McDar Experiment

[Foxy]

Hey, I wanna play too....

Welcome...contact McDar and join in :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
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Last 10 days

Postion #18 allinanchor: #2 - 09/28/2004 [12 DCs #17, 20 DCs #18] ****
Postion #18 allinanchor: #2 - 09/29/2004 [3 DCs #17, 29 DCs #18] ****
Postion #18 allinanchor: #2 - 09/30/2004 [4 DCs #17, 28 DCs #18] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/01/2004 [4 DCs #23, 28 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/02/2004 [2 DCs #21, 5 DCs #22, 19 DCs #23, 6 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/03/2004 [3 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

77 - 9/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
80 - 9/21/2004
77 - 9/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
80 - 9/28/2004
79 - 9/29/2004
80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3420 - 9/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 9/30/2004
3070 - 10/01/2004
3090 - 10/02/2004[/B]
3020 - 10/03/2004
2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

327 - 9/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
317 - 9/30/2004
311 - 10/01/2004
314 - 10/02/2004
316 - 10/03/2004
318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

192 - 09/18/2004
209 - 09/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
212 - 09/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
214 - 09/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
226 - 09/28/2004
Unreported from previous date
133 - 10/04/2004
129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
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~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
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~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
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~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #24

[T0PS3O]

Back to 24.. Sorry! Shouldn't have mentioned it. Let's go back to silent mode... :)

[mcdar]

HaHa!

Right now it is kind of like hopping around on a pogo stick. :D

Many of us, that have been following this experiment for a long time, are kind of use to Google's incredible instability.

Debates on "broken Google" have occured on a regular basis since January. In fact, I have been placing links to forum posts regarding wierd changes on the Complete Report (look for the link to this on my daily update report - then check out the links on the position/allinanchor list) to show how many of the changes we have experienced correspond to major Google "burps".

Caryl

[NewComputer]

Where are people getting these results from? Is that Shawn's Keyword Tracking tool?

[T0PS3O]

Depending on which part of the stats here you exactly mean; I think the answer is 'A combination of McDar's tool, DP's Tracker and manual Google checks'.

[Foxy]

I'm doing the manual checks......:)

[mcdar]

I am using the tools that are linked to in my sig lines below.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/01/2004 [4 DCs #23, 28 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/02/2004 [2 DCs #21, 5 DCs #22, 19 DCs #23, 6 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/03/2004 [3 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

77 - 9/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
80 - 9/21/2004
77 - 9/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
80 - 9/28/2004
79 - 9/29/2004
80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3420 - 9/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 9/30/2004
3070 - 10/01/2004
3090 - 10/02/2004[/B]
3020 - 10/03/2004
2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

327 - 9/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
317 - 9/30/2004
311 - 10/01/2004
314 - 10/02/2004
316 - 10/03/2004
318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

192 - 09/18/2004
209 - 09/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
212 - 09/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
214 - 09/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
226 - 09/28/2004
Unreported from previous date
133 - 10/04/2004
129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
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~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
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~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #11

[Nitin M]

Not sure who is the ring leader on this experiement ....

I'd like to throw some of my coop ad network inventory at this .... may I ?

[Foxy]

Nitin M - Thanks for the approach - contact Mcdar by a PM I have no problem with the concept but others need to agree :)

[mcdar]

Nitin M has contacted me and I am now waiting for his link information to add to the experiment.

In the mean time, if anyone sees a problem from this addition, PLEASE let us know.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/02/2004 [2 DCs #21, 5 DCs #22, 19 DCs #23, 6 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/03/2004 [3 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3090 - 10/02/2004[/B]
3020 - 10/03/2004
2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

314 - 10/02/2004
316 - 10/03/2004
318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

192 - 09/18/2004
209 - 09/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
212 - 09/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
214 - 09/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
226 - 09/28/2004
Unreported from previous date
133 - 10/04/2004
129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #11

[Nitin M]

13,000 Coop Ad Network Weight Added for "Sleeping Bags" and another 13,000 Coop Ad Network Weight Added for "Sleeping Bag".

Assuming Shawn approves the links sometime this afternoon, the full benefit of this will be distributed throughout the network by the evening of Saturday, October 16th (it takes 100 hours for new addiitons into the network to be fully integrated into the network). We should start seeing a positive impact in about a week.

It should result in over 1,000 new backlinks spread over hundreds of sites in the next 2 weeks... it will be interesting to see how this affects the placement.

And since I love to gamble ... anyone care to wager we will be in the top 3 by the end of the month? Say, $20 ? :p

[compar]

And since I love to gamble ... anyone care to wager we will be in the top 3 by the end of the month? Say, $20 ? :p
I won't bet you Nitin, but I have to say this was a very generous offer.

It doesn't really confuse anything else we have done and it is certainly a test of the Coop Ad Network.

Thanks again for your help.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/02/2004 [2 DCs #21, 5 DCs #22, 19 DCs #23, 6 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/03/2004 [3 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3090 - 10/02/2004[/B]
3020 - 10/03/2004
2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

314 - 10/02/2004
316 - 10/03/2004
318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

226 - 09/28/2004
Unreported from previous date
133 - 10/04/2004
129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

[T0PS3O]

The Coop 'sleeping bag' no -s links might confuse matters a bit since all current links are with the s. Spread though is probably a good thing but for clarity IMO it would have been better to stick with the plural first. Wait and see the effect. Then later add a singular version and see its impact. Now we can't distinguish.

[Nitin M]

Ooops.

I'll take out the plural ... at this point there has been very little affect of the coop ad network so hopefully it is not too late....

[Nitin M]

OKay - so all 26,000 is now setup just for "Sleeping Bags".

[mcdar]

Nice catch TOPS30 !!!!!!

Thank you.

[T0PS3O]

No probs, it's the Chocolate hobnobs that keep me sharp.

I've got this top-10-soon feeling about this...

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

133 - 10/04/2004
129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

[Foxy]

Does anybody have any ideas how to keep a check on this? That is how many from where?

BTW Thanks Nitin and well spotted Tops30 - like Bob I won't take up the offer of a quick flutter :D

[mcdar]

I have not a clue as to how to track the links that will result from Nitin's contribution.

Anybody?????

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****
Postion #19 allinanchor: #2 - 10/05/2004 [2 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18, 26 DCs #19, 2 DCs #21] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

80 - 9/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
226 - 10/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

[Nitin M]

I really don't think there is a way. The network is too large and there is too much randomness built into how the links rotate through the system so there is no way to know exactly which links have been indexed by google at any given time.

As far as the ad network is concerned, the only thing we have at this point to go on is the weight ... which is/was ~26k.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
226 - 10/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/07/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10, 2 DCs #11] ****
Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2990 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2870 - 10/06/2004
3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

318 - 10/04/2004
317 - 10/05/2004
319 - 10/06/2004
317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

129 - 10/05/2004
170 - 10/06/2004
164 - 10/07/2004
165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
226 - 10/15/2004
229 - 10/17/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #17

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #17

[SEbasic]

Do you guys still need links for this project?

[T0PS3O]

I'd wait to see the impact of the Coop links before trowing more 'normal' links at it. Besides that point, all links are welcome of course .

[SEbasic]

I'll wait a while then...

I'd love to see what the coop does...

[mcdar]

SEbasic,

We appreciate your offer!

If a link from this page would be of help to you, I will be happy to exchange links right now. I am not sure that one more recip link would strongly effect our placement as we would expect the change to be with the large number we would expect from the coop.

So, please feel free to contact me, if we can be of help to you.

Thanks,
Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #24 allinanchor: #2 - 10/08/2004 [1 DC #22, 2 DCs #11, 29 DCs #24] ****
Postion #23 allinanchor: #2 - 10/09/2004 [1 DC #21, 2 DCs #22, 29 DCs #23] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3000 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

317 - 10/07/2004
Unchanged from previous date
316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

165 - 10/08/2004
Unchanged from previous date
166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

166 - 10/10/2004
198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

[schlottke]

I'll add a link to the bottom of http://www.jrwrestling.com/forum for a couple weeks if you want.

[Nitin M]

schlottke - please wait for caryl to give the go-ahead... I think the consensus was to wait and try not to make any changes to be able to measure the coop ad network impact in isolation.

and ... it seems to be making a big impact ... will wait for the official posting, but it certainly looks good from my neck of the woods! :D :D :D

<edit - added>
It seems the network weight assigned to the site has shifted based on the site gaining new indexed pages... when I first put it in it was roughly 26k ... I noticed it edged up to 27k which I didn't think was worth mentioning. Just checked it now and it is was at 40k so I cut in half down to 20k (i.e. I put in a totally unrelated link to cut the 40k down cause I am betting the 40k is too much weight for a single KWP).
</edit>

[Foxy]

I'm seeing that too ...a big jump up...lets see whether it stays.

Perhaps you should have left the weighting alone ??? :)

[compar]

<edit - added>
It seems the network weight assigned to the site has shifted based on the site gaining new indexed pages... when I first put it in it was roughly 26k ... I noticed it edged up to 27k which I didn't think was worth mentioning. Just checked it now and it is was at 40k so I cut in half down to 20k (i.e. I put in a totally unrelated link to cut the 40k down cause I am betting the 40k is too much weight for a single KWP).
</edit>
I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about. Are you suggesting the the coop weight is evenly distributed across the number of ads or keyword phrases you are using?

And if this is the case does anyone know the relationship between the number of ad exposures and weight?

[mcdar]

YES, GOOD NEWS! We have made another big jump today.

Nitin,

Could you please explain to us.

Thanks

[Foxy]

Its a pity we cannot check the ad network...

