McDar Experiment

[mcdar]

Foxy,

I fixed the "address" problem on the tool.

Bob & Foxy,

Please email me with the sites you have placed links to experiment2 on.

Thanks,
Caryl

[Foxy]

Foxy,

I fixed the "address" problem on the tool.

Bob & Foxy,

Please email me with the sites you have placed links to experiment2 on.

Thanks,
Caryl

Shall I leave that to Bob as we are using his 'grouping' of 15 - he may already have done that.

[mcdar]

Foxy,

I am asking if you have placed the links TO the experimental pages (other than in you sig), if you would let me know what sites they are on.

Thanks,
Caryl

[Foxy]

I've sent you a PM

[schlottke]

Something I just remembered about my position dropping- not sure if they are related or not, but I added links on all of my pop up image pages:

allinurl:www.jrwrestling.com/catalog/popup_image.php

around 200 PR1 or PR2 pages.. Perhaps this is causing the quick drop?

[mcdar]

schlottke,

I have had EVERY page that I have pointed additional links to, fall in the serps! This started around mid May.

I must say I am now a little "gun shy". But, I have resolved that if I want some keywords to place well for christmas, I had better "optimize" now so in 3 months they may be "out of the woods".

BTW - You had mentioned previously that you would volunteer some links to our new experimental pages. Is that offer still open?

If so, you can copy and paste the following...
<a href="http://www.online-poker-rooms.nu/poker-games.html">Online Poker Games</a>
&nbsp; <a href="http://www.zplus2.com/poker-games.html">Online Poker Games</a>

Please let us know if you link to this experiment. i.e. How many links, Location, type (webpage or signature)

Thanks,
Caryl

[compar]

Something I just remembered about my position dropping- not sure if they are related or not, but I added links on all of my pop up image pages:

allinurl:www.jrwrestling.com/catalog/popup_image.php

around 200 PR1 or PR2 pages.. Perhaps this is causing the quick drop?
Can you explain exactly what you are trying to do with these pop up images? As I see it these are internal links at best.

I don't think anybody has ever suggested a sandbox or negative affect from internal links.

Also I don't understand the refereence to PR1 or PR2 pages. Which pages are you talking about? The popup pages don't have any PR value do they? So in that case you must be talking about the target pages. What relevance has that got to anything?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #24 allinanchor: #5 - 06/06/2004 [ 10 DCs #25, 2 DCs #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #5 - 06/07/2004 [ 1 DC #26] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[compar]

Some speculative analysis of today's sleeping bags results.

1. We have never been able to explain the initial drop from a position in the teens -- I think we got to 16 or 17 -- to a position in the high twenties. Nothing had changed at that point in time except of course forum sig links were being added daily.

2. We have speculated that the drop on 06/12/2004 from 30 to 46 was probably precipitated by Alek's removal of his single PR7 link, ten days earlier. We do not believe it was associated with the removal of sig links because Google was still reporting the total amount of sig links on the 12th even though they had been removed on the 11th.

3. Google started to report lower numbers of sig links on the 14th, but even today the number reported is far higher than the actual number that exist.

I have always believed that Google is slower taking links down, and dropping a page's relevance as a consequence, than they are recognizing them and evaluating a page for them.

If the drop mentioned in point 2. above was due to the loss of the PR7 link then this is pretty fast and immediate. However we had a drop of about the same magitutude (point 1.) previously, for which we have no explanation, so we may be in error attributing the drop of point 2. to the PR7 link.

But if Google is on an approximately 10 day schedule for dropped links then we should expect to see the impact of the dropped sig links around the 21st of the month.

Comment?

[mcdar]

Bob,

You bring up some very valid points!

I believe Google made some significant changes at the time of our first "jump" as I seem to remember speculating when "someone would name it". But now I will have to go back and dig.

Yes, I would think your reasoning sound in that, approximately 10 days after the loss of 1000+ sig links, we should expect some change in serps. IF, the previous drop was due soley to the loss of the PR7 link.

ALSO, your post made me realize that it will be most difficult, due to the length of this thread, to go back and find our comments when significant changes have occurred.

I think I will go through the thread today and collect the pertinant posts and copy those to html pages that will be linked to from the external, complete report that accompanies the daily update.

This may prove to be an ambitious task to accomplish, but I think it is absolutely neccessary to have this information readily available for any current and future evaluations.

Caryl

[Foxy]

I have mentioned elsewhere that some significant changes happened at this time, 12th May, in Google but what I found interesting was that nobody else saw this [which worried me] - in fact I only saw it about a week later [it was very subtle] by looking at the charts in KWT and I have published one here

[mcdar]

Foxy,

Your March and May spikes seem to correspond to the spikes show on

Rank Pulse (http://www.rankpulse.com/) which indicates major changes in Google.

It is odd that when these things occur nowdays, there seems to be little discussion about it. At least not enough discussion to gather clues as to what Google is doing or has done.

Maybe the lack of discussion is because most are left just scratching their heads.

I have noted previously in this thread, that where we have seen drops in serps, many others have reported similar drops at the same time.

It is very hard to separate the effects of our changes and the effects of Googles changes.

Perhaps, this is a good thing that we are putting up two more experimental pages. It may help us see "Google effects" on all.

Caryl

[Foxy]

Yep ....... :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[nadlay]

Interesting that this has pop back up today. I've spent an hour or so reading through the early posts - it's a very enlightening thread.

I'm going to try and finish reading next 50 pages this evening (I'm only up to page 25 so far)

[nadlay]

Just now reached page 78 - wow, that was a marathon.

But it was interesting.

Have you discovered why sleeping bags page has fallen yet?

[mcdar]

We moved mcdar.net to a new server and have since been having technical difficulties with our tools. :(

I have temporarily installed working copies on a different website.

Google Datacenter Watch Tool (http://www.mcdar.com/dance/index.php)

and

Keyword Analysis Tool (http://www.mcdar.com/keywordtool/keywordtool.asp) - edited to say reg copy now working!

Sorry for the inconvenience!

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/08/2004 [ 3 DC #27] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/09/2004 [ All DCs] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [ 3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/7/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/8/2004 (All datacenters)
57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3750 - 6/6/2004
3790 - 6/7/2004
3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

452 - 6/6/2004
431 - 6/7/2004
414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[Foxy]

I have a feeling that those 29 dcs have had their address altered or are not being used - what do you think?

Otherwise interesting that it [he/she] has moved positively again :D

[Foxy]

Just now reached page 78 - wow, that was a marathon.

But it was interesting.

Have you discovered why sleeping bags page has fallen yet?

Have you? :)

Good thread though Huh? :D

Anyhows it has started moving back up at this moment - what you should do, if you want, is track the "Weber BBQs" as a comparison - and although we [as a group] did not set it up as a control, I sort of did, and, although not perfect [as a control], it does show some interesting [very] other attributes because the kw phrase is not competitive at all. [Control meaning in this instance something that stays stable without change and without undue competition so it is as much as is possible not influenced by other factors]

But well done for reading it all - I can tell you that I have read it through again and I am about to do it again as I find myself going back to pages to refresh the braincells [those that are left] so that I can remember what we are currently about! :D

[Foxy]

:D :D

There I've done it :D

I've got two in a row

I wanted to put three in a row and the MOV said NO!.... :p

In fact I cannot add another!!!

So ...thats it!

[nadlay]

I really enjoyed reading it.

In fact, I've really enjoyed this whole forum.

I've probably learned more on this forum in the last two weeks since I joined, than in all the last 8 years on the internet.

[Foxy]

That is a very kind post :)

For me this forum has a far more integrated, investigative, interest than any other I have been involved with and, hopefully, it can stay that way!

Again we must thank Shawn for making it available but equally the credit must also stay with the contributors as Shawn acknowledges as it is they like you who make it. Thanks from me to you for being here too.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________[/QUOTE]

[compar]

The quick conclusion that one could jump to is that the forum sig links were hurting the site? It will be interesting to see if the improvement in SERP placement continues as the number of links indexed continue to diminish.

[Foxy]

The quick conclusion that one could jump to is that the forum sig links were hurting the site? It will be interesting to see if the improvement in SERP placement continues as the number of links indexed continue to diminish.

I was about to write the same...great minds think alike?

Lol

[mcdar]

The page dropped from #30 to #46 on 6/12.

It really has only varied +/- 3 positions since then. (high #49 and Low #43)

So, this may only be normal Google Flux. We will see as days roll by if it continues to drift further.

Caryl

[mcdar]

I would like to bring up a very strange example of unexplained Google changes.

I have a page that is somewhat optimized for the keywords Camping Equipment.

This page has NOT been touched since January. No links have been added.

I started tracking this page in April with Shawn's Keyword Tracker. Please note the WILD position changes.

Date Rank
Jun 21, 2004 43
Jun 20, 2004 123
Jun 19, 2004 123
Jun 18, 2004 123
Jun 17, 2004 122
Jun 16, 2004 152
Jun 15, 2004 152
Jun 14, 2004 152
Jun 13, 2004 152
Jun 12, 2004 147
Jun 11, 2004 148
Jun 10, 2004 152
Jun 9, 2004 154
Jun 8, 2004 154
Jun 7, 2004 154
Jun 6, 2004 158
Jun 5, 2004 159
Jun 4, 2004 156
Jun 3, 2004 155
Jun 2, 2004 153
Jun 1, 2004 154
May 31, 2004 153
May 30, 2004 156
May 28, 2004 157
May 27, 2004 155
May 26, 2004 155
May 25, 2004 155
May 24, 2004 153
May 22, 2004 79
May 21, 2004 80
May 20, 2004 79
May 19, 2004 104
May 18, 2004 78
May 17, 2004 80
May 16, 2004 72
May 15, 2004 72
May 14, 2004 68
May 13, 2004 72
May 12, 2004 54
May 11, 2004 39
May 10, 2004 39
May 9, 2004 41
May 8, 2004 48
May 7, 2004 69
May 6, 2004 68
May 5, 2004 78
May 4, 2004 71
May 3, 2004 68
May 2, 2004 67
May 1, 2004 29
Apr 30, 2004 51
Apr 29, 2004 41
Apr 28, 2004 41
Apr 27, 2004 28
Apr 26, 2004 51
Apr 25, 2004 52
Apr 24, 2004 34
Apr 22, 2004 53
Apr 21, 2004 71
Apr 20, 2004 73
Apr 19, 2004 76
Apr 18, 2004 73
Apr 17, 2004 73
Apr 16, 2004 107
Apr 15, 2004 74
Apr 14, 2004 75
Apr 13, 2004 76
Apr 12, 2004 71
Apr 11, 2004 75

Mind you, all of these changes had soley to do with GOOGLE! I have made no internal or external (links) to this page!

Caryl

[dazzlindonna]

I have a few like that as well. Basically, any of my kw phrases that are weak due to lack of attention (haven't gone out and gotten backlinks with those phrases, etc), fluctuate wildly like this. If given a tad bit more attention, they'd get more stable, I think. I don't know why it is so, but weak kws tend to do this.

[mcdar]

Hi Donna!

It seems counter-intuitive that weak pages would randomly fluctuate to such "good positions" at all.

You'd think they would fluctuate from poor to nowhere and back, but not poor to good and back!

Would you agree?

