McDar Experiment

mcdar

Dec 17th 2004, 6:25 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
783 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Dec 17th 2004, 6:52 am

Note I have added info on today's update regard Google's Current Backlink Update!

The experiment page DROPPED from 3530 Backlinks reported in November's Update to 155 Backlinks reported in this current Update!!!

No Ad Network links appear in current Update.

Very few Sig links reported!
- digitalpoint links dropped from 170 to 14
- SEOChat links dropped from 12 to 9

(more detail in Daily Update - previous post)

Due to the large number of links reported in previous Google Update I could not go into the detail of the many links reported then for anything other than the sig links. I counted those as they were the focus of our current endeavor.

I did note that the vast majority reported previously were mostly from the Ad Network.

Caryl

compar

Dec 17th 2004, 7:44 am

So shall I go ahead and add the links? This would be risking the wrath of Compar would it not!
Compar is never rathful. Just impatient sometimes.

Sorry Guys but I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a couple of days. If you ever think my opinion is really important you should PM me.

I guess there is nothing wrong with this experiment at this time. The only thing I wonder about is when, or if, we will ever be able to rationalize the impact of the removal of all the signature links that Foxy and I did. For several days I seemed to be the only one who was sure that the drop in SERP placement had not been precipitated by thier removal.

mcdar

Dec 17th 2004, 8:08 am

compar

Dec 17th 2004, 10:44 am

Hi Bob,

The best I have been able to determine, is that BOTH the sig links AND the Ad Network links were removed around the same time.

NEITHER the sig links nor the Network links are showing up in this latest Google Backlink Update!

The position Drop from #4 to #10 SEEMS to be the appropriate drop for the loss of the Network Links.

SO - Did the loss of the sig links have no effect at all OR was the effect of their loss masked by the background increase in our Contributor's links????

What is your take on this????

Caryl
I don't fucking know! :) Too many variables.

When this latest 100 domain/one IP test is over Foxy and I could put them all back again and see what difference it makes.

BTW it just occurred to me that this is one of the few forums without a filter that catches the "F" word. Has anybody done a search on "forum +fuck" to see where we rank?

I just tried it. And this forum doesn't show up anywhere. There are a ton of web sites with the "F" word in the title. As a matter of fact Google returns over 5,000,000 pages for the search.

Oh, and did I mention Merry Christmas.

I think I must have been infected with the Anthonycea virus when I read this posting. Oh well, it had to happen sooner or later. :D

mcdar

Dec 18th 2004, 5:27 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
783 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Dec 19th 2004, 9:48 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
783 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Dec 19th 2004, 10:00 am

Just to point this out...

Today the experiment page was in position #22 on 5 datacenters and was in position #4 for allinanchor on 4 datacenters.

I have noticed a discussion titled Shakin' Em Up... (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=6445&page=6&pp=10) in the Google section of this forum where folks are talking about big changes to their site's positions.

Hold onto your hats!!!

dazzlindonna

Dec 19th 2004, 11:10 am

compar

Dec 19th 2004, 12:28 pm

Yes, mcdar, the last few days have played havoc with many people's long-held rankings. Actually, if the experiment page does lose a lot of rankings, it might be the perfect way for people to possibly figure out the new algo, since it is such a tightly-controlled page.
Indeed they have. I have a site that has ranked in the top ten for 4 or 5 search terms for months now. With this last update every SERP placement was dropped somewhere between 20 and 40 places. And I haven't done anything to the site recently except to continue to build backlinks.

So what the hell did Google just do? My reported backlinks didn't drop and my PR is still 6. If anyone can figure this one out they are really a genius.

Patient

Dec 20th 2004, 2:19 am

Yes, mcdar, the last few days have played havoc with many people's long-held rankings. Actually, if the experiment page does lose a lot of rankings, it might be the perfect way for people to possibly figure out the new algo, since it is such a tightly-controlled page.

I have a number of sites and their recent behaviour in google ranges from superb to dropped from rankings to dropped from index altogether.

Some run coop ads, some don't. Some benefit from coop ads, some don't. So far there is no correlation to why they rank (or not!) the way they do.

IMO its way too early to even think about trying to reach any conclusions.

PS Of the 116 links I have donated to the project 11 are now indexed. Whether we will still be able to determine the effect of these links during the current madness is another matter altogether.

mcdar

Dec 20th 2004, 2:55 pm

I've been pulling my hair out with new servers and FINALLY getting the Tools back up and running (they are currently up NOW) - we'll see how long they last his time...

BUT, I have noticed that the experiment page has been bouncing around on some datacenters as high as 23 and occasionally beyond that but I did not think to keep searching till I found where it was being reported.

Usually, if I refreshed the search, it would show up again.

What the F@#K are they doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caryl

mcdar

Dec 21st 2004, 6:26 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Dec 21st 2004, 7:01 am

A few Notes:

Today I added "Patients" link additions to the daily report -
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Patient is now reporting updates of these links to me daily.

ALSO:

Going over the Complete Report it is easy to see that Google was fairly "STABLE" from October 21st until December 18th. (as far as the Experiment page was concerned anyway!)

On December 19th I started to see larger discrepancies between the datacenters.

Today 6 Datacenters reported the page at #9 and 3 Datacenters reported the page at #22.

What I found notable was that in at least one case (I did not track all of them) -

The initial return from the search in Google (datacenter 64.233.161.99) the Experiment Page WAS NOWHERE i.e. MISSING in the 790 results Google returned!

Upon refresh - the page appeared at position #22.

Clearly - Google is having some kind of problem at this time on at least a few datacenters.

Patient

Dec 21st 2004, 7:11 am

Clearly - Google is having some kind of problem at this time on at least a few datacenters.

Although no company is perfect and mistakes are made I am of the opinion that for 99% of the time G shows us results from a fully working SE.

However, I doubt that even G can fully predict the impact of even minor changes across such a large and diverse results set. At present it would appear we are going through major changes - much less predictable.

mcdar

Dec 21st 2004, 8:14 am

Sorry, Patient, I do NOT share your confidence in programming or programmers.

Having worked with software programmers for a number of years and programming some myself, I know there are many things that can cause code to malfunction.

I am nearly bald today due to my recent struggle with most of the McDar Tools malfunctioning which all started when the programs were migrated to new servers with updated operating systems.

The problems ran from oversights in new operating system settings being correct to the old code NOT being completely compatible with the new version of the new operating system.

As far as the programmers went - their favorite mantra seemed to be " All software has bugs - we'll catch it/ fix it in the next update". This was said even when it involved somewhat major malfunctions.

Programmers don't neccessrily USE any of the programs they write.

Caryl

Patient

Dec 21st 2004, 8:31 am

Point taken.

mcdar

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:15 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Dec 22nd 2004, 4:20 am

Google SEEMS to be stabilizing again - no results for page at position #22 and all datacenters are now back to reporting allinanchor at #2.

Anybody else notice datacenters getting back to normal?

Caryl

compar

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:03 am

Google SEEMS
Anybody else notice datacenters getting back to normal?

Caryl
Yes, one of my sites that was hit the hardest had a couple of it's keywords restored to their normal position yesterdday. But other are still wildly out of their original place.

a389951l

Dec 22nd 2004, 5:51 am

Nothing stable for me yet. I really wonder things will get to a point where I can figure out what to do next.

mcdar

Dec 23rd 2004, 2:02 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

nevetS

Dec 23rd 2004, 1:18 pm

earlpearl

Dec 23rd 2004, 1:44 pm

compar

Dec 23rd 2004, 6:23 pm

mcdar

Dec 24th 2004, 7:14 am

I know I'm coming in here late in the game, but why not do the following:

change: http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm to http://www.mcdar.com/sleeping-bags/ or http://www.mcdar.com/sleeping-bags/sleeping-bags.htm

and change the title from "Sleeping Bags - McDar OutDoor Gear" to "Sleeping Bags"

BTW, I show you at #11

Hello nevetS,

Welcome!

Not knowing how much of this "epic thread" you have read, I'll attempt to give you a little background. Please forgive me if I am stating the obvious.

A year and three months ago, the main index page for my website ranked #23 for the search "sleeping bags" - not great, but not bad. On or about November 17th 2003 Google made a sigificant change to their search engine which came to be known as the "FLORIDA Update" or just Florida for short.

When this happened, the positioning of nearly ALL websites were grossly effected. Many sites even ones that had been on page one for ages - disappeared from the results completely or found themselves buried so deep they could not be found!

Needless to say, SEO forums developed huge threads as folks tried to figure out what had happened and what could they do about it.

It was at this point that it was discovered that "On-Page" optimization took a back seat to LINKING. A difficult problem also was that Florida was NOT just one single event or change. It was simply the beginning of what has turned out to be, MANY changes that Google was to undertake.

This Experiment started around the fourth month into these changes and several changes have taken place during the course of this experiment.

When it was determined that Linking was now King, How to Link became the focus. People started to agressively campaign for new links to their sites. This helped but did not help neccessarily for all keywords as the links were generic in nature and mostly just pointed to the main page.

Many sites on the internet Have a combination of topics or products to promote and it became apparent that there was a need to have links to deeper topic or product specific pages in the website, not just the main page. It was discovered that links seemed to be valued differently and that PR and anchortext were playing a significant roll.

It was at this time I developed this tool for myself - the Keyword Analysis Tool (link in my sig below) to help me evaluate my competition easier. I was STUNNED when I saw the results search after search show ALLINANCHOR and the regular results almost identical position for position. So , I decided that maybe my little tool would be of some help to others and I shared it with the public. Bob found it soon after that.

All that being said...

If you use the tool to do a search then pass your mouse over the urls of the sites returned, you will find that quite often, if not most often, the pages you are competing with are NOT main pages in a site. They are pages sometime deep within a site.

In fact, it has been well documented that links with anchortext will bring up pages where the keyword in nowhere to be found on the page or the website. This came to be known as "Google Bombing" and the best know example of this is the seach for "miserable failure" returning the Biography of George W Bush at whitehouse.gov. Obviously, the keywords are NOT found in any form on the page or the site.

So, in short - the page title nor the url were not an oversite on our part. It was just the result of the common knowledge at the beginning of the experiment that anchortext eliminated the need for it.

Not varying the anchortext was intentional as well. In fact, we have been adamant that it all be EXACTLY the same. It was the intent to "prove or disprove" the theory that "Google would penalize for the use of unvaried or un-natural use of anchortext in linking".

Caryl

PS in the Daily Update - the Position reported in red is the predominamt position held. All datacenters are monitored every day and you will see that I report ALL of the positions returned that day in the brackets just after the date.

i.e. - todays [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]

On any given search at www.google.com, Google accesses one of the many datacenters for the results returned.

mcdar

Dec 24th 2004, 7:48 am

As we come to the end of the calendar year I'm interested in seeing if some simple points can be made about the experiment. In line with that it would be helpful to identify significant serps and allinanchor changes over time with changes in backlinks. I believe over the holiday period I may be able to summarize.

The experiment started with a simple question about the relationship within McDar's tool that created a graph showing two points that were of interest (among other columns in the graph) google ranking and allinanchor ranking.

One thing we have seen is that lots of backlinks, with specific anchor text for "sleeping bags" has moved the site up in the rankings in general. (Beyond that IMHO the rest is open to discussion) There have been periods, during which rankings tanked, even as allinanchor ratings have generally stayed high. Different combinations of backlinks have had different effects over time. Diversity of backlinks seemed to have helped the site. The coop inclusion seemed to have helped.

During the period there has not been an ongoing measurement of competitors. That would be dramatically interesting. It would be interesting if other things were tried; ie diluting the anchor text in various ways or other aspects.

Having said all this it is afterall McDar's site and Caryl should look hard at this especially with only several months to go before heavy camping equipment purchasing begins to take off.

Just wondering where all this is going?

Dave

Hello Dave,

I agree, However it is obvious that such summaries MUST also be recorded on a webpage and linked to in the Daily Update as well as the Complete report.

As these are very time consumming to compose and become buried in the thread quickly.

So, anyone wishing to comment on this Experiment or interpret it in any way, I will collect all of your input and add it to the "Summary Report".

Please remember that this experiment has been performed in full public view so that it would be transparent and open to everyone who cared to follow it. I believe it has revealed some things over it's course, that it was not intended for such as the several "tweeks" Google has made over the last 8 mos.

To summarize this 8 months of data will prove to be a difficult task and any and all input and prospective will be welcome.

As well as researching all of the data every day, I have also noted everyday how many "views" the thread was getting. Afterall, if no one was interested, there would be no need to continue..."

This thread gets more than 100 views most days so I know there are a number of folks who follow it daily. It would be interesting to know what people have gotten out of this. This input is valuable as well because sometimes you get so close to something that perspective becomes narrow and even distorted.

Caryl

mcdar

Dec 24th 2004, 7:56 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3290 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

747 - 11/30/2004
742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

Foxy

Dec 24th 2004, 8:36 am

Merry Xmas Caryl and Bob - have a good one will see you in the New Year as although I am on the net I am only on dial-up so I won't be doing a lot - anyhows its been fun working with you guys this year. :)

earlpearl

Dec 24th 2004, 8:50 am

Hello Dave,

I agree, However it is obvious that such summaries MUST also be recorded on a webpage and linked to in the Daily Update as well as the Complete report.

As these are very time consumming to compose and become buried in the thread quickly.

So, anyone wishing to comment on this Experiment or interpret it in any way, I will collect all of your input and add it to the "Summary Report".

Please remember that this experiment has been performed in full public view so that it would be transparent and open to everyone who cared to follow it. I believe it has revealed some things over it's course, that it was not intended for such as the several "tweeks" Google has made over the last 8 mos.

To summarize this 8 months of data will prove to be a difficult task and any and all input and prospective will be welcome.

As well as researching all of the data every day, I have also noted everyday how many "views" the thread was getting. Afterall, if no one was interested, there would be no need to continue..."

This thread gets more than 100 views most days so I know there are a number of folks who follow it daily. It would be interesting to know what people have gotten out of this. This input is valuable as well because sometimes you get so close to something that perspective becomes narrow and even distorted.

Caryl

I'm going to try and give it a shot over the holidays. It would be interesting to get many viewpoints. I'm sure 100 sets of eyes will turn up very interesting comments and interpretations...and that much input from varied sources might point to some trends that any one person could miss.

Merry Christmas.

Dave

mcdar

Dec 24th 2004, 9:19 am

Yes, Dave, That is my hope as well !!!!

Many Thanks to all involved with this experiment. This includes both active participants as well as the daily followers.

Merry Christmas
or
Happy Holidays
to all !

Caryl

compar

Dec 24th 2004, 10:06 pm

Let me echo those sentiments:

Merry Christmas
or
Happy Holidays
to all !

nevetS

Dec 25th 2004, 12:38 am

Merry Christmas Everybody.

McDar - thanks for the review, I appreciate it. I read the beginning of this thread (several pages, who knows how many) a while back, but I had forgotten some, so the review was nice.

The reason for my suggestions, is that a little on page optimization might help out a little bit, given that a consistent #2 allinanchor has been pretty stable for several posts. (I don't really know how long, but I definitely have that impression).

I don't have any evidence to support my suggestions, they are just the type of things that I would do, and I am no SEO expert. I make my money programming and SEO is just an interest of mine that I like to learn about and play with when I have the time or a keyword I start to care about.

I would offer some inbound links, but it seems like you are wanting to stick with what you have for now. Let me know if you would like me to add links - although my big indexed site is already part of the co-op network. I wonder if adding a sixth link - consistently sleeping bags to all of my pages might bring you closer to #1 allinanchor (in addition to my 5 coop links) (its about ~5k indexed pages, but the home page is only pr4)

This is certainly a great experiment, but I'm sure the time will come for you to soon try to climb the rankings to #1. What other suggestions would people have that would help to put this page at the top? Isn't the big sleeping bag season starting in the spring?

mcdar

Dec 26th 2004, 6:51 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/16/2004 [18 DCs #9, 6 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4280 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 12/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #8

compar

Dec 26th 2004, 9:28 am

I have followed the discussion with Grumpy Old Man (GOM) with interest. In fact I asked a couple of specific questions in response to his first suggestions which have never been directly answered or responded to.

Let me make a number of comments.

1. I don't entirely agree with Caryl that no attempts where made to do on page optimization. At the beginning of the thread we specifically talked about using "sleeping bags" as the first term in the title. As an aside I can't believe, as I suggested in my earlier response to GOM, that the inclusion of the McDar name would delute the value of the term "sleeping bags" used in the title.

2. The term "sleeping bags" is use very frequently on the page itself, So while there in no conventional content in the form of several paragraphs of descriptive text, it is not accurate to say that there is no on the page optimization.

3. I just used the keyword analysis tool and the site also ranks at #8 for the term "sleeping bag" --singular. This should not be a huge surprise because Google uses stemming, and will frequently give a site good SERP placement for both the singular and plural versions of a keyword even when only one is used in anchortext.

So the given that the site places #8 for both these search terms does anyone really think it would have done better is we had used both terms in anchor text. Or would we simply have deluted the impact of both terms?

BTW this is where the coorelation between allinanchor: and SERP placement breaks down. The site is top ten for "sleeping bag" and doesn't even exist in the allinanchor: search for that term. So obviously while it may be accurate to say that if you have a high allinanchor: rating you have a good chance of have a high SERP placement, it is incorrect to say that you must have a high allinachor: rating to place well in ther SERPs.

4. Now back to GOM's first suggestion re: changing the URL for the page to either a higher level or to include the keyword more often. I don't think we ever considered this in the original design of the experiment. If the page appears to have stablized somewhere other than at #1 in the future and no other more interesting changes are being considered, then we could try changing the URL to one of GOM's suggestions and see what effect it has.

In the meantime has anybody got any idea why the page seem to be steadily creeping back up in the SERPs. Google still doesn't seem to have noticed the removal of the forum sigs -- Foxy's and mine. I guess we are all satisfied that the coop ads are no longer in place. And in the meantime nothing else has changed. So why is the page climbing again?

mcdar

Dec 26th 2004, 10:44 am

For what it is worth...