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[leeds1]

so there you have it guys - the sandbox does not exist - it's about the value of links

well done everyone on the results

[T0PS3O]

http://www.wagnerur.hu/itallap/pia19/champagne.jpg

Thankfully borrowed from www.wagnerur.hu

Cheers!

[Foxy]

I guess it is like that.....so when do we get to number 1 then? :D

[mcdar]

If the Ad network rotates links and it was the addition of those ads that boosted the experiment page, then I would say that the position would bounce around.

We'll also have to find out from Nitin what exactly he did when he "adjusted" the ad down.

[schlottke]

I think what Nitin was saying is that he was at a total of 26k weight, and then he jumped to 40k so he added an additional site so each would be splitting the 40k rather than all of the weight being put towards the sleeping bags KW.

[Foxy]

Schlottke do proceed [let Caryl know] as I think that there is a corresponding increase in the numbers from the other sites giving a broad spread during this same period which should not be overlooked.

Check these - todays gives an increase again to 234

http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm

[Nitin M]

I think what Nitin was saying is that he was at a total of 26k weight, and then he jumped to 40k so he added an additional site so each would be splitting the 40k rather than all of the weight being put towards the sleeping bags KW.Exactly. I'll go into a bit more detail for those not using the ad network...

I had a single site in the network that had a weight of 26k. For any site you can put in upt 10 different urls and your weighting will be spread evenly across those URL's.

Initially, I put in 2 URLs (well i URL, but 2 anchors) ... "Sleepings Bags" and "Sleeping Bag". But, as requested I got rid of "Sleeping Bag" within 24 hours I think so all 26k weighting was going to the single link of "Sleeping Bags".

The weighting for any site will adjust as that site gains or loses pages in the index. It wasn't through any action I took but the site I used got a jump in indexed pages which equated to a jump in weighting to about 40k. I figured 20k was closer to the orginal 26k then was 40k, so added a second totally unrelated url so bring down the weighting of "Sleeping Bags" to 20k.

Now, any impact to SERP based on the change to the ad network is going to be at least a week delayed, so none of this affects the jump to #4.

As to someone else's q re: jumping positions based on the randomness of the ad network .... yeah, it can happen. But, for the majority of the terms I am using with the network, after an initial bounce period they fall into a position that doesn't seem to fluctuate any more than normal SERP movement.

<edit - added>
BTW - I don't think we're settling in at #4 ... if this tracks like my other KWP's in the network we are still going to move up over the next couple of weeks. :) 20k is a lot to throw at a single KWP ... I would say for semi-competitive KWPs similar to "Sleeping Bags" I have only been throwing 5-10k at them and getting top 5 SERP positions.
</edit>

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3250 - 10/11/2004
3390 - 10/12/2004
3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

316 - 10/11/2004
312 - 10/12/2004
311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 10/11/2004
202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[compar]

So Caryl, after all this work are you seeing increased traffic to the page as a result of the #4 position? Are you selling anything from the page?

An interesting question to speculate about is the quality of traffic coming from generic search versus PPC clicks. I have a page that was converting at approximately 2% for people finding it via generic search.

The other day I went out and purchased some PPC advertising. Over the last three days the PPC advertising has produced approx 2,000 additional visits to the site. But in fact my total sales for these three days has been lower than usual. I would say that the PPC user have probably had a 0% conversion rate.

I know this is a very small sample, but I've had similar results from PPC before. Anyone else had this experience?

[leeds1]

same here Bob . High % of clickthrus so the ad was attractive but about 0.5% conversion

[T0PS3O]

Then either your ad is too promising or your landing page lacks, hence not converting. You should be able to get it to 1-2% for most products/services.

You might have to bid for more targeted words as well. Depends on the CPC and CP Conversion though.

It does depend on the conversion tracking software. You probably track the last few days but it doesn't account for people coming back later and purchase.

Most of our CP Conversions are justified considering the margins. Underperforming ads get tweaked or killed.

What helped for us a lot is using negative keywords. -information and -cheap do wonders. Mentioning the price in the ad scares non-buyers away too.

[mcdar]

So Caryl, after all this work are you seeing increased traffic to the page as a result of the #4 position? Are you selling anything from the page?

An interesting question to speculate about is the quality of traffic coming from generic search versus PPC clicks. I have a page that was converting at approximately 2% for people finding it via generic search.

The other day I went out and purchased some PPC advertising. Over the last three days the PPC advertising has produced approx 2,000 additional visits to the site. But in fact my total sales for these three days has been lower than usual. I would say that the PPC user have probably had a 0% conversion rate.

I know this is a very small sample, but I've had similar results from PPC before. Anyone else had this experience?

Hi Folks,

Well we are getting a few hits now from Google searches on both "Sleeping Bag" (singular - we are #3 for that keyword) and "Sleeping Bags" (plural - we are #4 for that keyword). I could not confirm any sales from this search as of yet.

2 issues to keep in mind - Not exactly the season for sleeping bags (spring and Christmas are best) PLUS I do not see anything selling well right now.

I have even done some research on ebay sales in different categories we have sold in, in the past, and find them very anemic right now as well!

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/13/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

[compar]

But of course Google isn't broken. It gives perfectly structured SERP results every day. Obviously 11 pages that are more relevant than the test page came online overnight. Because Google never makes a mistake.

Boy I'm glad the people on this forum straightened me out over this one. I might have gone around actually thinking that Google was fucked up. :rolleyes:

[mcdar]

Hi Bob,

Yes, it is "crazy making" to watch the page bounce around! People have resisted the idea that Google is "broken" or is making constant changes to their search engine for months now.

I have just given up posting anything about it!

Speaking of giving up posting...
Due to the recent forum changes, it is now become a toss-up to me, whether to respond to a post or to post the daily results. I can no longer do both. So I guess my posting to this forum will be limited.

Now - if someone will post something after me, even nonsense drivel, I will be able to post today's results!

Caryl

[SEbasic]

blah blah this is fun, let's see the results...

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3610 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

311 - 10/13/2004
Unchanged from previous date
303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

[compar]

Now - if someone will post something after me, even nonsense drivel, I will be able to post today's results!

Caryl

I find that a bit of a stupid rule. Some times there are two ideas in a post and it makes sense to break then up for a reply. Also if you post something and then have one more brillant idea. You have to wait around for someone else to post before you can send. And that also breaks up the continuity.

[Foxy]

Suddenly this forum is becoming frustrating - what is going on?

We get changes, like this, that are against what was already in place and make it difficult and not free flowing, a negative change IMHO, but we do not get changes in the policy of anything goes however distasteful that may be!

[Las Vegas Homes]

I have used this tool and found it to be quite useful as well. I also like Mcdars tool as well but I have been using this one of late.

http://wm-community.com/members/tools/dance/keyrankg.php

[Foxy]

I have used this tool and found it to be quite useful as well. I also like Mcdars tool as well but I have been using this one of late.

http://wm-community.com/members/tools/dance/keyrankg.php

Do you mean you think this [the one you list here] is a great tool?

Which planet are you on?

This is the only relevant one for what that tool does - showing positions etc:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/

and Mcdars TOOLS [plural] for the rest - :eek:

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/14/2004 [2 DC #13, 28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/15/2004 [3 DC #13, 25 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3660 - 10/15/2004
3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

303 - 10/15/2004
299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

202 - 10/13/2004
203 - 10/14/2004
214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

[Foxy]

OK -- you can post again Caryl......this could be real tedious

[compar]

This is the only relevant one for what that tool does - showing positions etc:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/

That's not quite true Foxy in that Shawn's tool only show placement if it is 200 or higher.

[Las Vegas Homes]

Do you mean you think this [the one you list here] is a great tool?

Which planet are you on?

This is the only relevant one for what that tool does - showing positions etc:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/

and Mcdars TOOLS [plural] for the rest - :eek:

I have used both tools you mentioned and do like them both, but I also used the tool I mentioned and liked it as well. As for Shawns tool, I tried to use it a few weeks ago after not using it for about 45 days and the ranking tool didnt work. I had no keywords in place that I spent forever placing, so I just gave up on it, but I did like it when I could use it.

The data from all the tools mentioned help me anyway to plan a course of attack. I in no way was suggesting that any of those tools were bad or better then the next.

[Dirkjan]

uhm,

I know this threat is going on for a while because I saw it before. But I had my doubts about the topic and therefore didnt really reply.

What I miss is:
You talk about pagerank, backlinks, and anchor text. All nice and good but howcome none of you really talk about content?

Am I naive to think that google has a lot of value to the content?

I know anchor text is important, I know miserable failure was George Bush in Google and I read many dutch weblogs where they did tricks like that, but still.

I redid a website for a client, and only changed 3 things:
1. - I made a link on each page, linking to another, somewhere on the page with good anchor text.
2. - I changed the title of each page to 2 search words (different per page)
3. - I used the same search words 3 times in the text of the page, and at least in 1 bold line and description for an image.

My client is top 10 on 20 of his search terms now. He is quite satisfied with it. I didnt do a single extra extern backlink, nor did his PR raise. Still his site changed quite a lot.

I see many webdesign websites that have their keywords in EACH TITLE on their site and somehow got the idea this is very bad :P

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3740 - 10/16/2004
3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

299 - 10/16/2004
297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #13

[Nitin M]

Guess we have to bump to ensure Caryl can re-post...

Not much to really say ... will be interesting to watch. I had a similar drop on a couple of my KWP's in the coop (but not with the vast majority) and then they recovered ... so, let's see what happens...

[mcdar]

Thanks, Nitin!!!

I too expect the page to recover some. Time will tell.

(I just wrote a lengthy response to Dirkjan and it was totally lost. Boy, was I pissed)

Caryl

DIRKJAN, Welcome!!!

(comment:boy I hate this BS forum rule regarding sequential posts!!!!)