Caryl

[compar]

I have a few like that as well. Basically, any of my kw phrases that are weak due to lack of attention (haven't gone out and gotten backlinks with those phrases, etc), fluctuate wildly like this. If given a tad bit more attention, they'd get more stable, I think. I don't know why it is so, but weak kws tend to do this.
I can show you results from two sites that have very strong anchor text/keywords that fluxuate exactly like that. In fact one of the sites keeps falling off Shawn's results altogether.

I know that only means that it isn't in the top 200 pages, not that it isn't in the top 10,000 as Shawn's tracker would seem to indicate. Nevertheless it is frustrating and annoying when in fact substantial work has been done to strengthen the keywords.

[dazzlindonna]

Yes, compar, didn't mean to imply it couldn't happen with strong keywords. But it seems to happen much more consistently with weak ones - at least for the 60 or so phrases I track.

[leeds1]

I have something I can't explain.

I have a site that has absolutely no backlinks as it's a site I will develop later - I wanted to park it in G to avoid any time penalties.

Anyways, I thought I ought to pass somebacklinks to it so the pages don't disappear completely so I added it to my sig here.

That was a week ago and it has not been spidered at all.

This may explain something with your sleeping bags experiment - I have a theory on this but I need to test something else out first

[leeds1]

The quick conclusion that one could jump to is that the forum sig links were hurting the site? It will be interesting to see if the improvement in SERP placement continues as the number of links indexed continue to diminish.

I did suggest this about 300 posts ago but was laughed at :D

Have a look at the post above and this may explain part of the reason. As I say I have a theory I'm going to test out today and let you know in a few days. I bet I can get my site spidered from a forum - but not this one (nor my own)

[compar]

I did suggest this about 300 posts ago but was laughed at :D

Have a look at the post above and this may explain part of the reason. As I say I have a theory I'm going to test out today and let you know in a few days. I bet I can get my site spidered from a forum - but not this one (nor my own)
I hope I wasn't the one who laughed at you.

I am starting to suspect that sig links are of little or no value. Why don't you try putting the link to your site in the body of a message you post to this forum. Maybe content links still work.

[leeds1]

Bob

My theory is that G ignores links where the word "forum(s)" exist in the URL.

I also had this site listed on another forum but the url did not contain that word. I assume I was spidered from there. I added it back today and I'll let you know.

That's why I think seochat is worth something - but nothing here - not even in the body (as I added into a body message last week and nothing)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [ All DCs ] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/12/2004 [3 DCs #44, 8 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[compar]

So much for the improvement Foxy and I were seeing yesterday.

[T0PS3O]

I hope I wasn't the one who laughed at you.

I am starting to suspect that sig links are of little or no value. Why don't you try putting the link to your site in the body of a message you post to this forum. Maybe content links still work.

I tried to right click - view source on this forum to see if G could determine which text is content and which is sig by means of reading the html but it seems like source viewing is blocked. Is that done by Vbulletin, by Shawn or is it just me?

If G does discriminate between the two types of links than the only way to do so is by figuring it out from the plain html isn't it?

[leeds1]

I could "view source" no probs

Interestingly the HTML for my post above has this :

<!-- sig -->
<div>
__________________<br />
<a href="http://www.marketing-plan.co.uk" target="_blank">Marketing plans</a>
</div>
<!-- / sig -->

[T0PS3O]

Weird but thanks, that is exactly what I wanted to find out.

I still can't view source, not in a fresh browser either, and on all other sites I can!

Anyway, with that <!-- sig --> comment, G could indeed filter them out if they wanted.

[leeds1]

Well I added my link to the other forum that doesn't have "forum(s)" in the url and my site was successfully spidered yesterday - theory proved I think

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/13/2004 [3 DCs #46, 11 DCs #48] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[compar]

The improvement in 'allinanchor:' is interesting. With the exception of the couple of extra links from my site, we are removing links not adding them. If these links were being indexed you would think that our 'allinanchor:' would be falling.

[leeds1]

interestingly, no links showed up to my site in this latest G update from this forum

[compar]

Well I added my link to the other forum that doesn't have "forum(s)" in the url and my site was successfully spidered yesterday - theory proved I think
Let me be sure I understand your theory. You are not saying that pages from sites using "forum" in their URL are not being crawled and indexed, but only that all links from these pages are ignored. Is that correct?

[Arnica]

The improvement in 'allinanchor:' is interesting. With the exception of the couple of extra links from my site, we are removing links not adding them. If these links were being indexed you would think that our 'allinanchor:' would be falling.
There is something interesting in that more higher PR backlinks are being registered from the forum even though they have been removed from the sigs?! Not wanting to kick off another PR debate but perhaps the remaining backlinks are being given a greater significance?

Mick

[Arnica]

interestingly, no links showed up to my site in this latest G update from this forum
Strange I've seen an increase in forum backlinks this update.

[mcdar]

interestingly, no links showed up to my site in this latest G update from this forum

leeds1,

How long have you had the link in your signature?

Please NOTE: Alek's PR7 link was removed on June 2, 2004 BUT it is still reported as a backlink to the experimental page 20 days after it was removed!

This would suggest that the new updated backlinks are NOT as current as we would like to think. :rolleyes:

[edited: to add that I have another page that had 24 links just added yesterday. However, no new links where acquired to the page between this update and the last one on May 31!]

Caryl

[leeds1]

I had them in for months but changed them on Monday - the new sig doesn't show up either - don't know if that's an issue or not ?

[mcdar]

It is also important to note that "All Forum Signature Links are Not Created Equal".

Between this update and last, the experimental page had as many as 4060 and as few as 945 signature links from this forum.

However, only 149 made their way into the new backlink update. (64 new since last update)

[mcdar]

I also just discovered that Alek's page is now a PR6. When (durring the last 22 days) this change occurred is anybody's guess.

So, the effects on the experimental page, if that link were still in place, is hard to say.

But, it is important to realize that these PR changes happen to pages linking to all of our sites probably all the time. This could be a reason for fluctuations in the serps that go unexplained.

Linking, at best, is like a house of cards, one change can have an effect a great many other sites!

[mcdar]

EXPERIMENT 2

Experiment to was "off the ground" on 6/11/2004

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Although links are starting to show up for these pages (664 links to be precise), it is interesting to note that...

1). No links were reported in the update

2). Neither have made it into the top 1000 results for any of the keyword phrases.

Does this strike anyone else as odd :confused:

[leeds1]

Out of interest - do you get anything from your paypal donate button ?

[mcdar]

Out of interest - do you get anything from your paypal donate button ?

not much :(

I am going to rent out the space for advertising.

[Foxy]

EXPERIMENT 2

Experiment to was "off the ground" on 6/11/2004

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Although links are starting to show up for these pages (664 links to be precise), it is interesting to note that...

1). No links were reported in the update

2). Neither have made it into the top 1000 results for any of the keyword phrases.

Does this strike anyone else as odd :confused:

Very odd - remember my PM and the "new page" on Saturday? - well it continues to rise!!! - Also I had another site that I was getting particularly fed up with, with "modular homes", and so I thought I would just "go for it" with "flatpack homes" [it is not competitive at all - therefore no risk] on php driven pages that I hacked together last week - no links pointing at them, no anchors - guesss....sss what? No1+2???

So I am going to take out of my signature the Modular Homes and see what happens.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

I have made a spreadsheet to use to capture data for Experiment 2. (see attached)

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Also interesting to note:

Foxy's Page is #12 allinanchor for Online Poker Games and #24 allinanchor for Poker Games!

Bob's Page is #223 allinanchor for Online Poker Games and #405 allinanchor for Poker Games! ( I looked this up manually as the tool only looks in top 100)

:eek: These two pages are suppose to have the EXACT same links to them!

I did notice that Foxy's title is Poker Games and Bob's title is Online Poker Games

BUT... What could the reason be for such a huge difference in position?

Any thoughts?

Note: Regarding spreadsheet - Keywords are different tabs along the bottom of spreadsheet!

Caryl

[hulkster]

leeds1,
Please NOTE: Alek's PR7 link was removed on June 2, 2004 BUT it is still reported as a backlink to the experimental page 20 days after it was removed!

This would suggest that the new updated backlinks are NOT as current as we would like to think. :rolleyes:

Caryl


FYI FWIW: I noticed this with another external link I removed a few weeks ago also, so yea, this is puzzling - implies some old back link data (my main page is spidered basically daily), so they DO have the latest content from the main page, but why do they still show back links that were removed weeks ago?!?

And someone else commented that www.komar.org is now PR6 ... yea, it dropped from PR7 on the update a few days ago - so sad - I may have to send the Hulk out to do some Google SMASHING! ;-)

alek

[Arnica]

:eek: These two pages are suppose to have the EXACT same links to them!

I did notice that Foxy's title is Poker Games and Bob's title is Online Poker Games

BUT... What could the reason be for such a huge difference in position?

Any thoughts?


I've had a suspicion for a while that Google applies some 'additional' dampening when the domain name contains the anchor text words but thought that it would only be relevant in the actual SERPs not the allinanchor placement.

Of course it is only a thought but it does seem to be the obvious difference between the two pages.

Mick

[Foxy]

If you look at the tool at the page at 12 it is the index page, which was themed [I changed it away from themed last night] - that is it had online poker in the title and text - and had the one link to the page we are testing.

If you test the link: to the page tested it comes back with 0
If you test @ to the page tested it comes back with 6 and notice that the links are from inside the posts in the forum

If you test the link: to the index page it comes back with 24 but notice that the links are from the signature from this forum
If you test @ to the index page it comes back with 82

[Remember also that this site is only just now, this update, PR3 and can hardly be more with only one non forum link]

[mcdar]

Foxy,

The page returned on the Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp) tool is the poker-games.html page. The legend at the bottom of the tool says "--- "Mouse Over" URL to view actual page returned in results ---".

The tool displays only the main url of the site due to the length of urls.

Caryl

Speaking of forum signature links...

Look at today's update!!! :eek: Think that has to do with the loss of all those "worthless" forum links?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/14/2004 [4 DCs #44, 10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/15/2004 [12 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

57 - 6/9/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
58 - 6/12/2004 (All datacenters)
59 - 6/13/2004 (All datacenters)
58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - 6/12/2004
4030 - 6/13/2004
3890 - 6/14/2004
3870 - 6/15/2004
2710[/COLOR] - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

414 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
397 - 6/10/2004
374 - 6/11/2004
Unchanged from previous date
368 - 6/14/2004
367 - 6/15/2004
351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#17 - 06/6/2004
#19 - 06/7/2004
#20 - 06/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#22 - 06/11/2004
#40 - 06/12/2004
#42 - 06/13/2004
#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[Foxy]

Well blow me - mind you my "control" disappeared out of site the other day, and is still not back, and I had my signature link at the time - I removed it last night.

We shall wait and see

[mcdar]

Note that today's reported links from this forum is 401 and my total posts equal 403

Foxy's and Bob's total posts equal 1490 as of today.

How did the reported links from this forum ever reach 4060?

None the less...

We started adding the forum links on May 6th. Here was where we were when the sig links started to come into play...

Position #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/06/2004 [All datacenters]

sig links reported the same day: 217 - 5/06/2004

Then on May 15th - 16th...