The experiment page ranks

#1 for allinurl:sleeping bags
#2 for allintext:sleeping bags
#2 for allintitle:sleeping bags
#2 for allinanchor:sleeping bags

The #1 site returned for the search sleeping bags is ranked nowhere for allinurl:sleeping bags.

Also - Although the experiment page comes up #8 for the search both singular and plural, the top ten sites returned for both searches is NOT the same.

I have other pages on my site that the singular vs plural search produce results where the singular search results in position #7 and the plural of the search results in position #61. (www.mcdar.com keywords: m65 jacket vs m65 jackets) So, while stemming seems to come into play, I believe Google will stem to singular because it is part of the anchortext used but my not stem "up" and add an "s" where none ever existed in the anchortext used. (only a theory).

A quick pass of the mouse over the main urls of the top ten sites returned for the search sleeping bags will reveal the actual page being returned in the results.

You will notice that only one other top ten has sleeping-bag in the page url. Some of the others have sleepingbag BUT Google is unable to recognize that as being the keywords.

The site at position #7 has this page being returned in the results [http:// mountainwarehouse.co.uk/shop/product_list/c_path/69/spd/sleeping-bags.html]

The #10 site's page has this path [http: //www.sportsmansguide.com/browse/browse.asp?c=81 the pages title - "<title>Sportsman's Guide - Sleeping Bags</title>"]

These are both typical urls of dynamic shopping carts.

The page title for the number one site returned is "<Title>Camping Supplies, Accessories, And Gear :</Title>". The keyword does not appear in the title of the page.

So, while others may not think that thought was not given to title and url, quick investigation into these factors seem to suggest that they played very little importance on the outcome of the results.

I agree with Bob, that page title was discussed in this thread early on and the page title was changed within the first week or so to have the keywords appear before McDar... rather than after.

just some quick FYI...

Caryl

compar

Dec 26th 2004, 11:31 am

I have other pages on my site that the singular vs plural search produce results where the singular search results in position #7 and the plural of the search results in position #61. (www.mcdar.com keywords: m65 jacket vs m65 jackets) So, while stemming seems to come into play, I believe Google will stem to singular because it is part of the anchortext used but my not stem "up" and add an "s" where none ever existed in the anchortext used. (only a theory).

Caryl
I don't agree with that "theory" and here is why. I have an Internet Pharmacy heavily optimized for "online pharmacy". Its SERP placement for "online pharmacies" has always been higher than the phrase we have used as anchor text.

So in this case not only have they "stemmed up", they have stemmed to a version that does not simply add an "s" to the singular. And they have apparently given the stemmed version more relevancy than the optimized phrase.

This of course is another example of the fact that you don't have to rank well for allinanchor: to rank well in the SERPs.

mcdar

Dec 27th 2004, 6:06 am

I don't agree with that "theory" and here is why. I have an Internet Pharmacy heavily optimized for "online pharmacy". Its SERP placement for "online pharmacies" has always been higher than the phrase we have used as anchor text.

So in this case not only have they "stemmed up", they have stemmed to a version that does not simply add an "s" to the singular. And they have apparently given the stemmed version more relevancy than the optimized phrase.

This of course is another example of the fact that you don't have to rank well for allinanchor: to rank well in the SERPs.

Bob,

While the concept of stemming in Google has not been fully explored nor is it fully understood just how and when Google applies it, it is apparent that Google does use it.

But I think your last statement is a little misleading.
This of course is another example of the fact that you don't have to rank well for allinanchor: to rank well in the SERPs.

If you use the Keyword Analysis Tool to search for both Online Pharmacy and Online Pharmacies you will find that clearly the more optimized form of the search is for the singular Online Pharmacy.

For Online Pharmacy 7 of the top 10 sites are also in the top ten spots for allinanchor for the same keyword. Only one in the top ten is not in the top 100 for allinanchor for the keyword.

On the other hand the plural form (Online Pharmacies) only 4 of the top ten for that keyword are in the top 100 for allinanchor for the same.

While your site has better placement for the lesser optimized form of the keywords, do you really mean to suggest that it is not really neccessary to target specific keywords with specific anchor text to compete for highly competitve keywords?

Although high allinanchor placement does not ensure high placement in the serps, there continues to be a high correlation between high allinanchor ranking and high regular placement for highly competitve keywords and keyword phrases.

Caryl

mcdar

Dec 27th 2004, 6:15 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
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Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/17/2004 [2 DCs #9, 22 DC #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
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~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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Note:Google API has page at #8

compar

Dec 27th 2004, 8:06 am

If you use the Keyword Analysis Tool to search for both Online Pharmacy and Online Pharmacies you will find that clearly the more optimized form of the search is for the singular Online Pharmacy.

For Online Pharmacy 7 of the top 10 sites are also in the top ten spots for allinanchor for the same keyword. Only one in the top ten is not in the top 100 for allinanchor for the keyword.

On the other hand the plural form (Online Pharmacies) only 4 of the top ten for that keyword are in the top 100 for allinanchor for the same.

While your site has better placement for the lesser optimized form of the keywords, do you really mean to suggest that it is not really neccessary to target specific keywords with specific anchor text to compete for highly competitve keywords?

Although high allinanchor placement does not ensure high placement in the serps, there continues to be a high correlation between high allinanchor ranking and high regular placement for highly competitve keywords and keyword phrases.

Caryl
According to Wordtracker there are:

2967 searches per day on "online pharmacy"
1186 searches per day on "online pharmacies"

So while I agree that the plural is not as competitive as the singular I would still say that it is a reasonably competitive keyword phrase. And obviously you can rank well for it without ranking in the top 100 for allinanchor:.

In fact I don't think it is even necessary to optimize directly for the phrase because Google seems to do that for you via stemming.

The same applies to the suggestion that we should have optimized for both sleeping bag and sleeping bags. We have acheived identical SERP placement for both by only optimizing for the one version. The question in my mind, which I asked earlier, is if we had optimized for both and split our links -- anchor text -- 50/50 between the two phrases would we be better off or worse off. Would the split have diluted the value of both phrases, or would the fact that Google stemmed off both phrases have put us further ahead.

So here is all I'm trying to say. If you have a high allinanchor: ranking the chances are very good that you will place well in the SERPs. However you can also place well in the SERPs and not have a high allinanchor: ranking. So obviously Google's algorithm is not predominantly driven by allinanchor:. I think that many people on this forum, and following this thread, beleive that the two issues are inseparable. I just want to point out that that is not necessarily true.

mcdar

Dec 27th 2004, 10:28 am

this may be somewhat of a comparison...

The main index page to my website shows 103 links according to Google (experiment page now shows 155).

The main index page has a number of links with the anchor text being "Sleeping bags and tents". ALL of the links with that anchor text come from websites with the camping equipment theme.

Search results in Google show the index page at
position #5 for a search on sleeping bags and tents and at
position #373 for the search sleeping bags.

The same index page is
position #4 for allinanchor:sleeping bags and tents and at
position #85 for allinanchor:sleeping bags

This was discussed in post#40 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=4&pp=10) of this thread...
It may be far easier to optimize a new page to place high in the serps than to "change" direction of a current page.

My point being that, the main page of our site has PR6 and 124 Backlinks. HOWEVER, out of the 124 backlinks, a very low percentage of the links contain "Sleeping Bags" in the anchor text. To turn that "theme" around would take a great many new links with the keywords in the anchor.

I have always "assumed" that your main page carried the greatest weight and there fore the the greater chance of breaking into the top ten. BUT maybe not!

If I created a new page and linked to it directly from the main page, it would soon have a PR5 (not bad). If I started out from the beginning with ALL links to this new page containing the anchor text then allinanchor should rank quite high as well. Then all I would need to do is be sure to acquire several backlinks to that new page with > PR4. This should get me much closer to the top.

So, I am off to experiment! ( I will continue my quest with the main page but focus on the new page as well).

I will report in with results.

The title of the main index page for the site is <title>Sleeping Bags Camping Equipment Clothing - McDar Outdoor Gear </title>

The keyword density for sleeping bags on this index page is 7.33%
This main index page has much better "on page" optimization for the keyword than does the experiment page.

So...
The major difference between the main page to my site and the experimental page is that the experimental page has a MUCH greater number of links with sleeping bags in the anchor text.

The question here is, would the experiment page be where it is today IF ALL of the anchor text was sleeping bags and tents? OR would the extra words have diluted it for the sleeping bags search?

Perhaps one way to test would be to add links to the original index page with the anchor text being sleeping bags and tents (to add to the original links) and see if it will climb higher in the search for sleeping bags. Perhaps links from the Ad Network since they seemed to have taken effect quickly.

Input highly requested as eggnog may be clouding my thinking :D these days :eek:

Caryl

earlpearl

Dec 27th 2004, 11:31 am

Its my experience that even as Google has an operator called "allinanchor" wherein we can see the allinanchor results and relate them to serps ranking there is probably a factor in the google algo that could be called "allin stemmed versions of anchor text". We don't have a measure for the stemmed version but it impacts serps ranking according to many webmasters.

In my category I see lots of examples of both singular and plural versions of the main keyword phrase ranking high in serps for either category. My site has #1 allinanchor ranking for kyword1 kyword2 (singular) and ranks 5th for both plural and singular in the serps. I don't have a single backlink that reflects the plural and am currently 72 for allinanchor keyword1 keyword 2(plural) Likewise there are sites that have virtually all backlinks with plural versions and rank high in serps and both allinanchor for singular and plural.

I also see other stemmed versions of the first keyword which could end with -ing or -er and they will rank high in serps and allinanchor for one or both versions.

IMO there is a lot of stemming that is applied in rankings and it can often be seen in one or another version of allinanchor rankings (though not always)

I've actually manually tracked anchor text for some competitors. Even as one site ranks #1 for keyword 1 and #1 for allinanchor for keyword 1, through some premliminary checking of backlinks I don't see keyword 1 in ANY backlink. (I do see a variation on it.) I'm not sure that allinanchor is a precise measure of backlinks with specific keywords. I'd love to see what others experience is in this regard.

Clearly in the case of the experiment, a large number lf backlinks with the specific anchor text propelled the site for anchor text ranking and also propelled the site, though not as much in rankings.

Lastly its my experience and opinion that the length of anchor text in backlinks can somewhat reduce the impact of the anchor text. Its just my opinion but I suspect that in order to rank high for the phrase "sleeping bags" specific anchor text of "sleeping bags" is more effective than "sleeping bags and camping equipment". Now the source of the link may be more effective (themed versus non themed).

While my anchor text is focused on kywrd1 kyword 2 in many cases my backlink anchor text has been my official title; Professional kwrd1 kwrd2 followed by 4 location words - essentially 7 words in the anchor text. I sense my site moved higher and moved more quickly when Instead of the entire title or something close to that I simply focused on backlinks w/ kwrd1 kwrd2.

I would think that a measurement for anchor text impact between "sleeping bags" and "sleeping bags and camping equipment" might only be effectively seen if existing links for "sleeping bags" were replaced by an alternative anchor text. If you simply added new anchor text (diluted) my sense is that it would add to your anchor text "weight" but do so at a "slower rate" (total opinion). If you wanted to take a look at different anchor text I think it would show more if you substituted anchor text rather than add new anchor text.

happy holidays.

Dave

compar

Dec 27th 2004, 11:34 am

The question here is, would the experiment page be where it is today IF ALL of the anchor text was sleeping bags and tents? OR would the extra words have diluted it for the sleeping bags search?

Perhaps one way to test would be to add links to the original index page with the anchor text being sleeping bags and tents (to add to the original links) and see if it will climb higher in the search for sleeping bags. Perhaps links from the Ad Network since they seemed to have taken effect quickly.

Input highly requested as eggnog may be clouding my thinking :D these days :eek:

Caryl
Caryl,

Is this supposed to be a continuation of the stemming/allinanchor: discussion?

I think you have answered the "question" with your own evidence. The position of the page for "sleeping bags" was surely as a result of the dilution of the phrase from being part of a longer phrase.

Based on your own evidence how could you possibly think that adding "and tents" to our present anchor text would help? I can only see it hurting. Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe it is the eggnog.

mcdar

Dec 27th 2004, 12:25 pm

Thanks Bob,

No, I agree with you (and Dave) and think the addition of words to the original keywords in the anchor text would actually dilute the anchor text.

But then I started second guessing myself...

It was the EGGNOG, I believe. Ohhhhh - tis the season!

Maybe by tomorrow I'll be back to clearer thinking :cool:

Caryl

mcdar

Dec 28th 2004, 4:51 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/18/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #12] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on ALL DCs *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
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~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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Note:Google API has page at #7

mcdar

Dec 28th 2004, 5:09 am

to address Bob's question of a 2 days ago...
...
In the meantime has anybody got any idea why the page seem to be steadily creeping back up in the SERPs. Google still doesn't seem to have noticed the removal of the forum sigs -- Foxy's and mine. I guess we are all satisfied that the coop ads are no longer in place. And in the meantime nothing else has changed. So why is the page climbing again?

Indeed, the Co-op Ads came down the same time you and Foxy removed you sig links.

Patient added the link to 116 different urls on Dec 17th all located on the same IP C Block. (217.36.188.*)

The last he checked in, Dec 24th, 48 of the links were showing in Google. (see daily Update).

What is significant about this contribution is that it is a commonly held belief around SEO Forums that links all coming from a single C-Block would NOT be given much weight by Google.

Caryl

compar

Dec 28th 2004, 8:22 am

to address Bob's question of a 2 days ago...

Indeed, the Co-op Ads came down the same time you and Foxy removed you sig links.

Patient added the link to 116 different urls on Dec 17th all located on the same IP C Block. (217.36.188.*)

The last he checked in, Dec 24th, 48 of the links were showing in Google. (see daily Update).

What is significant about this contribution is that it is a commonly held belief around SEO Forums that links all coming from a single C-Block would NOT be given much weight by Google.

Caryl
Ok. Now the analysis becomes complicated. When we were languishing in the 300s we accredited that to principally two things:
a. The Sandbox Effect.
b. All our link where from a very few IP addresses.

So we did two things in rapid succession that seemed to change the SERP placement around radically.
a. We added a lot of new links from a wide diversity of IP addresses.
b. We added a ton of coop network links.

The diversified links seemed to be the most significant change in my view although the coop ads did appear to provide the final push to #2 position.

When the coop ads came off the site dropped back to #10. Now it seems to be slowly regaining ground. The only recent change was the addition of 116 links -- 48 indexed to date -- from a single IP. And Carly you seem ready to credit this with the slow but steady improvement. However, we had a hell of a lot more links than that from a few limited IPs when we were #300 in the SERP. So why didn't they work then?

So here is a new theory. Maybe Google has some threshold of a minimum number of different IP addresses before their algo will give full weight to IBLs. If in fact we satisfied that requirement by adding all the diversified IP links, then possibly the 48 links from a single IP would be given full weight and may be the reason for the current climb in the SERP.

Smyrl

Dec 28th 2004, 8:40 am

mcdar

Dec 28th 2004, 8:45 am

Bob,

The new links added by Patient are not from the same IP addresses. The IP addresses are all different.

HOWEVER all of the IP addresses are from the same C-Block.
example:
site 1: 217.36.188.01
site 2: 217.36.188.02
site 3: 217.36.188.03
site 4: 217.36.188.04
and so on thru to...
site 116: 217.36.188.116

Many SEOs feel that urls that closely associated would be treated more like links all coming from the same IP Address by Google rather than links coming from different IP addresses like they really are.

There are several discussions regarding this at SEO Chat
http://forums.seochat.com/search.php?searchid=158758
or this one in particular...
http://forums.seochat.com/t8240/s.html&highlight=c-block

Caryl

compar

Dec 28th 2004, 9:11 am

Bob,

The new links added by Patient are not from the same IP addresses. The IP addresses are all different.

Caryl
Thanks for the clarification. I have always doubted that Google really looks at the entire C-block. I do a lot of linking and cross linking from a single C-block on my server, to sites we have designed and host, and I have always thought those link were very effective.

For instance -- and this is related to Smryl's post -- I add a link to all new sites we host, to a list on my company page entitled "sites we host". I never submit to SEs. But this link will usually get the new site crawled and indexed within a very few days.

compar

Dec 28th 2004, 9:40 am

mcdar

Dec 28th 2004, 11:08 am

Caryl,

What is your feeling on signature links?

My neighbor and friend has an e-commerce site done by a developer. After over a year her splash entry page has a pagerank of 2 as does her main page of her site. What I suspect is developer built her a site and did not so much as submit to a single search engine. All the pages other than splash page are in php and all titles are osCommerce. Looks to me as if no optimization was done.

I added site to my signature and though it did not rise to great heights was visible using keyword tracker. When I removed link from signature it fell from charts. I added link back to signature and it has reappeared. This makes me believe signature links help.

Shannon

Hi Shannon,

I think your experience certainly weighs in on the side that signature links do contribute to search engine placement!

What seems to be a "new" Google phenomenon is they are not updating their cached files. Oh, they may be adding to them on a daily basis BUT they are most certainly NOT purging them on a timely basis.

As I was snooping around Google pages (http://www.google.com/help/features.html) today I found this statement on their site to be interesting...

Cached Links

Google takes a snapshot of each page examined as it crawls the web and caches these as a back-up in case the original page is unavailable. If you click on the "Cached" link, you will see the web page as it looked when we indexed it. The cached content is the content Google uses to judge whether this page is a relevant match for your query.

When the cached page is displayed, it will have a header at the top which serves as a reminder that this is not necessarily the most recent version of the page. Terms that match your query are highlighted on the cached version to make it easier for you to see why your page is relevant.

The "Cached" link will be missing for sites that have not been indexed, as well as for sites whose owners have requested we not cache their content.

(Bolding is mine)

Now, this may have been there forever, but since Google seems to be changing or having some problems with caching I would say that we should monitor Google carefully with regard to how current our pages in Google are!

Remember that the experimental page started dropping in the serps in late June til it finally was GONE July 31 thru August 20. (see Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm))

It was quite by accident that I discovered that the cache for the page had not been updated since mid June! Once I updated the time stamp on the page, Google updated the cache of the page and we popped back up from nowhere into position #48 then the following day position #22.