It was not the intention of this thread to discount the value of on-page optimization, but since last November and Googles "Florida" update, on-page optimization alone is not effective in placing pages where keywords are moderately or highly competitve.

In those cases, the only thing the will get you good placement is linking. But, linking alone was found to be not enough, linking with good anchor text was required.

The subject and topic of this thread have been focused on the results of the Keyword Analysis Tool (link is in my signature below) and the relationship of actual links, Google reported links, and Allinanchor position as reported by Google.

The reason this experiment has lingered so long is that Google has made so many and frequent changes in this time frame, that it has been imposible to distinguish the results of our "experimental changes" and Googles changes.

If you click on the link Complete Report in the daily update, you will find hyperlinks on a number of the "Page Positions" reported, especially when large jumps occured. These links will take you to forum discussions on that same day that show that the jumps we experienced coincided with major changes to MANY pages at the same time. Therefore, it was impossible to claim our position change was the result of our link changes.

I hope this helps.

Caryl

[Nitin M]

Can't wait for tomorrow's official update :D :D :D

And noone took me up on my initial $20 wager :( ... guess I should have given odds on it, eh?

[mcdar]

Nitin,

No Fair - You Peeked!!!! :D :D :D

Now someone will have to post something before I can post the update...

Caryl

[Smyrl]

As we say in bridge, a peek is worth two finesses. Now I have to go peek also.

Shannon

[Foxy]

Snitch - peeking ain't part of the game....hehehe...or is it! :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 10/16/2004 [1 DC #13, 13 DCs #14, 12 DCs #15, 4 DCs #16] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/17/2004 [2 DC #13, 5 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 19 DCs #17, 2 DCs #18] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3760 - 10/17/2004
3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

297 - 10/17/2004
295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

214 - 10/15/2004
217 - 10/17/2004
225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[T0PS3O]

Finally... AllInAnchor equals SERanking.

[Foxy]

Quite - took some time tho......and a little strategy change, perhaps....but wait a while to see whether it settles :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/18/2004 [2 DC #14, 2 DCs #16, 24 DCs #17, 2 DCs #19] ****
Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[Smyrl]

Congratulations guys on job well done.

Shannon

[dazzlindonna]

So, do you think this nice ranking is due to the recent coop ads?

[T0PS3O]

There is only one way to find out...

Leave it as it is for two weeks to see if it stays.

Then remove the coop ads to it and see it fall into oblivion again (well, down to 15-20).

My guess is that it was due to the additional coop links indeed.

[mcdar]

Certainly, it will be interesting to see if the page will stabilize in the top ten somewhere!

I do feel at this point, that more progress was made when the backlinks were spread out from many on a few urls to many from several urls.

Perhaps a more interesting twist would be to limit the links to just one per url. This would give us a better idea of how Google views multiple links from single urls.

[Foxy]

My gut feel is most certainly the "new" spread of links.

However, not to assume this, is the better course, and to then test by using the tops30 approach or mcdars.

Then of course it would not be me if I hadn't run a "control" alongside would it?

Ski France was runniing at 5 in March and then went out to 8 and then September 5 to 15 and on down to 17

On October 22 it was 14 - [that is 1 day after the initial #4 position for sleeping bags] and I placed coops on the ski site for the first time - by the 25th it was 9 and now it is 8 [if I could get my index page to validate, rather than an internal page, I would have a higher weighting and I believe a higher position]

So even without further testing I would say yes

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #17 allinanchor: #2 - 10/19/2004 [2 DC #14, 4 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 22 DCs #17] ****
Postion #16 allinanchor: #2 - 10/20/2004 [6 DC #14, 3 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
106 - 10/30/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3950 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4080 - 10/20/2004
4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[Smyrl]

This post is made to assure next McDar update can take place.

The number 2 is exciting.

Shannon

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
106 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[compar]

We seem to have finally stabalized. If this is the case it is probably time to try and figure out exactly what we did to drive this page to #2.

I would say that the diversity of link from diffeerent IP addresses was a major factor, but the coop ad scheme seemed to give the page the final push.

The problem with drawing hard and fast conclusions is that we still don't know for sure what changes have been going on in Google while we were making our changes.

[Patient]

Hi All

My congratulations on a well run test, particularly during a period of significant upheaval with that MFSE (nice term Compar!).

I have only today found this post and spent three hours reading it from start to end - I would strongly recommend that anyone with an interest in SEO do the same.

This has only been succesful through strong leadership from a group prepared to pre-agree changes (thanks Compar, Foxy, Mcdar), a willingness to avoid panic changes, and... to my total amazement really good co-operation from members of this forum. My experience on other forums has been poor as a result of total unwillingness for members to cooperate.

Whilst there is a very welcome reluctance to draw conclusions at this point I would like to offer a few to see "if they fly":

1) Forum signature links do have an influence on SERPS
2) The coop ad network works a treat
3) the "sandbox" does not prevent pages from ranking highly
4) Exact KWP backlinks do not harm rankings
5) Links from unrelated sites help rankings
6) There is no penalty for exact KWP + exact <title>

oh.. and just for Compar:
7) Google is F**ked (well at least it behaves strangely at times)

Care to comment?

[Nitin M]

Interesting how folks will take the same information and come to different conclusions. Of course, my thoughts are derived mainly from work outside of this experiement, but I believe supported for the most part by this experiment ...

1) Forum signature links do have an influence on SERPS
Disagree.
Amazingly I now am in the camp that believes forum sig links do absolutely nothing for SERPs. They used to but something in the past 6 months has caused them to become worthless. I had a very hard time believing this one myself but have run several tests in several forum sites (vBulletin and phpbb) and looked at tests by other people and it appears to be the case.

2) The coop ad network works a treat
Strongly Agree

3) the "sandbox" does not prevent pages from ranking highly
N/A
I don't believe this experiment can be used to judge the existence of a sandbox. I believe a "sandbox" or filter can be triggered by over-use of backlinks too quickly from a small set of source class C IP's.

4) Exact KWP backlinks do not harm rankings
Agree - with the caveat of possible sandbox/filter as noted above.

5) Links from unrelated sites help rankings
Strongly Agree

6) There is no penalty for exact KWP + exact <title>
Strongly Agree

7) Google is F**ked (well at least it behaves strangely at times)
No Comment - We have enough threads on this nonsense IMHO

[leeds1]

I am with you all the way on disagreeing on forum links

I have been saying this for a long while now - only use them for advertising (I don't even think they get new sites spidered any longer)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -10/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

101 - 10/03/2004
102 - 10/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4140 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

295 - 10/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/20/2004
289 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

225 - 10/18/2004
226 - 10/20/2004
234 - 10/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[Smyrl]

Look forward to seeing tomorrow's results.

S

[Patient]

Thanks for your reply which has helped to clarify my thinking.

I thought that the evidence from this test suggested that the forum backlinks had a significant effect on the rankings of the test page! If backlinks from forums do not count do you agree with Leeds1 that the disqualification is simply based on whether "forum" is in the url?

However, it is the very nature of the "sandbox" that I find most intriguing and if anyone is "up for it" I would like to explore.

I have a very healthy respect and admiration for Google and find it difficult to believe that they would introduce, as many suggest, a filter that is purely time based. For me that simply doesn't add up (I do not rule out that it is true though!).

If it isn't time based (which needs to be proven!) then anyone with websites in the sandbox cannot simply "wait it out". I for one have websites that behave "normally" and websites that behave like they're sandboxed. From the testing I have done I would characterise a sandboxed website as follows:

a) its pages respond to on-page SEO normally
b) its pages respond to external in-bound links normally
c) its pages do not respond to IBL/OBL normally

Anyone care to comment? Anyone care to join me in trying some experimentation to further our understanding of this phenomena?

[T0PS3O]

What's the difference between b) and c) (apart from the OBL part of course)?

[Patient]

c) refers to links (inbound and outbound) from/to other pages on the website in question.

Hope that clarifies it.

[T0PS3O]

So you mean b) is external and c) is internal?

[Patient]

Exactly - yes.

[T0PS3O]

I always found that internal linking hardly helps for ranking in the first place. Same IP and same domain, too easy to whack a filter on. It's only important if you are in the business of spreading PR around and for getting indexed properly.

[Patient]

Not true TOPS30! I have many websites with thousands of pages ranking top solely as a result of internal back links. OK they are not highly competitive keywords but they generate a lot of traffic.

However, I don't want to get into an argument about this and would like to stay on topic - notably sandbox. In this regard and being very specific I will pick two of my websites:

Site a) PR 5 and has been for a long while - ranks 1&2 for 100+ KWP's
Site b) PR5 but only recently - ranks outside page 1

I can move site a) down in the SERPS and then back to the top by changing internal linking text only - I cannot do so with site b).

Site b) exhibits many of the symptoms of an illness that people are currently calling sandbox.

Why? Don't know yet but it is possibly the sandbox (could be many other things though!). This is why I would like to join in a systematic test (as thorough as Compar, Mcdar, and Foxy have been) of this sandbox effect.

One way or the other I plan to find out what this "sandbox" is and how to get out of it. Having read this thread for 3 hours yesterday I am convinced that members here have the desire, determination, patience and capability to derive conclusive proof for certain aspects of googles behaviour.

I appear to have both types of websites (normal and sandboxed) and can therefore provide a test platform. I am looking for others to help guide testing and/or introduce their own sites to create statistical significance.

[Nitin M]

Patience - I think it is a good idea ... it has been tried before but thus far I don't think there has been any conclusive determination.

There was a recent thread on this ... search for the member Randfish and look at his posts and you'll find it.

I would suggest you start a new thread in the Google forum area for this discussion/experiment.

