McDar Experiment

[SERPalert]

You don't know me but glad to see you back....You might not know me but i feel like i know you! Now get posting! :)

[earlpearl]

Glad to see you around Caryl. There have been quite a few people concerned about you.

Dave

[Smyrl]

You don't know how good it is to see a MdDar post. Take it easy for we will pester you to death.

[dazzlindonna]

Seeing you here made my day, Caryl! Don't do this to us again! :) So happy to see you.

[Cyclops]

:cool: It's a relief to see you are safe and well...

[SEO_AM]

Caryl... I don't know if you realize how many followers you have on soooo many boards. They all, including mylelf, were concerned about you. Sorry about all your technical issues... but glad that YOU are ok. Welcome back!

[Foxy]

GoodMorning, gdday, how are you!

What a way to start the day :)

Welcome back.....whew.....we were worried

:):)

[mcdar]

Caryl... I don't know if you realize how many followers you have on soooo many boards. They all, including mylelf, were concerned about you. Sorry about all your technical issues... but glad that YOU are ok. Welcome back!

No, I had no idea. I really do not post much on the boards nor do I visit that many?????

Maybe it is just because of the tools:confused:

Anyway, I kept up with the Report numbers for quite a while, even when I did not have the energy to actually post a report. But, that all fell to the wayside eventually as well.

In the past, many have complained that there was little value in the Experiment, as it yielded no real results.

Does anyone see a value in starting this back up again? I am more than willing to do it, BUT not so much if there is no interest in it.

Also, I must say I have not kept up on the latest goings on with Google. Anything major happen in the last month?

Thanks again for the big Welcome Back :D ,
Caryl

[Henny]

Yay Caryl is back! Glad to see you post! I was quite worried as many others were. http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/images/smilies/waving.gif

[Smyrl]

No, I had no idea. I really do not post much on the boards nor do I visit that many?????

Does anyone see a value in starting this back up again? I am more than willing to do it, BUT not so much if there is no interest in it.


Caryl, I think how you spend your time and energy is entirely up to you. The effort you put into report represented an astronomical amount of time and effort.

By the way, did sleeping bag page ever pop back up in the SERPs?

I understand Google less and less all the time.

[Cyclops]

To take the load off perhaps an update once a week would be a good way to go......I think it would be a shame to see the experiment die now.

[Foxy]

To take the load off perhaps an update once a week would be a good way to go......I think it would be a shame to see the experiment die now.


I would go with that too....but only if you want Caryl :)

[SEbasic]

Nice to see you back Caryl!

I'd love to carry on with this personally as it makes for good morning reading, but like everyone has said, it's a hell of a commitment on your part so I guess it's up to you.

Once a week would be cool. :)

[soj]

just make it to the 2 year mark, only 3 days to go

[mcdar]

just make it to the 2 year mark, only 3 days to go


WOW - Thats true! The experiment started nearly two years ago....

I will consider putting up a report once per week, at this point.

Smyrl: " I understand Google less and less all the time." - Isn't THAT the truth!

When all of my sites got wiped out, it took Google no time at all to start removing pages from the serps.

Now that they are all back up and running - Google is taking it's sweet time in spidering and getting all of the pages re-listed.

Back in December it seemed that you could get a new site spidered very quickly (a few days) but now days it is taking sometimes weeks! Oh - I can get the main page indexed pretty quick - but the remaining pages - NOT.

Regarding the experiment page -

It has NEVER returned to PRE- Jagger placement!

Actually - it has never returned to even being stable across the datacenters!

Here is what it looks like today...
http://www.mcdar.net/SBPage4_3_06.jpg

Caryl

[debunked]

Caryl, I find any keywords past page 2 on serps to be very unstable on words I follow. Page one serps seem to stay fairly stable with maybe 1 or 2 spot movements, but those at the top 3 stay firm until major updates, and even then they may not move at all.

[exam]

No, I had no idea. I really do not post much on the boards nor do I visit that many?????
Maybe it is just because of the tools:confused:
I think it was just the fact that your site(s) were down and you had dissappeared from here that made people think the worst.