We might ride the benefit of Bob's and Foxy's sig links for a good long while or at least until Google purges the cache for those pages from it's index.

Again, this lack of "purging" seems to be "new" because the last time the sig links were dropped Google searches revealed them gone within 14 days. It has now been 42 days since they were removed this last time.

Caryl

compar

Dec 28th 2004, 12:12 pm

Now, this may have been there forever, but since Google seems to be changing or having some problems with caching I would say that we should monitor Google carefully with regard to how current our pages in Google are!
Caryl
I haven't said anything to anybody yet but I also noticed that. I added some new pages to the InfoPool several days ago and Google has not cached them yet. They use to crawl and cache all my InfoPool stuff every 48 to 72 hours. Now it has been 5 or 6 days and no sign of them indexing these new pages.

But I hasten to say Google isn't broken. They are just perfect.

mcdar

Dec 28th 2004, 1:30 pm

...

But I hasten to say Google isn't broken. They are just perfect.

:D :D :D

Yes, indeedy, Bob - Just Perfucked! :rolleyes:

compar

Dec 28th 2004, 3:21 pm

Yes, indeedy, Bob - Just Perfucked! :rolleyes:
Yes I couldn't have said it better myself. I was searching for that description but didn't think of that form of the adjective. Well done! :rolleyes:

mcdar

Dec 29th 2004, 4:49 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/19/2004 [13 DCs #10, 6 DC #11, 5 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/20/2004 [15 DCs #10, 5 DC #11, 4 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 4 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8] *****
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
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~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
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~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
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~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #8

Foxy

Dec 29th 2004, 9:26 am

Hi - I have been off with dial -up connections so I haven't been able to do the update with the links but I have sort of kept in touch with the posts and I think that Bob [once again] is hitting close at the truth.

Consider this:

from the 26 - 29/11 there was an increase in the back links from 420 to 710 ie +290
from the 29 - 10/12 there was an increase in the back links from 710 to 797 ie +87
from the 10 - 20/12 there was an increase in the back links from 797 to 924 ie +227

And now there has been a large upswing in the back links in the last few days covering the period that there has been a significant movement upwards in the SERPs - sods law that I haven't been able to track them daily.

from the 20 - 29/12 there was an increase in the back links from 924 to 1634 ie +710

;)

mcdar

Dec 30th 2004, 8:43 am

We are getting things a bit muddled here...

Ok. Now the analysis becomes complicated. When we were languishing in the 300s we accredited that to principally two things:
a. The Sandbox Effect.
b. All our link where from a very few IP addresses.

On 6/26/2004 the page dropped from #43 to #144
On 7/06/2004 the page dropped from #125 to #172
On 7/18/2004 the page dropped from #169 to #311
On 7/31/2004 the page dropped from #315 to NOT FOUND
On 8/21/2004 the page jumped from NOT FOUND to #48
On 8/22/2004 the page jumped from #48 to #22

In the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm) you will find at least 7 hyperlinks that go to discussions on SEO Forum threads that are focused on Google issues. The link on 8/21/2004 leads to this thread where it was pointed out that the page cache had not been updated by google since early June and that once the cache in Google was updated we quickly came back from nowhere to position #22.

8/22/2004 we were at position #22.

So we did two things in rapid succession that seemed to change the SERP placement around radically.
a. We added a lot of new links from a wide diversity of IP addresses.
b. We added a ton of coop network links.

8/18/2004 Supporters started to add links from different IP Addresses.
9/11/2004 Google Backlink Update showed several of the newly added backlinks to the page.

9/11/2004 we were at position #17
9/18/2004 we were at position #18 (Supporters links were at 192)

The diversified links seemed to be the most significant change in my view although the coop ads did appear to provide the final push to #2 position.

When the coop ads came off the site dropped back to #10.

10/12/2004 we were at position #11 (Supporters links were at 202)
Co-op ads were added 10/12/2004
10/27/2004 we were at position #2

11/16/2004 Bob and Foxy remove sig links PLUS Co-op adds lost around this time
11/16/2004 we were at position #2
12/02/2004 we were at position #5
12/03/2004 we dropped to postion #10 (Supporters links were at 747)

Now it seems to be slowly regaining ground. The only recent change was the addition of 116 links -- 48 indexed to date -- from a single IP. And Carly you seem ready to credit this with the slow but steady improvement. However, we had a hell of a lot more links than that from a few limited IPs when we were #300 in the SERP. So why didn't they work then?

12/17/2004 we were at position #10 (Supporters links were at 838 from 29 different IPs)
12/17/2004 Patient adds links from 116 different IPs (but same C-block)

12/30/2004 we are at position #8
- Supporters - 1634 links from 29 different IPs
- Patient - 107 links from 107 different IPs

...And now there has been a large upswing in the back links in the last few days covering the period that there has been a significant movement upwards in the SERPs ...

PERSPECTIVE:

In last 13 days we climbed 2 positions in Google and added 903 links.

Note: of the 903 new links 663 came from one IP address (Foxy's)

It is of my opinion that Google is NOT given much credit to ANY of the new links in recent days!

- Believe it or not - it has taken me nearly three hours of pouring over the data to compile this post!

Caryl

Foxy

Dec 30th 2004, 8:58 am

That I can well believe - 3 hours!!!

What is significant is that a 2 place movement is 20%

What we do know is that during this period there has been a significant increase in the links from the original group

What we do not know is whether it is the quantity [ie my increase] or the spread from the new 100 [as we have no up to date reports].

However what I am now speculating is this:

Consider the hyperbolic curve with the x-axis as the spread and the y-axis as the quantity and the curve is the "limit" of effect

If there was a huge initial quantity there would be little effect on the Serps
If the spread was small the same would apply
As the spread gets larger so the quantity would be able to come into effect

This would fall into line with that which Bob was talking about

The threshold being the curve. :)

mcdar

Dec 30th 2004, 10:47 am

Foxy,

Label me totally in DENILE! As I am not ready to accept such a complicated concept at this time.

There is evidence in other threads that Google is doing strange things right now and it is my belief that Google is NOT handling or evaluating current records as it should.

This is why I feel that the pages current position is not being appropriately calculated.

Another bit of evidence I have collected this morning (I've been a busy little bee) is something I happen to notice as I was working on the tools this past week or so.

I check the results for this experiment approximately the same time every day, around 7:30 to 8:AM EST. (even though I don't always get around to updating this thread sometimes until later).

I happen to notice on several different occassions (when working on the tools) that the experiment page was coming up in MUCH higher positions on some datacenters i.e. position #19 or #22. I would think to myself, well here we go - we're going to start dropping. BUT, the next AM, the page would be right back to where it was.

As the result of comments in the Shakin’ Em Up (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=74100#post74100) thread on this forum, I decided to chart this today to see what was going on.

Indeed, when I checked back at noon today 5 datacenters had the experiment page at position #20 - up from position #8 at 8:AM. This "flip flopping" has been going on for days now! Occasionally when I would be gathering info from the datacenters in the morning, some datacenters would drop the page entirely and it was not returned AT ALL in the results. If I just did a subsequent search we'd pop back up again.

You can view the updated table here... (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

Google is indeed screwing up!

This is why I am so hesitant to entertain or speculate on our position and links right now.

Caryl

Patient

Dec 30th 2004, 11:09 am

What we do not know is whether it is the quantity [ie my increase] or the spread from the new 100 [as we have no up to date reports].

Sorry, been away for a few days. As of today there are 107 out of 116 domains indexed with the link.

mcdar

Dec 30th 2004, 11:14 am

Hi Patient,

Hope you have had a restful few days!

Your report of 107 out of 116 links was reported in today's Update as well as my previous post.

...
12/30/2004 we are at position #8
- Supporters - 1634 links from 29 different IPs
- Patient - 107 links from 107 different IPs
...

Foxy may have missed it.

Caryl

mcdar

Dec 31st 2004, 3:54 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/21/2004 [7 DCs #9, 10 DC #10, 4 DC #11, 3 DC #22]Note: Allinanchor #4 on 3 DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

Cyclops

Dec 31st 2004, 8:19 am

Any idea how the other pages in the top 10 are doing.....are they moving around much...are they the same ones that were there at the start of this thread.

I think it's pretty relevant to know what or where the opposition are in relation to "our" page.

Cyclops.

mcdar

Dec 31st 2004, 10:13 am

Hi Cyclops,

Welcome!

I don't have a lot of time right now to put this in a neat little table...

But here are some links to "screen shots" and previous stuff

June 1, 2004 (http://www.mcdar.net/keytool6_1.html)

July 20, 2004 (http://www.mcdar.net/keytool7_20.html)

December 31, 2004 (http://www.mcdar.net/keytool12_31.html)

There are probably more but I'll have to look around

Happy New Year Everyone!!!!

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 1st 2005, 8:40 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/22/2004 [9 DCs #9, 13 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 1st 2005, 8:47 am

Google started a PR AND Backlink update this morning!!!!

So far, it looks like the page will go from 154 Backlinks to 264 Backlinks.

Changes can be seen on only two datacenters right now and as I look through them I see 16 of Patient's "new" links showing up.

I'll do an official count of Backlinks once this update starts to spread across datacenters and we are fairly certain it will "stick".

Happy New Year - Everyone!!!!

Caryl

PS - You can check updating datacenters with this tool...

Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datatool.asp)

-> be sure to select the "Check PR/Backlink Update" radio button.

classifieds

Jan 2nd 2005, 5:55 am

Google started a PR AND Backlink update this morning!!!!
. . .
. . .
. . .
PS - You can check updating datacenters with this tool...

Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datatool.asp)

Mcdar,

How accurate is this?

I show my site going from a PR2 to a PR4 on all but two of the servers.
IBLs go from 401 to 893 :D

I hope it's right ;)

-jay

mcdar

Jan 2nd 2005, 6:23 am

Hi Jay, Welcome!!!!

It is not a matter of being accurate. The results ARE Googles!

Google presents it's results on any one of a total of 27 different Datacenters (the total has been as high as 60) right now. The "Datacenters" are found at the 27 IP addresses you see in the Datacenter Quick Check table first column.

To see what I am saying, copy any of the numbers you see (ex. 216.239.53.99) and open a new browser window. Instead of typing in http://www.google.com into the address line, just paste that IP address you just copied and hit enter on your keyboard.

You'll see that a Google window opens up.

All you did when you entered the IP address in the address line was to specify which Google datacenter you would be querying rather than www.google.com command sending you to a random one.

So, you see, the results ARE Google's own and are as "real" as Google gets.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 2nd 2005, 7:30 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/23/2004 [18 DCs #10, 6 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
11 - 12/20/2004
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 2nd 2005, 7:38 am

Results of the current PR / Backlink Update added to the Daily Update today!

...
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
...

Note that the forum sig links are virtually gone from the results!

FOXY's web hosting site now dominates the links displayed to the experiment page.

ALSO note that the page has dropped from a PR6 to a PR5

Caryl

compar

Jan 2nd 2005, 8:18 am

Smyrl

Jan 2nd 2005, 8:34 am

The big question, in my mind, is are all your links being factored into SERPs and just not shown?

Shannon

mcdar

Jan 2nd 2005, 9:12 am

There just doesn't seem to be anyway to understand what Google is doing. As your daily report shows I have the link on 115 pages of my InfoPool. At least 105 are PR4 to PR6. And Google only shows 16 pages as backlinks? Go figure? Perfucked again I say.

Bob,

You have to go back all the way to the June 22 Update to see the last time Google got anywhere close to reporting the actual links you have been contributing!

There was a BIG change in Google at that time as it was the same time that Google "forgot" to update the cache of the experiment page for two months after that.

The experiment page went from position #46 to #144 to #3** to NOWHERE in the results in a matter of 30 some odd days. The page reamined NOWHERE for more than a month... yada - yada- yada.

Looking back, I'd have to say that June 22 Update was the last to give 'Link:www.domain.com' results that actually meant something!!!!

The shit being returned since then has been just that :mad:

PERFUCKED INDEED!!!!

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 2nd 2005, 9:32 am

Hi Shannon,

As far as I am concerned, I don't know why Google is bothering to dedicate the processing resources to such a worthless function anymore!

Certainly, we are well aware that we have well over 2000 links to the experiment page! We have 1700 from the newer supporters that have really been UNDER REPORTED by Google.

If Google does NOT want to display LINKS anymore they should just eliminate the search. But, hey the other search engines offer that lookup so I guess Google decided to leave it in place and just fill it in with GARBAGE.

:confused: Hey - Am I starting to sound a little jaded here... :eek:

One thing I have noted lately, (and maybe this has been common knowledge my old brain has just forgotten) Googles Link: search is VERY case sensitive!!!

Look up link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

then look up link:www.mcdar.com/Camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

or link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-bags.htm

is this old news???

Caryl

Smyrl

Jan 2nd 2005, 9:41 am

Case sensativity is a major issue where I am concerned. May I never make a file name or page name with an uppercase letter again. Thanks for reminder!

Shannon

mcdar

Jan 3rd 2005, 7:15 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/24/2004 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #10, 4 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 4th 2005, 6:21 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/25/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #9]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

Cyclops

Jan 4th 2005, 5:23 pm

I think this thread is toooo long.....takes awhile to load and often I can't get to the last page......today the last post I can access is by Smyrl which I read two days ago.
At the risk of more off topic posts compounding the problem, is anyone else seeing this.

Perhaps it's time to go to.....Part two...A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -- hard to believe.

Cyclops.

compar

Jan 4th 2005, 6:23 pm

I never have that problem. The page loads quickly and I can go to "last page" with almost no noticeable delay?????

nevetS

Jan 5th 2005, 12:15 am

URL's are case sensitive as part of the standard. Might not work that way on a windows host, but if you're using *nix and you enter a mixed case URL, it will give you an error.

I've gotten around this with a mod_rewrite rule when I need to, and domain names of course are not case sensitive.

Maybe you should 302 Sleeping-bags.htm to sleeping-bags.htm.

mcdar

Jan 5th 2005, 6:12 am

Cyclops,

Yesterday I saw some wierd things happening in this forum (other threads). I saw some posts that were here one minute then gone the next - never to return. One of the posts was by Smyrl in another thread.

nevetS,

I have not had one time where the upper/lower case situation was a "problem".

BUT it can be a BIG problem if folks are not aware of this!

Someone linked to a page on my site and used upper case in the link to me. I discovered this while looking through my Backlinks reported by Google.

When I then followed up with a "site:" search, the same page was listed twice!!!!
Once was the real url and the second was with the upper case that was used in the link to that page.

The problem was it seemed to make Google think there was a duplicate where there was none!!!

I hate when folks won't just copy and paste the link as you request it.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 5th 2005, 6:29 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/26/2004 [7 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 17 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

T0PS3O

Jan 5th 2005, 6:44 am

Cyclops,

Yesterday I saw some wierd things happening in this forum (other threads). I saw some posts that were here one minute then gone the next - never to return. One of the posts was by Smyrl in another thread.

I found the same. On one occasion the thread got deleted for Spam I assume but in another one there was no reason. My little tick next to it is still there but my post isn't. I meant to PM Shawn but forgot all about it until you mentioned it here again. Is Foxy a moderator nowadays too?

Cyclops

Jan 5th 2005, 8:26 am

I thought I was going to end up in the funny farm :( , yesterday Smyrl's post #1589 was the last one I could read and when I made my previous post it was above mine as Compar probably saw.....now there are 4 posts between us :confused:
.
There were only 113 pages in this thread yesterday, now we are back to 160.
Another thing I noticed...on every page in a thread the posts started from 1 no matter how long the thread.

Cyclops

rickbender1940

Jan 5th 2005, 8:27 am

Cyclops

Jan 5th 2005, 6:45 pm

Maybe it's a duplicate filter kicking in since all those datacenter updates look so similar...heh

Actually you might be right Rickbender...today we are back to 114 pages and all the datacenter updates appear to be missing.... that would account for the decrease in page numbers.
Note all the pages in the thread start with post #1 again.

Cyclops.

rickbender1940

Jan 5th 2005, 7:05 pm

I happen to notice on several different occassions (when working on the tools) that the experiment page was coming up in MUCH higher positions on some datacenters i.e. position #19 or #22. I would think to myself, well here we go - we're going to start dropping. BUT, the next AM, the page would be right back to where it was.

As the result of comments in the Shakin’ Em Up (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=74100#post74100) thread on this forum, I decided to chart this today to see what was going on.

Indeed, when I checked back at noon today 5 datacenters had the experiment page at position #20 - up from position #8 at 8:AM. This "flip flopping" has been going on for days now! Occasionally when I would be gathering info from the datacenters in the morning, some datacenters would drop the page entirely and it was not returned AT ALL in the results. If I just did a subsequent search we'd pop back up again.

You can view the updated table here... (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

Google is indeed screwing up!
Caryl

During my "addicted to keyword tracker" days July-Oct 2004 I used to check my position several times a day and noticed that there was a very consistent change depending on the time of day. Around 10pm EST the rankings for a keyword used to be around 8-10, and after 3am EST they used to drop down to the second or third page. This happened for months and is still happening to this day.

mcdar

Jan 6th 2005, 5:59 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/27/2004 [22 DCs #8, 2 DCs #9, 2 DCs #10]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

earlpearl

Jan 6th 2005, 12:05 pm

I was hoping to assist with some effort between Christmas and New years at identifying changes in serps and allinanchor while working from the Complete Report (Its massive - 23 pages or more to print out). I can understand how it took Caryl 3 hours several days ago to identify some related impacts and movement in SERPs. Afraid I can't be of assistance though, my work has become too involved - and frankly this experiment is huge. Best of luck, Happy New Year, and glad to see the site moving up in the Serps, whether anyone can figure it out or not!

Dave

mcdar

Jan 7th 2005, 8:21 am

I know what you mean Dave! There certainly a massive amount of data there.

I believe the one major fact that can be derived easily from the 9 months of data is that analyzing Google is like trying to pinpoint the "location" of a moving target!!!!