[Patient]

Thanks for your encouragement Nitin M

I agree that it warrants its own thread. I posted here because you guys have done such a great job with this thread I am hopeful that some of you would be willing to be involved in this new project (even if you have no sandboxed sites I would welcome your input on process).

I will wait for Compar, Foxy, and Mcdar (and anyone else who is still following this mammoth thread) to comment and if it seems there is a general positive attitude to the project than I shall open a thread.

I have a few ideas already on how to proceed and would like to get those ideas reviewed. It is clear that the scrutiny of methodology has contributed greatly to ensuring that this thread/test delivered useful and "trustable" results.

[Cyclops]

Hi there good people,

I found this forum and stumbled on to this thread yesterday. What a journey, It has been a very interesting read, I was up half the night reading through from start to finish, phew. Actually I'm quite glad I stumbled on it now and didn't have to look in each day for an update, don't know if I would have followed it through. What helped is that right at the start I did a google search for sleeping bags and saw the page was number two. So during the dark days I had to keep reading to find out what pulled it back into line.

Couple of points, I have been a regular at a share trading forum for a few years now and have noticed when a thread gets rather longish it can suddenly disappear, we usually start a part 2 etc after about 10 pages because of this. I only mention this as I would hate to see this informative thread disappear into cyber space.

I think the experiment to a degree lost some relevance when the coop ad links were added, they achieved the aim of driving sleeping bag to the number two position and maybe even number one but my gripe is that not everyone can do that. We don't have access to that kind of firepower.
I was screaming out don't do it as I read through the posts.
It got to position 12 with a method anyone could use, I would have liked to see it pull itself out of the mire continuing in that tradition.

By the way, what has become of the Poker experiment, I thought that it was an excellent idea although I can think of some barriers that would have to be overcome.
I notice the site is still a demo.

I might add I am a complete novice at this so forgive me if my comments are naive.

Michael.

[compar]

Cyclops,

I think everything you said is very germane. It is true that it seems the coop ads were the final push. And it is true that not all web site have access to this methodology.

So if we hadn't used the coop ads whatelse would we have needed to do?

[Cyclops]

>>>So if we hadn't used the coop ads what else would we have needed to do?<<<

My view was that the experiment was about achieving a top 5 ranking using tools that are available to the average person. Asking for Links to be donated was imho skiting around the edge but I would have let that slide as it appears more could have been found by other means anyway but due to time constraints and keeping things moving along a nudge was necessary.

But using the coop links was overkill, at the time the ranking was improving and all the donated links hadn't kicked in yet. I just think a little more patience was called for, after all the experiment had come this far and the finish line was in sight.....it just looked to me that it was a case of, lets get this over and done with in the quickest manner possible.
In my mind this was the most important period, finding out how to get those final few precious places into the top 5 by means that the average Joe could use.

It is an excellent example of the results that can be achieved when members of a forum get together and work through a problem as you guys have done. I congratulate all involved for that. It is very rare that this happens, usually squabbling or lack of interest and the whole thing drifts to an end prematurly.

In the sharetrading Forum I belong to we have had excellent results when we got together as a group and researched a stock.

[Foxy]

I'm not sure I agree with you on this, but it is a view that has merit. The "push" to achieve results came from the need to determine whether or not the spread of domains was more important than other factors and the embracing of the coop was a further extension of that. Admittedly we have no way of monitoring the numbers using this method but we have assumed, correctly, that this will be widely spread and as such has proved one or two invaluable points. The follow on in the future when we start dismantling bits is when we can see the other factors, as McDar pointed out, that may or may not have come to bear weight in the meantime.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/23/2004 [1 DC #14, 25 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16, 2 DCs #17] ****
Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4230 - 10/23/2004
4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[ROV]

The site made it to #1 somewhere.

http://techpreview.search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=sleeping+bags

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #2 -10/24/2004 [28 DCs #15, 2 DCs #16] ****
Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 -10/25/2004 [28 DCs #14, 2 DCs #15] ****
Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4240 - 10/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

294 - 10/23/2004
190 - 10/24/2004
293 - 10/25/2004
289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

235 - 10/23/2004
207 - 10/25/2004
206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #13 allinanchor: #2 -10/26/2004 [28 DCs #13, 2 DCs #14] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

4030 - 10/26/2004
3860 - 10/27/2004
3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

289 - 10/26/2004
Unchanged from previous date
292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/30/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

100 - 10/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
103 - 10/15/2004
104 - 10/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3850 - 10/28/2004
3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[ROV]

What have I learned from this experiment?

It takes a sh*tload of work to get a site to #1 in google for a competitive term.

My congratulations to anyone who has done it in the last year.

Has anyone done it in the last year?

[leeds1]

I've made it to #2 for a very competitive term in g.co.uk

I am on the final push for #1 - I see it closing in.

Pointers:

> I've added tons of content and keep adding it (in that sense I pick up a lot of side traffic)

> Extra links and lots of 'em

> Kept my home page fairly constant (ie: not keep playing around with it except to add in links to additional directories in my site)

[mcdar]

It has become apparent to me that a website MUST be a member of some kind of linking network to acquire the number of links now required to get into the top ten on competitive keywords!

There is NO WAY that my sending out emails (one at a time), that I could have received the kind of results or the number of links the experiment page has had to acquire to get into the top ten!

I am convinced that multiple links from a few different sites DID work for a short time in the first few months of this year. Google soon found out that folks were just making their own "Link Gardens" to achieve good positions.

Caryl

[Foxy]

What have I learned from this experiment?

It takes a sh*tload of work to get a site to #1 in google for a competitive term.

My congratulations to anyone who has done it in the last year.

Has anyone done it in the last year?

Yeah likewise no 1 over a range of them and, yes it took a whole lot of time and effort because I basically had to rebuild everything. However it is the comments of McDar that are sobering - because it is true.

I have always thought that the reciprocal links business was a waste of time in that it was not cost effective, necessary, perhaps, but not cost effective. But what is showing now is that unless, as Caryl says, you can get your linking very wide spread you are vulnerable and will never achieve giddy heights of no1 not even for non competitive phrases. :eek:

[mcdar]

One year ago, "pre-Florida", our main page to the site placed #24 for this keyword search with ON-PAGE OPTIMIZATION ONLY.

Now it takes 100s if not thousands of links to get descent placement.

That is a significant change in Googles Search Engine.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -10/31/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

107 - 10/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3790 - 10/29/2004
3700 - 10/30/2004
3680 - 10/31/2004
3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

292 - 10/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/01/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

107 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3690 - 11/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 10/31/2004
Unchanged from previous date
289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

206 - 10/26/2004
207 - 10/28/2004
202 - 11/01/2004
198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
404 - 11/12/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/03/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

3150 - 11/03/2004
2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/12/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[Foxy]

This is so if you feel like posting again McDar you can.

[compar]

This is so if you feel like posting again McDar you can.
And here is one for you Foxy. Now somebody give me one. We'll beat this thing somehow yet :mad:

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/04/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2730 - 11/04/2004
2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

289 - 11/03/2004
Unchanged from previous date
281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[Smyrl]

Finally the SERP looks reasonable.

Shannon

[mcdar]

Smyrl,

Thank you for commenting!

I would like to take this "rare" opportunity to APOLOGIZE to everyone who reads this thread, for my lack of commenting here lately.

It is not necessarily that I have nothing to say but since Shawn has changed the forum rules, I am usually unable to post or comment when I am moved to do so. So after posting the update, I get involved in a project I am currently involved with and ...
_______________________________________

IDEA

I would suggest that since we have seemed to stabilize, we might want to consider having Bob and Craig remove the link from their forum signatures again. This would allow us to see the effect of those signature links.

Comments and thoughts appreciated.

Caryl

[Smyrl]

I think this should be interesting. I have removed most of my signature links for fear they might be hurting more than helping. I added Hadley link when my friends page fell out of sight on keyword tracker and stayed that way for some time. Thought it could not hurt. At least page is can now be found back in SERPS. Do not know if signature link was the cause or if it would have come back anyway.

Shannon

[compar]

IDEA

I would suggest that since we have seemed to stabilize, we might want to consider having Bob and Craig remove the link from their forum signatures again. This would allow us to see the effect of those signature links.

Comments and thoughts appreciated.

Caryl
Sure, why not? Let's coordinate it with Craig, but I can remove it/them at any time.

The other thing I would be interested in doing is reducing the numer of links in my InfoPool (http://www.compar.com/infopool/) from 114 to about 10. There is some suspicion that Google may not be counting anymore than about 10 links from multiple listing like this. These are really the oldest links to the page. It would be interesting to see if the loss of 104 links would have any impact.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/05/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

281 - 11/05/2004
270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[Foxy]

Sure, why not? Let's coordinate it with Craig, but I can remove it/them at any time.

The other thing I would be interested in doing is reducing the numer of links in my InfoPool (http://www.compar.com/infopool/) from 114 to about 10. There is some suspicion that Google may not be counting anymore than about 10 links from multiple listing like this. These are really the oldest links to the page. It would be interesting to see if the loss of 104 links would have any impact.

We are all thinking the same way - so which comes first - signature links or yours Bob?

For some reason the forum has not been sending me emails on all latest posts so PMs might be more reliable.

[On another note, Bob, my Mambo site has shown up with the first pages listed in Google and it is going deeper each day - up to 36 pages now in total - however a good showing of Mambo so I feel a bit more comfortable about it]

[compar]

We are all thinking the same way - so which comes first - signature links or yours Bob?
Let's agree to drop our signature links first. Tell me when you are ready.

[Foxy]

That's fine by me Bob

I shall do it at 00.00 PST [that is 08.00 GMT] today [16th]

That includes seochat and any others that I might have floating around!