Position #15 allinanchor: #5 - 05/15/2004 [12 datacenters #19] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs
Position #27 allinanchor: #5 - 05/16/2004 [11 datacenters #31] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 12 DCs

Sig links reported those two days...
2950 - 5/15/2004
3100 - 5/16/2004

We actually started to lose ground even then. :confused:

[Foxy]

As for my Poker result I think I might do SEO seriously soon....lol :D

[hulkster]

Just be careful if you end up with a pair of Aces and a pair of Eights ... ;-)

alek

[Arnica]

Note that today's reported links from this forum is 401 and my total posts equal 403

Foxy's and Bob's total posts equal 1490 as of today.

How did the reported links from this forum ever reach 4060?

Because each post is propagated across several pages - single page view, next in thread page, archive pages, etc. Not quite sure how many 'pages' are generated by vBulletin but Google generally picks up a couple for each post.

Mick

[leeds1]

correct - the archives will double everything for starters

[mcdar]

Originally Posted by mcdar
Note that today's reported links from this forum is 401 and my total posts equal 403


Thanks Guys,

That might explain why the report got up to 4060. But why is it now lower than my actual number of posts?

Caryl

edited to add: and today's results are now 197 links reported from this forum!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_______________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

2710 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[Arnica]

Thanks Guys,

That might explain why the report got up to 4060. But why is it now lower than my actual number of posts?

Caryl

edited to add: and today's results are now 197 links reported from this forum!
Not all the sig links actually get picked up by Google. I changed my sig about a month ago and only about one quarter of my posts show up in google searching for site:forums.digitalpoint.com +newkeywordinsig.

Mick

[Mel]

Nice forum and very interesting thread, all 800 posts of it and one of the few I have seen that has conducted and research as detailed as this.

Can someone who is up to date on the big picture provide a synonsis of what has been learned/deduced so far?

[Foxy]

Nice forum and very interesting thread, all 800 posts of it and one of the few I have seen that has conducted and research as detailed as this.

Can someone who is up to date on the big picture provide a synonsis of what has been learned/deduced so far?

Hi Mel welcome to the forum and to this thread - have you read all 800 posts? It is time consuming but well worth it - I have already reread it once to keep on track, Compar [who seems to be away at the moment] was suggesting that we "weed it out" a little, but it seemed to be a bit too time consuming for all of us. McDar is fishing [at the weekends].

So have a read and maybe we may summarise soon. :)

[Arnica]

Bob

My theory is that G ignores links where the word "forum(s)" exist in the URL.

I also had this site listed on another forum but the url did not contain that word. I assume I was spidered from there. I added it back today and I'll let you know.

That's why I think seochat is worth something - but nothing here - not even in the body (as I added into a body message last week and nothing)
Not the case. I'm helping some school kids with a new site and added a sig link on Wednesday or Thursday (bit frazzled so can't remember exactly which day). The site is only linked by my sig and Google first spidered it last night.

Mick

[T0PS3O]

Maybe the spider does follow sig links but doesn't evaluate them for the SERP algo. In other words it might ignore the link for anchor text and or PR.

This makes sense when you study how these spiders work. Each new link found simply get put on a list for spidering later, or immediately if no other tasks scheduled. Only after indexing, the algo is applied. So there is a distinction between indexing and evaluating.

[Foxy]

Make no mistake Google reads the signatures - what it does with them is another matter. Ignore them ...mmm probably not...filter them ...more likely, with a dampening effect....and other possibilities as well :)

[Arnica]

Maybe the spider does follow sig links but doesn't evaluate them for the SERP algo. In other words it might ignore the link for anchor text and or PR.

This makes sense when you study how these spiders work. Each new link found simply get put on a list for spidering later, or immediately if no other tasks scheduled. Only after indexing, the algo is applied. So there is a distinction between indexing and evaluating.I think schlottke would disagree with this. See his post http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5107&postcount=46

I would agree with foxy that there may be some dampening/filtering but looking at the backlinks to schlottke's site it's difficult to say that the PR, Anchor Text value and SERP placement doesn't come from the forum sig links.

Mick

[leeds1]

Make no mistake Google reads the signatures - what it does with them is another matter. Ignore them ...mmm probably not...filter them ...more likely, with a dampening effect....and other possibilities as well :)

Fox- have you seen any deterioation in serps for your sites since you took the DP links out of your sig? I took mine out 2 weeks ago and have not suffered (OK my site is not related- but no changes)

[Foxy]

Fox- have you seen any deterioation in serps for your sites since you took the DP links out of your sig? I took mine out 2 weeks ago and have not suffered (OK my site is not related- but no changes)

No - not at all [other than the forum pages have disappeared], however I didn't get much time to compare - as, being fed up with it sticking at the level it fell to, I placed a similar page on another unrelated site. The original page disappeared as to, I might add, had the index page of the site when the specific weber page appeared

Now the only things in common were the page url weber-bbqs.htm,and the page title, Weber BBQs. Nothing else for the page but for the site index page I had used Weber BBQs as the title [identical for all] and of course the link to the page was Weber BBQs

What I have deduced from this is that the title tag and the page url are the determining factors in possible mirror pages determination, if it is deemed a mirror page [over and above the text] as if you do a allin search on McDars tool you find the pages still there.

I await to see whether it comes back, as the sleeping bag example has done the same, but I will only wait a few more days [as Google seems to do things within days now] and then alter the titles etc.

[leeds1]

yep - it's a strange world at the mo

I really revved up my KWs on one of my sites and had H1 in all the titles every image had an alt text - KW density went from 3% to 12%

Serp = no change

:confused:

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

2710 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/16/2004 [10 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #47 allinanchor: #6 - 06/17/2004 [8 DCs #46, 5 DCs #49] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #48 allinanchor: #6 - 06/18/2004 [3 DCs #47, 3 DCs #49, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

58 - 6/14/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )

2710 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2210 - 6/18/2004
1800 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

351 - 6/16/2004
Unchanged from previous date
333 - 6/18/2004
302 - 6/19/2004
Unchanged from previous date
293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#41 - 06/14/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[Mel]

Interesting read, and so far the only conclusion I see that is somewhat firm is that forum sig links are not counting as anchor text links any more.

This confirms my feeling that since the June 1 backlinks update I see almost no backlinks reported with the link:search (see this post (http://www.webworkshop.net/seoforum/viewtopic.php?p=18054) for more details. I have been informally tracking this for the past few months, and just went through my backlinks tonight for confirmation:

No forum sig backlinks reported from the link: search

The @URL search returns ten times more links than the link search and after a long check of these, the only links from forums (I post in around ten) are where the URL is in the body of the text or in the print pages at SEO chat. Even found a couple of plugs that I was not aware of :)

I believe that I can see a slight decrease in rankings corresponding to the dropping of the forum links,though that is a bit hard to track, since some of my terms in the links have not dropped at all but one has dropped six places, but since that was from #1 to #7 it's concerning.
I have now placed a few new links in the hope of recovering, but that does not nearly make up for the shortfall of perhaps 4,000 sig links.

[mcdar]

Hi Mel, Welcome!

Google has certainly made some changes as to how it is dealing with links, but I am uncertain at this time, what adjustments they have made.

Both Bob and Foxy removed the links from their sigs on June 11th. So, we expected the number of links Google to count from this forum to drop dramatically. But, if you look at the results of the last update...

PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

Still, of total backlinks reported for this page, DPForums was the largest source. I am not certain if, of the 149 reported, they are devalued or if Google has not done something to devalue multiple links from a single source in general.

By this I mean, were the 56 links from Bob's site devalued as they were all from a single site as well?

It is unfortunate that we intentionally removed the links, as now it is hard to determine how much of the change in placement was directly related to our dropping the links and how much can be attributed to Google's changes.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #49 allinanchor: #6 - 06/19/2004 [3 DCs #46, 1 DCs #48, 2 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004[/B]
197 - 6/30/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

EXPERIMENT 2

Experiment to was "off the ground" on 6/11/2004

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Although links are starting to show up for these pages (664 links to be precise), it is interesting to note that...

1). No links were reported in the update

2). Neither have made it into the top 1000 results for any of the keyword phrases.

Does this strike anyone else as odd :confused:

UPDATE:

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Still no placement for either page in the regular serps!

Bob's page has finally caught up to Foxy's for allinanchor placement.
______________________
Allinanchor:
Online Poker Games: Bob 11 & Foxy 12
Online Poker: Bob 104 & Foxy 109
Online Games: 0 for both
Poker Games: Bob 20 & Foxy 21

Links Found: 1785
______________________

It is still curious to me that neither page is listed anywhere in the regular serps for ANY of these keywords!

[mcdar]

I would like to comment on the 100+ drop the experimental page took on Friday.

Originally, I assumed that it was due to the loss of all of the signature links, but now I am starting to think it may have been a combination of that and a Google adjustment.

I am leaning toward this now because I have started to see threads here and there regarding the same type of phenomenon that occurred to others last Friday as well.

In another thread on this forum I read of two Real Estate sites that went from page one to nowhere to be found that same Friday.

Things we had in common:
Age:
1). They all were started around the same time (end of March, beginning of April).
Links:
2). They all had many links but those links where from only a few different websites.

The Real Estate sites' links were themed, for the most part, and did NOT have a large portion of their links from forums.

This has lead me to believe that Googles latest tweek (last Friday) was an "attack" on multiple links from a single websites.

The experiment page had ALL of it's links from only 6 different sources.
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

If multiple links from a single website have been devalued, it would have meant a big blow as witnessed this past Friday.

This may also explain why experiment 2 pages, although #10 & #11 for allinanchor:online poker games, have yet to make it anywhere into the regular serps. They are showing 1785 links BUT those links are from ONLY 7 different sites.

Any thoughts or comments??

Caryl

[T0PS3O]

Our sites are run on a ecommerce backend, the 100 odd shops all had massive ranking and traffic losses from the 23d onwards when literally 90% of BL disappeared and yes, they were all mainly internal from between the sites and the portal most from the same IP blocks.

I do believe too they adjusted the link valuating criteria. Today however, some 20% of the original BLs appeared back in Google's link: search so it looks they are still tweaking it.

[mcdar]

Our sites are run on a ecommerce backend, the 100 odd shops all had massive ranking and traffic losses from the 23d onwards when literally 90% of BL disappeared and yes, they were all mainly internal from between the sites and the portal most from the same IP blocks.

I do believe too they adjusted the link valuating criteria. Today however, some 20% of the original BLs appeared back in Google's link: search so it looks they are still tweaking it.

I find it odd that Googles Link:www.domain.* search would change from day to day.

That result is usually only changed during a BL/PR Update, regardless of what links Google is actually factoring in on a day to day basis. :confused:

[T0PS3O]

It's what Shwan's tool shows me. Big change on the 22nd and somehwat smaller yet still significant change yesterday/today. Maybe they do override the 3-weekly to monthly updates when they realize they tweaked it too much and saw negative impact on relevancy.

[mcdar]

Shawn's tool gets the results from the API. Do you see changes in backlinks to your sites in any of the regular datacenters?

[T0PS3O]

a manual search indeed shows now 50 links for one of the sites. 2 weeks ago it was approx 140 links, 2 days ago it was 12 links.

Did you see a small jump back up in links the last 36hrs to any of the sites you monitor?

[mcdar]

No, absolutely no changes.

Are you searching link:www... or link: www... ? The first one is the "real" search that changes only with the update. The second gives different results.

[T0PS3O]

with the space: 152, without the space 50. I always used the one without the space.

[mcdar]

This is very odd, indeed!

Has anyone else seen a change in their Backlinks since Friday?

The last Backlink Update was June 22/23 (last Tues./Wed) so there would be changes at that time.