[Homer]

Back in December it seemed that you could get a new site spidered very quickly (a few days) but now days it is taking sometimes weeks! Oh - I can get the main page indexed pretty quick - but the remaining pages - NOT Welcome back my sweet thing....you were missed by many (incl ME). I am really happy that you're OK :-). Your observation above is true AND there are ways around it. The new Google is here to stay along with the new algos. I think much of this stems from patents being granted and implimented, along with human reviewers. You're right about prescoring and that's a no brainer. To get a (new) site indexed now you need to add a few extra ingredients to entice that miserable gbot to spider, IMO.

Caryl, don't ever leave this thread for that length of time again, some may not survive :D.


Cheers

[Smyrl]

Caryl,

Was just thinking and wondering if sleeping bag site experiened what is coming to be called the Google Bowling effect. See http://www.watching-paint-dry.com/v7ndotcom-elursrebmem/google-bowling/

I think the theory is if there are too many links all with same anchor text going live in a short period of time you may trigger some type of filter as Alek feels happened to him.

[lorien1973]

i still think that the experiment page dropped because of either a combination of this or all of this:

1-too many footer/sitewide links
2-links from non-relevant pages/sites
3-no new links acquired since inception

I don't think pounding the same word to the site/page has any negative effect.

[Homer]

Caryl,

Was just thinking and wondering if sleeping bag site experiened what is coming to be called the Google Bowling effect. See http://www.watching-paint-dry.com/v7ndotcom-elursrebmem/google-bowling/

I think the theory is if there are too many links all with same anchor text going live in a short period of time you may trigger some type of filter as Alek feels happened to him. I have read that article and it agrees with what I am finding, Thanks.
Fiction: A competitor can ruin a site's ranking somehow or have another site removed from Google's index.
Fact: There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. Your rank and your inclusion are dependent on factors under your control as a webmaster, including content choices and site design. Source: Googles TOS
That's a crock of BS and just as the article seems to claim there is evidence to back it up.

The other common note I seem to be stumbling across is the sites that got hit the hardest (since Jagger) were sites that had everything (as we understand it) well optimized. Some really big sites got flushed down Google's toilet never to return (so far)

The way I see this heading is the silent elimination of organic serps over time. The result will be the only top ten ranking sites you'll see will have to be paid for. :confused:

[lorien1973]

The way I see this heading is the silent elimination of organic serps over time. The result will be the only top ten ranking sites you'll see will have to be paid for.
what do you consider an organic search? I think just about every site in the top 10 has paid for their ranking, in some form or another.

[mcdar]

Before I got sick I was going over the Patent and found some areas that might explain or "best fit" as an explanation for the experiment page dropping in the serps.

THE one part I found to be most compelling was "the aging effect of links".

INDEED - all of the links to the page were "old". No new links had been acquired for nearly a year. New links meaning links from new and different sites/ip addresses.

According to the Patent, Google would assess the "freshness/staleness" of links pointing to the page and rank accordingly BUT they also implied penalties not just devaluation.

I certainly could be wrong, but I still think that the keyword saturation may not be that much of a factor as the case for that could very easily occur naturally. (I could be wrong - but one would suspect that IF Google was employing this - The Google Bombing examples would disapear - i.e. "miserable failure")

Caryl

PS - As far as Google Bowling goes - ALL of the sites in the contest were starting with ZERO links and obviously all were acquiring links quickly. There may have been a saturation point at which a penalty was applied OR perhaps other sites were acquiring "higher quality" links. So, although they had fewer links overall, the links may have been spread out over far more IP addresses. i.e. 100 links from 100 different IP addresses valued much higher than 1000 links from 10 IP addresses.

Afterall, the author of the article is reporting that his site is slowly "drifting" out of the top spot (currently at #17). One would expect a Penalty to knock a site a couple of pages back at least. - just a thought...

[earlpearl]

Guess this thread has faded away.

What a great experiment.

Hope you are healthy again, Caryl.

Dave

[the2003s]

I know there hasn't been much talk on McDar keyword Analysis Tool in this post. I am new to online publishing and I want to say your keyword tool is great. I wanted to ask you, can you make it so that the tool can display more results?

[Mong]

How did you find this 3 months old thread ? btw

[SEbasic]

I wish this was still running...