Google makes an obvious change. The evidence is that a great many sites have been effected. By the time we can figure out just what might have changed and start modifying link strategies to compensate for it - Google has evolved a few steps further.

I use the word "EVOLVED" specifically because that is what our data indicates. Small but nearly constant changes commonly referred to as "tweeks".

These changes have NOT all been to Googles algorithums though. Many have been to what they display as results to searches.

For instance... One updated reported 3530 Backlinks to this page. The next Update droppped the the reported Backlinks to 155.

We know in reality that our Backlinks had remained nearly the same through both these updates. PLUS our position in the serps also remained stable. So it was obvious that what really changed was what Google CHOSE to report as Backlinks and NOT what it was really using to calculate serp placement.

Again I don't think I can stress this enough...
Be cautious when reading theories and reports of "experiments". Most of these do NOT have enough hard evidence to support them. You will recognize this when you read that they made some modification and got this result. (period). There are too many other UNCONTROLABLE factors that MUST be considered. A move in the serps could just as well be CAUSED by others doing something or Google making an adjustment (or having problems) as it can because of the changes you just made.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think any of us, who have been here from the beginning, ever imagined we would be still doing this 9 mos later. We probably thought like most people that we would be able to draw some quick conclusions after a few days/weeks.

...SEO is kinda like being a weatherman. All of your current data indicates that it will be a "Sunny Day" tomorrow - then that damn Butterfly flaps it's wings in China (referrence to Chaos Theory)and changes everything...

ACCORDING to The Chaos Theory, a tiny air disturbance from the flapping of a butterfly's wings in China ultimately can lead to a hurricane in Florida. -

"The butterfly effect is the idea that in a chaotic system, a
very small change to the system applied at a certain point
in time makes the future change in a very dramatic way.
Something as small as a butterfly flapping its wings now
might affect the weather system on a global scale six
months in the future."...

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 7th 2005, 8:25 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #7 allinanchor: #2 -12/28/2004 [8 DCs #5, 13 DCs #7, 4 DCs #8]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs *****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

763 - 12/16/2004
774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

Foxy

Jan 7th 2005, 9:04 am

ACCORDING to The Chaos Theory, a tiny air disturbance from the flapping of a butterfly's wings in China ultimately can lead to a hurricane in Florida. -

"The butterfly effect is the idea that in a chaotic system, a
very small change to the system applied at a certain point
in time makes the future change in a very dramatic way.
Something as small as a butterfly flapping its wings now
might affect the weather system on a global scale six
months in the future."...

Oh what a good one.......

I wonder what happens when pigs fly?

Hehehe

:D

Patient

Jan 8th 2005, 5:33 am

mcdar

Jan 8th 2005, 6:39 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/29/2004 [8 DCs #5, 18 DCs #8]*****
Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #6

mcdar

Jan 8th 2005, 7:24 am

It would appear that the page may have stabilised at #5 - or is this too early to be sure?

To me this experiment feels like its lost its way a bit now (no-ones fault just a result of changes beyond everyones control). Anyone care to expound on what we are now trying to prove and suggest any next steps that we might take?

If it is of any help I can offer weight in the coop network.

Good Morning Patient,

Actually, it is too early to say if page has stabilized. As we have just experienced a Google Update that took 6 days to complete and ususally during an update serps are kinda in a "holding" patern.

In fact, this mornings results show things moving again!

Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]

Note that the experiment page is now Position #6 on 18 Datacenters but #7 on 2 Datacenters and #10 on 6 Datacenters.

Something is going on with Google that seems to cause serps to change throughout the day. I have been doing my best to try and record where the experiment page is at different times during the day - just to gather clues as to what might be happening.

You can view the Data on this table - Data Fluctuations (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

Not sure why you think we have lost our way.

The latest change we have added was your contribution. We are attempting to test to see if 116 links from different urls all residing on the same C-Block would have a significant impact on our placement.

As of yet you have reported that Google has detected 115 of the 116. The last Backlink Update reported 16 of those. Again, the last 6 days of Update has to be treated almost as non-days and since today's results are showing some movement - we still should sit tight.

ALSO - We are still keeping an eye on Bob's and Foxy's sig links as Google is still reporting them. As long as Google still has these pages cached, we have no idea whether they are being included in calculating our placement in the serps.

Yes, this is kind of like watching grass grow but if you really want to learn about Google one really has to be willing to be "Patient" ( :D ).

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 8th 2005, 8:12 am

Quote:
ACCORDING to The Chaos Theory, a tiny air disturbance from the flapping of a butterfly's wings in China ultimately can lead to a hurricane in Florida. -

"The butterfly effect is the idea that in a chaotic system, a
very small change to the system applied at a certain point
in time makes the future change in a very dramatic way.
Something as small as a butterfly flapping its wings now
might affect the weather system on a global scale six
months in the future."...

Oh what a good one.......

I wonder what happens when pigs fly?

Hehehe

:D

Actually, Foxy the Chaos Theory (http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html) is a real recognized Theory!

(Off topic - a real life event that happened in "my neck of the woods" that is an excellent example (http://www.co.genesee.ny.us/frameset.html?/dpt/historian/blizzard.html&1) of how remote events can have even devistating effects half way around the world and months into the future! Read the last paragraph at bottom of page. Keep in mind -Summer here is temperatures from 70's to high 90's F)

I referrenced that theory because any page/site could experience changes due to something happening to site remotely linked.

In our case, we had Nitins Co-op links and had no idea that they were gone!
But just think if those links had elevated the page to a PR7 and then all of the supporters pages that we link to were elevated in PR as a result and then they pass on PR value to other pages they link to etc. -on and on-

Nitin had server problems that brought his sites down for an extended period of time (weeks). He is still working hard to get thing going again.

My point was referring to the Domino effect that such an event could cause and that sites far removed from this would have NO IDEA what had happened to cause changes to their PR or possible ranking.

The rise and fall of Link Farms in the Spring of 2004 had far reaching effects like this.

It is these unknowns that can run "interference" when trying to determine cause and effect while experimenting on Google.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 8th 2005, 8:44 am

I just was looking through other threads in this forum and saw the one regarding "Google Indexing".

In light of today's "slip in the serps - I thought I should check to see what the cached date was on the experiment page.

Today Google is using a cached page dated Nov. 18th, 2004!!!

I have been keeping an eye on the cached date (occasionally) as we had experienced that huge lapse in updating last Summer. When I checked a few days ago, the cached date was "late" December!!!!

So, Google, what the hell are you doing now!!! :eek:

I guess it is just one more thing I will have to keep much closer track of BUT this may explain today's serp results.

Caryl

Foxy

Jan 9th 2005, 1:49 am

Caryl, i do recognise the chaos theory, it is my sense of humour that was talking about the pigs flying - just spreading muck around on an ever increasing scale!

Links and serps - the slip in the position just could be attributed directly to the drop in links on the donator pages.

As the serps seem to lag by 4 days other indicators this would be directly attributable to the drop on the 2nd from 1834 to 1626

So we should expect further drops as the links show a position now of 1508

mcdar

Jan 9th 2005, 8:17 am

Foxy,

I figured you must have been aware of that theory as you are much more adept at math than myself! I just thought some might have taken it as a joke when you mentioned the "pigs flying" thing.

We ARE dropping in the serps BUT something seems to be going on with GOOGLE right now!!!

Today's Update shows we are...
#7 on 6 Datacenters
#8 on 5 Datacenters
#9 on 9 Datacenters
#11 on 6 Datacenters

Here is a table I have been keeping since the first of the year. It shows the experiment's position on different Datacenters at various times of the day.

Starting yesterday and into this AM we have been for quite a ride...
Daily Fluctuations (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

Others in this forum have commented as they have seen the same sort of stuff happening. Two threads were started in an attempt to discuss this and they were moved to the "Website Review (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23)" area of this forum. - in case anyone wants to join in. Unfortunately, they've received little attention or notice there.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 9th 2005, 8:27 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #8 allinanchor: #2 -12/30/2004 [9 DCs #5, 17 DCs #8]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/31/2004 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

774 - 12/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

824 - 12/15/2004
838 - 12/17/2004
924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9

mcdar

Jan 10th 2005, 5:36 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/1/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9

mcdar

Jan 10th 2005, 8:15 am

Hi all,

I have spent the entire weekend performing an extensive link analysis on the links returned to the experimental page by Googles current link: search

I also evaluated the links for the Top Ten sites returned for our keywords on Google.

I have reported for each site in the Top Ten the...

Total number of links returned
Total number of Domains those links originate from
Total number of IP Addreses those Domains originate from

I have included a table with a breakdown of all of the sites Google currently reports pointing to the experimental page as of this last Backlink Update.

This was an attempt to see if there was any indication or pattern apparent in Googles results that would lend any evidence to the types of links Google gave weight to most.

As you will see by the tables I have compiled, Googles link: command search results have been rendered virtually useless!

I had added the Yahoo Linkdomain: search to the Keyword Analysis Tool just to give some idea of the total links reported to competitor's sites. But, as Yahoo does NOT allow a link search to one particular page on a site, we are still left with no way of really knowing just how many links or what kind of links our competitors have that help to place them where they are in the results.

I did find while doing all of this that we have had a misunderstanding with our current test. The new links added by Patient are NOT from 116 different IP Addresses all within the same C-Block. They are 116 different Domains residing on only a few different IP Addresses which are all on the same C-Block.

Link Analysis January 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/LinkAnalysisJanuary2005.html)

As always - Any and all comments welcome!

Caryl

Patient

Jan 10th 2005, 9:10 am

Thanks - must have taken a lot of effort.

So, there appears to be no pattern at the page level for number of links (I am assuming that your analysis did not look at link text!).

It would be interesting to see if there is any pattern to link quantity at the domain level.

PS Still 115 indexed - 1 was down when gbot came by on Xmas eve!

mcdar

Jan 11th 2005, 7:34 am

Hi Patient,

...
So, there appears to be no pattern at the page level for number of links (I am assuming that your analysis did not look at link text!).

On the contrary - there most likely is! Google is just NOT accurately reporting the links to a page! As we can see through this very experiment. Afterall - It is a particular "page" being returned in the serps NOT a website (Domain).

I am not sure what you are referring to when you mentioned "link text". If you are referring to "link text" as it pertains to Anchor Text - the allinanchor rating for the Top Ten pages returned is under the column with the heading *A*

The allinanchor rating remains the only value reported that somewhat groups the Top Ten sites.

Allinanchor ranking found in the Top Ten were...
1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,13,17! (not in that order)
------------------------------------------------------
edited to add: I just ran the Keyword Analysis Tool (link in sig below)for today on this same search and there were some changes in positions and allinanchor rating. The Top Ten remainded the same sites.
The results were are follows: The number after the site is the allinachor rating.
1. sleepingbagsandtents.com 1
2. mountain-equipment.co.uk 5
3. cyber-north.com 8
4. mountainwarehouse.co.uk 6
5. bigagnes.com 7
6. mcdar.com 2
7. tracker-outdoors.com 9
8. snugpak.com 11
9. gorp.away.com 13
10. sportsmansguide.com 12

So today the allinanchor rating just tightend to include
1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,13!
-------------------------------------------------------

It would be interesting to see if there is any pattern to link quantity at the domain level.

The link quantity at the Doamin level is represented by in the column headed "Yahoo". Yahoo ONLY will return a search for linkdomain: (they do not offer a search were you can find links quantity to an individual page.

As you can see in the table, the range of number of links to the Domains listed in the Top Ten range from...

as little as 365 links for one Domain/Site ranked #7 on Google to another Yahoo reports 65,900 links to that Domain/Site ranked #8 on Google.

There certainly is no pattern there!

If I have mis-understood you questions - please clarify.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 11th 2005, 8:21 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4270 - 12/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

764 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #6

Patient

Jan 12th 2005, 1:18 am

If I have mis-understood you questions - please clarify.

Caryl

No misunderstanding - just my ignorance of the significance of *A*.

mcdar

Jan 12th 2005, 5:07 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/2/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #6

mcdar

Jan 13th 2005, 5:17 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/3/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(ALL located @ class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 13th 2005, 6:23 am

Well, we seem to be moving back to the number #5 position!

I had mentioned in a post on Jan 8th (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=162&pp=10) that I noticed that the cache of the page was November 18th. The odd thing about that was that previously the cache page shown was of a "late" December date.

What happened to Googles cache index?

I have been checking this on a regular basis as we also seemed to be slipping in the serps and I did NOT want to see a repeat of last summer.

Interestingly, yesterday the page was still showing a cache page of November 18th.

Today, the cache of the page is Jan 9th, 2005! :eek:

Again, here is the table I have been keeping since 12/31 of the position of the experiment page in the serps, on all Datacenters, at different times during the day.

Daily Fluctuations (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

During this first two weeks of the year there have also been numerous threads both here in this forum as well as at SEO Chat regarding big serp movement. Many reported that "sandboxed" pages/sites popped into great positions then slowly slipped (some leaped) back to oblivion.

Important to note is that during this time, NO NEW (unsandboxed) sites appeared in the Top Ten of our keyword search. The movement of our page was just a "reshuffling" of old familiar "Top Contenders" for the keyword.

It is "Google Events" such as this that make it very difficult to interpret experimental results.

When G decides to do this, we can only go to the sidelines and wait til it is over BEFORE we can resume.

NOTE: That throughout this time the "site:www.*" search on Google has seen little to no change. The cached pages of Bob's and Foxy's long ago deleted sig links have remained virtually unchanged.

As I have been monitoring all of this I read many posts where people where quick to run and make BIG changes to there sites!!!

I hope the information I have presented is evidence enough to show you that it is very important to go SLOWLY when making changes to your site. Check before, during, and after frequently for "Google Events".

Above all BE PATIENT!!

We could have easily mis-interpreted our drop to position #9 in the serps to the drop in links as reported by Foxy on a regular basis. (see Daily Update)

"This last 'ride' was totally on Googles dime" is my evaluation.

Caryl

Nitin M

Jan 13th 2005, 9:55 am

I am finally back ... sort of. Still recovering from lots of stuff and too many projects on my plate ... but I'll try to check in a bit more often and regularly.

Looks like I got an email on November 9th that the coop network site that had the sleeping bags link did not pass validation. You would think within 1-2 weeks of that date the BL's would start to drop and another few weeks later would be totally dropped.

Let me know what you want to do now. I have updated enough of my sites with the new ad network code to where I can spare the ~25k weight I was putting into this.

Someone please PM me if you want me to add back that coop ad network weight....

Thanks!

mcdar

Jan 14th 2005, 5:52 am

Hello Nitin,

Welcome back! - glad to hear you are recovering steadily.

As you could tell from my previous post, Google is just "recovering" from it's latest bender! Things just seem to be settling back in. I would say we should wait on the links just a bit - just to make sure Google is somewhat calm again.

Again, I hope others will weigh in their thoughts on this...

BTW - I am still keeping this record updated Daily Fluctuations (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters12_30.htm)

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 14th 2005, 6:02 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/4/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #17]Note: Allinanchor #2 on 22 DCs, #5 on 4 DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

compar

Jan 14th 2005, 8:18 am

Again, I hope others will weigh in their thoughts on this...

Caryl
If you mean your advice to just be patient and not to start making umpteen changes to your pages or web site, I couldn't agree more. When they are moving the damn target is not the time to be making radical adjustments to your gun sights.

mcdar

Jan 14th 2005, 8:21 am

That's exactly what I was referring to, Bob!

mcdar

Jan 15th 2005, 9:08 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/5/2005 [All Datacenters]Note: Allinanchor #2 on All DCs*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 1/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 16th 2005, 11:22 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/6/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 17th 2005, 6:15 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/7/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 18th 2005, 5:14 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/8/2005 [18 DCs #6, 2 DCs #7, 6 DCs #10]*****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 19th 2005, 7:24 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -1/9/2005 [6 DCs #7, 5 DCs #8, 9 DCs #9, 6 DCs #11]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 20th 2005, 6:38 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/10/2005 [15 DCs #6, 11 DCs #9]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

112 - 11/20/2004
115 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 21st 2005, 7:55 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/11/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #6 allinanchor: #2 -1/12/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

924 - 12/21/2004
1634 - 12/29/2004
1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 21st 2005, 7:58 am

Hi all,

Patient has just notified me that all 116 links can be found on Google

HOWEVER

He moved all urls to a diffferent server - and now all 116 are on same IP + he changed from Coldfusion to Java.

It will be interesting to see if this effect our position at all.

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 23rd 2005, 6:35 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/13/2005 [16 DCs #5, 10 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 24th 2005, 5:56 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/14/2005 [23 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/15/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 12/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 26th 2005, 2:58 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/16/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

mcdar

Jan 27th 2005, 5:47 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/17/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]***** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

mcdar

Jan 27th 2005, 6:12 am

Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 - 1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]***** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs)

I have done a quick check around the forums and can see no evidence of a BIG Google "event" being reported.

I have not heard from Foxy or Patient today so the latest experiment "events" I have are...

Foxy's Daily Supporter's Report:
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005 (most of this was from one of Foxy's sites 775 - 68 links - one IP address)
628 - 1/23/2005

and

Patients recent server move that put all 116 of his links on one IP Address. (they were previously on at least 3 different IP addresses)

Keyword Analysis Tool - Yesterday and Today Comparison (http://www.mcdar.net/KWT2DayCompare.htm)

There seems only to be a little shake up in allinanchor else the Top 10 Sites seem Stable.

It seems like the experiment page is the one that moved NOT others.

The Google cache for the page is January 25th (current).

Also NOTE: mcdar.com was just moved last weekend to a new server which changed the IP address of the site! This really should NOT have had an effect on Google being able to find it though.

Caryl

Patient

Jan 27th 2005, 7:41 am

I should also report that the sites have been redesigned to a new technology (jsp from cfm) and have changed almost all urls - as a result our spider traffic has gone through the roof and we have been having a few problems keeping the site accessible.

Whilst things have been stabilising I expect it to be a few weeks before we are back to fully spidered sites. At this stage I cannot really say how many real links are in place as the old links pages are still indexed but gradually the new duplicate pages are being indexed.

I'm not convinced that G will have responded to IP address changes yet as in the past I have seen it take a lot longer than 10 days to register this.