Note: A look at Rank Pulse (http://www.rankpulse.com/) does show some significant changes in the serps in the same time frame. So, whatever Google did, it did effect many websites.

Caryl

[T0PS3O]

Several people affected who use this ecommerce solution did ask google so who knows, they might actually have looked at it. But that would be very very rare though.

But even with some BLs back, I saw more high ranks disappear :( I just hope all of this will be over and hopefully back to normal soon.

[Foxy]

What I find interesting with the Rank Pulse results is the overall upwards drift in the graph - basically put a ruller on the average lower graph and it is pointing upwards - which means that Google has implemented a policy of instability in that the top 10 Serps are changing more often than they did.

[mcdar]

Indeed, Foxy!

That is a good observation. I had not noticed that.

[leeds1]

Something definately happened Monday night UK time

Some sites dropped off the map

The only thing I could see was that their KWs EXACTLY (ie: plurals) were no on their page :confused:

[mcdar]

leeds1,

What was the linking like to those pages? Were there several new links add within the last month or two?

If so, of those links, were there any that involved multiple links from a single site?

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #46 allinanchor: #6 - 06/20/2004 [3 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #47] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #5 - 06/21/2004 [3 DCs #42, 3 DCs #45] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #46 allinanchor: #5 - 06/22/2004 [1 DCs #44, 1 DCs #45, 2 DCs #53] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[leeds1]

leeds1,

What was the linking like to those pages? Were there several new links add within the last month or two?

If so, of those links, were there any that involved multiple links from a single site?

Caryl

They weren't my sites - I did report the sites ;) because they had dup content for that phrase so it may be that they finally got banned becuase they are no-where for the singular phrase that I reported on but are still there for the plural - which is what that page is optimised for.

[mddv]

Nice tool, I didn't know that my site made it into yahoo till now.

Thanks for the link to this cool tool

[mcdar]

Your Welcome, mddv!

Welcome to the thread!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190[/COLOR] - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( [B]site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[compar]

It appears that we are pretty well stuck at something over #100 for this page. I'm not sure if anyone has any idea or good explanation for why we suddenly went from #43 to #144 on June 25? There are three posible explantions are far as I'm concerned. However none of them are particularly satisfying as far as I'm concerned. They are:

1. The lost of the single PR7 link caught up with the page.
2. The lost of the approximately 4,000 sig links caused the drop in SERP placement.
3. Google is tweaking their algo and this page along with a lot of others took a dive for no known, or obvious, reason.

If you think the explanation is 3. then the only thing to do is sit tight and hope that Google untweaks their algo and the page return to a position closer to where the allinachor and other attributes seem to suggest it should be.

If we think the answer is 2. then we could put up all these sig links again and watch to see if there is any recovery.

If we think it is 1. we could try and find someone with a PR7 or even a PR8 page who would put up a link in the name of science and see if it recovers.

The other option is try some SEO method that we haven't applied to date. Has anybody got any ideas?

[mcdar]

Bob,

Just when you think it's bad, it gets worst!

Looking at today's results, across datacenters, you'll notice that the experimental page was in position #171 on 6 datacenters! Is this indicative of yet another blow to the page?

Looking over the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm) this morning, it is also important to note the instabitlity of the pages across the datacenters.

Since about mid June, the datacenters have been reporting about 4 different positions.

We may want to try adding back the sig links, for a short time anyway, just to see what positive effect it may have.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[compar]

note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
There is something very strange going on with Google. Take the numbers above. If they had 70 of my InfoPool pages indexed on July 1, how can they have lost 6 of them by July 5?

I can always understand that there may be pages that they haven't indexed yet, but once they get them indexed how are they losing them or dropping them?

[Arnica]

I can always understand that there may be pages that they haven't indexed yet, but once they get them indexed how are they losing them or dropping them?Bob

Could this be related to the large numbers of backlinks reported by others that are just shown as the URL (no cache, no snippet) as if Google had just flagged the page for spidering? Just seems strange that it is happening at a time when others are reporting weird changes in the SERPs and to their backlinks listing. I can't believe that that many servers had that many pages unavailable to Google just recently. I'm even starting to see these one liner backlinks appear for pages that have been indexed for years. Strange.

Mick

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #42 allinanchor: #4 - 06/23/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #44, 2 DCs #46] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #43 allinanchor: #4 - 06/24/2004 [3 DCs #41, 3 DCs #51] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #144 allinanchor: #5 - 06/25/2004 [5 DCs #142, 3 DCs #143] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #141 allinanchor: #5 - 06/26/2004 [5 DCs #138, 4 DCs #140] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #139 allinanchor: #6 - 06/27/2004 [3 DCs #136, 3 DCs #138] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

945 - 6/21/2004
732 - 6/22/2004
538 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
401 - 6/25/2004
197 - 6/26/2004
192 - 6/27/2004
195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

293 - 6/21/2004
274 - 6/22/2004
263 - 6/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
258 - 6/25/2004
252 - 6/26/2004
244 - 6/27/2004
230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #197

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #191

[compar]

So, does anyone want to speculate on what caused this latest 40 to 50 place drop?

[Smyrl]

Loss of Alex's link reflected June 26
Loss of signature links reflected July 6th or there about.

Just speculation

Shannon

[mcdar]

Hi All,

Just checking in from vacation land.

If you look at the "complete report" (link in daily update), you'll notice I added some hyperlinks for the entries of June 27th and July 6th. These links will take you to forum discussions about similar drops in other peoples sites in the same time frame.

Whatever happened that caused the drop in ranking to the experimental page, we are not alone. This leads me to believe that Google may be "filtering" some kinds of linking strategies.

Caryl

[compar]

Caryl,

I read the SEO Chat threads that you provided links to. The experimental page is not alone in experiencing any this problem, but I didn't think there were any answers or real insight into the cause or fix for the problem given or even suggested.

The closest thing that I have seen lately to what may be going on is the Google patent that Nohaber posted in this thread http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=15595&postcount=18.

While it seem to talk exclusively about "related" pages if Google can do this or is starting to do this it might well explain the problems we are experiencing.

[Foxy]

If you relate this back to the PM I sent you a little way back it would then start to make sense would it not?

Here is the abstract:

Abstract

Techniques for finding related hyperlinked documents using link-based analysis are provided. Backlink and forwardlink sets can be utilized to find web pages that are related to a selected web page. The scores for links from web pages that are from the same host and links from web pages with numerous links can be reduced to achieve a better list of related web pages. The list of related web pages can be utilized as a feature to a word-based search engine or an addition to a web browser.

Which means theming.

So if we take reciprocals, they could be negated by balance.
If we talk IBL they could well be weighted against, as being too easy to manipulate and the mindset would want to have things pointing at your site.
Logically then, the PM'd message would explain the other factors. [Sorry to all you others I'm not ready to let those go public yet]

Now at the end of the ski season I tested the H1 [is no good] H2 [is better] theory by changing the H1 to an H2 and you can see the result for May10 onwards a drop to about 18 - I then changed it back June 14 to H1 and a move upwards in the Serps appeared, however only to about 10, but then about June 26 notice the drop to 25.

My initial response was bollocks not another February disaster!! But I then decided that I would immediately place a page, on one of our sites, that I had ready to test my PM'd theory and, bingo I am now 7, but also, another phrase that was 9 and stable moved to 6.

Interesting? ;)

[mcdar]

Caryl,

I read the SEO Chat threads that you provided links to. The experimental page is not alone inexperiencing any this problem, but I didn't think there were any answers or real insight into the cause or fix for the problem given or even suggested.

The closest thing that I have seen lately to what may be going on is the Google patent that Nohaber posted in this thread http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=15595&postcount=18.

While it seem to talk exclusively about "related" pages if Google can do this or is starting to do this it might well explain the problems we are experiencing.

Bob,

The links are there to indicate that the big changes were NOT isolated to the experimental page alone.

If we try to explain or evaluate the changes in the results without considering the larger picture as well, we could just be chasing our own tails.

In light of the fact that many are reporting big changes, it would be inaccurate to conclude that the last big plunge was due to the loss of sig links. It most likely was a combination of the two factors (our change in sig links PLUS Googles changes).

It is the frequent changes that Google seems to be implementing that is making it most difficult to attribute "cause and effect" relationships in this experiment.

Believe it or not, Google did use to be more stable.

Oh, the good ole days... ;)

Caryl

[compar]

Bob,

The links are there to indicate that the big changes were NOT isolated to the experimental page alone.

Believe it or not, Google did use to be more stable.

Oh, the good ole days... ;)

Caryl
I understand that. And we are certainly not alone. But then the question remains what do we do next.

The problem with this experiment is that we can't evaluate the effect of our changes because Google is shifting everything at the same time.

So here are our options as I see it.

1. Do nothing until our current position and results really stabilize.

2. Try and find a broader base for our backlinks.

3. Try to place our backlinks on more relevant or theme related pages.

4. Stop obsessing on allinanchor: and use some other anchor text, even if it is only to use the singular "sleeping bag"

[Foxy]

I understand that. And we are certainly not alone. But then the question remains what do we do next.

The problem with this experiment is that we can't evaluate the effect of our changes because Google is shifting everything at the same time.

So here are our options as I see it.

1. Do nothing until our current position and results really stabilize.

2. Try and find a broader base for our backlinks.

3. Try to place our backlinks on more relevant or theme related pages.

4. Stop obsessing on allinanchor: and use some other anchor text, even if it is only to use the singular "sleeping bag"

I don't think 1. will prove much more than what has been proven already - that what was working is not anymore.

But 2. does have merit and I believe 3. should be used.

With 4. I believe we should be using related anchor phrases like "sleeping bag liners" or "bag liners" or "undersheets for sleeping bags" [not being an expert on sleeping bags I would not know!] from pages that have relevance in the text.

Lastly when all this has been done and we have seen the results I think we should try my swictheroo as PM'd to you. But only then as a long shot. :)

[mcdar]

At this point, I have no ideas. I will go along with whatever you two decide!

[compar]

At this point, I have no ideas. I will go along with whatever you two decide!
Are the fish biting? You're not supposed to have ideas when you're on vacation. :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/28/2004 [3 DCs #136] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #138 allinanchor: #6 - 06/29/2004 [3 DCs #133, 3 DCs #135, 10 DCs #137] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #134 allinanchor: #6 - 06/30/2004 [4 DCs #135, 2 DCs #138, 5 DCs #139, 9 DCs #140]Note: Allinanchor #7 on 11 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #127 allinanchor: #7 - 07/01/2004 [5 DCs #130, 5 DCs #134, 3 DCs #135]Note: Allinanchor #6 on 10 DCs **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

60 - 6/21/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
63 - 6/23/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
66 - 6/25/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 6/27/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
69 - 6/29/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
70 - 7/01/2004 (All datacenters)
69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

195 - 6/28/2004
192 - 6/29/2004
197 - 6/30/2004
190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

230 - 6/28/2004
214 - 6/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #187

[mcdar]

.... Oh, maybe that is why I have no ideas :rolleyes:

Fishing has been good, it has been a much needed break!

[compar]

.... Oh, maybe that is why I have no ideas :rolleyes:

Fishing has been good, it has been a much needed break!
Enjoy! We'll beat this mother to death when you get back.

BTW I'm still rolling around on the floor laughing at your explanation of how busy you have been that you offered on the SEO Chat forum. How come we never get any gems like that on this forum?