It always made nice daily reading.

[Cyclops]

Yes it was a great experiment and I also wish it was still running.

I'm still concerned about Caryl, I'm not convinced that she was the one who made those last couple of posts.

[Homer]

Before I got sick I was going over the Patent and found some areas that might explain or "best fit" as an explanation for the experiment page dropping in the serps.

Hi Caryl: I have read through the patent a few times now and feel that there are many hints to today's Linking at Googs. If you take the time to read and understand it you will get a some good ideas and be a little more clever with linking.

Currently I am running an interesting little experiment (started 2 weeks ago) that is playing on AT. I am trying to measure the difference between

1) apples
2) fresh apples

I have just used these two as an example but I have this feeling that Google is really trying to tell the difference between a real vote and a artificial vote. There may be thousands of ways they look at it but as simple as I think, I am trying to determine if making AT sound more like a vote has any effect :confused:.


Cheers


H
PS: Hope all is well with you :)

[the2003s]

How did you find this 3 months old thread ? btw

I've found it probably searching for a keyword analysis tool :)

[Eodcoin]

I've found it probably searching for a keyword analysis tool :)

LOL Me too.....

The Tool looks great, I've just discovered this thread being a newbie, apologies in advance for refreshing it as such but I thought the tool looked too good not to be brought to the fore again...



Great Thread by the Way!




Eodcoin:D

[toomm]

It's time to refresh this great thread again because it's one of the most useful tools i know.

[Cyclops]

Damn right .... this tread is still very relevant, just wish McDar, Compar, Foxy and co would come back to it.

[SEbasic]

Are they still around these days?

Yeah, I sure do miss this thread...

[mcdar]

Hi Guys!

I'm still 'around'. Albeit, not much posting these days.

I lost track of this experiment due to an illness but when I finally got back on my feet again - BIG DADDY had come down the pike...

BIG DADDY changed the game completely. (IMHO)

Another site of mine was hit hard at that time and I focused all my attention on documenting THAT site in an attempt to evaluate 'the NEW Google'.

Have any of you 'suffered' due to Big Daddy?

Caryl

[Cristian Mezei]

Caryl .. You're waaaaaay back with stuff.

I'm sorry about the illness. A lot of us here were so worried back then when no one could give you a call or couldn't find anything new about you.

I'm glad you're bak though, and I hope you're alive and kicking!

[mcdar]

Caryl .. You're waaaaaay back with stuff.

...

Hello Cristian,

Are you inferring that 'Big Daddy' is OLD NEWS?

If so - I do not agree.

Every month I read of lots of websites getting bounced in and out of the serps.

I read of sites that are - just now - being effected by: Duplicate Content Penalties, www/NON-www penalties, -31 penalties, -950 penalties, on and on adnausium!

Some recover, others DON'T?

IMHO...

Big Daddy is not just an algo change, per se, it is a whole new system of organizing (dis-organizing:rolleyes: ) data.

- Freshbot and Deepbot were replaced by 'Lazybot'
- The Google index seems to be divided into a primary, a secondary, and a SUPPLIMENTAL index.
-Links are counted/weighed much differently now.
- Page Rank (PR) seems to have taken on a new and IMPORTANT role

Nine of my sites were 'hit' on April 27, 2006 [traffic went from 1000s to 100s]. Then again on July 27th [traffic went from 100s to 1s]. I had 2 sites that escaped the July 27th 'attack' until Sept 15th. I believe this happened due to the fact that the 2 sites were NOT spidered as extensively as the other 9 sites.

That is where they languished [traffic levels] - UNTIL Jan 8th.

What happened? - In November I noticed that almost all (all but two) of my sites dropped from a reported PR5 to PR4 in spite of the fact that ALL had INCREASED the number of inbound links!

What did I do? - In mid Nov. I started a 'link campaign' to acquire a few "High Powered" inbound links.

Results? - On Jan 8th I have experienced traffic levels back into the 100s - on ALL BUT one site (which remains in the 1s - again - low spider activity).

..................

Here is my take on "How It Works" now (since BD)...

"Content is King!" - Yes, content is what makes your site a Cadillac as opposed to a Yugo :p !

