This is a web site with quotes from Pat Robertson, look at what he says about women, gay,...:

Pat Robertson quotes (http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/revpat.htm)

Here is a link to US civil rights act

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm

Try to be fair and honest and decide which one of the three is more hateful and crazy. All three are hate mongers that do not believe in democratic institution but one is deported, one is sitting in jail for life and the other one plays a major role in American politics and it is on TV.

From my previous post:

Equality in front of law for everyone. Open courts, respect of accepted procedures and right to lawyers for anyone suspected of crime. Equal punishment for anyone convicted of crime independent of race or religion.

If you can't put racist people in jail or deport them for protesting, then u can't touch pat either-simple fact.
Though to make things CLEAR, he said the U.S. "should" do what the U.S. may have been thinking of doing (as many, many news leaders say the U.S. may have been thinking), it doesn't mean hes(pat) some suspected terrorist group leader planning to make a *hit on that psycho. Hes not a hitman and he has no hitmen, so its just a dumb thing he said, nothing more. It sure doesn't help America though. :eek:

Can't go off imprisoning someone in a Federal prison without atlease showing intent to act on something bad enough to be put in there , sorry wont work.

[gworld]

If you can't put racist people in jail or deport them for protesting, then u can't touch pat either-simple fact.
Though to make things CLEAR, he said the U.S. "should" do what the U.S. may have been thinking of doing (as many, many news leaders say the U.S. may have been thinking), it doesn't mean hes(pat) some suspected terrorist group leader planning to make a *hit on that psycho. Hes not a hitman and he has no hitmen, so its just a dumb thing he said, nothing more. It sure doesn't help America though. :eek:

Can't go off imprisoning someone in a Federal prison without atlease showing intent to act on something bad enough to be put in there , sorry wont work.

If he is protected by free speech then so should be others. If you read the case in USA, he only talked about it too. Read his quotes against women, gay,.... all are illegal according to civil right acts but the question will be who is the prosecutor brave enough to prosecute a friend of president with his own TV show?

Society will lose it's respect for law when it is not applied equally to all independent of race, religion and political affiliation.

[digimania]

Assasinating Chavez would be cheaper indeed but that will still send US into a war. Where else should Chavez point their fingers but on US.

[TommyD]

I have to thank everyone, after many being tools for Pat Robertson by acting as messengers that he still lives and speaks, I decided to actually find out what he said.

Ne never said, "kill" or "assassinate" or even "smack around with your jimmy" What he did say was "take out". It seems that he could have suggested coups, or even firing up the people to be pro-democracy, but it seems that wouldn't be as much fun as saying 'kill' or 'assassinate'. It seems that there many players in this:

Pat Roberts: Considering how much he speaks, and speaks, I'm sure there are many examples of statements that others find offensive.

The Media: Having a headline stating "Assassinate Chavez" is more powerful than "form a pro-democracy take over of Chavez"

The messengers: Those who perpetuated this message by posting in forums and news groups not what Pat Roberts actually said, but what they 'read' or 'blogged' about. The real tools in the story. ;)

Nuff said, this is a dumb topic. You want to hear real hate speech from a religious dude, come to Farrakhan rally and hear the anti-Semitic speeches.

bye,

tom

[GTech]

We had "take out" last night :D

gworld, as usual, you attack Christianity and Jews *only* but mention equality. I think most people can see what you are doing. Hell, if Ray Charles were still with us, he could see what you are doing.

Pat Robertson is a private citizen. He didn't call for jihad against his country. He didn't incite others to take up arms and fight against his country. These are the things your buds in the UK are doing, which you are always defending. No comparison.

But your hatred of Christians and Jews shines even brighter.

[Hodgedup]

This is the case from USA:

A man convicted for statements that prosecutors said incited his followers to train for violent jihad against the United States was sentenced to life in prison today in a federal courtroom in Alexandria.

Va. Muslim Spiritual Leader Gets Life (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071301596.html)



Ali Timimi was encouraging people to go get training and then commit terrorist acts against the US. Are you unable to see the difference? Do they not have Sesame Street where you're at to teach near and far, same and different?

When you continue to post stuff like this I think you should change the name of the thread to the moron keeps speaking.

[palespyder]

Isn't this the same guy that said 9/11 was god punishing wicked pagans and homosexuals? Take what this guy says with a grain of salt, he is an idiot and "Well-timed silence hath more eloquence than speech" but I think he is a relatively harmless idiot. He is not inciting Jihad or a Crusade, he only stated "Taking him out would be cheaper then a war".