For those who did not see it on the SEO Chat forum Caryl said:

"I've been as busy as a one armed paper hanger with crabs". The mental image that conjures up is pretty hilarious.

[Foxy]

That is a goodie :D

When you are back is fine by me - enjoy the holiday

Our weather this year is absolute shite so not much fun here - hope yours is better. :)

[compar]

Our weather this year is absolute shite so not much fun here - hope yours is better. :)
This has been an absolutely perfect weekend in Waterloo. We had our local outdoor Jazz festival this week end and I sat and listened until almost 11:00 pm last night with simply a short sleeved T-Shirt on.

Caryl is probably less that 100 miles -- as the crow flies -- away from me across lake Ontario so she is probably enjoying the same fine weather.

Edit addition: I should add that I also was wearing pants :D

[North Carolina SEO]

This has been an absolutely perfect weekend in Waterloo. We had our local outdoor Jazz festival this week end and I sat and listened until almost 11:00 pm last night with simply a short sleeved T-Shirt on.

Caryl is probably less that 100 miles -- as the crow flies -- away from me across lake Ontario so she is probably enjoying the same fine weather.

Edit addition: I should add that I also was wearing pants :D

Thanks for the edit. Talk about mental images!!! :rolleyes:

[hulkster]

Edit addition: I should add that I also was wearing pants :D

Size 42?!? ;-)

[compar]

Size 42?!? ;-)
Size of what???? :)

[hulkster]

Shall we ask Vicious Summer?!? ;-)

[compar]

Shall we ask Vicious Summer?!? ;-)
The one thing I've always wondered is, if she is Vicious Summer does, that make her Pussy Cat Winter??? You can't be Vicious all your life.

And how about Spring and Fall, or is San Diego to far south to have seasons?

[Foxy]

While were on those subjects I've always laughed at the abbreviation used for "conspiracy theory" CT

which means Cock Teaser here

BTW envy your weather - but still had a party last night outside!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #184

[mcdar]

UPDATE:

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Still no placement for either page in the regular serps!

Bob's page has finally caught up to Foxy's for allinanchor placement.
______________________
Allinanchor:
Online Poker Games: Bob 11 & Foxy 12
Online Poker: Bob 104 & Foxy 109
Online Games: 0 for both
Poker Games: Bob 20 & Foxy 21

Links Found: 1785
______________________

It is still curious to me that neither page is listed anywhere in the regular serps for ANY of these keywords!

UPDATE:

You can check the current status of the pages anytime at...

Experiment 2 (http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtoolExp2.asp)

Still no placement for either page in the regular serps!

______________________
Allinanchor:
Online Poker Games: Bob 16 & Foxy 14
Online Poker: Bob 144 & Foxy 143
Online Games: 0 for both
Poker Games: Bob 36 & Foxy 26

Links Found: 2200
______________________

:confused: It is still curious to me that neither page is listed anywhere in the regular serps for ANY of these keywords! :confused:

[mcdar]

I have been searching by 100 per page and Google has been reporting:
www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm @ 168 (experimental page)
www.mcdar.com @169

I assumed that the second page (main site) was the "additional" page added to searches when requesting 100 per/page.

As it turns out, The main site (www.mcdar.com) is the page at position 169 and the Experiment Page is really listed in position 185.

www.mcdar.com is listed in Google as having 153 Backlinks (88 of which have sleeping bags as anchor text)

www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm is listed in Google as having 325 Backlinks (all of which have sleeping bags as anchor text)

It now seems very obvious that Google has some "issues" with the links we are using to the Experiment Page.

Since we are due for a Backlink/PR Update very soon, I would suggest that we wait to see where we stand with reported backlinks at that time and make our adjustments (whatever we decide to do) then.

What does everyone else think?

[compar]

I'm happy with that recommendation. I'm reasonably confident that part of the present situation is a screw up on Google's part. I think we would be chasing our tails if we made a lot of changes before we give them time to get their house in order.

[Foxy]

I'm happy with that recommendation. I'm reasonable confident that part of the present situation is a screw up on Google's part. I think we would be chasing our tails if we made a lot of changes before we give them time to get their house in order.

Likewise - in total agreement.

As an aside I had the opportunity of sitting with a 14 year old and his 17 year old brother on Sunday night working on my computers at a party we hosted.

They both used Yahoo for searching because of the "crap" results they were getting off Google.

They both complained bitterly about the nonsensical results they were getting recently and the huge numbers of "directories" they encountered before they got any relevant results so they had switched - they did not use the adwords at all.

Now my wife had made the same comment so here were two different groups of people saying the same - that is starting to be a worrying sign!!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #130 allinanchor: #6 - 07/02/2004 [4 DCs #129, 4 DCs #133, 4 DCs #135, 3 DCs #139] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #126 allinanchor: #7 - 07/03/2004 [3 DCs #121, 5 DCs #123, 10 DCs #127] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #129 allinanchor: #7 - 07/04/2004 [3 DCs #122, 7 DCs #126, 3 DCs #128] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

69 - 7/02/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/04/2004 (All datacenters)
64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

190 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
197 - 7/03/2004
213 - 7/04/2004
234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

216 - 7/01/2004
Unchanged from previous date
209 - 7/04/2004
219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #186

[Arnica]

They both used Yahoo for searching because of the "crap" results they were getting off Google.
<snip>...</snip>
Now my wife had made the same comment so here were two different groups of people saying the same - that is starting to be a worrying sign!!Does this mean people are going to start flocking towards MSN? :eek:

On a more serious note many people have echoed the same sentiments to me and I agree it is worrying.

Mick

[compar]

On a more serious note many people have echoed the same sentiments to me and I agree it is worrying.

Mick
Do you Guys think this is new or do people always bitch about search engines. It seems to me people have been saying "I can never find what I'm looking for" for years. Frequently it is because the have no idea how to search.

Your wife excepted of course Foxy :D

[Arnica]

Do you Guys think this is new or do people always bitch about search engines. It seems to me people have been saying "I can never find what I'm looking for" for years. Frequently it is because the have no idea how to search.

You wife except of course Foxy :DYes there certainly always has been a level of moans and groans. Likewise I always put it down to inexperienced searchers. But recently people who know what they're doing have been questioning the relevance of the Google SERPs when the first twenty results throw up some glaringly unrelated pages.

Mick

[compar]

Well Google must have been talking to Vicious Summer and decided, like she has, that they don't like optimized or relevant pages. :D

[Foxy]

Do you Guys think this is new or do people always bitch about search engines. It seems to me people have been saying "I can never find what I'm looking for" for years. Frequently it is because the have no idea how to search.

Your wife excepted of course Foxy :D

I think that is the nub of why I posted the comment - I had been soft peddling on the entreaties of my wife, but, to be truthful she had not moaned before, and, suddenly here were some young people who were computer savvy [impatient of course - aren't we all] making similar comments.

Yes there certainly always has been a level of moans and groans. Likewise I always put it down to inexperienced searchers. But recently people who know what they're doing have been questioning the relevance of the Google SERPs when the first twenty results throw up some glaringly unrelated pages.

And, you know, this has been going on for some months now - you get an unsettled period - which returns your positions not just quite after a little time with a load of directories inbetween - and then another unsettled period, which may or may not return you to where you last were.

[compar]

And, you know, this has been going on for some months now - you get an unsettled period - which returns your positions not just quite after a little time with a load of directories inbetween - and then another unsettled period, which may or may not return you to where you last were.
I'm sure Anthony can explain it all with one of his conspiracy theories :D

[mcdar]

I am still convinced that Google is busy inventing a "better (read different) mouse trap" as they are trying to break away from the patents held by Stanford.

They most likely want to be totally free from using any Stanford patented algos by the time they go public.

IMHO

[Foxy]

I'm sure Anthony can explain it all with one of his conspiracy theories :D

Yep ;)

I am still convinced that Google is busy inventing a "better (read different) mouse trap" as they are trying to break away from the patents held by Stanford.

They most likely want to be totally free from using any Stanford patented algos by the time they go public.

IMHO

Probably :p to Stanford! :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #168 today

[mcdar]

Look at the instability across the datacenters DAILY. (see Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm))

Look at the range of some of the positions...

07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171]
07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203]

This is some MAJOR turbulance! It is not the norm for businesses to be in such a state of constant change.

This is not in just a few categories or isolated. Many of the sites I monitor with keyword tracker took big leaps today (15-20 positions). I just cannot attribute this to normal, everyday flux.

Our little pages are like boats on a stormy sea. We think we can control where we are going right now, but I think we are all lucky just to stay afloat from day to day. Once the sea calms, then you can adjust your course.

Caryl

OH, by the way - THIS REALLY SUCKS! :)

...boy that was cathartic

[compar]

OH, by the way - THIS REALLY SUCKS! :)
You've got that right!

Whether they are a commercial or private organization they are a major force in the Internet, and exert a major influence on a lot of people's livelihood.

The instability in their SERPs is a disgrace.

[mcdar]

FYI

PR look up had just been included in the results of the Keyword Analysis Tool.

Caryl :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[Smyrl]

tomdude48 on seo chat (http://forums.seochat.com/t13156/s.html) has posted two interesting threads one of which that reminded me of this thread. He reports text links placed from pagerank 8 site around April 1st, to some of his clients sites have not seemed to affect their SERPs. This reminded me of how long it seemed to take Alek's link from page rank 7 site to kick in. Conjecture: Do links from sites with higher pageranks take longer to be felt in serps than links from lower pageranked sites. This does not make much sense unless it is a way to try to combat selling of pagerank.

There is another significant issue in regard to Tomdude48's page rank 8 site which may or may not have any relation. The page rank 8 site has been copied and placed online with only name of site changed. See tomdude48's original post. The pirated version is not in Google index and represents an older version of his site.

Shannon

[compar]

Interesting theory. I just purchased a PR8 link for one of the sites I look after a few days ago. We should have a new PR/BL update shortly. I'll let you know if my new PR8 backlink is reported when that happens.

I have modified my PR chart to do "what if" scenarios. If you use rustybrick's new tool to find out excatly how many links you have now and what PR value they are, you can then drop these results into my chart and do "what ifs" by adding additional link of various values.

When I do this for the page I mentioned above, and them plug in 1 additional PR8 link, the chart forecasts that I should attain PR7 for my page. It will be interesting to see if this really happens on the next upgrade.

If anyone would like to experiment with my new "what if" spreadsheet let me know and I'll post a link to it.

[hulkster]

I still think there is some sort of sandbox applied to "interesting" keywords - for instance, from the same www.komar.org page, I added a link to budweiser airboat (http://www.komar.org/faq/hovercraft/budweiser-airboat/) and that ranks #1 two days later ... but that's not exactly a competive/interesting keyword! ;-)

It is an interesting theory and would not surprise me if there is some truth to this ... or perhaps a dampening function is applied ... i.e. takes a few months or so for the full "weight" of the PR8 to be applied.

Shannon: love that picture on your website - typifies the Texas boonies!

alek

P.S. On the sleeping bags, I seem to recall there was a jump shorty after the addition of the www.komar.org link ... and upon removal, no changes for sometime, but then a big drop a few weeks later (other things going on, so hard to say what was causing what) - sorry, I'm not going to ready through the whole dang thread yet another time! ;-)

[Smyrl]

Alek, you just shot down that conjecture. It did not seem logical but I have no direct experiences with page rank 7 and above sites.