If, my links are to blame for this drop, then until the dust settles I am more likely to believe that these links have been lost or devalued during our changeover process.

Of course we don't have to guess as time will tell!

mcdar

Jan 27th 2005, 9:26 am

Hi Patient,

In the case of the mcdar.com move - the site was intact on the original server as well as the new server. The DNS change would simply point a visitor one way or another BUT they would still find the site.

So, IP address change alone should not effect Google from finding a site.

HOWEVER, in your case, changing a page from pagename.cfm to pagename.jsp is a whole 'nother story!

As far as Google is concerned they are completely new pages. If the html versions are no longer available on your site, then for all intents and purposes, your site is brand new. Non of the links you had to those pages previously will be valid.

Did you leave up the old version of the pages and just do a redirect?

Patient

Jan 27th 2005, 9:53 am

Hi Caryl

We have a redirect in place but as the original links to the page have all gone I'm not sure the redirect will of great help.

It is a complex situation to work through as each links page is linked to by all pages on each site - and between the sites there are over 2.5 million pages so there will be a long queue of "old" urls in the spider queue - as well as an increasing number of new ones.

What G does in these circumstances is difficult to predict.

What I can say is that, other than a dip when our servers were being fine tuned and couldn't cope with the huge spike in traffic, our traffic has not gone down much - i.e. the rankings for our pages are still good.

As of today, referals from G are roughly 20% to new urls, 80% to old urls. Even though the old urls are redirected (301) we are still able to record referals.

mcdar

Jan 28th 2005, 6:12 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/18/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/19/2005 [21 DCs #5, 5 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]***** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

117 - 1/11/2005
115 - 1/12/2005
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4240 - 12/26/2004
4250 - 12/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

750 - 1/8/2005
Unchanged from previous date
745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #13

Patient

Jan 28th 2005, 6:13 am

Wow - thats a swift turnaround - any ideas why?

mcdar

Jan 28th 2005, 6:31 am

Well it really is NOT a swift turn around - yet! It only reflects a little change in a couple of datacenters.

If you look closer - remember that the position reported is the one represented on the most datacenters - yesterdays numbers were very close to todays.

1/27/05 - [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]
1/28/05 - [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]

That is why I include that info in the report. It helps to see things a little clearer.

Caryl

Patient

Jan 28th 2005, 6:55 am

Help Desk

Jan 28th 2005, 9:18 am

Wow, this thread is still active? Is this the longest, non-garbage, thread here?

Cyclops

Jan 28th 2005, 9:54 pm

Wow, this thread is still active? Is this the longest, non-garbage, thread here?

Here or anywhere else I would imagine :) .

I have been waiting for an excuse to go slightly off topic in this thread for awhile now.
I mentioned that I was having problems viewing this thread......it turns out that these problems only occur when using Firefox, everything is okay when using IE.

Actually it's not just this thread but other threads on Digital Point as well.

Cyclops.

mcdar

Jan 30th 2005, 7:53 am

Hi Guys,

Yes, this is a very long thread indeed!

Cyclops - I use FireFox and I have not encountered any problems viewing this thread or others on this forum. The one big (annoying) difference I see though between FireFox and IE on this forum is that in FireFox there is a banner ad just after the first post listed on any given page I view. Do you have something set to block the banner ad or something?

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 30th 2005, 8:08 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/20/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]***** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google
30 - 12/21/2004
31 - 12/22/2004
40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #12

mcdar

Jan 30th 2005, 8:33 am

I want to point out again...

The site that the experiment page is on was moved to NEW Hositng on January 21, 2005 which required DNS /nameserver change as well as new IP address!

The site was then moved AGAIN on January 27, 2005 to a different server which involved another IP address change!

I would not have predicted that this would effect Googles ability to access the page or cause any problems as far as Google is concerned...

BUT.. :confused:

Anybody have expertise in this area?

Caryl

mcdar

Jan 31st 2005, 6:14 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/21/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]***** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #12

mcdar

Jan 31st 2005, 9:01 am

BTW... in case you didn't catch it in the other thread.

I have added 6 New/Additional Datacenters to the Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datatool.asp) tool today. :p

I just found these Datacenters on Sunday morning. I don't know if they were previously known about by others or if this is a "NEW" discovery BUT you can view them now on the tool listed above.

I will be working now to add them to the Google Datacenter Watch Tool next.

Edited to add: The Google Datacenter Watch Tool ( http://www.mcdar.net/dance/index.php) has now been updated to include the "New"/additional Datacenters.

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 1st 2005, 9:46 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/22/2005 [22 DCs #5, 4 DCs #6]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on 23 DCs, #5 on 10 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 1/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #13

mcdar

Feb 2nd 2005, 9:47 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/23/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]** (Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

113 - 1/19/2005
110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4280 - 1/14/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #13

Patient

Feb 2nd 2005, 9:57 am

Two datacenters #151!

What do you make of that?

mcdar

Feb 2nd 2005, 10:08 am

Two datacenters #151!

What do you make of that?

:confused: I don't know, but whatever you do - don't ever imply that there is anything wrong with Google...

Google is just PERFUCKED!!! ;)

Look at this search from yesterday, for another keyword

Datacenter Quick Check results 2/1/2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/CEQuickCheck2_1_05.htm)

Caryl

compar

Feb 2nd 2005, 11:37 am

Another question about Perfucked Google is the number of pages they report from my InfoPool. In reality the number is constantly growing. They have reported as high as 115, but now they are down to 91????????

mcdar

Feb 2nd 2005, 11:50 am

I just checked and we are now in Position #151 on 4 Datacenters!!!

216.239.53.99
66.102.7.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.147

Position #15 and #18 on all the rest.

What the....

I know Bob,
- and look at those signature link numbers :confused:

mcdar

Feb 3rd 2005, 5:21 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/24/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs) [/B]
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs) [/B]
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs) [/B]
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145, ]** (Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #137

mcdar

Feb 3rd 2005, 6:02 am

Well, what can I say...

The bright side is that the page is not at position #151 on anydatacenters today :cool:

I just checked on the cache of the page on one of the datacenters where we were at #144 and a datacenter where we were on position #16 to see if there was any difference - there was NOT.

The cached page being returned by Google has a date of Jan 25, 2005.

BUT! - This was in the middle of the switch over of nameservers and IP address changes.

Ordinarily, this really should make no difference, but since this involved a shopping cart and database, I had made a change to the links from the sleeping bags on the page to point to the new IP address and not just www.mcdar.com. This kept people on the one database.
example:
http://70.84.24.227/camping1/images/26-003.jpg
instead of
http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/images/26-003.jpg

At a certain point the first link died as the IP is no longer valid.

Long story short, most of the links on that cached version of the page are NOW DEAD LINKS.

Of course all the links were changed back as soon as the change over was complete, but it was just very unfortunate that Google caught this page in the transition.

In an attempt to get Google to update the cache of the page, I updated the metatag I use to keep track of changes...
<meta name="Date" content="2/3/05">, saved, and uploaded to the server.

I will keep track of this to see if this change will help bring us "out of the ozone".

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 3rd 2005, 3:48 pm

Boy I wish I had been active recently. That is a wierd and scary drop. Personnally I hope that change is more a reflection of the server change and not google wide changes otherwise its welcome back Florida.

I thought of this thread and the keyword difficulty tool developed by Randfish recently. It frames keyword difficulty on a number of different measures for the top ten for a keyword phrase http://www.socengine.com/seo/tools/keyword-difficulty-results.php

If and when the site returns to a top 10 position it would be interesting to look at the site vis a vis other competitors in the context of this long term experiment that has focused on anchor text.

Dave

compar

Feb 3rd 2005, 7:58 pm

110 - 1/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005

I guess all I had to do was bitch on this thread and everything gets fixed. Wow! think of the power :D

mcdar

Feb 4th 2005, 11:03 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/25/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -1/26/2005 [All Datacenters]*****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs)
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]** (Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4240 - 1/26/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

745 - 1/10/2005
746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #150

compar

Feb 4th 2005, 11:20 am

OOPs! Perfucked again.

note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005

Now I know Google never makes mistakes, so where do you think those 25 pages went? Maybe I have a hole in my server and they just fell out. I'll have to go look on the floor and see if I can find them. :p

mcdar

Feb 4th 2005, 11:41 am

Well, don't get too fooled by the "drop" from 145 to 100...

Although position #100 was the predominant postion today - it was not by much! PLUS - Today none of the Datacenters had the page in a position below #100.

At least yesterday some of the Datacenters still reported the page at ~19

Today...
8 DCs -#100
2 DCs -#156
3 DCs -#159
6 DCs -#160
5 DCs -#161
1 DCs -#165

Another thing that concerns me is this

Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs

I have started another Table and am recording changes in Datacenters throughout the day. You will see that this page is bouncing...

Datacenter Results February (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 5th 2005, 1:55 pm

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/27/2005 [10 DCs #7, 11 DCs #13, 5 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 5 DCs)
Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs) [/B]
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]** (Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

115 - 1/27/2005
110 - 1/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
98 - 1/30/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
88 - 2/8/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

746 - 1/11/2005
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1626 - 1/2/2005
1515 - 1/5/2005
1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #150

mcdar

Feb 6th 2005, 11:47 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #6 allinanchor: #3 -1/28/2005 [10 DCs #6, 8 DCs #10, 8 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -1/29/2005 [11 DCs #8, 16 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [ 3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]** (Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 153 of 155)
19 for Caryl
16 for Bob
65 for Foxy
28 for Others
14 for Digitalpoint forums
9 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #93

mcdar

Feb 6th 2005, 12:03 pm

These last couple of days it is More telling to look at the Datacenter info then the position reported!

Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005
-[ 3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]**
-(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)

Again I refer you to the table I am keeping

Datacenter Results February (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Also note that we are once again showing up on a couple of Datacenters as position #2 for allinanchor!

Make no mistake - There is a Google Event occurring right now! Appearing #14 on one Datacenter and appearing at the same time #452 on another is NOT due to plus or minus a few links anywhere - it is a Google thing.

We just have to hold tight.

I am seeing what sort of looks like the re-entry of Keyword Prominance into the algo though.

One site buried since late last spring (Position #546 to Not Found) is suddenly appearing at position #13 on 13 different Datacenters.

The particular site I am referring to was built as an affiliate site. It has little merit on it's own. It was optimized primarily for Keyword Prominance in on-page text, title, and url. ( It is #1 for allintitle, allintext, allinurl, and allinanchor - yet it remained not found if searching it title) It has few backlinks. Absolutely nothing has been done to it since last spring!

mcdar

Feb 7th 2005, 6:50 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/30/2005 [7 DCs #9, 20 DCs #12]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on All DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 -1/31/2005 [7 DCs #8, 13 DCs #12, 7 DCs #13]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [ 13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]** (Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #91

mcdar

Feb 7th 2005, 11:31 am

I'm doing my spot check on the Datacenters and as of 2:PM -

10 Datacenters have the experiment page at position #6 :D

On these same Datacenters the allinanchor rating is back at #2 :D

At 8:AM this morning - These very same Datacenters had the page at position #100 and allinanchor #28 :eek:

As you can see from the table I have been keeping, Google is still far too unstable to make anything out of it, but I just had to note this here.

Datacenter Results February (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

I just checked the cache of the page on these Datacenters and it is the same Jan. 25th page with dead links! (I have thought that it was that cached page that may have been a problem- still have to keep a close eye on)

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 7th 2005, 12:58 pm

As many already know, last week I added a feature to the Keyword Analysis Tool (link below in signature) that allowed one to select any Datacenter they wished to Analyze their results on.

And seeing the results I reported above, I thought it would be interesting to run an analysis through 3 different Datacenters to see how the Top Ten Compared.

Here are the results comparing Datacenters 66.102.7.147, 216.239.57.147, and 64.233.171.147.

Datacenter Results Compared 2/07/2005 2:PM EST (http://www.mcdar.net/DCsCompare2_7_05.htm)

Notice both the Position for the experiment page as well as allinanchor

Note that the position for allinanchor changes for some of the other top ten as well.

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 7th 2005, 1:04 pm

Wild changes that the experiment page have had over the last few days...and the tremendous changes in the DC's can't have anything to do with the experiment. They must merely point to wild fluctuations in google. It would be interesting to find out about other sites...if they also had similar fluctuations. Whether Google is perfucked or has periodic deep illnesses it would be interesting to see how widespread this is.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 7th 2005, 1:14 pm

Dave,

I have read threads where folks are reporting seeing these changes. I just don't think there is anyone else out there (crazy like me) with this kind of detailed documentation.

Caryl

Cyclops

Feb 7th 2005, 6:27 pm

I fail to see how sports mans guide can be in the top 10 at all of those datacenters yet Mcdar is in the 90ies. Although with 15000+ links and 52000 pages I suppose they could be on a charge.

Gorp away are overkill on the links and pages though.

The more I learn the less I understand :( :D

Patient

Feb 8th 2005, 1:13 am

Dave,

I have read threads where folks are reporting seeing these changes. I just don't think there is anyone else out there (crazy like me) with this kind of detailed documentation.

Caryl

I agree that you have a lot of detailed historical data. Question is whether any of us can make enough sense of it to be of any help in how we go about the development of our own sites.

mcdar

Feb 8th 2005, 6:34 am

Patient,

The "Historical" data (past year) is only good in that it points out that what is happening currently has NOT happened, to this extent, in the last year. What is happening right now on Google IS truely an EVENT!

The "Historical" data, as a whole, documents many many changes in Google and cannot be analyzed as one piece with one result. Again, it would be like trying to pinpoint the exact location of a moving target. Google has quite simply made too many changes over the past year to make one single analysis.

When we started this experiment, I would never have imagined that Google would be constantly changing. This is why I have inserted hyperlinks in the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm) that link to major threads on different forums discussing the major changes as they occurred!

One of the great resources this experiment offers is extensive before, during, and after documentation. This allows for a much more effective means of at least attemping to analyse what Google is up to now.

I should add more but I have to run to an appointment.

If anyone would really like to discuss some of the results seen in this experiment but hesitates to post here, I do have a little forum I have just put up where a few of us are discussing things in greater detail - esp. this Google event!

You can visit the forum at (you guessed it) forums.mcdar.net. I'd love to hear any of your comments/suggestions/criticisms there.

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 9th 2005, 7:41 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/1/2005 [23 DCs #13, 10 DCs #14]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs)
Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [ 17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]** (Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4250 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #90

mcdar

Feb 10th 2005, 5:24 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #13 allinanchor: #3 -2/2/2005 [22 DCs #13, 9 DCs #14, 2 DCs #151]*****(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs)
Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]*****(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [ 23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]** (Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

91 - 2/2/2005
115 - 2/3/2005
90 - 2/4/2005
88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(Details can be found in Complete Report)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #96

Patient

Feb 10th 2005, 5:31 am

mcdar

Feb 10th 2005, 6:41 am

Right now the difference between Datacenters seems to be equalizing.

However, the one thing I find important to point out is the changes occuring in regard to allinanchor ranking. I started another thread on this forum regerding allinanchor changes entitled ALLINANCHOR What the F... (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=9306&page=1&pp=10)

During a big Google Update/Event we all tend to focus on Backlinks and serps and not even think to check on something like allinanchor position! Those responding to the thread reported similar experiences as we are seeing now with the experiment page.

I think this change in allinanchor is IMPORTANT to point out because it is unpresidented in the history of this experiment!

Even last summer when this page dropped from position #24 on June 6th to #46 June 12, to #144 June 25, to #172 July 6, to #311 July 18, to NOT FOUND July 30, allinanchor REMAINED at position #5 to #7.

On January 26, 2005 this page was sitting at position #5 and allinanchor #2.[solid across all DCs]
Then things started to slowly fall apart...
On January 27, 2005 this page was reported at position #13 and allinanchor #3. [some fluctuation in DCs but not unusual]

It remained at these positions until February 3 when this current "Upadate" Started. BUT allinanchor started changing across datacenters on February 1st.
On February 3rd the position reported dropped to #145 and allinanchor to #7.

Here is a close up on allinanchor across datacenters starting February 1st.

January 31, 2005 - Allinanchor #3 All Datacenters
February 1, 2005 - Allinanchor #3 on 20 DCs, #5 on 7 DCs
February 2, 2005 - Allinanchor #3 on 22 DCs, #5 on 9 DCs, #6 on 2 DCs
February 3, 2005 - Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs
February 4, 2005 - Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs
February 5, 2005 - Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs
February 6, 2005 - Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs
February 7, 2005 - Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs
February 8, 2005 - Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs
February 9, 2005 - Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs
February 10, 2005 - Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs

Recently we were discussing the possiblity of loss of ranking on this page due to it's move to new servers, DNS Change, and IP address changes. Especially as Google cached the page at a window that soon left many dead links on the page. That page was cached on January 25th and remained cached until today.

Today's cache of the page is dated Feb 7th and all links working.

IF that cached page had anything to do with some of what we have witnessed over the past 10 days, one would think that we should see some indication soon.

CALL TO ACTION! - PLEASE check to see if you notice any unusual changes to allinanchor on the pages you are watching and report your findings on the thread I started (link above). PLEASE report there even if you see no change at all.

The only way we can figure out why allinanchor is changing for some is to compare those effected to those who may not have been effected to see what the differences are.

Thank you,
Caryl

mcdar

Feb 11th 2005, 3:45 am

I note the cached snapshot is now 7 Feb but the cache isn't that same page that I see when I browse there.

I note that you can get multiple different pages on the same url - is this new or has that always been the case?

Patient,

Please explain more! There is ONLY ONE PAGE! You should NOT be getting anything else.

The page I saw cached by Google is the correct page.

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 11th 2005, 3:56 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #145 allinanchor: #7 -2/3/2005 [2 DCs #16, 4 DCs #19, 2 DCs #112, 12 DCs #144, 13 DCs #145]*****(Note: Allinanchor #5 on 4 DCs, #7 on 29 DCs)
Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]*****(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)

Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]*****(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)

Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]** (Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #97

mcdar

Feb 11th 2005, 8:01 am

Just a quick update!

As you all know, I have been keeping a table with a record of Datacenter fluctuations regarding this experimental page since this update began.