While this view is extremely narrow minded, he has the right as a private citizen to say as he wishes, thats the beauty of the US, if we don't like someone, we are ALLOWED to say what we like in a non threatening manner, so, I can say "I wish someone would assassinate Joe Blow." and thats my right. Now on the other hand if I say "I am going to assassinate Joe Blow" thats cause for a bit of alarm.

I am neither Christian nor Jew, in fact, the religion I follow is criticized by both, but, know, I would gladly give my life to protect their freedom to ridicule my religion as I have the freedom to ridicule theirs. Do I think our system is perfect, HARDLY!!!!, it's far from it, but, I would rather live in this country and have the rights I have then to live somewhere that soldiers have to walk the streets with machine guns. I would rather suffer embarrassment in the face of the world as someone who protects free speech then someone who thinks anyone who doesn't agree should be locked away. Isn't it hilarious how the entire world HATES our policies until they work FOR them??

[isaiasd2003]

If he is protected by free speech then so should be others. If you read the case in USA, he only talked about it too. Read his quotes against women, gay,.... all are illegal according to civil right acts but the question will be who is the prosecutor brave enough to prosecute a friend of president with his own TV show?

Society will lose it's respect for law when it is not applied equally to all independent of race, religion and political affiliation.
First off, society doesn't give a f*** about law, as I see my best friends having to fight them day in and day out over every unbelievable law they choose to break.
Second, your QUOTE stating Rest his quotes against women, gay,... all are illegal according to civil right acts.
This all is under free speech, for example: women are allowed to be men haters, and speak out against men. +
There never was a time when someone was put in jail for male hating, only for taking things too far like refusing to obey the *cops when they tell you, you can't block certain roads and they refuse, and do it anyhow or when they get into fights with other women.=
=Hate speeches aren't entirely disallowed by the US law, as you should have done your research, hate speeches are done each year , even with protection by police to keep things calm. So it doesn't make any difference.
The only time a hate speech is disallowed is when u either are acting on it, have intensions to act, or when you do it in a place like "your job", in a "store", on the "news". They may scorn a person for doing such, now if they say it DIRECTLY to a single "worker" in their "job", they face civil laws. This isn't the only case, but it is the most often.

Assasinating Chavez would be cheaper indeed but that will still send US into a war. Where else should Chavez point their fingers but on US.
yeah, true, did you get to see that scene on the news where he had all those anti-american campaigns, he was also trying to connect with communists, and claimed he wanted all the spanish countries to come together to fight america. That dudes becoming a splintter. Sorry I've been playing splintter cell lately, so I used that word :D

[isaiasd2003]

I have to thank everyone, after many being tools for Pat Robertson by acting as messengers that he still lives and speaks, I decided to actually find out what he said.

Ne never said, "kill" or "assassinate" or even "smack around with your jimmy" What he did say was "take out". It seems that he could have suggested coups, or even firing up the people to be pro-democracy, but it seems that wouldn't be as much fun as saying 'kill' or 'assassinate'. It seems that there many players in this:

Pat Roberts: Considering how much he speaks, and speaks, I'm sure there are many examples of statements that others find offensive.

The Media: Having a headline stating "Assassinate Chavez" is more powerful than "form a pro-democracy take over of Chavez"

The messengers: Those who perpetuated this message by posting in forums and news groups not what Pat Roberts actually said, but what they 'read' or 'blogged' about. The real tools in the story. ;)

Nuff said, this is a dumb topic. You want to hear real hate speech from a religious dude, come to Farrakhan rally and hear the anti-Semitic speeches.

bye,

tom
Yeah, you do know the history behind mainstream media, right gworld? The history about it is, mainstream media has well grounded links to extreme liberal, anti-religious ways of believe(or in other words atheist-I know I didn't spell that right).
You'll see how well they give a person the smack down just for any mistake they make when they also happen to be Christian or whatever, its true in so many cases. Infact I encourage you to find one time when a well known christian has made a mistake and the news made no deal about it, and only gave them a internet article. I've seen some nuts make mistakes and get a 2 second segment on them on cnn, but this thing is rediculous. They nearly took war off the issue, I believe the news just ran low on hot material such as war news, and consumers were getting bored with seeing war all the time, so they every now and them break out a little story and make it big news.:cool:

[GuyFromChicago]

Considering the title of this thread I thought this was funny.


Please resume your regularily scheduled debate:)

[palespyder]

Considering the title of this thread I thought this was funny.


Please resume your regularily scheduled debate:)

OKAY NO THATS FUNNY!!!!!