Do let us know when your pagerank 8 link kicks in, Compar.

Meanwhile I shall lurk and read some more.

Shannon

[hulkster]

Alek, you just shot down that conjecture. It did not seem logical but I have no direct experiences with page rank 7 and above sites.

...

Meanwhile I shall lurk and read some more.

Shannon

Actually, I didn't mean to shoot it down - let me know how to edit/rephrase what I wrote above, but for competive/interesting keywords, I think your theory has a lotta merit and thought I said above (?)

Keeping lurking AND posting - I don't want to be accused of messing with Texas! ;-)

alek

[compar]

Smyrl,

Did you know your web site doesn't display correctly in Netscape 7.1? The picture displays way over to the right so that even on my 1024x768 resolution I have to scroll a long way to the right before I can see the picture.

[Smyrl]

Thanks, Bob. I did not know. My computer running Netscape crashed and I have not been diligent in observing sites on different size monitors running different browsers. I will look into it. I have been checking my sites on public library's computers BUT they are running 800 x 600 resolution.

Alek, I did realize you said said there might be a dampening function but as to a blanket across the board statemnt seem that is just not the case. Like you I have no desire to reread the entire thread - a nice tool Shawn did not write ... It has gotten to be as bad as War and Peace.

Thanks for the input.

Shannon

[leeds1]

Bob

I had the same on netscape

wrt higher page links - I had PR7s from many domains and these seemed to kick in fast (and in the last G update) for PR value - however, I am sure there is a delay difference in SERPS

so, a link may give you higher PR but higher SERPS come later

These links are now 7 weeks old so I hope to see a jump soon

[compar]

It has gotten to be as bad as War and Peace.
Shannon
Or as good. War and Peace is considered a classic.

[compar]

Bob

I had the same on netscape

wrt higher page links - I had PR7s from many domains and these seemed to kick in fast (and in the last G update) for PR value - however, I am sure there is a delay difference in SERPS

so, a link may give you higher PR but higher SERPS come later

These links are now 7 weeks old so I hope to see a jump soon
Excellent point! The sandbox effect was never thought to effect PR ranking. It only seem to effect a sites "rightful" place in the SERPs. It is so easy to forget this. Thanks for reminding us leeds.

[mcdar]

Well, with the new update just starting, the experimental page has dropped from 325 reported Backlinks to 129.

Only 11 of Bob's links included this time!

The #1 site for the search has dropped from 288 backlinks reported to 140.

Boy, what is G doing with backlinks these days?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #189 today

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #125 allinanchor: #5 - 07/05/2004 [5 DCs #119, 2 DCs #124, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #172 allinanchor: #6 - 07/06/2004 [5 DCs #164, 6 DCs #171] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #7 - 07/07/2004 [5 DCs #162, 3 DCs #167, 9 DCs #170, 2 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #7 - 07/08/2004 [5 DCs #161, 4 DCs #167, 2 DCs #166] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

64 - 7/05/2004 (All datacenters)
65 - 7/06/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

234 - 7/05/2004
237 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
254 - 7/08/2004
249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

219 - 7/05/2004
212 - 7/06/2004
Unchanged from previous date
220 - 7/08/2004
225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[mcdar]

We have made two changes, Alek's link removed and Bob's and Foxy's sig links removed.

This page has now taken 5 giant steps backwords!

Anyone out there still not convinced that Google is making significant algo changes?

Personally, I think when the stocks go on sale, will mark when they are reasonably satisfied with their "new" Google. The Google Sea won't calm much before then.

IMHO

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320] **29 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[compar]

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
Caryl,

Are there any changes in these numbers today? A lot of people are reporting that the update does not seem to be totally over, and they are seeing adjustments or changes.

[mcdar]

Bob,

Our links droped to 129 and have basically stayed there. There was a short time yesterday that I saw the 325 being reported again, (very brief time) but then it has gone back to 129 on all of the datacenters.

I have not gone through the links again to verify that they are the exact same "mix" that was originally reported though.

[edited:Yes, the links are still the same as reported in the "daily update".]

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316] **27 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[mcdar]

I Thought it would be interesting to see how the top ten for the keyword search "sleeping bags" fared as a result of this last "update".

Below is a link to a comparison of the Keyword Analysis Tool (link below in sig) results from June 29th with columns added with today's results.

Comparison Results (http://www.mcdar.net/KeyTool7_20.html)

It is interesting that the top ten seam to reamain steady, however their backlinks and allinanchor positions have changed.

Any comments or observations are welcome and appreciated! :p

[compar]

Any comments or observations are welcome and appreciated! :p
All it tell me is that it doesn't make any real sense. Assuming that the parameters we are looking at do indeed have a correlation to the SERP placement, it is hard to see why the page isn't in the top 10.

I can only see two possible explanations:

1. Our links have been badly devalued -- but why?

2. We are missing some major parameter. I can even think of what to start to look for, but an analysis of the top ten sites looking for some parameter they have in common and which we do not have might prove useful. The problem is that there may be no way to measure the parameter.

[mcdar]

Bob,

I don't know if you noticed, but I did add in the Yahoo! reported links.

The one main parameter we really cannot accurately assess in the Total number of links to the page (as used by Google).

The Yahoo links surely indicate that that number could be in the thousands for every one of the top ten (accept Big Agnes -Manufacturer).

The questions still remain, (1)would we be in a better position with the added sig links? (just to increase total links) (2)Would Google have acknowledged those links? (even now, G is only acknowledging a fraction of the links pointing to the page)

Where should we go from here?

Edited to add: Look at the results again! I have just added a row (under the experiment page) for McDar's main page, which is now ahead of the experiment page in the reg results for "sleeping bags".

[mcdar]

I see it as a significant "hit" that the page has taken, the dramatic loss of counted links from Bob's and my regular web pages!

Those backlinks dropped had descent PR value. (where as the sig links did not)

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #171 allinanchor: #4 - 07/09/2004 [2 DCs #164, 4 DCs #165, 10 DCs #170] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313] **27 DCs are NOT responding**[/B]
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316] **27 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[compar]

Caryl,

The reason we removed the sig links is that the page had already dropped about 100 places in the SERP. This drop seemed to coincide with the addition of these sig links, so we back them off. But I'm ok with putting them back.

Foxy what do you think?

The other thing we could do is try and radically diversify the source of our inbound links. This would mean solicting help from a ton of the members of the forum to each put up a single link to the page. In turn we would need people to be commit this link for a prolonged period, unlike Aleks who put it up and then took it down before we could really assess it's impact.

[hulkster]

I think my liink was up there for long enough to have some impact - for instance, I recently added a page about the budweiser airboat (http://www.komar.org/faq/hovercraft/budweiser-airboat/) and linked from www.komar.org like I did for sleeping bags - two days later, it was ranked #1 for that phrase and in the 30's for airboat ...

[mcdar]

Bob,

Thanks for responding! I am open to either option.

Adding the sigs again would give us some indication of the actual ground lost when we omitted them, as I think some of our drop was due to G algo change.

Getting others to donate a link would be interesting as well.

[Smyrl]

I think it would be an interesting experiment to add the signature links back in and watch and wait some more. Since the experiment is ongoing think another look at signatures would be enlightening before moving on to diversity of backlinks. Last push might be to try themed links though obtaining those would be harder.

Shannon

[compar]

I think it would be an interesting experiment to add the signature links back in and watch and wait some more. Since the experiment is ongoing think another look at signatures would be enlightening before moving on to diversity of backlinks. Last push might be to try themed links though obtaining those would be harder.

Shannon
I agree and am ready to add back the sig links. Foxy we are waiting for your concurrence.

[mcdar]

Shannon,

I also agree!

Alek,
I think it would be an interesting test to add the link from your site again for a period of one week only.

That should be enough to boost us then drop us in a quick time frame. It would certainly be significant proof of the value of a single high PR link.

What do you think, Alek? Would you be open to this?

Caryl

[hulkster]

Sorry ... was a one-time good deal to encourage people to consider using their Google Toolbar (http://www.powder2glass.com/Google_Toolbar_Compute/) to use idle CPU cycles to help medical research.

[compar]

Sorry ... was a one-time good deal to encourage people to consider using their Google Toolbar (http://www.powder2glass.com/Google_Toolbar_Compute/) to use idle CPU cycles to help medical research.
So Alek, what you are really saving is that you had no interest in, or commitment to, the experiment.

While I think the use of the toolbar is a good idea, I've always run it on my computer, I don't understand what was so terrible about leaving the link up. As a supporter of the toolbar research I think we legitimately expected that you would support our research also.

You make some wild claims about the efficacy of a link from your site. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is and demonstate the formidable power of your link to everyone who watches this thread.


I can't believe the the HULK is going to weasel out of this challenge.

[mcdar]

So Alek, ...

You make some wild claims about the efficacy of a link from your site. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is and demonstate the formidable power of your link to everyone who watches this thread.


I can't believe the the HULK is going to weasel out of this challenge.

:eek: :eek:

Well, I was only suggesting 1 week. How much harm can that do? Is it a problem with PR drain?

Maybe I am missing something here. (it wouldn't be the first time)

[hulkster]

Hulk allready proved his link has some merit in post #939.
Hulk say also do Google search for Radio Controlled Hovercraft (http://www.komar.org/faq/hovercraft/) ;-)
Hulk's not make "wild claims" about www.komar.org web site link efficacy.
But evidence suggests it can do good SMASHING for non-competitive keywords.

Hulk just disagreed with compar's comment in post #938 that link was not up long enough to assess impact.
Hulk notice rank went from #92 to #29 right after Hulk add sleeping bags link to www.komar.org in mid-April.
Hulk notice drop from high-20's to high-40's a week after Hulk remove link in early June.
Hulk looking at your own data (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
Hulk not so smart, but that Hulk's conclusion.

Hulk's track record is pretty good in supporting this effort.
But Hulk decide to take a break - maybe other Puny Humans can help out.

BTW, Hulk say not good for Puny Humans to call him weasel.
Hulk is Hulk! ;-)

[mcdar]

Hulk allready proved his link has some merit in post #939.
Hulk say also do Google search for Radio Controlled Hovercraft (http://www.komar.org/faq/hovercraft/) ;-)
Hulk's not make "wild claims" about www.komar.org web site link efficacy.
But evidence suggests it can do good SMASHING for non-competitive keywords.

Hulk just disagreed with compar's comment in post #938 that link was not up long enough to assess impact.
Hulk notice rank went from #92 to #29 right after Hulk add sleeping bags link to www.komar.org in mid-April.
Hulk notice drop from high-20's to high-40's a week after Hulk remove link in early June.
Hulk looking at your own data (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
Hulk not so smart, but that Hulk's conclusion.

Hulk's track record is pretty good in supporting this effort.
But Hulk decide to take a break - maybe other Puny Humans can help out.

BTW, Hulk say not good for Puny Humans to call him weasel.
Hulk is Hulk! ;-)


Was that Hulk's wife replying to Bob?

Oh no Bob, now you have gotten yourself in really hot water! :eek:

[hulkster]

Was that Hulk's wife replying to Bob?