[compar]

That's fine by me Bob

I shall do it at 00.00 PST [that is 08.00 GMT] today [16th]

That includes seochat and any others that I might have floating around!
Mine are removed now.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

2950 - 11/05/2004
1910 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

270 - 11/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

198 - 11/03/2004
218 - 11/05/2004
222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #2

[l0cke]

Mcdar how is the traffic at #2/3?

Wordtracker - 554.0/day
Overture - 744.8/day

[compar]

Mcdar how is the traffic at #2/3?

Wordtracker - 554.0/day
Overture - 744.8/day
Good question! In other words have we done all this work for nothing?

[Foxy]

Yes a good question - however modular homes shows at 7500+ and 4400+ but that was only 2000 odd a little while back so I would suggest that there might be an anomaly in the figures - they should be read with caution. I was no1 in Yahoo the other day for modular homes [no 13 at the moment] and the figures jumped to 450/day which would relate to the original 2000 odd figure for Google [if Y is 25% of G].

[Actually.... change that, I went and had a look and we are back at No2 so I will let you know what happens with the stats] :)

[mcdar]

Mcdar how is the traffic at #2/3?

Wordtracker - 554.0/day
Overture - 744.8/day

Analysis of my log files for yesterday reported 13 hits from the search for keywords "Sleeping Bags" on Google.

Today's log already reports that many hits on the same.

Analysis of the last 7 days reports a total of 75 hits.

Caryl

[compar]

Analysis of my log files for yesterday reported 13 hits from the search for keywords "Sleeping Bags" on Google.

Today's log already reports that many hits on the same.

Analysis of the last 7 days reports a total of 75 hits.

Caryl
Well that certainly isn't many visits. I would have expected more. So then the next question is are those visitors converting or buying?

I recently spent $1,000 on some PPC advertising and found the conversion rate about 0% on a site that converts about 2% from generic SERP visitors. So if sleeping bags follow suit you should have gotten an order or two from those 75 visitor??????

[mcdar]

We have sold 7 sleeping bags in the last 7 days.

BUT, remember November is hardly a great time for selling Sleeping Bags. We usually do get a small surge during Christmas sales but most Sleeping Bags are sold in Spring and early Summer.

Honestly, I thought we would catch that wave last April when we first started the experiment. I thought when you offered (Bob 50 + links) that that was a gold mine and "surely the page would catapult to the top of the search". Boy, was I mistaken.

Without the help of ALL who have contributed to this experiment, I would still be wondering just what does it take to get to the top.

When I saw the keyword listed a "moderately difficult" I thought that it shouldn't be that difficult. I now have my doubts as to how these keywords get rated. It is apparent that it has taken hundreds, if not thousands, of links to get to the top.

I still believe that the Signature links have more value than many believe. But, we will soon find out the answer to that question, won't we.

Caryl

[earlpearl]

I've read parts of this incredible study. Actually placement in serps and number of visits and conversions/sales are two separate items. I used to be an avid camper. Not only have you been competing for a phrase but you are competing against name brand companies with a lot of visibility (REI) and others and traffic for sleeping bag(s) might also start out on phrases like camping gear etc. People using the phrase sleeping bags might orient immediately to well known retailers.

Do the overture predictions reflect traffic and buying patterns on a monthly basis. In my industry overture shows more traffic during typically busier months.

Actual visits may be a reflection of the content under the title. Maybe if the content said something like "best collection of sleeping bags at the best prices in the world...blah, blah, blah, it might draw more visits...but thats a different topic.

Who knows.

On my site, we use the word free for a couple of things and it amazes me the volume of search traffic with free...keywords. All that business come on stuff.

Without having read everything, it seems this experiment was focused on serps placement on google and not these last few comments. From what I've read (and I apologize for not going through everything) this has been a killer experiment valuable to many. Keep it up.

Thank you,

Dave

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/07/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/08/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

1900 - 11/08/2004
2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

263 - 11/08/2004
285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[Smyrl]

Keep the information flowing. It is fun to track the progress.

Shannon

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/09/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

108 - 11/03/2004
107 - 11/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

2960 - 11/09/2004
2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

285 - 11/09/2004
286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #3

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/10/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

2830 - 11/10/2004
3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

286 - 11/10/2004
780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[Smyrl]

What is everyone's thoughts about position four? Do you think this may be as a result of change in backlinks?

Shannon

[compar]

What is everyone's thoughts about position four? Do you think this may be as a result of change in backlinks?

Shannon
If you are talking about the Signature links that foxy and I removed a couple of days ago I would have thought it was to early for these to have had an impact yet. According to the daily report the count has only dropped a little bit. So I can't believe they will impact, if at all, until the number drops a lot further than this.

[mcdar]

The last time we dropped the signature links (6/11/04) the page was at position#30. By 6/25/04 we dropped to postion #144.

HOWEVER, there were many Google changes that coincided with ours so we really could not quantify the effects of the signature change.

I do believe we are already seeing some of the effects of the loss of the sig links. Google seems more stable right now so we may actually be able to see some real cause and effect results from our current change.

Caryl

:eek: NOW - someone has to post something so I can post tomorrows update!

[A Freylicher]

<<NOW - someone has to post something so I can post tomorrows update!>>

I shall do it.

I am new to SEO. Just a couple months ago learned the basics. I visited many SEO sites and forums. Clearly SEO is not an exact science and most conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence.

This thread (and I killed a few hours to read it from A to Z) is the closest thing to real science. It prompted me to join this forum - the only SEO forum I joined so far.

Thank you, Caryl for very good tool and everybody who participated in this experiment.

alex

[Foxy]

Hi A Freylicher, welcome and enjoy, and thankyou on behalf of everyone who is involved for your kind comments.

Reading the thread from start to finish is something even I have done a number of times as it gives a deeper insite into what is happening [and also the brain cells need refreshing as they aren't as good as they used to be !]

I certainly, like Bob, do not think that the signature removal has had any adverse affect [in fact I think the reverse is true, having no signature links now at all, and my main KWs are stable and my minor KWs have improved - but that is another area of interest, does the potence of major linking on one KW "take" from the others?] on the rankings, however, there is one factor I think I have noticed and that is that the "Reported" numbers trail the actual "Recorded" fact by a few days [Googles way of disinforming people like us!] - if this shows up significantly then it will prove this fact and the signature fact.:)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/11/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/12/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

3280 - 11/11/2004
4150 - 11/12/2004
4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

780 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

[dazzlindonna]

looks like the removal of the sig links is hurting the ranking

[mcdar]

I concur, Donna! I think the pages position will continue to slide - the big question is ...

How much of an effect will there be?

[dazzlindonna]

Do you have a general idea of how many sig links there were? Might be able to eventually correlate approximate level of importance of x amount of sig links to x amount of rise/fall.

[mcdar]

Donna,

The actual number of links should be the total of posts for Bob and Foxy for this forum and Foxy in SEOChat forum.

Bobs post total = 1489
Foxy (DP) = 1209
Foxy (SEOChat) = 347
Total = 3045

So, to answer your question, close to 3000 sig links.

Lord knows how many of those 3000 links Google counted toward actual links to the experiment page.

[compar]

Do you have a general idea of how many sig links there were? Might be able to eventually correlate approximate level of importance of x amount of sig links to x amount of rise/fall.
Yes the numbers are right in Caryl's daily reports. Google reported a high of 4,430 sig links from Digital Point and a high of 794 from SEOChat.

These are really cached copies and were found using the "site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags" or equivalent search. So the reason the number is slow to decline -- 4,130 and 771 today -- is because they don't fall off until Google does the next crawl of the page and update of the cache.

Both counts are down at the moment less than 10%. That is why it is hard for me to believe that they are the soul factor in a two or three place drop in the SERP.

[dazzlindonna]

Sorry, should have looked more closely at the numbers in the report. But losing 300+ links, I think, is significant enough to drop 2 or 3 places. But then again, Bob, I can't play poker to save my life, and since this is all pretty much a crap shoot anyway (trying to theme this...hehe), you, as the online poker master, probably have a better grip on the numbers than I do.

[Foxy]

These are really cached copies and were found using the "site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags" or equivalent search. So the reason the number is slow to decline -- 4,130 and 771 today -- is because they don't fall off until Google does the next crawl of the page and update of the cache.


Whilst I accept that this could explain the delay I personally do not think that it is solely that and that Google updates links more quickly - my reasons are based on the quickness that Google picks up a link to a new address which can and usually is within 24 hours.

If this is the case then Google knows the links 'on or off' within 24 hours whether they choose to show this or not called "caching"

Edit:

Because of this stupid no 2 message rule!!!

Here is the cache of one of my sites that I just pointed today at a new site


This is G o o g l e's cache of xxxx/web_hosting_forum/viewforum.php?f=1&mark=topics&sid=7fc96b9325612711c69e12833c7526ff as retrieved on 31 Dec 1969 23:59:59 GMT.


Oh.....really???? :eek:

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/13/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4340 - 11/13/2004
4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

786 - 11/13/2004
787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[Foxy]

Not much showing of removal of sig links being detrimental at this moment at all

It is now 7 days since the sig links were dropped and believe it or not they have INCREASED today

[T0PS3O]

Perhaps there is some kind of delay where the bot passes the spidered cache on to datacenter 1. This checks it for criterion x, perhaps blatant spam or the PR and linking. Then it's passed through the next filter/datacenter where it's checked for duplicates etc. Then after a few days of filterering and checking it goes live.

That could explain the delay.

The cached version shows 22nd, next to the Search Result it says 21st. So 21/22nd might be the day the cache 'went live' but it could have been spidered a week ago. Take into account the spidering of all linking pages and there you have a delay.

But this could also be nonsense. Just thinking out loud.