On February 9th I began recording the allinanchor rankings across the datacenters along with the placement of the page in the regular search.

I have recorded these at different times throughout the day.

Currently, there is a direct correlation between allinanchor and the regular position so as allinanchor continues to plumit so goes the page.

I have kept this updated and have posted links to this page all over ( in different threads - so if you come upon a link it will be updated)

Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcda.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Yesterday's update of Googles cache of the page seems to have had no effect at stopping the pages free-fall deep into the Google abyss! - ...yet...

earlpearl

Feb 11th 2005, 12:48 pm

Take a look at the following thread at Search Engine Watch; http://forums.searchenginewatch.com/showthread.php?t=4009

It discusses Latent Semantics Indexing. Very heavy discussion. Above my head. I got through about 4-5 pages of the thread.

It seems to indicate that combinations of on page optimization with a Variety of anchor text is now important as of this latest update.

Now I'm just guessing, after only a limited review of the thread, that in the case of the experiment page where its increases in Serps and allinanchor are uniquely based on only one anchor text phrase, and coming from pages that primarily have nothing to do with sleeping bags, camping, or any associated topics the site has nose dived with this latest change in googles methods.

Uh oh. Lets all look at this and other issues. The dramatic drop definitely indicates that something very different has occurred. If the experiment page doesn't rebound in short order it may require a different type of effort.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 11th 2005, 2:42 pm

Thanks for the link, Dave.

I prefer to keep it simple and work up from there. Although, it is possible that Google has implemented some highly evolved form of algorithim, one would think it would show some consistancy across the board.

But the hour to hour, Datacenter to Datacenter, wild fluctuations seem to indicate problems rather than a properly functioning, intentional change.

We are currently in Day 9 and I still see 6 Datacenters that have not updated the Backlinks yet.

I do agree that Google has implemented changes to it's algo this time as well but the "heady" explanations don't fit the changes I am seeing to old, mostly abandoned sites, with few links, and primarily optimized with older on-page techniques.

I could eat my hat soon (I keep plenty around for just such occasions) But the simplest answer is usually the correct one.

---------------------------------

Here are the updated results from today's recording of the Datacenters.

I wanted to point these out because I was TOO BOLD in making any such statment regarding Google as Direct Correlation! - Shame on me :rolleyes:

Here is the link to the table Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

The most notible changes were that 12 Datacenters now report allinachor position at #32.

Datacenter 216.239.39.99 showed the most drastic changes so far today

5:30AM: - Position #98, allinanchor #115
10:30 AM - Position #205, allinanchor #299
4:PM - Position #98, allinanchor #32

Sorry, but these results just look like Google garbage and not the result of some elaborite algorithim.

Cyclops

Feb 11th 2005, 8:27 pm

I think by the time that discussion got to today the consensus is that this is not where Google is at presently. Bit hard to follow though...most of it was way over my head although by the time I finished reading the whole thread I realised I had learnt a lot, maybe what I learnt is not relevant though :( .....file it away in my mind for the future :D

I am going to have to go back and have another look though :( .....there was a post towards the end that struck me as being very relevant to what is happening at the present with Google.

Foxy

Feb 11th 2005, 11:58 pm

It seems to indicate that combinations of on page optimization with a Variety of anchor text is now important as of this latest update.

Now I'm just guessing, after only a limited review of the thread, that in the case of the experiment page where its increases in Serps and allinanchor are uniquely based on only one anchor text phrase, and coming from pages that primarily have nothing to do with sleeping bags, camping, or any associated topics the site has nose dived with this latest change in googles methods.

It has actually been in place for some time now

In one other thread I showed how 1 anchor text KWP lifted similar phrases around it to where I have 30 in the first 10

What is needed is the "flow of theme" from external linking to the internal linking using absolutely "correct" KWPs from the anchor text through titles, h1, text etc and on to the other pages where the "theme" follows.

In this latest dance I have seen a site which I have little interest in maintaining as a whole but where I have 2 pages that I wished to promote and so linked externally using 1 term for each page but the content is on the same theme, suddenly come back.

It came back across the board from nowhere to number 1 etc on the terms used but also with associated words eg house and property etc.

This is where it is interesting as I had to do very little to achieve the results of 14 in the first 10 with 8 with movements of +9999 and these were positions that I had on some in the past but now, with others as well.

I'm a happy bunny :)

mcdar

Feb 12th 2005, 7:11 am

It is very evident that on Feb 6 Google implemented something that elevated some sites drastically in the results!

According to the detailed info in my table Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm), Feb. 5th sometime between 10:30AM and 5:PM (EST) was the last time any Backlink Update changes were made to Datacenters. Currently, 6 Datacenters remain not updated. You can on that table that as of my first recording at 8:AM on February 6th, a drastic difference in the results from the previous evenings recordings.

What coincided with this change was a sudden re-appearance of one of my clients sites to it's once held #1 position in Google.

http://www.mcdar.net/loria.jpg

This site had previouly held that #1 position until late last spring when Google made a change that then left it buried beneath huge directories and mega sites.

The change on February 6th, 2005 put this tiny little site, with few, un-related, unthemed links, above the mega sites!

The return of this site could have absolutely NOTHING to do with themed links as the ONLY sites linked to it were a few camping related, one fishing site and a teaching related site. I used the keywords in the anchor text as we have been doing here.

As you can see from these results from the keyword tool, the mega sites remain but now this site is on top.

http://www.mcdar.net/loria2.jpg

This site had remained UNCHANGED and UNTOUCHED since it's "sinking" late last spring. I told my client that the change was on Googles end and that there was simply nothing we could do to compete with the sites that replaced it. Fortunately, they placed all this time at #1 and #2 in the other search engines, so my client decided to trust my judgement.

I have other similar examples.

This is the very reason why I am so adamant that this February 6th change in Googles algorithim saw the return of some form of keyword prominance / on-page factors once again playing a role in the serps.

Edited to add: I just did one more check with our Datacenter Quickcheck Tool (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datatool.asp) and found that of the remaining 6 datacenters yet to reflect Updated Backlink info...

216.239.53.99
66.102.7.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147

These 6 Datacenters where the ONLY ones to still report this site at position #105!

The number of links reported to this site on these un-updated Datacenters is 33. The recent Update reflected on the remaining 27 Datacenters report only 21 backlinks to this site!

mcdar

Feb 12th 2005, 7:47 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #100 allinanchor: #6 -2/4/2005 [8 DCs #100, 2 DCs #156, 3 DCs #159, 6 DCs #160, 5 DCs #161, 1 DCs #165]*****(Note: Allinanchor #6 on 25 DCs, #20 on 8 DCs)
Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]*****(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]*****(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]*****(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]** (Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 2/6/2005(148 lost links from one IP)
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #97

earlpearl

Feb 12th 2005, 5:41 pm

Caryl:

IMHO there are two different types of sites and two different types of competition for high ranking when looking at the Rochester business and the experiment page.

I noted on your forum that for my one site that represents my business its money terms saw a dramatic change after this latest google update.

Call the site yadayada school Georgia, South Carolina, Florida.

For the last 10 months my site has been at #1 for yadayada school Georgia, yadayadaschool Florida, and yadayadaschool Florida regularly for this main term plus for secondary terms like yadayada course, or classes, or jobs Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina. The other yadayada schools in the region were poorly optimized for google methods throughout 2004 and ranked below sites that are comparable to the large directory, phone book, general contractor sites for the regional terms.

Now they are at the top ranks with my own site and in some cases rank above it. All the other sites with some peripheral mention of yadayada school Georgia..or Florida, etc. rank below the 3 Highly relevant sites.

I believe that in some fashion, which is easily seen, in the case of regional businesses google has identified the most logical sites. Its as if they have reviewed every page on the site...seen a direct relationship to yadayada school Georgia and determined that because All of the site is relevant it merits a higher ranking than these mega sites...that might have lots of pages and many times more links...but only mention yadayada school Georgia on say 3 of its 5,000 pages in google.

My site and the other two are more focused on the search word phrase.

Now with this latest update my site climbed for phrases like yadayada school, yadayada, yadayada job, etc.

The two regional competitors are buried for those non-area specific terms and my site was pretty much top twenty for all of them and is now top ten for all of them including a couple of #1's.

Regardless, google is measuring the "regionalness" of my true competitors as more significant than mine for a couple of the yadayada Georgia phrases. I suspect it could be on page optimization but I believe it is more a type of site wide focus which possibly includes a greater percentage of focused links.

I am sure your client's site is dramatically more focused on the search phrase than the competitors in the top ten. I'm suspicious that it is focus rather than on page optimization. It could be measured by determining the number of Titles on the pages that are focused on phrases like or near Electrical Contractor Rochestor NY as a percentage of the total pages on the site versus the number of pages with a title like Electrical Contractor Rochestor versus the total number of pages for the mega sites.

Randfish has created a measurement tool that incorporates this type of analysis for keyword difficulty.

On the other hand the experiment page represents a site that is similarly focused on sleeping bags as are some of the other sites that have been highly ranked. I suspect that a number of those in the top ten are true "sleeping bag" sites.

In this context its drop is not because of focus, but for other reasons. A possible reason could be because the "relevancy factor" of the links was not relevant at all. I imagine most of the pages that link to the experiment page with "sleeping bags" as anchor text have absolutely nothing to do with camping, sleeping bags, etc.

Roughly the above is my take on what I have read with regard to this latest change.

In some manner, whether it is latent semantics or something else, it could be that Google is doing a better job of finding focus

Dave

Foxy

Feb 13th 2005, 12:54 am

Thanks Dave, you have summed it up pretty well here

Caryl with the greatest respect, and absolutely no criticism, IMHO you are missing the point with the links and theming.

The link must "flow" with all the information available

Look at it like a pyramid where you start at the top as you get into the pyramid the flow and factors change but the whole supports the shape and feel.

So some of those sites that in the past have existed at the top because of on page and internal linking are coming back if they have a relevant linking structure internal and external and have an almost "word perfect" approach to the set up of link, title, h1 and not forgetting the allinurl or text. :)

mcdar

Feb 13th 2005, 5:07 am

Thanks Guys,

So how do you think this applies to the experiment page currently and what do you think should be done?

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 13th 2005, 9:15 am

Just a couple of quick comments off the top of my head to Caryl's last comment.

1. These changes may or may not be related to what Foxy and I have commented upon. Only google knows. We only experiment.

2. Lets see what happens of allinanchor over time. That is afterall why the experiment started - to see if there was a relationship with anchor text, allinanchor, and rankings.

3. On the last update, even as allinanachor climbed, 10 dc's dropped allinanchor into the 400's, lower than it had been on any dc's. I'm curious as to where allinanchor is going in light of an experiment wherein the majority of effort was simply getting lots of anchor text with a single phrase "sleeping bags".

4. On the one hand if the referenced threads and foxy's comments are accurate, (as I understand this) it could suggest that non related link sources won't help the site. If that were the case the experiment would need to change dramatically.

5. Some of the comments I read elsewhere suggested altering or mixing up anchor text.

If there was validity to that comment we could try changing some of the back link text to a variety of other associated phrases, like sleeping bag, camping gear, outdoor equipment, etc. I guess that would also require some on-page changes to accomodate and "flow" with varying anchor text.

Just a couple of quick comments and suggestions. I'm sure there are other excellent ideas that are more to the point.

I'm just beginning to come to grips with these comments and don't really feel I have a great grasp of them yet.

Dave

compar

Feb 13th 2005, 9:39 am

Thanks Guys,

So how do you think this applies to the experiment page currently and what do you think should be done?

Caryl
Nothing yet in my opinion.

I've been reading and monitoring this thread and several others on this last Google move and I'm not sure I see any pattern or consistency in it yet. Most of the people who claim to understand it are doing so on the basis of a very small sample or a single web site at best.

I monitor about a dozen web sites very closely and most of them didn't change at all. Some deserve to be higher, but appear to be permanently stuck in the sandbox. Some ranked well and nothing changed with this update.

But I have two sites with totally different results. Both of these have had fairly extensive SEO applied to them. The first of these is www.yourfriendlypharmacy.com which had several terms ranked in the top ten and others in the top 50. Here is what has happened to this site:

http://www.compar.com/images/yfp.jpg

The difference between this site and the one to follow is that this site has about 300 or 400 reciprocal links out of the 2930 that Google reports. Whereas the www.123securityproducts.com site has 2440 according to Google, and none of these are reciprocating. Here are the results for this site which had previously been absolutely nowhere for about 6 to 9 months:

http://www.compar.com/images/123.jpg

It is interesting to note that Google still hasn't settled down. It dropped one of this site's prime keyword phrase -- security systems -- from 36 to nowhere over night.

However you can see the totally different impact this update has had on these two sites. I did the SEO on both of these and the only real difference in methodology or philosophy was the use of reciprocal links on one of the sites. So explain the difference in Google's handling of these two sites to me in terms of LSI and "flow" and onpage issues and all the other things that are being speculated about.

I don't think anybody know what Google has just done. I certainly don't think I do. My advise is simply to wait a while.

earlpearl

Feb 13th 2005, 11:26 am

As we have already seen there are many ways to look at the changes in google and many ways to interpret all of this. It can't hurt to wait and get more observations and more opinions.

BTW, 3 additional yadayada schools didn't rise to the top. I looked hard at one site. It has 4 yadayada schools in 3 states. It has only one page with a single mention of its address in a competing jurisdiction. Likewise in the state where it has two schools it didn't rise to the top. I haven't checked its bls yet.

It does well for a generic search(non jurisdictional) for a variation on yada yada. Two other yadayada schools also didn't move up for searches with the state. I will have to check them more rigorously.

I'm very interested to hear about other sites and other ideas.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 13th 2005, 11:36 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #99 allinanchor: #8 -2/5/2005 [See here (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm) - too numerous]*****(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 15 DCs, #25 on 12 DCs, #26 on 6 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]** (Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #98

compar

Feb 13th 2005, 12:54 pm

Tell me how this happened overnight???

note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

88 - 2/5/2005
91 - 2/6/2005
87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005

Suddenly Google reports and additonal 39 pages. What has that got to do with LSI and "flow" and yadayadayada keywords? I think you are all dreaming. For every example you can show to prove your point I can show you one that totally disproves the contention.

We may have to wait another several weeks before any pattern or consistency can be seen, if any can ever be seen. For now it would appear that Google is having trouble even counting.

mcdar

Feb 13th 2005, 2:49 pm

Not to mention today's ride on the big G...

6 Datacenters reported these results as the day progressed...
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.37.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.147

at 8:30AM - position #98 allinanchor #117

at 12:30PM - position #98 allinanchor #117

at 3:PM- position #399 allinanchor #325

at 5:30PM- position #102 allinanchor #278

Full Details (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Foxy

Feb 13th 2005, 11:29 pm

mcdar

Feb 14th 2005, 4:04 am

I'm sorry Bob but I can't quite see the connection between Google finding the extra links from you and the propositions for the overall.

On the other hand I can see a direct relationship between total links lost by contributors [as listed above] and the current position, suggesting, that as the page stands now, without any attempt to change the overall, that it is quantity of links that carries the weight in the algo not the spread.

That surprises me!

Foxy,

I find your referrence to "as the page stands now" curious.

Do you realize that just within the last 24 hrs. the page has been recorded in 15 different positions? Ranging from position #78 to position #399!

In the last 24 hours allinanchor has been recorded in 9 different positions! Ranging from position #2 to Position #325!

So, what are you basing that statement on?

Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 14th 2005, 4:37 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #95 allinanchor: #7 -2/6/2005 [3 DCs #88, 20 DCs #95, 6 DCs #97, 4 DCs #98]*****(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #7 on 21 DCs, #15 on 10 DCs)
Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [ DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]** (Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #101

earlpearl

Feb 14th 2005, 9:13 am

Foxy

Feb 14th 2005, 9:55 am

Foxy,

I find your referrence to "as the page stands now" curious.

Do you realize that just within the last 24 hrs. the page has been recorded in 15 different positions? Ranging from position #78 to position #399!

In the last 24 hours allinanchor has been recorded in 9 different positions! Ranging from position #2 to Position #325!

So, what are you basing that statement on?

Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Caryl

I am basing it on the "average" of where it is - obviously it is a lot lower than where it was before whichever figure you read.

mcdar

Feb 14th 2005, 1:31 pm

I'm astonished by how much allinanchor has bounced around over the last few days. I've never seen that before. Is anyone else experiencing those kinds of changes with this latest google dance? Even as the site went up and down in the past I don't recall allinanchor varying much at all.

Dave

I am basing it on the "average" of where it is - obviously it is a lot lower than where it was before whichever figure you read.

I am curious what comments you guys have on the results I have been keeping in this table...

Datacenter Results February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 14th 2005, 2:02 pm

Its too many numbers for me to digest...plus serps and allinanchor rankings are so varied.
But one thing is clear. The experiment page was doing fine until you discovered the new data centers! Maybe this whole thing is google pointing a warning finger at the McDar tools. :confused:

So far we have had comments about on-page impact, sematics/flow of keywords/links/focus and loss of links as possible reasons for this flux. Any other suggestions? Anyone else with similar results?

Has anyone ever had their allinanchor jump around like this site? That is totally foreign to me.

BTW I asked about allinanchor flux since the G update over at SEO chat just to generate more experiences and opinions.

mcdar

Feb 14th 2005, 2:46 pm

Dave,

In the "Google" area of this forum folks are commenting on experiencing the same thing happening to their pages.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=100924#post100924

This latest Google Update is NOT OVER!!!!!

We cannot just glance at the Daily Report and assume anything.

I have done my best at trying to record frequently the changes still going on and putting links everywhere to keep people updated!

There is a link on the DAILY UPDATE every day so anyone can look at the daily record since it's beginning! [ Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm) ] It would be easy enough to click on the link and scan down through to see that this bouncing around on allinanchor is unpresidented in the history of this page.

Just because there is a lot of data in the table is no reason to dismiss it entirely. If folks can't digest it all then at least recognize the fact that obviously things are too unstable now to analyse or criticize ANYTHING.