BUT - Links are now and have been for many years - the GAS that gets that Caddy to where you want to go.

The difference, IMHO, since Big Daddy is that now your gas (Links) requires octane (PR) like never before.

Use to be that the road had only one hill (index) to navigate. If your keywords were non-competitive - hardly any 'incline' at all and a little gas would get you there. If your keywords were competitive - you would require more gas (links).

BIG DADDY introduced two additional hills in the road - Supplimental Hill (supplimental index) and Secondary Pass (secondary index). Now if you need to get to the top of Primary Peak (the Primary index - listed top 10 in the serps for competitve keywords), You NEED a lot of High Octane Gas (high PR/ relevant links).

Many sites, with few links that allowed them decent placement in the past, found they could not even make it up Supplimental Hill (they found their sites pages going supplimental). Lots of low octane links may get you up Secondary Pass (get all your pages listed in Google index is site:search) BUT most likely will not get you far, if at all, up Primary Peak (good placement in the serps).

CONCLUSION:

This new system has made us all vulnerable in a NEW way and I Believe has set into motion a chain reaction that may be very long lasting.

ALL of our sites are dependent on inbound links - to some degree (some more dependent than others). Over the past year, many good solid sites have gone through 'bouts' with pages being dropped from the index and pages being dropped into being listed only in the supplimental index. How do you think that effects the sites down the line that are 'dependent' on links from those dropped or supplimental pages? The next month may find those 'dependent' sites with de-indexed or supplimental pages. On and on, month after month...

What evidence do I have for this? Other than month after month of reading threads in forums full of webmasters panicing, - there seems to have been no clearly defined Backlink/PR update since early fall. Backlink reporting and PR reporting have been fluctuating - to some degree almost without stop and I have yet to see any stabilization across datacenters.

Oh well... Sorry for being so long winded!

I hope that if this post has no educational value - that it was at least somewhat entertaining :rolleyes:

Good to be back,
Caryl

[rhondamorin]

I am WAY new to this forum and to looking into the technical aspects of Google and SERPs. I have been online since 1998 but just put stuff out there and that was it. I never added links, never added directories, almost never added content but I did all that icky stuff like keyword stuffing, white on white text, etc. I got rid of all of that a few years ago because I learned it was not nice and wasn't going to get me anywhere except in the toilet.

Since that time I have been actively building the site. I have added content, changed the site up a bit, added an affiliate store and am actively building links.

I have almost blown my brains out a few times in the last few months because of my ranking in Google. Last week I was getting 3,500 visitors per day to the site and the $$ was rolling in. On Tuesday of this week I had 369 visitors. WTFudge?!?

On June 26th, 2006 I had 3,500+ visitors, on June 27th, 2006 I had 200. On July 17th, 2006 daily visits went back up to 3,000+. August 15th, 2006 visits plummitted (sp) to 350 a day and stayed there until November 11, 2006. Then November, December and January have been the roller coaster of up and down. Up a few days, down a few days. Blowing the brain cells out kinds of stuff. What did I do, what haven't I done????

So I suspected this many server and "versions" of indexes on Tuesday night. There was a post on Matt Cutts blog about it and he gave the actual dates that my traffic stopped. I think on Webmaster World's forum someone mentioned their problems on the same dates too, including the ones in January. Last night I found mcdar.net and that incredible tool to tell me where I was ranking on each set of c-blocks. It was all over the board.

9-10 for a certain keyword on 13 of the c-blocks
340-354 for a certain keyword on 5 of the c-blocks

How do all of those get in sync? How does a website know when the servers are getting rotated and the Google Gods going to shut you down?

This morning all the datacenters are in sync showing position 9-10 for all the c-blocks. So here is my concern about Master Google:

My main competitor has 2 sites and they are heavily linked back and forth to each other. They are not in dmoz either. The only other inbound links are from link exchanges. I thought it was bad to have 2 or more sites that link to each other. Out of 547 registered links on Google's backlink checker 433 come from within the site or the "sister" site.

My site has ONE site with pages within the site that link around. I am in dmoz but Google doesn't have that listed as a backlink for me. Why? Doesn't Google say that is very important to them? Maybe it isn't.