[darksat]

Well from what I know there is a lag between data getting transmitted to data centers, one example I have noticed is about a 24 hour lag for on page changes getting passed into the serps after spidering.

[Blogmaster]

Do you have a general idea of how many sig links there were? Might be able to eventually correlate approximate level of importance of x amount of sig links to x amount of rise/fall.
The amount of sig links is not as important as the location, what threads, do they relate to what you have in your sig etc.

[compar]

The amount of sig links is not as important as the location, what threads, do they relate to what you have in your sig etc.
How do you know that? I'd like to see some evidence. Outrageous claims like that without proof are exactly that. Outrageous claims.

[Foxy]

Here I am doing some little spying this morning - and from where I am sitting [UK] "sleeping bags" is back to #3 ....but I guess we should wait for Caryl to update :D

and on another point:
How do you know that? I'd like to see some evidence. Outrageous claims like that without proof are exactly that. Outrageous claims

Well said Bob

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/14/2004 [4 DCs #2, 26 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[Foxy]

Still at 4 then!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/15/2004 [5 DCs #2, 25 DCs #3] ****
Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4270 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

787 - 11/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

222 - 11/06/2004
232 - 11/08/2004
369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[compar]

Over 3,000 sig links have finally disappeared and no change in the SERP. Interesting that it has taken 9 days for the DP links to largely disappear, but no update on SEOChat yet at all.

[mcdar]

Yes, Bob -

However, it seems that the kink network has kicked in at this point. With today's new backlink update the page is now showing 3530 backlinks!!!! Up from a mere 469 in the previous update.

Today being Thanksgiving here is the US, I do not have time to go into this further at this time - I'm cooking :rolleyes: .

:D Happy Thanksgiving all !!! :D



Caryl

[SEbasic]

3530 backlinks!

Mine went up to 3400 with the Coop.
There are few other links pointing to the site without the Coop involved.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 -11/16/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4330 - 11/16/2004
4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

792 - 11/16/2004
794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/17/2004 [1 DCs #2, 29 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4430 - 11/17/2004
4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

794 - 11/17/2004
785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[Smyrl]

Been awaiting this report due to backlink update..

Thanks, Shannon

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/18/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[compar]

So has anybody a plausible explanation for what is going on with the signature links?

[T0PS3O]

I still can't get my head around the implementation of filtering out sig links. If they do that then they must filter out all forum links, not just a signature. I can't see how they would go round checking the HTML of all these different foras and look for the sig code.

The filtering has to be triggered by something. Easy to filter if the filename is contains showthread or the domain string contains forum(s) or post. I can't see they would make the effort of checking each link whether they are sig links or not.

[Arnica]

So has anybody a plausible explanation for what is going on with the signature links?Bob it could be the Google dupe content filter that Shawn has talked about recently. Apparently (and I've seen this happen with some sites) the pages show as just the page title with no description when doing a site:domain search then they are dropped from the index. It used to be thought that those entires in the index just meant that the pages were unavailable at the last spidering but it would now seem it shows pages on their way out of the index. It is certainly feasible that Google will see some of the anchor text experiment posts as dupe content as is consequently gradually pruning them from the index. There is some anecdotal evidence to support this in the ad network forum as members report their network weight plummeting (mainly from forum and directory sites). Doing a site: search on their sites reveals only a few pages with a description and these are the ones that count.

If it is a dupe content filter in action it will help level out the playing field a little and help put an end to sites using tens of thousands of backlinks from spammy directory pages to get a first page SE entry.

Mick

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #3 allinanchor: #2 -11/19/2004 [2 DCs #2, 28 DCs #3] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4330 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

785 - 11/18/2004
Unchanged from previous date
778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #4

[Smyrl]

Well, Forum backlinks reported by Google dropped Nov. 25. Guess we stay tuned to for furthher developmenmts.

Shannon

[leeds1]

2 things on the sig link thingy.

a) In general, you are voting for yourself - and this is not what google intended - they want votes from other sites to yours.

b) certainly with VB, the code goes something like this :

<!-- message, attachments, sig -->



<!-- message -->
<div>message goes in here</div>

<!-- / message -->




<!-- sig -->
<div>
__________________<br />

which is probably easy to filter out

Maybe someone could try a global replace on <!--sig--> to a space and see what happens (but I suspect it's more complicated than that)

[a389951l]

Here is totally off-the-wall theory. Many of the forums have been talking about a duplicate filter and pages dropping off. If Google has this capability, it not that far out to think that Google could implement something similar for links.

For example, blahblah | Text Link | blahblah. Google could be looking at the surrounding text around the link to see if there is a duplicate pattern. It would easily filter out most forum signature links and most duplicate link directories / farms.

[Arnica]

Here is totally off-the-wall theory. Many of the forums have been talking about a duplicate filter and pages dropping off. If Google has this capability, it not that far out to think that Google could implement something similar for links.

For example, blahblah | Text Link | blahblah. Google could be looking at the surrounding text around the link to see if there is a duplicate pattern. It would easily filter out most forum signature links and most duplicate link directories / farms.Not totally off the wall - see four posts ago. ;) I think it is unlikely that Google have a specific sig link filter otherwise all sig links would disappear from the backlinks results - they wouldn't just target individual pages. Doing a site:dpforums +sleeping bags shows many 'Supplemental Results'. Shawn has stated (this thread (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=57212&postcount=4)) that these are in process of being dropped from the index as they have not been crawled for a few months. I've seen this happen on sites small enough to be able to notice which pages have been dropped. It is not inconceivable that 100 or so of these results are being dropped each day.

Mick

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/20/2004 [4 DCs #3, 26 DCs #4] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4200 - 11/20/2004
4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

778 - 11/20/2004
771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
747 - 11/30/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

369 - 11/10/2004
403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

[Smyrl]

I do not like seeing sleeping bags slip even slightly in the serps. Can't wait to see how deep they slip and if they climb back with addition of signaure links.

Shannon

[Foxy]

They were at 5 on the 21st

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/21/2004 [4 DCs #4, 26 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

[T0PS3O]

Links still growing. Interesting.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/22/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #5

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/23/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

403 - 11/11/2004
403 - 11/12/2004
415 - 11/13/2004
422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[SEbasic]

Wow...

Big drop today...

[Patient]

What has caused the big drop?

[SEbasic]

It could just be the flux in the SERP's...

[a389951l]

So maybe signatures really do matter!

[mcdar]

Yes, indeed!

The last time Bob and Foxy dropped their Signature links there was a significant drop 14 days later.

According to the data on the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)...
________________
(Last time sig links were dropped - 14 days til big change)

Position #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [All DCs] **29 DCs are Not Responding**
Position #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are Not Responding**
----------------
(This time sig links were dropped - 17 days til big change)

Position #2 allinanchor: #2 - 11/16/2004 [All Datacenters]**30 DCs are Not Responding**
Position #10 allinanchor: #2 - 12/03/2004 [1 DCs #9, 29 DCs #10]**30 DCs are Not Responding**
_________________

Timing Coincidence?

[SEbasic]

Perhaps - but they were taken off ages ago weren't they.
Also, McDar now has the link back in his sig...

I'm a little confused at the moment as I'm not 100% sure what's happening with everything...

Edit:::
Mcdar cleared it up for me ;)

[mcdar]

Regarding the link to the page in my signature...

I did not remove it in June nor this last time.

This is due to the fact that I cannot alter my Sig file without removing most of what I have there - so I chose to leave it "as is".

ALSO...

Throughout the course of this experiment, if I see a significant change in the pages position, I check this and other forums as well as Rank Pulse (http://www.rankpulse.com/) to see if our change coincides with any other major movement in Google. (You will see links to such forum discussions in the Complete Report linked to above).

I have NOT found any such reports this morning.

Caryl

[SEbasic]

So do you think that the drop is as a direct result of the signatures being removed then?

It certianly looks that way.

[mcdar]

It certainly does look like this was the result of the sig link change.

The page as been "stable" in the serps for a while now so it dosn't appear that the change was just "normal flux".

I would like to see what happens over the course of the next few days to a week before we try to draw some conclusion.

We should expect that IF there is a change due to the removal of the Sig Links that the page will stabilize at some new lower position i.e. - where it is now or worse.

Caryl

[Smyrl]

I just put my signature links back up. I had dropped all but one. It has always appeared they help.

Shannon

[Foxy]

If this turns out to be the case I certainly will be one eating humble pie, as it will prove counter to that which I have seen on my own sites and which may be proven here to have been from other factors or that Google was pissing around with these links over this period of time. I'm going to put back the famous weber bbqs and will do a comparison.

[Patient]

If this can be proven to be wholly the result of removing the signature links then what conclusions can we draw?

We appear to be talking about a large quantity of links from just 2 domains!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/24/2004 [27 DCs #4, 3 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[SEbasic]

Still no movement...
Do you think it's going to slip again (3DC's reporting #11)

[mcdar]

SEbasic -

No, most datacenters are still at #10 BUT 3 datcenters showing placement at #11 is not a good sign.

It does look like it may slide off of the first page of the results.

--------------------------
Patient -

It will be evidence that Signature Links are effective and can be an asset to an overall linking strategy.

They probably would NOT be effective as the sole source or primary source of your links, however.

I would like to add here that over the course of this experiment I do think we have proven that

- Links from sites with different "themes" ARE effective. (the experiment page has 99% of it's links coming from sites that are not the same theme)

-- I have never been convinced that Google considers themes when it comes to Backlinks

- Unvaried anchor text is not penalized by Google. (the experiment page has 100% of it's anchor text exactly the same)

---------------------------

Note: This morning Google has 6 additional Datacenters down.

What are they up to now???????

Caryl

[SEbasic]

What are they up to now???????Who knows...

I never do...