It is so damned frustrating to spend the amount of time I have spent to document this experiment and then have folks not fully consider the facts here before they toss in wild speculations and theories.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate contributions, But PLEASE consider ALL of the recent data first please.

...with all due respect of course...

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 14th 2005, 3:29 pm

I just meant with so much data and so many changes I personally couldn't make sense of any of it at this time. The site is in incredible flux. Not only are the serps bouncing around but allinanchor is bouncing around and the dc's are showing all kinds of ranks. In fact I couldn't see or smell any trends. If I recall correctly two days ago there were some allinanchor rankings simultaneously in the 30's and 400's. Today I noticed a couple of dc's with #2 allinanchor rankings along with very high numbers.

As you mentioned earlier, I'm similarly amazed by the change in allinanchor. That hasn't happened over the term of the experiment. In the above thread only Jane referenced the additional changes in allinanchor for her site. I think that is very telling (although I don't have any idea what it means) if only because it hasn't happened all year long.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 6:44 am

Hello Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to look at the data and offer an accurate statement regarding it.

I started a thread on February 8th asking people if they detected changes in allinanchor and a few replied they did but mostly it got off topic and back to folks talking about their placement in the serps flip-flopping.

Most people do not pay real close attention to allinanchor and not many would check it daily. So, it was almost impossible to get people to focus on this enough to get more details.

I, myself, did not start detailed tracking of it until Feb.9th and would have been totally oblivious to the extreme changes had I only recorded it once a day like I normally would have.

In fact, my normal once daily record of the results would not have revealed what was really going on this last 11 days!

Many times, you can see in that table, the regular position decrease while at the same time, same datacenter, the allinanchor would wildly change in the opposite direction. There seemed to be little connection or relevance between the two.

I have often seen results that made me wonder if Google stored data separate from any datacenter that is used to actually calculate serps and that results for link:, site:, allinanchor: and such were just done on the fly from cached pages in existing datacenters.

This might also explain phenomenon such as the sandbox. If, for whatever reason, your site/or page was not represented in this separate place, you would not be considered for placement even though all of your individual results would/should qualify you for a high ranking. It's like, you are there but Google just forgot about you.
But... I digress...

ANYWAY -

Sometime yesterday (feb 14) between 6:30PM and 11:PM Google finally UPDATED the remaining 6 Datacenters with the new Backlink data. So it only took them 11 days to complete the Backlink Update.

I am still recording changes and differences across the Datacenters although they are not right now as radical as have previosuly been recorded. We'll see how long now before things start to settle down and even out.

The fat lady has NOT started singing yet!

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 6:55 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #94 allinanchor: #7 -2/7/2005 [13 DCs #94, 2 DCs #97, 6 DCs #99, 12 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #7 on 17 DCs, #28 on 16 DCs)
Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]** (Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

742 - 1/16/2005
744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #102

earlpearl

Feb 15th 2005, 7:44 am

At this time I'm astonished by the changes in allinanchor since 2/2/05. That is something that hasn't occurred over the length of this experiment. Allinanchor has been significantly stabile for 10 months.

4/08/04 - 4/20/04 Start of experiment allinanchor ranged from n/a to the 30's to about 15

4/20 - 8/02/04 allinanchor at 7 or lower

8/3 - 8/20/04 allinanchor at 8-10

8/24 - 1/26/05 allinanchor at 2

1/27-2/2/05 allinanchor at 3

2/3 and beyond. Allinanchor has a case of Mexican jumping beans!!

For the time being the page seems to be stabilizing at around positions 98-100 and reported allinanchor seems to be floating to around 30.

Both rankings are DRAMATICALLY different than what had occurred to date.

I've personnally been a big believer and practitioner of targeted anchor text to boost allinanchor and then boost rankings. Unlike the experiment my business site has varied allinanchor text for a couple of different keyword phrases.

I guess we will shortly need to try and interpret all of this.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 8:07 am

Dave,

One piece of significant and historic piece of data we have in the Complete Report is that, once Google gets their shit together, the site can drop back into overnight!

Case in point - look at the results in the Complete Report for the dates

08/20/2004
08/21/2004
08/22/2004

This experiment page had been totally missing from the search results for the previous 20 days!

But as you have pointed out, notice even then allinanchor was hardly effected during that period of time.

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 8:37 am

I just re-checked and now I see 11 Datacenters are reporting pre-update Backlinks.

Google seems to have reversed or rolled back the Backlink Update to the following Datacenters:

216.239.53.99
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.99
66.102.7.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105

This thing is far from over...

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 9:23 am

...

Many times, you can see in that table, the regular position decrease while at the same time, same datacenter, the allinanchor would wildly change in the opposite direction. There seemed to be little connection or relevance between the two.

I have often seen results that made me wonder if Google stored data separate from any datacenter that is used to actually calculate serps and that results for link:, site:, allinanchor: and such were just done on the fly from cached pages in existing datacenters.

This might also explain phenomenon such as the sandbox. If, for whatever reason, your site/or page was not represented in this separate place, you would not be considered for placement even though all of your individual results would/should qualify you for a high ranking. It's like, you are there but Google just forgot about you.
But... I digress...

Caryl

Case in point...

On Datacenter 216.239.37.105

The 8:AM result was position #98 and allinanchor #245.
The 12:PM result is position #102 and allinanchor #29.

That just makes no sense at all!!! :rolleyes:

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 15th 2005, 2:40 pm

At 5:PM I "caught" 4 Datacenters reporting the page at position #7 :D

This is the first time it has been reported that low for the whole month of February.

But as we know - these results are changing very rapidly. No telling if we will actually be headed there, but maybe there is hope! :)

Caryl

PS - allinanchor position for those 4 were all #28 :confused:

There is a "fresh date" of Feb 14 in the search results and the cached page has today's date (Feb 15th) !!!

compar

Feb 15th 2005, 8:57 pm

I guess we will shortly need to try and interpret all of this.
Dave
Dave,

It has already been analyzed and interpreted on this thread. It's called "prefucked". And that's what Google has been for most of the last year.

mcdar

Feb 16th 2005, 4:54 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]** (Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

87 - 2/7/2005
99 - 2/8/2005
85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

744 - 1/29/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #74

earlpearl

Feb 16th 2005, 10:04 am

It appears that over the last 3 days the rankings are getting closer to one another across dcs. Currently the rankings seem to be closer together than does allinanchor. It also appears that a couple of dcs are stuck on very high allinanchor rankings even as overall allinanchor appears to be moving into the 20's or 30's.

maybe some dcs are NEW Google, some DCs are Old Google, and some could be Perfucked Google.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 16th 2005, 12:32 pm

Hi Dave,

They're ALL PERFUCKED!

Currently, there are 6 Datacenters that have remained, as a group, ALL the same in both regular serp and allinanchor! They also happen to be the Datacenters that are currently displaying the OLD BACKLINK data.

The were Updated for a few short hours (between 12 to 18 hours) with the new Backlink Data then rolled back again. The short Update was rolled back on 2/15.

These Datacenters ALL currently show the page at position #111 and allinanchor at #227. Whatever changes that have occurred (few) have occurred simultaniously on all six. They have all reported the exact same data throughout the entire period.

The Datacenters are:
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147

You can note the "rolled back" Datacenters on the table by the \ after the reported position.

HERE is our PATTERN!!!!

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

The Update and algo changes are being introduced by C-Blocks (at least at this point)!!!

I went through and organized the last two days of data by Google IP address C-Blocks. It still does not explain the "problem" with allinanchor being out of wack but at least the position "swings" are grouped in an organized fashion.

Caryl

Smyrl

Feb 16th 2005, 12:38 pm

HERE is our PATTERN!!!!

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

The Update and algo changes are being introduced by C-Blocks (at least at this point)!!!

Caryl
Neat observation.

Shannon

mcdar

Feb 17th 2005, 5:14 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #95 allinanchor: #8 -2/8/2005 [2 DCs #6, 15 DCs #95, 10 DCs #99, 6 DCs #100]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 19 DCs, #30 on 16 DCs)
Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)

Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)

Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]** (Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4260 - 2/2/2005
4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #71

Patient

Feb 17th 2005, 7:05 am

2 DC's at #6 - looks like we may be on the way back!

earlpearl

Feb 17th 2005, 7:05 am

:confused: My oh my. The page seems to be creeping back up. Now the question is how did the site show for that allinanchor when no dcs showed it at that rank. Over the last 10 days allinanchor matched at least some of the dc's for that day.

BTW I started a thread at seo chat to see who else lost ground on allinanchor and if there is any consistancy to the experiences. So far no defining trends.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 17th 2005, 9:11 am

I know guys, it seems like there is little "like the sun pokes through the clouds" every once in a while.

It gives a little hope here. I have "caught" a few datacenters every now and then reporting allinanchor at position #2 and a few datacenters every now and then reporting our at position #6. (not at the same time mind you).

Case in point: I just did a quick spot check and Datacenters 64.233.183.99 and 64.233.183.104 are both reporting our regular position at #6 while allinanchor is #16 on both.
The last Datacenters to report allinanchor position as #2 were 66.102.11.104 and 66.102.11.99.

BUT, then again, Google has been dancing with itself and has Updated and then very shortly after that Rolled the Update on a few Datacenters. I have been able to "catch them in the act" with my frequent recordings.

As of now, 6 Datacenters stiil HAVE YET TO BE UPDATED! We are now into day 14 of this update with no end in sight.

I have looked in on other threads and many folks have moved on and assumed and are talking like the whole thing is over.

The fat lady has not yet started to sing!

GOOGLE IS HAVING PROBLEMS and I have the documented proof!

If folks choose to swallow other explanations regarding the current status of Googles search after you have seen this evidence... well...

Here, once again, are the links to the (now) two tables I have been updating several times a day.

Google Update February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

(right now the data results from the tools is not organized by C-Block so it is quite difficult to record the results directly that way. I am currently trying to come up with a look up that will order by c-block)

Caryl

compar

Feb 17th 2005, 2:21 pm

Why does everyone insist on trying to make order out of chaos? From my point of view all Caryl's tracking of the data centers proves is that there is not any order or reason. That's why I quoted the number of pages reported from my site. If Google can't even get a simple count like this right on a consistent basis, how can anyone purport to make sense of the greater inconsistencies.

The thing we know about chaos is that there are no patterns. Google may start with "G" but they aren't God. To try and abscribe some overall intelligence or rationale to this current chaos is simply to ignore the obvious in my way of thinking. Google is going through some major internal turmoil. It can't possibly by concious design.

Google is dealing with millions of pages. To suppose that you can divine the master plan from the changes on even 10 or 20 pages, or sites, is ridiculous. In sampling terms the sample is so small as to be insignificant.

The only thing to do is wait and hope that these machinations settle down and some consistent patterns emerge.

mcdar

Feb 17th 2005, 3:55 pm

Absolutely, Bob!!

Humans, by nature, find it almost intolerable to just stand by, powerless to change an unwelcome circumstance in our lives.

"There has got to be something we can do..."

That is what makes us most vulnerable to the first ones coming by who claim to have "the answers". The ones who claim to have the solution. The ones who claim to have the cure.

Hold on tight and use this time to LEARN.

We can apply here what we have learned from this experiment. It's valuable knowledge to know that many times Google IS BROKEN! It's not always your problem.
It is just as likely to be Googles problem!!!

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 18th 2005, 11:17 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #93 allinanchor: #20 -2/9/2005 [17 DCs #93, 6 DCs #99, 10 DCs #174]**(Note: Allinanchor #20 on 17 DCs, #32 on 6 DCs, #219 on 10 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]** (Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

85 - 2/9/2005
83 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #69

earlpearl

Feb 19th 2005, 7:27 am

:confused:

It doesn't hurt to try and come up with answers or suggestions as to what is happening and why it has happened. That seems to be a basic purpose of the forums. Regardless not everything is easy to describe.

Many years ago as a financial analyst for a subsidiary of a larger company I kept putting reports together as to why we were doing better or worse week after week. Couldn't explain it. My bosses couldn't explain it. We started to put the same reasons down for doing better or worse each week.

About 1/2 a year later the people from headquarters swept down and demanded to know what we were doing. We shrugged our shoulders and admitted we couldn't make heads or tails of weekly results. Ultimately they laughed and we agreed to look at things differently.

On the other hand we did come up with some analyses that helped in different areas. Constant effort at many points did come up with some better understanding that ultimately helped the company in a couple of ways.

I'm still astonished at the big dip and upheaval with allinanchor. This experiment started out as an effort to get a grasp of allinanchor and rankings.

With all the changes in google over the year the experiment page never had its allinanchor juggled around as in the past few days. Why? Its not too early to begin to look at that.

Could be a loss of links or a loss of reported links. Could be other reasons. Google could be reevaluating allinanchor or making it undecipherable and not relevant to rankings just as it did with reported backlinks and PR updates earlier.

I'm one of those people that like to come to quick decisions. Frankly, with having not seen better reasons been thrown around during the last 2 weeks I'm still of the opinion that this latest set of changes has something to do with focus of keywords, on-page optimization and focus of backlinks.

If only because few IF ANY bls came from pages with no relevance to sleeping bags that could be a reason for the experiment page to have dropped and it could be a reason for devaluing the anchor text.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 19th 2005, 1:53 pm

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #98 allinanchor: #116 -2/10/2005 [23 DCs #98, 4 DCs #202, 6 DCs #206]**(Note: Allinanchor #116 on 23 DCs, #259 on 6 DCs, #260 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]** (Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

61 - 2/12/2005
100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4300 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

756 - 2/5/2005
Unchanged from previous date
758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #72

mcdar

Feb 19th 2005, 4:22 pm

:confused:

...With all the changes in google over the year the experiment page never had its allinanchor juggled around as in the past few days. Why? Its not too early to begin to look at that.

Could be a loss of links or a loss of reported links. Could be other reasons. Google could be reevaluating allinanchor or making it undecipherable and not relevant to rankings just as it did with reported backlinks and PR updates earlier.

I'm one of those people that like to come to quick decisions. Frankly, with having not seen better reasons been thrown around during the last 2 weeks I'm still of the opinion that this latest set of changes has something to do with focus of keywords, on-page optimization and focus of backlinks.

...
Dave

Dave,

I am really starting to believe that you are actually eager for this experiment to "land" in a much worst position post Feb 3rd than pre Feb 3rd just so there will be some support for the theming theory.

Because up until then the experiment page seemed to fly in the face of that theory.

Your statement (I put in italics above) puzzles me :confused:

Did we not and aren't we still seeing dramtic and erratic changes in Google?

Look at this evenings results -

Google Update February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

Why is it so unacceptable to consider that the rediculous results that we are STILL seeing are Googles problems and NOT ours?

This evenings 5:30PM results had the page at...

5 Datacenters - Position #80
9 Datacenters - Position #81
12 Datacenters - Position #82
All those datacenters were reporting allinanchor at #26 or #27

BUT - At that same time...
7 Datacenters were reporting the experiment page at position #49 with allinanchor at position #45

What the hell is up with that?

Am I the only one here that thinks that trying to analysize these kind of results is like trying to psycho analyze a drunken sailor, while he is still drunk!

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 19th 2005, 5:39 pm

Caryl:

I think each recent commentor is focused on different elements of the past 2 plus weeks. By example you have vigorously followed the topsy turvy flip flopping nature of the data centers, Bob has commented upon the loss of links, and I tend to focus on the drop in allinanchor. Even as allinanchor and ranking are dancing like crazy, to date the page's allinanchor never dropped like this, while at times serps ranking did drop.

The allinanchor drop stunned me in part because all this year I have had great success with backlinks with targeted anchor text that have improved my sites ranking for a variety of keyword phrases. I've been a big believer in its effectiveness throughout 2004. I've recently noted some changes in serps for various sites and keywords that suggest that volume linking may not be as effective as during 2004. So I'm focused on it.

Who knows why the rankings have changed dramatically besides the engineers inside google. Maybe they don't know. Anyways I'm just focused on the allinanchor part of the story. I follow this vigorously since it is a one-of-kind public experiment that is extraordinarily revealing.

Actually I'd rather see this site zoom to the top. As I mentioned (I think in a PM) I was an avid camper and with all the help you have given everyone with your tools I'd rather the site fly to the top. I also love to get to a quick answer...even if there are no answers at this time.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 19th 2005, 6:21 pm

Dave,

Allinanchor has me perplexed as well. Afterall, it has been unpresidented (at least in all of the results that I have recorded) in the history of this experiment. This is the very reason I started to document the allinanchor results along with the pages position in the table/s I have been keeping.

As I have stated previously, most people do NOT keep track of allinachor ratings all that diligently, so there is very little input on the subject. This makes it extremely difficult to discuss or evaluate.

I was speaking with someone yesterday and one thing lead to another and come to find out, he too experienced problems last July/August with Google messing up with caching the pages of his site!

Until now, I had ONLY the documentation of the results I was keeping here and had discovered it had something to do with the cache of our page being old BUT I had not seen ANY forum discussion regarding this issue so assumed it was just the experiment page getting passed over for some reason.

I had noted that once the cache was updated our previous position was restored.

After talking with him yesterday, it became apparrent that we were NOT ALONE. Google indeed had some kind of problem and "lost" lots of cached pages.

BUT - how many people do you know really checked into or keep track of Googles cache of their page. I will say that you here more in the last six months than you ever did before - but that is not saying much.

Here is a link he gave me to where he actually documented his interaction with Google during that frustrating period.

http://gototom.com/google_information_help_google_com_11-1-04.htm

This just shows that many times we "suffer in silence" and often come to believe that ours is an isolated incidence when indeed there are un-detected problems going on behind the scenes. There is just ho "din of the crowds" to call everyones attention to a problem.

What I am trying to say is, we may never really know why the allinanchor is doing what it is doing here as there are not enough people who pay close enough attention to it on a regular basis. "There are not enough crayons to draw a picture" - so to speak.

BUT - If I were a bettin' person, this is once again, some sort of a cache "thing".

Caryl

Infiniterb

Feb 20th 2005, 1:19 am

I don't really think it's theming. I think it's more along the lines of a backlink update gone horribly wrong (or perhaps an entire sweep of backlinks being redone from the ground up).