So what kind of links do we need pointing to us so that the Google Gods in all the c-blocks will love us? And how do we know when Google is changing and moving to new c-blocks? Can we assume if the c-blocks are all in sync right this minute that we will be okay for a while or will it change and blow us out of the water again? And what about the google toolbar and backlink checker, it is all over the place.

Sorry to be so winded and so inquisitive, and a horrible speller!

Rhonda Morin

[mcdar]

...
How do all of those get in sync? How does a website know when the servers are getting rotated and the Google Gods going to shut you down?

This morning all the datacenters are in sync showing position 9-10 for all the c-blocks. So here is my concern about Master Google:

My main competitor has 2 sites and they are heavily linked back and forth to each other. They are not in dmoz either. The only other inbound links are from link exchanges. I thought it was bad to have 2 or more sites that link to each other. Out of 547 registered links on Google's backlink checker 433 come from within the site or the "sister" site.

My site has ONE site with pages within the site that link around. I am in dmoz but Google doesn't have that listed as a backlink for me. Why? Doesn't Google say that is very important to them? Maybe it isn't.

So what kind of links do we need pointing to us so that the Google Gods in all the c-blocks will love us? And how do we know when Google is changing and moving to new c-blocks? Can we assume if the c-blocks are all in sync right this minute that we will be okay for a while or will it change and blow us out of the water again? And what about the google toolbar and backlink checker, it is all over the place.

Sorry to be so winded and so inquisitive, and a horrible speller!

Rhonda Morin

Hello Rhonda,

Welcome to DP!

There is really nothing we can do to make the Google datacenters sync up. That is a Google "thing". It really is an indication that Google is 'changing or testing some things'.

As far as linking goes - I believe the strongest links to acquire are those single links (not site wides) from sites that are 'relevent in some way to your own'. For instance - If I sell sleeping bags - a relevant site would be one having to do with the outdoors or such. A game site or one on SEO would not be relevant to my sites theme. Now to add even more 'power' to that link, it would be helpful to be on a PR5 page or greater from a relevant themed site.

Work on adding good content to your pages and adding at least a few good, strong, backlinks pointing to your site.

Caryl

[mcdar]

more thoughts on 'Google's 3 tiered Index' -

As I have stated previously, My one site has eleven subdomains. All had been severely 'hit' by Big Daddy back in April 2006 and NONE saw any recovery until Jan 2007. On Jan. 14th ten of the eleven subdomains suddenly showed a return to traffic levels not seen since April.

New Development:

Sometime between Saturday and Sunday traffic returned to a trickle for ONE of the ten subdomains that experienced a recovery. It had been heavily spidered on Saturday - Sunday only 2 hits from Google search!

A site:search showed absolutely no change in pages indexed. HOWEVER a check of the sites PR now shows that it is now being reported as a PR4 across the datacenters. It recently had been reported as a PR5. (?)

I admit - I have NEVER seen PR updates effect serps in real time - until now...

BUT - I have also abserved that "PR Updates" have not bee 'normal' for months!!!!!!!!!! In fact, fluctuation has been so constant, I have not been able to identify an actual update.

I think Google has totally changed how it is rating and using PR!

Anyways - I record every day - the results of Google site:search for every subdomain (among other results) The site:search for the sub that was 'hit' on Sat/Sun have been stable all along. In fact - other than the PR change - nothing else had changed!

On the other hand - My 'main' subdomain has shown stable site:search results for months and Jan. 24th started returning some funky results!
example:
998 of about 1,540 stable for months
BUT now getting results like this -
338 of about 1,540
183 of about 1,540
177 of about 1,540
149 of about 1,490

Needless to say this has had me very concerned that this would result in my traffic being effected - BUT it has not been effect yet(?) cross fingers!

I suspect that the site:search results come from Googles Secondary Index - While the serps are returned (primarily) from pages in Googles Primary Index.

I suspect that my recently effected subdomain, inadvertantly has been dropped from Google's Primary index. Why - I don't know. It seems more like a 'random' lost data loss rather than anything else.

I am just publically speculating here -

Any comments or input welcome

Caryl

[rhondamorin]

Has this settled down now on Feb. 6, 2007? My numbers were all over the place but they are finally consistent and the traffic has returned. I am petrified to touch anything, add anything, link from anything, do anything. Because what if I do and that changes the game from Google's point of view and they start moving me around again.