Have the sigs gone back up again yet?
Do you think that could increase the rankings again?

[mcdar]

No, the links have not gone back up yet - it is much too early for such a move.

We have yet to determine if we have seen the full effect of their removal.

We need to wait and see what position the page will stabilize at before we make any other changes.

[compar]

I'm still having a problem ascribing this current drop to the removal of the sig links. Do you really think Google would have devalued the page while still essentailly reporting the original number of links in their index?

I personaly don't think they even know the sig links have been removed yet. On an allied subject think about Shawn's Coop Network which appears to be so successful. Ever link the network puts up is immediately withdrawn on the next refresh of the page, but Google is reporting many of them as backlinks. So it is my conclusion that Google is much slower detecting and reacting to links that are taken down than they are to finding and indexing new links.

Now maybe that isn't entirely true either. We know they find new links quickly but the sandbox effect is all about the time it takes for them to promote the site based on links. So maybe we have a sandbox effect with removed links also.

But until I see the links disappear from their index I'll have a problem believing that their removal has had any effect at all.

[dazzlindonna]

compar, i think its more a matter of google not updating its reporting of links, but is aware of the removals.

[mcdar]

I just did the search on Google for site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags (the search I use every morning)

Then start looking at the "last cached" dates of some of the pages returned.

here is one of the first I checked... (highlighting is mine)

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=421&goto=nextnewest as retrieved on May 13, 2004 09:02:42 GMT.
G o o g l e's cache is the snapshot that we took of the page as we crawled the web.
The page may have changed since that time. Click here for the current page without highlighting.
This cached page may reference images which are no longer available. Click here for the cached text only.
To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:yn9ieAMxtLwJ:forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D421%26goto%3Dnextnewest+site:forums.digitalpoint.com+%2Bsleeping+bags&hl=en


Bob,

If you click on the actual link Google returns, "sleeping bags" is nowhere to be found on the page"! If you click on the cached version of the page, the keyword appears 3 times, in your signature.

You had 3 posts on that cached page PLUS the sleeping bags link was in your signature! You have removed the link twice since that date.

Do you think that we have to wait until Google finally gets around to updating this page and others that are similarly outdated BEORE we will see any difference in the serps as the result of the sig link removal?

The one main problem we have is that we cannot be sure WHERE Google is drawing it's data from and how current that information is, to calculate results.

A MAJOR problem we have here is that there is no way of really telling just what links Google is counting and how "Updated" or "Outdated" they are!

One thing does seem to be certain. Google is much more adept at collecting "NEW" data than it is at discarding old data.

NOTE: I had never looked at the cache dates for this search before and found it to be very interesting :eek:

Caryl

[Smyrl]

Interesting.

Shannon

[compar]

I just did the search on Google for site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags (the search I use every morning)

Then start looking at the "last cached" dates of some of the pages returned.

here is one of the first I checked... (highlighting is mine)

Bob,

If you click on the actual link Google returns, "sleeping bags" is nowhere to be found on the page"! If you click on the cached version of the page, the keyword appears 3 times, in your signature.

So obviously the Google site: search reports the information in the cache. As I'm sure the allinanchor: also reports. Now why would Google present these result for their standard search parameters and then use something totally different in their SERP placement algorithms??

I just don't believe that they do. Because if they do then all the conclusions we have drawn about the correlation between Allinanchor: and Allinurl: etc and SERP placement are totally meaningless.

You had 3 posts on that cached page PLUS the sleeping bags link was in your signature! You have removed the link twice since that date.

Do you think that we have to wait until Google finally gets around to updating this page and others that are similarly outdated BEORE we will see any difference in the serps as the result of the sig link removal?

YES!

The one main problem we have is that we cannot be sure WHERE Google is drawing it's data from and how current that information is, to calculate results.

I repeat myself, but why would they present all this cached copy data for the searches discussed above and then ignore it, or use a different set of data for themselves. Doesn't make any sense to me.

A MAJOR problem we have here is that there is no way of really telling just what links Google is counting and how "Updated" or "Outdated" they are!

One thing does seem to be certain. Google is much more adept at collecting "NEW" data than it is at discarding old data.

So at least we agree on that!

NOTE: I had never looked at the cache dates for this search before and found it to be very interesting :eek:
Caryl
The question is, beyond interesting what the hell does it mean?


NOTE: My comments in BLUE.

[schlottke]

"I repeat myself, but why would they present all this cached copy data for the searches discussed above and then ignore it, or use a different set of data for themselves. Doesn't make any sense to me."

I would say there is a good chance google is using data that is from a different time, either a couple days newer, or up to weeks earlier. Using older data would make the sand box effect more effective, also wouldn't count the weight of hundreds of links all added at once... as these links get older (and those pages that they are on) you begin to see movement..

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/25/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/26/2004 [28 DCs #4, 2 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[a389951l]

I have done some spot checking on my network of sites and I wonder if the page is still in rotation within the coop ad network? I have not seen the page for some time now for the past several days.

This could be the reason for the drop in rankings. I wonder if NitinM can confirm for us.

[mcdar]

Thank you for checking on this for us!!!

I have found that Nitin has not signed onto this forum since November 13th so I will attempt to email him and ask if the page is still in the coop ad network.

Caryl

edited to add: Sent PM to Nitin

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/27/2004 [24 DCs #4, 6 DCs #5] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9

[Smyrl]

Congratulations on one step forward.

Shannon

[SEbasic]

Well, it's movement...

That could just be accounted to general flux in the results though.
Until that position sticks, I'll probabally still be sceptical

[Foxy]

I have done some spot checking on my network of sites and I wonder if the page is still in rotation within the coop ad network? I have not seen the page for some time now for the past several days.

This could be the reason for the drop in rankings. I wonder if NitinM can confirm for us.

You can check this by

link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

and just looking at the 3500+ links

There are numerous instances of network links there

[a389951l]

But that command does not check recent activity. So it could be possible that the links that you are seeing are a few weeks old. I checked a few and even on some of the cached listings sleeping bags does not appear.

[earlpearl]

I just finished reading the entire thread from front to back. Exhausting...but a great experiment...and terrific that it is in a forum where many could follow, assist, add comments and questions.

I'm not willing to do this...but it would be interesting to post some summary results...such as dates following significant changes in backlinks (quantity and quality- diversity of links) and dates where significant changes occurred...and solicit comments on reasons or guesses why this occurred.

It has been difficult to assess specific cause and effect. There were periods when the site has been in flux and google was in flux. At the very least the report can identify dates with significant changes in number of bls and dates when the site moved dramatically in serps.

Just think...it all started with questions about the relevance of anchortext, allinanchor rankings and serps.

BTW to date I've focused all my efforts on bls that are either themed or in directories. Guess I can rethink that somewhat.

Kudos to the participants.

Dave

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[Smyrl]

Eagerly await next installment.

Shannon

---------------
I beg your pardon for posting with nothing to say. I missed when we started to be able to make sequential post without incrementing post count. I was only posting so MdDar could make his daily report. Next time I expose my ignorance send me a PM.

Shannon

[a389951l]

Still waiting to hear back to see if McDar was able to contact NitinM. But I am pretty certain that ad is out of rotation from the network. Not 100% until it is confirmed of courst.

Maybe Shawn can check for us - in his spare time - well he is number #5 for ebay so maybe he can relax a bit more ;)?

This certainly taints the experiment of dropping the signature links if it is true.

[Foxy]

Still waiting to hear back to see if McDar was able to contact NitinM. But I am pretty certain that ad is out of rotation from the network. Not 100% until it is confirmed of courst.

Maybe Shawn can check for us - in his spare time - well he is number #5 for ebay so maybe he can relax a bit more ;)?

This certainly taints the experiment of dropping the signature links if it is true.

This is too early to make such an analysis - at the moment using

link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

There are still 3530 links - the same as the other day - irrespective of whether they may lag or whatever - that is one of the reasons that one must be careful about coming to any conclusions especially those concerning the network - the only way to check those is to visually look at the reported links - and those still show the network links.

Therefore no conclusions should be drawn or speculated on - only time will tell. :)

[a389951l]

I agree we cannot draw any firm conclusions yet. Waiting around is boring so why not make some maybe inaccurate conclusions from the data so far ;). And speculation is just that - speculation.

I am not so sure that using Google's cached results is the best measure of what Google counts as backlinks. Sure it is the only visible (yet poor) measure of Google backlinks.

Googleguy at another forum has stated the following in response the following question: "When changes made to a page are reflected in the cached version on Google, they are factored into the SERPS. "

"Typically yes, for on-page factors. Off-page factors can be updated asynchronously, though".

Source - http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/26497.htm

[mcdar]

This is too early to make such an analysis - at the moment using

link:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

There are still 3530 links - the same as the other day - irrespective of whether they may lag or whatever - that is one of the reasons that one must be careful about coming to any conclusions especially those concerning the network - the only way to check those is to visually look at the reported links - and those still show the network links.

Therefore no conclusions should be drawn or speculated on - only time will tell. :)

Foxy,

Using the "link:" search is not at all accurate as those totals only change when Google does it's much anticipated Backlink Update.

Nitin has not responded. His main site seems to be MIA right now and I found some forum discussion to indicate that it has been that way since at least the beginning of Dec. if not prior to that.

I would imagine that links to this experiment are not a priority in his life right now. If his involvement in the Ad co-op was connected to his main site, the links are undoubtably, gone now.

This is very unfortunate. Since Google was looking a little more stable these days, I thought we would finally have a chance at making a single change in this experiment that just might be isolated and evaluated without other uncontrollable factors obscurring the results.

We now have to "Assume" (not good for analysis) that both the sig links AND the Co-op links were removed at about the same time.