Oh no Bob, now you have gotten yourself in really hot water! :eek:
BAH, Puny Humans try to get Hulk angry! ;-)
"Don't get me angry - you wouldn't like me when I'm angry"

[Foxy]

As you can see my signature is back with the wonderful

sleeping bags (http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm)

Hehehe :)

[mcdar]

BAH, Puny Humans try to get Hulk angry! ;-)
"Don't get me angry - you wouldn't like me when I'm angry"


Oh, I get it now, Alek. You "talk" in the third person when referring to "Hulk". I thought someone else was replying.

"Don't get me angry - you wouldn't like me when I'm angry"

So, would that be you really getting angry or the "Hulk" getting play angry?

again, sorry for being so dense :o

[mcdar]

As you can see my signature is back with the wonderful

sleeping bags (http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm)

Hehehe :)

Hey, Foxy!

Great to see you here again.

Well great. It will be interesting indeed to see where the sig links will take us this time. Removing them did not stop the "plunge" so I wonder if they will give a little lift.

Caryl

[hulkster]

So, would that be you really getting angry or the "Hulk" getting play angry?


It''s the "classic" line that Bruce Banner used to say as can be seen from this google search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=+%22Don%27t+get+me+angry+-+you+wouldn%27t+like+me+when+I%27m+angry%22&btnG=Google+Search)

I'm just sitting this one out guys - hope you aren't angry at me! ;-)
alek

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316] **27 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313] **27 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317] **27 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164 - 7/22/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999 today

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/10/2004 [2 DCs #164, 3 DCs #165, 8 DCs #169, 3 DCs #172] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #168 allinanchor: #5 - 07/13/2004 [7 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320] **29 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316] **27 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313] **27 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317] **27 DCs are NOT responding**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316] **27 DCs are NOT responding**

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164 - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169]**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203]**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205]**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190]**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309]**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

***** PLEASE NOTE *****


Google is CRAZY!

Anyone who has been following this experiment has witnessed the plunges this page has taken. Some of them (plunges) we attempted to explain with loss of links, but the plunges just left us speechless.

Well, take a deep breath!

This morning the experiment page is these positions on the following datacenters.

66.102.7.99 32 #32
216.239.53.104 #32
66.102.7.104 #32
66.102.7.147 #32

Here is the breakdown by datacenters:
4 DCs #32 ,
3 DCs #296,
4 DCs #306,
2 DCs #307,
2 DCs #314,
7 DCs #315,
12 DCs #316

:eek:
I just checked again and it has now just spread to another datacenter!
216.239.53.99 #32

I suppose IF we were crazy too, we would have to say that this was due to the addition of Bob's and Foxy's sig links again.
________________________________
Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510- 7/25/2004

:confused:

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169]**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203]**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205]**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190]**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309]**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

***** PLEASE NOTE *****


Google is CRAZY!

Anyone who has been following this experiment has witnessed the plunges this page has taken. Some of them (plunges) we attempted to explain with loss of links, but the plunges just left us speechless.

Well, take a deep breath!

This morning the experiment page is these positions on the following datacenters.

66.102.7.99 #32
216.239.53.104 #32
66.102.7.104 #32
66.102.7.147 #32

Here is the breakdown by datacenters:
4 DCs #32 ,
3 DCs #296,
4 DCs #306,
2 DCs #307,
2 DCs #314,
7 DCs #315,
12 DCs #316

:eek:
I just checked again and it has now just spread to another datacenter!
216.239.53.99 #32

I suppose IF we were crazy too, we would have to say that this was due to the addition of Bob's and Foxy's sig links again.
________________________________
Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510- 7/25/2004

:confused:

and some more spreading...

216.239.53.98 #32
66.102.7.98 #32

Note: I quoted my previous post primarily because I did note want it to be overlooked.

Edited Again: Now I am seeing on some other datacenters, our allinanchor falling to #8 (from #7)

...is some major Google Update starting?

[Smyrl]

Wow. Am speechless. A lot can change in 4 days.

Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510- 7/25/2004

[mcdar]

From complete report...

246 - 5/08/2004
901 - 5/09/2004 ( Looks like the sig links were picked up )
908 - 5/10/2004 ( 18 Datacenters report 1660)
1670 - 5/11/2004
_____________
Position #18 allinanchor: #7 - 05/08/2004 [2 datacenters #15] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Position #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/09/2004 [2 datacenters #16] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 2 DCs
Position #18 allinanchor: #8 - 05/10/2004 [5 datacenters #16] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 4 DCs
Position #17 allinanchor: #7 - 05/11/2004 [13 datacenters #15] Note: Allinanchor #6 on 13 DCs
_________________________________________________

3920 - 6/8/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3990 - 6/10/2004
4020 - 6/11/2004
Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
____________
Position #28 allinanchor: #4 - 06/8/2004 [3 DCs #27] Note: Allinanchor #5 on 2 DCs **29 DCs are Not Responding**
Position #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/9/2004 [All DCs] **29 DCs are Not Responding**
Position #27 allinanchor: #4 - 06/10/2004 [3 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28] **29 DCs are Not Responding**
Position #30 allinanchor: #4 - 06/11/2004 [All DCs] **29 DCs are Not Responding**
____________________________________________________________

Why did we remove these links? Cause it was hurting our position?

[anthonycea]

Google is watching you guys with undercover agents on forums, maybe even a double agent, you can not publicly post this data, it is ruining your experiment. :D

[compar]

Has anybody seen this type of movement for any other pages today?

Caryl, as you last posts illustrates on 05/11 the sig links looked like they were working, but a month later on 06/11 when we had over 4,000 sig links it looked like the links might be hurting.

Did anything else change between 05/11 and 06/11 that would account for that change? Or is Google the only thing changing all this time?

[Smyrl]

Could it be that if you pass a threshold signature links are figured in in some negative mannner? Experiment had 4000+ signature links when they were removed.

I was a member of this and one other forum and did not use a signature until recently. Once I put it online developed cold feet and took signature down. Am vowing to leave signature in place until next pagerank update and see what happens.

Shannon

[Foxy]

I put one back [saturday by coincidence] to see what would happen - so now we have it two ways.

Just BTW I was looking at the Weber BBQ scenario as well and I noticed that apart from Shawn being 2+3 an advert by me was at 4 with Liquid Markets [sometimes it shows 4+5] - the only thing that is on that page is an OBL and it is run dynamically as is this forum.

I have not added a sig link for the weber page yet.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #170 allinanchor: #4 - 07/14/2004 [12 DCs #169]**
Postion #187 allinanchor: #6 - 07/15/2004 [6 DCs #169, 5 DCs #188, 2 DCs #203]**
Postion #188 allinanchor: #6 - 07/16/2004 [7 DCs #169, 5 DCs #190, 2 DCs #205]**
Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190]**
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309]**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318]***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

I apologize that the list of different datacenters/positions is getting so long!

However, I feel that it is a very important aspect of the results, especially at this time.

Why this area (keyword search) of Google is so unstable is anybody's guess. But to simply report "a" position would be misleading.

Usually, the position reported in the daily update is the most prevelent position reported. Then I just list the remaining. But, today, the most prevelent is #34 (7 DC's) followed by #315 (6 DC's) What a span!

The full breakdown shows that today there is really no dominant position held.
7 DCs #34,
3 DCs #297,
5 DCs #308,
1 DCs #310,
2 DCs #314,
6 DCs #315,
1 DCs #316,
4 DCs #317,
4 DCs #318

The mere fact that the experiment page is reported in 9 different positions across the datacenters today, surely indicates that Google's instability is certainly a factor to consider while attempting to evaluate a page.

It did occur to me to see if there was also a large difference in the number of signature links reported between the datacenters, especially in those where we are #32 and #315. But, ALL of the datacenters are returning the 1930 sig links. found today using site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags. Granted, that search is NOT proof that Google has counted those as backlinks but it is the only indication we have that Google is aware of the links.

Caryl

[compar]

Caryl,

Which tool are you using to see this DC difference? Your DataCenter Quick Check shows the page at #129 for every Data Center?

[compar]

Caryl,

Which tool are you using to see this DC difference? Your DataCenter Quick Check shows the page at #129 for every Data Center?
Ok! Excuse my stupidity. I just figured out what that tool is indicating. It is indicating the backlinks and PR reported by each data center.

Jeez now I feel really stupid :o

[mcdar]

Bob,

If you check the "banks" of datacenters individually, it will give you the position of your site on each datacenter.

(ie. .98, .99, .103, .104, etc)

Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp)

Caryl

[leeds1]

This didnt work for me - gave me either position 0 or ! , not found

[mcdar]

This didnt work for me - gave me either position 0 or ! , not found

That is because Google is down right now. :)

Has been for hours as far as I can tell.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309]**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #30

[mcdar]

I was checking another one McDar's keywords out and am finding differences between datacenters (not as drastic as the experiment page though)

sample1: Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datawait.asp?yoursite=www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm&keyword=sleeping%20bags&bank=.104) - experiment page (be patient - it takes a little time to run)

At first when I saw the experiment page go to #32 on these datacenters, I thought that they would some return to the #300 range OR that soon all of the datacenters would start showing results in the 30s somewhere.

I assumed the "leap" from #315 to #34 may be due to the addition of the ~ 2200 sig links, but now I am not so sure.

Has Google simply installed a different algo on select datacenters?

sample2: Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/Q-Check/datawait.asp?yoursite=www.mcdar.com&keyword=camping%20equipment&bank=.104) - another page (be patient - it takes a little time to run)

Does anyone else find noticible differences on the keywords you follow?

Note: The differences are certainly more pronounced on positions farther down in the serps.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #169 allinanchor: #5 - 07/17/2004 [6 DCs #166, 5 DCs #170, 2 DCs #190] **
Postion #311 allinanchor: #6 - 07/18/2004 [3 DCs #291, 3 DCs #300, 3 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309]**
Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

67 - 7/09/2004 (All datacenters)
70 - 7/10/2004 (All datacenters)
76 - 7/13/2004 (All datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

249 - 7/09/2004
245 - 7/10/2004
252 - 7/13/2004
256 - 7/14/2004
249 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

225 - 7/09/2004
Unchanged from previous date
203 - 7/13/2004
206 - 7/14/2004
214 - 7/15/2004
218 - 7/16/2004
200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999[

[mcdar]

I was just checking out backlinks that Google is reporting and finally realized something.

The main page www.mcdar.com is credited with some links from this forum that are actually pointing to www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm.

Is this one of the "freak" anomalies of the last update or has this been common all along?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #6 - 07/29/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 1 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 14 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318, 4 DCs #319] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/29/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
3020 - 7/29/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
167 - 7/29/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #-9999

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #6 - 07/29/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 1 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 14 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318, 4 DCs #319] ***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #6 - 07/30/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 1 DCs #313, 1 DCs #314, 14 DCs #315, 4 DCs #316, 1 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
3020 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
167 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

Just in case anyone looks at this thread anymore...

Yesterday on the .akadns bank of datacenters:
216.239.53.99 -position # 34 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.39.99 -position # 298 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.99 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.51.99 -position # 318 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.104 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.104 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.147 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

Today on the .akadns bank of datacenters:
216.239.53.99 34 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.39.99 297 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.99 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.51.99 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.104 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.104 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.147 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

:eek: Now add to the position #34 on some datacenters - GONE COMPLETELY from some other datacenters.
Specifically:
216.239.53.99
216.239.37.99
64.233.161.98
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104

:confused:

Sorry, but I just don't know what to make of this!

[compar]

I think the only ones in the world who could possibly know are Google themselves, but I don't have a high degree of confidence that they even know.