[debunked]

I love his redneck spelling. (Or are the Morans just his neighbor's last name?)

[gworld]

Robertson corrects himself after the critics. He is a kidnapper not murderer. :rolleyes:

Robertson:

"I didn't say assassination," Robertson continued. "I said our special forces should take him out. Take him out can be a number of things including kidnapping. "

I Was Misinterpreted (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/08/24/national/main793257.shtml)

[GTech]

He is a kidnapper not murderer.

Thank God he didn't call for a jihad against his country or incite bombers to start taking out train stations.

Else you would have made a new friend :rolleyes:

Thank God he doesn't work for CAIR, or the MSM would have given him a pass and not mentioned it at all.

[gworld]

Thank God he didn't call for a jihad against his country or incite bombers to start taking out train stations.

Else you would have made a new friend :rolleyes:

Thank God he doesn't work for CAIR, or the MSM would have given him a pass and not mentioned it at all.

Does this mean that murderer and kidnappers are fine as long as they are Americans?

[GTech]

Does this mean that murderer and kidnappers are fine as long as they are Americans?

Maybe we should ask the head choppers in Iraq? They seem to have a lot of experience in this area. But for some reason, never seem to get their own topic.

[gworld]

Maybe we should ask the head choppers in Iraq? They seem to have a lot of experience in this area. But for some reason, never seem to get their own topic.


How about we put the Iraq's fanatics and Robertson in the same mental hospital, so each one can have his own private line to God and plan on how should kill or kidnap the other one? :D

[GTech]

How about we put the Iraq's fanatics and Robertson in the same mental hospital, so each one can have his own private line to God and plan on how should kill or kidnap the other one? :D

I wouldn't necessarily object to that. But Robertson did apologize for his comments today. Can't say I've ever seen a terrorist apologize for anything. I don't know much about Robertson except that many believe (for whatever reason) he is some sort of spokesman for Christians. I couldn't disagree more.

But I would submit that saying "take out" and then apologizing for it isn't a very good comparison to chopping off someone's head.

[isaiasd2003]

Does this mean that murderer and kidnappers are fine as long as they are Americans?
as long as their U.S. special forces military soldiers, or army soldiers, I guess the answer is yes lmfao :D

How about we put the Iraq's fanatics and Robertson in the same mental hospital, so each one can have his own private line to God and plan on how should kill or kidnap the other one? :D
I'm laughing my a$$ off! :D literally! lol

[palespyder]

But Robertson did apologize for his comments today.

Sounds like someone got a personal call from his Uncle Sam :)

[TommyD]

Sounds like someone got a personal call from his Uncle Sam :)


I would guess he's highly embarished that a person in his position could be confused as saying kill people.

Besides now when he says he wants Chinese Take Out, he doesn't anger a billion people. ;)

later,

tom

[isaiasd2003]

I would guess he's highly embarished that a person in his position could be confused as saying kill people.

Besides now when he says he wants Chinese Take Out, he doesn't anger a billion people. ;)

later,

tom
LMFAO!! ROLF!:D yum chinese take out:D

[Lever]

"I didn't say assassination," Robertson continued. "I said our special forces should take him out. Take him out can be a number of things including kidnapping."LMAO - I can see it now... Chavez, a grunt from special ops... candles, lobster, fine wine... maybe a dance afterwards and back to "his" place for coffee LOL

[GTech]

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2005/08/robertson_activ.html

Robertson Activates Christian Sleeper Cells

Except for few desperate individuals driven to violence by U.S. imperialism, Islam is a Religion of Peace. Christianity, on the other hand, has been the engine of world suffering for over 2000 years. It was Christianity that nearly eradicated the indigenous peoples of this continent, the survivors condemned to the perpetual humiliation of cartoon stereotypes and offensive sports mascots. It was Bush's Christian cousin, Adolf Hitler, who sent hundreds of homosexuals and midgets to the gas chambers even as great agnostics like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fought against racial injustice. And it is the Christians who constantly subvert our political process by allowing their "moral compass" to determine how they should vote, rather than NARAL or labor union leaders. Now, the man described by the New York Times as "The Unequivocal Voice of Christian Conservativism - Perhaps Even Christianity Itself" has called for the murder of a benevolent Latin American leader. Alas, the heartless evil of the American Taliban has been never been so palpably insidious.


More at the link.

[gworld]

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2005/08/robertson_activ.html


More at the link.

The article doesn't make any sense and who ever is trying to write, I don't know what comedy? parody? serious? is not a very good writer.

Gtech is it you that is writing that nonsense?