IMPORTANT - For any of those who have been following this experiment!

- One thing that has been "proven" over the last 8 months is the fact that ANY ATTEMPT TO EXPERIMENT with Google can never be totally controlled.

Therefore - ANY RESULTS and or conclusions drawn should be scrutinized be the readers. Many uncontrolled for and or unreported factors behind the scenes could also be the cause of the results NOT just what the experimenters were attempting to measure.

IF you have not noticed or have not checked it out prior to this, you may want to to take the time to look over the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm) that is also linked to in the daily Update to this experiment.

You will notice as you scan the daily "position" results, that there are several hyperlinks where significant changes have occured. Those links are there so ANYONE can go to forum discussions that were occurring on the same day indicating some major "event" going on with Google.

This is my attempt to be completely honest with the results of what we have witnessed in this experiment.

Without this "additional" information, we could have made some pretty bold assertions with our findings. Although, the assertions would have been TRUE, they would not have been entirely accurate.

Caryl

PS - now someone please post something so I can post today's (and yesterday's - sorry) UPDATE.

[compar]

Eagerly await next installment.

Shannon

---------------
I beg your pardon for posting with nothing to say. I missed when we started to be able to make sequential post without incrementing post count. I was only posting so MdDar could make his daily report.

BTW Smyrl McDar is a lady. Her name is Caryl. But I'm sure Caryl and all the rest of us thank you for your support and consideration for the thread and when you make it possible for her to post twice in a row, albeit that restriction has been lifted for the moment.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/28/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 -11/29/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -11/30/2004 [28 DCs #5, 2 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4130 - 11/21/2004
3510 - 11/22/2004
4060 - 11/23/2004
4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[Smyrl]

BTW Smyrl McDar is a lady. Her name is Caryl.

Caryl, no offense intended.

Bob, this has been very interesting experiment. As a result I believe all links are good.

Lifelong friend and ex-neighbor has had two horrid experiences with web developers. Due to closeness of friendship and lack of expertise I have hesitated to be involved but when she fell off the chart for her domain name I added it to my signature link and she reappeared. Just Since removing link she is rapidly falling again. I do not know php and have not experimented with ad network but after Christmas plan to do so.

Shannon

Hadley signature added.

[Patient]

Is there any way of confirming that the page is in/out of rotation on the coop network as this is a vital piece of info.

Does anyone following this thread know Shawn well enough to ask him?

[zamolxes]

I've checked a few of the ad_network_ads.txt and I would say that almost certainly the "sleeping bags" links are not being displayed on the coop network at the moment.

[compar]

Bob, this has been very interesting experiment. As a result I believe all links are good.
Yes, I agree. From time to time there seems to be evidence that Google is using some thematic evaluation in regards to links, and then you look at this experiment where I would hasten to say that probably not one single link is on a thematically related page, and the page is ranked in the top ten.

In any case never turn down a link. It may not do you a lot of good, but I don't think any link can ever hurt you.

[Foxy]

Yes, I agree. From time to time there seems to be evidence that Google is using some thematic evaluation in regards to links, and then you look at this experiment where I would hasten to say that probably not one single link is on a thematically related page, and the page is ranked in the top ten.

In any case never turn down a link. It may not do you a lot of good, but I don't think any link can ever hurt you.

I'll bet you never thought you would see me saying this Bob, but I totally agree!

On another note but leading on from this - if the ads have been withdrawn from the network [as for seeing them, that is a bit like catch the greasy pig] then one would normally expect the page to drop to where it was before they went. This has not happened - but at the 'same' time the number of links from the donators has increased [almost doubled] from 420 to 797.

Perhaps this is an indication of the spread/quantity argument?

[mcdar]

I'll bet you never thought you would see me saying this Bob, but I totally agree!

On another note but leading on from this - if the ads have been withdrawn from the network [as for seeing them, that is a bit like catch the greasy pig] then one would normally expect the page to drop to where it was before they went. This has not happened - but at the 'same' time the number of links from the donators has increased [almost doubled] from 420 to 797.

Perhaps this is an indication of the spread/quantity argument?

I hate to do this again, Foxy

BUT - According to my records Nitin added this page to the network on 10/12/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=127&pp=10) and the following was reported in the complete report for that same day...

Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****

So, indeed, we have dropped back to where we were prior to the Ad Network links. :rolleyes:

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/01/2004 [27 DCs #5, 3 DCs #6] ****
Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

4050 - 11/24/2004
682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3090 - 12/11/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[Foxy]

I hate to do this again, Foxy

BUT - According to my records Nitin added this page to the network on 10/12/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=127&pp=10) and the following was reported in the complete report for that same day...

Postion #11 allinanchor: #2 - 10/12/2004 [1 DC #10, 29 DCs #11, 2 DCs #12] ****

So, indeed, we have dropped back to where we were prior to the Ad Network links. :rolleyes:

Caryl

Well I didn't remember it that way, which is why I posted the above - so I went back and looked, and here is the grab from the day we hit #2 because of the coops influence - and it was how I remembered it:

[compar]

Well I didn't remember it that way, which is why I posted the above - so I went back and looked, and here is the grab from the day we hit #2 because of the coops influence - and it was how I remembered it:
Foxy, I think you and McDar are both right.

Caryl is saying that prior to the coop ads, 10/12/2004, the page was at #11. And assuming the coop ads have been removed we have returned to approximately the same ranking.

I think you are saying that it took approx. 2 weeks for the coop ads to push the page higher and that that first happened on 10/27/2004. And I'm sure you agree that the lose of coop ads is the most probably cause for the drop of the page to its current position in the SERPs.

So what is the conflict between the two positions?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #5 allinanchor: #2 -12/02/2004 [All Datacenters] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3090 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #10

[mcdar]

So, what the heck is up with Google? Is this part of the "new Google" rhythm?

When the sig links were removed in June, it took 14 days for the search to go from 403o to 197.

4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004

It has now been nearly a month since Bob and Foxy have, once again, removed the same links and we are lingering in some sort of "limbo" with most of the long gone links still being reported.

This certainly indicates some kind of change. It is a real shame that we have no way to do a similar search for the Ad network links. If we did, would they still be showing?

Afterall, many of us here now agree that the recent drop the experiment page took was most likely due to the loss of the network links.

This would be interesting data to have - DAMN!

Caryl

Edited to add:

I just did a little "spot checking" on the links returned on the Link:www... search for the experiment page. I used a number of the "chatabout..." sites reported in that search and did a Site:www. chatabout...com +"sleeping bags" on them and found no incidences where pages were being returned due to a link to the experiment page. REMEMBER this was just a spot check. I only did it with a few sites. BUT when I did the same search on this forum, the results returned MANY pages where sleeping bags was found only in Bob's of Foxy's signature.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/03/2004 [1 DC #9, 29 DCs #10] ****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3090 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
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PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
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[earlpearl]

Not sure. Do you need another post before reposting.

Dave

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/04/2004 [21 DC #10, 3 DCs #11] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3090 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

422 - 11/14/2004
428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9

[Foxy]

Not sure. Do you need another post before reposting.

Dave

Thanks - it seems to have been turned off at the mo :) Happy Days

[Patient]

Hi All

I guess that by now we can be pretty certain that the page is out of rotation in the ad network.

Partly in order to test this for myself and partly to test the same IP link myth? I would like to donate a link to this page from > 100 domains on the same IP address.

Would you be interested at this point? Are you planning any other changes that would invalidate this test?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**
****32 DCs are NOT responding**
*****36 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/05/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/06/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/07/2004 [20 DCs #9, 4 DCs #10] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/08/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/09/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/10/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/11/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/12/2004 [22 DCs #10, 2 DC #6] *****
Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 -12/13/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/14/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
Postion #9 allinanchor: #2 -12/15/2004 [All Datacenters] *****
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

105 - 11/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
110 - 11/09/2004
109 - 11/10/2004
114 - 11/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
112 - 11/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

682 - 11/25/2004
3400 - 11/26/2004
3250 - 11/27/2004
3100 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3110 - 11/30/2004
3100 - 12/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3090 - 12/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

771 - 11/21/2004
Unchanged from previous date
774 - 11/24/2004
771 - 11/25/2004
766 - 11/26/2004
756 - 11/27/2004
746 - 11/28/2004
Unchanged from previous date
742 - 11/30/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#22 - 08/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#14 - 08/24/2004
#19 - 08/26/2004
Defunct: This search no longer relevant
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

428 - 11/21/2004
421 - 11/25/2004
420 - 11/26/2004
710 - 11/29/2004
737 - 11/30/2004
747 - 12/04/2004
761 - 12/08/2004
797 - 12/10/2004
824 - 12/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ November 25 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
3530 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 901 of 981)

170 for Digitalpoint forums
12 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ October 27 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
469 Backlinks
___________

~ September 11 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
566 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 549 of 566)
20 of Caryl's links
10 of Bob's Links
9 of "August 18th" Links
480 for Digitalpoint forums
30 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 30 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
457 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 449 of 457)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
401 for Digitalpoint forums
23 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ August 9 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
85 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 84 of 85)
13 of Caryl's links
13 of Bob's Links
0 of Foxy's Links
20 for Digitalpoint forums
28 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in 113 of 129)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

~ Highest Positions Attained ~

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
(No signature links had been used at this point - may have been "honeymoon period")

Postion #14 allinanchor: #2 - 08/24/2004 [9 DCs #13, 21 DCs #14] ****

Postion #12 allinanchor: #2 - 10/04/2004 [10 DCs #11, 22 DCs #12] ****

Postion #10 allinanchor: #2 - 10/06/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #4 allinanchor: #2 - 10/21/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

Postion #2 allinanchor: #2 - 10/27/2004 [All Datacenters] ****

__________________
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