[mcdar]

...but I don't have a high degree of confidence that they even know.


I believe this more and more with every passing day!

[leeds1]

Of course we still read this thread !

and you do appear (at the bottom - position 29 !!!!) on 216.239.53.99

http://216.239.53.99/search?q=sleeping+bags&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=20&sa=N

[mcdar]

leeds1,

When I click on the link you provided, the experiment is nowhere to be found!

Odd.

[leeds1]

you're right

In the 7 hrs between me posting and you checking google has done its update.

You are now here at #36 >http://216.239.53.99/search?q=sleeping+bags&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=30&sa=N

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #6 - 07/29/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 1 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 14 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318, 4 DCs #319] ***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #6 - 07/30/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 1 DCs #313, 1 DCs #314, 14 DCs #315, 4 DCs #316, 1 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318] ***
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #6 - 07/31/2004 [16DCs #Not Found, 2 DCs #39, 6 DCs #40, 7 DCs #42, 4 DCs #48] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
3020 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3160 - 7/31/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
167 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/31/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[mcdar]

Just in case anyone looks at this thread anymore...

Yesterday on the .akadns bank of datacenters:
216.239.53.99 -position # 34 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.39.99 -position # 298 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.99 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.51.99 -position # 318 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.104 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.104 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.147 -position # 317 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

Today on the .akadns bank of datacenters:
216.239.53.99 34 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.39.99 297 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.99 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.51.99 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.104 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.104 316 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.147 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

:eek: Now add to the position #34 on some datacenters - GONE COMPLETELY from some other datacenters.
Specifically:
216.239.53.99
216.239.37.99
64.233.161.98
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104

:confused:

Sorry, but I just don't know what to make of this!

...and for contrast, I'll add this mornings view
! = Not Found

216.239.53.99 42 http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.39.99 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.99 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.51.99 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.104 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.41.104 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
216.239.37.147 ! http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm

:D The good news is we are no longer in the 300's somewhere AND only 5 different positions found between all of the datacenters (instead of the previous 9) :cool:

[16 DCs Not Found, 2 DCs #39, 6 DCs #40, 7 DCs #42, 4 DCs #48]

Edited to add: by the way, I am using the Datacenter Quick Check (http://www.mcdar.net/q-check/datatool.asp) tool to find these results

[mcdar]

also...

Look at the spike in changes in Google yesterday as reported by

Rank Pulse (http://www.rankpulse.com/)

Caryl

[Dominic]

Hi all,

I just read the first 19 pages of 99 pages of posts on this topic and found it very interesting.

I was wondering if mcdar or compar or foxy were willing to sumarise the experiment to date with some kind of a timeline of events and if possible major learnings?

Thanks,

Dominic

[Foxy]

Hmmmmm....Not sure we are at that spot yet!!

My current thinking is very different from before as, you can imagine, probably, are McDars and Compars :)

[compar]

True. We could write a time line but we sure couldn't write any conclusions. I know less about what is going on now that at any previous time during this experiment.

If as the changes would seem to indicate we are suddenly going to jump from 300+ to something in the 30 to 40 range, has anybody got an explanation?

My explanation is that Google fucked up real bad about 2 weeks ago and is starting to straighten it out.

[anthonycea]

They are watching and listening to you all, as others are :D

[compar]

They are watching and listening to you all, as others are :D
Well then let "them" explain it, or admit that they fucked up.

[anthonycea]

Explain what Bob? Why don't you give us a summation at this point in the thread since it is so long that no one will ever go back to read and understand it? :confused:

[compar]

Explain what Bob? Why don't you give us a summation at this point in the thread since it is so long that no one will ever go back to read and understand it? :confused:
Just read the previous 5 or 10 posts and all will be revealed.

[anthonycea]

No Compar, it can not be revealed to those who just entered the thread since they are not SEO experts.

They do not understand the basic terms you are using, so since it is your thread you should explain what you are saying in dummy terms. OK :D

[compar]

Not enough bait on that hook Anthony. I'm not biting. :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

So you want us to write for your infopool, buy you will not write for us? :confused:

[Foxy]

They are watching and listening to you all, as others are :D

Yeah probably - but that is no big deal.

I suspect that what Bob has said is correct. For example - In asking for opinions on a ski site that we have that was totally ahead on all factors that we know about, to all the 8 ahead of it, Bob came back with, as others did also, of putting more content on the page/s - Guess what? I went down 1 place! In all the other search engines including the new MSN I am where I would think I should be. Other pages from other sites show the same.

So we have a scenario

1. Google fucked up as Bob says
2. Google has changed the link weighting strategy in the algo
3. Google is creating purposely a situation of instability view Rank Pulse (http://www.rankpulse.com/) and notice the steady upward trend of the graph.
4. Google has someone who reads this thread, decided to play Goddle and create havoc for us mere DPers but forgot to switch the Goddle button across to the new Algo.

:D

[anthonycea]

Thank you for responding Foxy, Bob is too good for me now :mad: :confused:

Yeah someone is watching, I think there is a special spider that Google planted on this thread, it is reporting directly to Larry Page's desk.

No wonder Bob will not give his summary :D Sergey is watching this also :eek:

[Dominic]

Just wanted to post the 1000'th post in a thread :)

[anthonycea]

Congrat's Dominic, after all the work these guys put in the thread you and I come in to grab glory and threadjack it.

Shawn will have to buy another hard drive for us clowns to keep posting in excellent threads, we just came in to get some of Compar's glory, right, maybe some will rub off on both of us.

I think this thread has more views than the Super Bowl, Shawn should start charging separate fees for advertisers in this one.

You could fill up Madison Square Garden with the views this thread has had, congrat's Compar, now can we get our summary? :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #6 - 07/29/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 1 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 14 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318, 4 DCs #319] ***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #6 - 07/30/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 1 DCs #313, 1 DCs #314, 14 DCs #315, 4 DCs #316, 1 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318] ***
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #6 - 07/31/2004 [16DCs #Not Found, 2 DCs #39, 6 DCs #40, 7 DCs #42, 4 DCs #48] ***
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #7 - 08/01/2004 [15DCs #Not Found, 2 DCs #46, 11 DCs #47, 2 DCs #48, 4 DCs #53] ***

_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
3020 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3160 - 7/31/2004
3360 - 8/01/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
167 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/31/2004
168 - 8/01/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[Dominic]

Anthony that was my first and probably last post as a 'clown,' so sorry for stepping into your novelty world but the circus is all yours mate.

[anthonycea]

Sure Dominic, we believe you, please you are always welcome to the stage man, don't worry, Compar is the number 1 comic here at DP, he needs assistants to join him once in a while :D

You can open the show for him, just leave yourself open once in a while, a good set up man knows that this is part of the craft :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**29 DCs are NOT responding**
***27 DCs are NOT responding**

The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #316 allinanchor: #6 - 07/19/2004 [3 DCs #299, 2 DCs #308, 4 DCs #310, 2 DCs #320]**
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/20/2004 [3 DCs #296, 6 DCs #304, 5 DCs #314, 8 DCs #316]***
Postion #314 allinanchor: #7 - 07/21/2004 [5 DCs #292, 4 DCs #303, 7 DCs #312, 1 DCs #313]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/22/2004 [3 DCs #295, 3 DCs #304, 5 DCs #316, 7 DCs #317]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/23/2004 [3 DCs #293, 5 DCs #308, 4 DCs #309, 6 DCs #312, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #7 - 07/24/2004 [4 DCs #295, 6 DCs #308, 6 DCs #314, 3 DCs #316]***
Postion #316 allinanchor: #7 - 07/25/2004 [4 DCs #32 ,3 DCs #296, 4 DCs #306, 2 DCs #307, 2 DCs #314, 7 DCs #315]***
Postion #34 allinanchor: #7 - 07/26/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 5 DCs #308, 1 DCs #310, 2 DCs #314, 6 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 4 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #320 allinanchor: #7 - 07/27/2004 [7 DCs #34, 3 DCs #300, 5 DCs #310, 4 DCs #311, 3 DCs #319, 8 DCs #320, 2 DCs #321, 4 DCs #323] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #7 - 07/28/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 2 DCs #309, 4 DCs #310, 11 DCs #317, 4 DCs #318] ***
Postion #317 allinanchor: #6 - 07/29/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #298, 1 DCs #315, 1 DCs #316, 14 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318, 4 DCs #319] ***
Postion #315 allinanchor: #6 - 07/30/2004 [9 DCs #34, 3 DCs #297, 1 DCs #313, 1 DCs #314, 14 DCs #315, 4 DCs #316, 1 DCs #317, 1 DCs #318] ***
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #6 - 07/31/2004 [16DCs #Not Found, 2 DCs #39, 6 DCs #40, 7 DCs #42, 4 DCs #48] ***
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #7 - 08/01/2004 [15DCs #Not Found, 2 DCs #46, 11 DCs #47, 2 DCs #48, 4 DCs #53] ***[/B]
Postion #Not Found allinanchor: #7 - 08/02/2004 [15DCs #Not Found, 6 DCs #45, 9 DCs #47, 4 DCs #50] ***


_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

79 - 7/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
85 - 7/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
83 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.komar.org +sleeping Bags )
Alek's PR 7 Link:
Not reported by Google 4/17/2004
Reported by Google 4/18/2004 (all datacenters)
Unchanged from previous date
Link removed / no longer pointing to page 6/2/2004
__________________
note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004

238 - 7/17/2004
235 - 7/18/2004
230 - 7/19/2004
234 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
231 - 7/22/2004
600 - 7/23/2004
606 - 7/24/2004
1510 - 7/25/2004
1930 - 7/26/2004
2400 - 7/27/2004
2730 - 7/28/2004
3020 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
3160 - 7/31/2004
3360 - 8/01/2004
3440 - 8/02/2004
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )

200 - 7/17/2004
192 - 7/18/2004
172 - 7/19/2004
160 - 7/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
164[/COLOR] - 7/22/2004
Unchanged from previous date
169 - 7/24/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
167 - 7/29/2004
Unchanged from previous date
171 - 7/31/2004
168 - 8/01/2004
167 - 8/02/2004
__________________

"Sandbox" info - this search theoretically removes "sandbox" link filter
Results for - ( sleeping bags -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -dsa -das -das -dsa )

#34 - 06/22/2004
#33 - 06/23/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#78 - 06/25/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#74 - 06/27/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#131 - 07/05/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#137 - 07/15/2004
Unchanged from previous date
#244 - 07/18/2004
#251 - 07/19/2004
#246 - 07/20/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
PR/Backlink info

~ July 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
129 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 113)
14 of Caryl's links
11 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
49 for Digitalpoint forums
38 for SEO Chat forums
___________

~ June 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
325 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 325)
50 of Caryl's links
56 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
149 for Digitalpoint forums
70 for SEO Chat forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________


~ May 31 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
170 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 170)
37 of Caryl's links
46 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
85 for Digitalpoint forums
1 for Alek's Link
___________
~ April 23 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
49 Backlinks
(backlinks reported in the 49)
5 of Caryl's links
42 of Bob's Links
1 of Foxy's Links
2 for Digitalpoint forums
Nothing for Alek's PR7 link(the link on Alek's page is 53rd link - may validate the 50 link/page theory)
__________________

Note:Google API has page at #n/a

[Foxy]

This is the same that happened with the weber bbqs page - the only difference being it went some weeks ago (and hasn't returned).