The reason I say this is because backlinks are what primarily determines allinanchor. Without them, allinanchor doesn't exist. In our case, our backlinks are fluxuating wildly, and in turn so are the position results. I really wish google wasn't so stingy with their backlink info. It's as if they hide it to protect something they don't wish us to see. MSN shows it. Yahoo shows it.

I do believe, however, that theming will ultimately takes its own course in the future. That's, in my opinion, the true definition by which sites should be ranked. Just stuffing links to a particular page shouldn't impact SERPs as much as it does, but that's the current way it works, so that's how we work to get our pages where we want them. Theming would benefit all users and SEOs alike.

mcdar

Feb 20th 2005, 8:52 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #98 allinanchor: #115 -2/11/2005 [4 DCs #79, 19 DCs #98, 10 DCs #205]**(Note: Allinanchor #106 on 4 DCs, #115 on 19 DCs, #299 on 4 DCs, #302 on 6 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
Postion #82 allinanchor: #17 -2/20/2005 [9 DCs #49, 3 DCs #80, 14 DC #82, 7 DCs #83]** (Note: Allinanchor #17 on 25 DCs, #45 on 8 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
111 - 2/20/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/20/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
749 - 2/20/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #76

earlpearl

Feb 20th 2005, 2:53 pm

compar

Feb 20th 2005, 3:16 pm

Caryl:

Frankly I've never looked at google's most recent cache or checked for reported bls, especially since google started to purposefully under report them.

What is there to say. The dance has been going on for over 2 weeks. The site continues to vacillate and some of the data centers, or groups of data centers report widely different numbers for both serps and allinanchor. I certainly don't know what is going on.

As a former fan of Superman comics I firmly believe we are seeing Bizzarro google world from a different dimension.

Dave
Dave,

I think you've finally got it. We don't know what is going on. I'm sure Google doesn't know what is going on. All attempts at explaining it or rationalizing it are in vain. All we can do is wait and see what happens when the chaos clears.

mcdar

Feb 21st 2005, 5:34 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #98 allinanchor: #32 -2/12/2005 [4 DCs #79, 16 DCs #98, 3 DCs #100, 4 DCs #238, 6 DCs #246]**(Note: Allinanchor #32 on 23 DCs, #415 on 6 DCs, #444 on 4 DCs)
Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
Postion #82 allinanchor: #17 -2/20/2005 [9 DCs #49, 3 DCs #80, 14 DC #82, 7 DCs #83]**(Note: Allinanchor #17 on 25 DCs, #45 on 8 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #35 -2/21/2005 [2 DCs #41, 27 DCs #42, 4 DC #43]** (Note: Allinanchor #8 on 16 DCs, #35 on 17 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
111 - 2/20/2005
85 - 2/21/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
749 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #38

mcdar

Feb 21st 2005, 6:03 am

Well, it finally appears that we just may be coming in for a landing!!!

Perhaps, the great February Event 2005 is finally winding down.

The discrepancies between Datacenters is narrowing and although the spread in allinanchor position is wide it too is down to only two different positions being reported.

I would like to note here that given today's results (and certainly all of the data I have collected over the last 20 days) it "seems" that the reported allinanchor may NOT be the actual allinanchor that is being used by Googles algoritim.

There is no correlation between the rise and fall of a position and it's reported allinanchor position. In fact, it has been visible many times in the last 12 days that I have been keeping a record of allinanchor, that the inverse be true. That is to say that, the reported position dropped while the allinanchor position rose!

It is important to point out that today's reported allinanchor position was very misleading because a closer look at the report shows that allinanchor was almost a dead tie between position #8 (16 Datacenters) and position #35 (17 Datacenters).

edited to add: I just checked the allinanchor again across all of the Datacenters and as of 9:17AM EST...

21 Datacenters are now reporting us at position #8 for allinanchor. A quick check on our regular position shows all still between positions #41 and #43. So indeed, allinanchor results (as reported) are moving independent of the regular serps.

So things are still moving in a positive direction.

Caryl

Again, here are the links of the two tables I have been keeping in case anyone wants to see if changes continue throughout the day...

Google Update February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

mcdar

Feb 22nd 2005, 7:46 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #98 allinanchor: #117 -2/13/2005 [2 DCs #78, 3 DCs #79, 12 DCs #98, 4 DCs #99, 2 DCs #100, 6 DCs #192, 4 DCs #399]**(Note: Allinanchor #107 on 4 DCs, #117 on 19 DCs, #324 on 6 DCs, #325 on 4 DCs)
Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
Postion #82 allinanchor: #17 -2/20/2005 [9 DCs #49, 3 DCs #80, 14 DC #82, 7 DCs #83]**(Note: Allinanchor #17 on 25 DCs, #45 on 8 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #35 -2/21/2005 [2 DCs #41, 27 DCs #42, 4 DC #43]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 16 DCs, #35 on 17 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #29 -2/22/2005 [17 DCs #42, 11 DCs #80, 2 DC #81, 11 DC #84]** (Note: Allinanchor #16 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 2/13/2005
57 - 2/14/2005
99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
111 - 2/20/2005
85 - 2/21/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4340 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

758 - 2/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
749 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #79

mcdar

Feb 22nd 2005, 8:08 am

AGAIN Today,

It is what is going on behind the scenes that we need to be aware of.

To glance at the "reported" positions would indicate little change but that is far from accurate!!!

Yesterday:
2/21/2005 [2 DCs #41, 27 DCs #42, 4 DC #43]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 16 DCs, #35 on 17 DCs)

Today:
2/22/2005 [17 DCs #42, 11 DCs #80, 2 DC #81, 11 DC #84]** (Note: Allinanchor #16 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)

Note: If you look at the tables you will see that, against all logic, there appears to be an inverse relationship between the regular position and the allinanchor position! The higher the position, the lower allinanchor position and vise versa.

The second link/Table is the same data as the first only organized by C-Block which makes it MUCH easier to read.

Google Update February 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/datacenters2_3_05.htm)

Feb Update by C-Block (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 22nd 2005, 8:16 am

Patient has contacted me with an UPDATE on his links!

Hi Caryl

We have consolidated a couple of our sites so we now have 114 - your links are now indexed at the new addresses on all 114 sites and google has finally dropped all the old addresses.

These 114 sites are now spread across 21 IP addresses on 2 class 3's (83.217.99.xxx & 83.217.100.xxx). We began the transition on Friday 11th Feb and completed it today, Monday 21th Feb .

Has this had any effect on your page - in the current state of turmoil I've no idea!

Regards
Simon

Although this should have an effect on our placement, I can see no logical reason that these links or any of our links would be causing Google to report the results we are seeing right now.

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 22nd 2005, 11:46 am

At some time today between 8:AM and 1:PM Google once again rolled back the Backlink Update on Datacenters...

66.102.7.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147
216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104

This is the second time that the Update was applied then rolled back on these same Datacenters!

Caryl

earlpearl

Feb 22nd 2005, 12:41 pm

mcdar

Feb 23rd 2005, 6:59 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #101 allinanchor: #35 -2/14/2005 [2 DCs #80, 1 DCs #82, 1 DCs #83, 3 DCs #99, 16 DCs #101, 4 DCs #104, 6 DCs #122]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 3 DCs, #34 on 1 DC, #35 on 19 DCs, #278 on 4 DCs, #281 on 6 DCs)
Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
Postion #82 allinanchor: #17 -2/20/2005 [9 DCs #49, 3 DCs #80, 14 DC #82, 7 DCs #83]**(Note: Allinanchor #17 on 25 DCs, #45 on 8 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #35 -2/21/2005 [2 DCs #41, 27 DCs #42, 4 DC #43]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 16 DCs, #35 on 17 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #29 -2/22/2005 [17 DCs #42, 11 DCs #80, 2 DC #81, 11 DC #84]**(Note: Allinanchor #16 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #29 -2/23/2005 [18 DCs #42, 3 DCs #67, 10 DCs #72, 2 DCs #74]** (Note: Allinanchor #12 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

99 - 2/15/2005
81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
111 - 2/20/2005
85 - 2/21/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/23/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 2/23/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
749 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
752 - 2/23/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #69

mcdar

Feb 23rd 2005, 7:34 am

Boy, this latest dance is long term perplexing. I glanced through the full report and virtually from the beginning the data centers would show slight variations on ranking...but never the level of variance as over the last several weeks (It appears as if only two recent days have had minimal ranking variance).

Just a godawful long period of unpredictability, and inability to see where or how the site is settling down for the time being...if there is a time being.

Are there any other sites experiencing the same dramatic variety of ranking changes (let alone variety of allinanchor changes).

Comments on these changes are all over the board on the chat boards. I suppose it will be some time before SEO's begin to characterise this superbowl dance. (Maybe google bet big on Philadelphia winning!)

Dave

Dave,

I would like to point out here that what continues to go on right now is NOT effecting my whole site. Some of my pages/keywords are the same as always. Had I been focusing on some other page/keyword, I would not have detected significant change at all.

Also, with the other Clients site we talked about earlier in the thread. That changed occured and hes remained in the "new" position ever since.

So, a number of thing have transpired (and continue to unfold) since Feb 3rd and this is what is causing confussion.

Some SEOs witnessed no changes at all (Lucky bastards) while others witnessed a change and it was over. Some are STILL witnessing changes, as we are here with this PAGE.

As I have said before, most people are not keeping records or are they checking across all of the datacenters, so their claims that their pages are fluctuating are just being dismissed by those who believe the whole thing is over or never existed.

The nature of this February EVENT as I have just described, will be why it WON'T be really labeled as anything. Even folks who have been following this experiment feel that nothing is really happening on Googles end.

Unfortunately, the lack of collabrative documentation on allinanchor, will most likely obscure what is really going on here. We may never know if Google has changed it's roll somehow or it's effect on the serps.

Only time will tell.

edited to add: I continue to update the tables. Positions are still changing. The Update roll back on the Datacenters that happened yesterday is still "rolled back".

In essence, the Fat Lady has STILL not sung.

Caryl

debunked

Feb 23rd 2005, 7:41 am

I am now seeing a difference among the datacenters for our sites. Earlier this update had made small positive moves for us, now it is back and forth between old results and new (sort of) but mostly still having positive movements.

mcdar

Feb 23rd 2005, 7:56 am

debunked,

I could almost kiss your feet. Thank you for posting that information here!

There are far too many folks in this forum that are discounting the fact that people who now claim to see these changes are just witnessing "daily flux".

This is NOT DAILY FLUX! There are definately people who have been around long enough to know the difference.

debunked, you are a respected member of this forum and folks do look up to you. Thank you and other long term members for speaking up on this issue!

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 23rd 2005, 10:59 am

debunked helped me remember, in another thread, that I do indeed have some evidence to support the changes in allinanchor!

February 7th was the first time I noticed changes across the Datacenters for the experiment page, that is when I started recording that info as well.

At that time I used the Keyword Analysis Tool to get the Top Ten results for our page here.

I captured the results and posted all three results here...

Comparing Datacenters Feb 7 2005 (http://www.mcdar.net/DCsCompare2_7_05.htm)

You can see at that time the changes in the Top Ten sites between the Datacenters BUT also note from the ones represented in all three tables, the changes in their allinanchor rating!

Caryl

mcdar

Feb 24th 2005, 6:12 am

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**
***27 DCs are NOT resp**
****32 DCs are NOT resp**
*****36 DCs are NOT resp**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #102 allinanchor: #29 -2/15/2005 [2 DCs #79, 7 DCs #81, 2 DCs #82, 7 DCs #98, 9 DCs #102, 6 DCs #115]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 3 DCs, #28 on 4 DC, #29 on 12 DCs, #245 on 8 DCs, #246 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #27 -2/16/2005 [2 DCs #79, 14 DCs #80, 2 DCs #81, 4 DCs #83, 1 DCs #85, 4 DCs #100, 6 DCs #111]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #80 allinanchor: #16 -2/17/2005 [2 DCs #6, 2 DCs #76, 1 DC #78, 14 DCs #80, 3 DCs #81, 5 DCs #98, 6 DCs #109]**(Note: Allinanchor #27 on 15 DCs, #28 on 8 DC, #221 on 4 DCs, #227 on 6 DCs)
Postion #75 allinanchor: #16 -2/18/2005 [12 DCs #75, 6 DCs #76, 5 DC #78, 9 DCs #87]**(Note: Allinanchor #2 on 2 DCs, #16 on 23 DCs, #132 on 8 DCs)
Postion #77 allinanchor: #12 -2/19/2005 [2 DCs #75, 5 DCs #76, 18 DC #77, 8 DCs #88]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 34 DCs, #144 on 9 DCs)
Postion #82 allinanchor: #17 -2/20/2005 [9 DCs #49, 3 DCs #80, 14 DC #82, 7 DCs #83]**(Note: Allinanchor #17 on 25 DCs, #45 on 8 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #35 -2/21/2005 [2 DCs #41, 27 DCs #42, 4 DC #43]**(Note: Allinanchor #8 on 16 DCs, #35 on 17 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #29 -2/22/2005 [17 DCs #42, 11 DCs #80, 2 DC #81, 11 DC #84]**(Note: Allinanchor #16 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)
Postion #42 allinanchor: #29 -2/23/2005 [18 DCs #42, 3 DCs #67, 10 DCs #72, 2 DCs #74]**(Note: Allinanchor #12 on 15 DCs, #29 on 18 DCs)
Postion #29 allinanchor: #15 -2/24/2005 [17 DCs #29, 3 DCs #71, 13 DCs #76]** (Note: Allinanchor #15 on 19 DCs, #28 on 14 DCs)
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

81 - 2/16/2005
57 - 2/17/2005
55 - 2/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
111 - 2/20/2005
85 - 2/21/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 2/23/2005
106 - 2/24/2005
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4320 - 2/15/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4310 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4320 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
4280 - 2/23/2005
4300 - 2/24/2005
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

756 - 2/16/2005
757 - 2/17/2005
Unchanged from previous date
749 - 2/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
752 - 2/23/2005
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

1508 - 1/7/2005
1457 - 1/10/2005
1416 - 1/12/2005
608 - 1/20/2005(786 lost links from one IP)
628 - 1/23/2005
606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
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PR/Backlink info

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
114 0f 260 Backlinks reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
36 for Foxy
36 for Others
7 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for SEO Chat forums
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~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
267 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported

18 for Caryl
16 for Bob
178 for Foxy
31 for Others
16 for Patient
5 for Digitalpoint forums
3 for SEO Chat forums
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~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
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~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
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~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
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~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
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~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
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~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
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~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

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Note:Google API has page at #26

earlpearl

Feb 24th 2005, 12:21 pm

It appears like the experiment page is slowly moving toward some more settled position, even as there is still lots more variance in data centers than at virtually any time prior to this February dance.

One of Caryl's points earlier hit me. As mentioned some pages and keywords are essentially unaffected and some have ridden this roller coaster. Even after dramatic changes, like Caryl's client that zoomed to a #1 ranking from buried...as you report there has been no wild dance since then.

So I'm curious why some keyword phrases have resulted in pages going through wild dances while others are hardly affected.

Even though I like quick answers I've learned this is not the place to get them. I don't expect one. Regardless it is curious as to why this page is subject to so much dancing for so long for the keyword phrase sleeping bags.

I'm guessing that this latest google "filter" in some way addressed sites wherein the optimization came through one extreme method...i.e. lots of anchor text backlinks of only one phrase. Some people are warning about this. Nobody has proven this to date. Possibly time will tell as to what google targeted and what they didn't.

Others have stated that google may not have the capacity to handle all its pages. Even if this is true why are some pages relatively unaffected and others subject to a wild ride? Maybe the capacity issue comes into play where the filter is applied. Who knows?

Just thought I would bring up these questions.

Dave

mcdar

Feb 24th 2005, 2:47 pm

Dave,

One big difference between the page that came back to #1 and stayed and the experiment page is that my clients page is really targeting a non-competitve keyword phrase.

The way I determine whether or not a keyword is competittive is that I look at the top ranking sites and see how many of the top sites are also the top sites listed in the results for allinanchor.

See a Comparison of the Keyword Analysis (http://www.mcdar.net/loria_mcdar_compare.jpg) of the two sites.

Note that the top results are for my clients site. Only two of the Top Ten have targeted the keywords for allinanchor (indicating they may be targeting the phrase).

Then look at the results for the experiment page. The allinanchor positions of the Top Ten nearly mirror the actual Top Ten! Obviuosly, the phrase is being optimized for. Allinanchor is NOT playing a big role there.

So, there is your Apple/Orange thing there.

Now, if Google is "playing around with" or "tweeking" allinanchor, it will ONLY really effect the positions of pages that depend heavily on allinanchor for ranking as the experiment page does.

Look at that table again and the results for sleeping bags, position #9 it got there with no ranking in the top one hunbred for allinanchor, 0 Backlinks and no PR. So, apparently, the size of the website and the mention of the keyword on one of it's pages gave them enough weight to rank.

If the "value" of allinanchor was being adjusted, it would not effect them at all as they were not dependent on it to begin with.

If you check out the link I posted in my post just above today's Daily Update,
you will note there that it is NOT just us moving around. Other Top Ten "players" were also experiencing changes to their allinanchor rating and some were coming in out of the Top Ten.

This is still happening to us and them alike. There is simply NOT enough time in my day to record all of this.

If Google had applied a "filter" then we would have seen a change and there we would be, PERIOD. You would experience the daily flux from there.

If you change a factor in an equation, you change the results. BUT as long as the equation remains in the changed state, the results will be predictable until.

Pre Feb 3rd: 1 + 1 =2
Post Feb 3rd: 1 + 1 +1(your "filter") = 3

The result will always be 3 unless SOMETHING keeps changing! Well SOMETHING keeps changing and it AIN'T US.

A change in the equation does not make the results erratic and unpredictable! The only thing that makes results change is to continue to change something in the equation.

Google has applied and then rolled back the Backlink Update twice on the same 6 Datacenters.

Why is no one speculating why Google is BROKE?

Google has been working on this last UPDATE for 21 DAYS now.

Why is no one speculating why Google is BROKE?