From the Google Datacenter Tool you have, I was able to watch my inbound links go from one number all the way down to almost nothing across all C-blocks to back up to one or 2 datacenters having low numbers to all being back up again to the same number. I did notice on a competitor that she got a PR promotion.

It has been scary but I check and keep track every single day of what my numbers are and where the datacenter tool has me listed for that day. I check about the same time each day too because that seems to fluctuate as well.

Keeping fingers crossed,
Rhonda Morin

[mcdar]

There is definately several different 'phenomenon' happening at this time!

I'm gald to hear that your site has come back and has seemed to stablize. I totally understand your 'fear' about making any new changes.

I added 100 pages on Sept 6th and on Oct 6th Google started returning screwy site: search results.

On Dec 26th I added 50 new pages and within a month (Jan 24th) Google started returning screwy site:search results again!!!!!

Caryl

[Homer]

Hi everybody: Nice to see my DP fav thread back to life. All this chat about linking n stuff (thanks Caryl for your take). I wanted to add another spin on this. I think that Google and the other ses are looking for other ways to determine a site's true worthiness.
Perhaps human reviewing is more of a factor.
Trust (rank) is an issue now.

What about a semantic web :confused:
www.w3.org/2001/sw (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/)
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web)

I agree that the new Google (BD) is here to stay. With it is much uncertainty. It seems to me that a slow steady flow of unique, relevant content is working the best these days. On the last (current) update the sites that faired the best were ones that had very few links and very ancient SEO. The sites that have link campaigns and my version of good SEO got no loven from DB. 95% of the IBL's that MSN and Yahoo show do not display in Google. Makes me wonder if there is any credance to the "over optimization" theory.

Cheers,


H

[stuey]

more thoughts on 'Google's 3 tiered Index' -

As I have stated previously, My one site has eleven subdomains. All had been severely 'hit' by Big Daddy back in April 2006 and NONE saw any recovery until Jan 2007. On Jan. 14th ten of the eleven subdomains suddenly showed a return to traffic levels not seen since April.

New Development:

Sometime between Saturday and Sunday traffic returned to a trickle for ONE of the ten subdomains that experienced a recovery. It had been heavily spidered on Saturday - Sunday only 2 hits from Google search!

A site:search showed absolutely no change in pages indexed. HOWEVER a check of the sites PR now shows that it is now being reported as a PR4 across the datacenters. It recently had been reported as a PR5. (?)

I admit - I have NEVER seen PR updates effect serps in real time - until now...

BUT - I have also abserved that "PR Updates" have not bee 'normal' for months!!!!!!!!!! In fact, fluctuation has been so constant, I have not been able to identify an actual update.

I think Google has totally changed how it is rating and using PR!

Anyways - I record every day - the results of Google site:search for every subdomain (among other results) The site:search for the sub that was 'hit' on Sat/Sun have been stable all along. In fact - other than the PR change - nothing else had changed!

On the other hand - My 'main' subdomain has shown stable site:search results for months and Jan. 24th started returning some funky results!
example:
998 of about 1,540 stable for months
BUT now getting results like this -
338 of about 1,540
183 of about 1,540
177 of about 1,540
149 of about 1,490

Needless to say this has had me very concerned that this would result in my traffic being effected - BUT it has not been effect yet(?) cross fingers!

I suspect that the site:search results come from Googles Secondary Index - While the serps are returned (primarily) from pages in Googles Primary Index.

I suspect that my recently effected subdomain, inadvertantly has been dropped from Google's Primary index. Why - I don't know. It seems more like a 'random' lost data loss rather than anything else.

I am just publically speculating here -

Any comments or input welcome

Caryl

Caryl,

Hi, I've never spoken to you before but I've seen you around :)

Welcome back.

Talking about your subdomains...

Another change to the algo is that excessive cross linking can cause penalties - and I think that G has tightened up on this. Do you think that this could be an issue for your subdomains? Do they have sufficiently different content ..... not trying to teach you how to suck eggs, but wanted to let you know my initial ideas.

[Foxy]

Hi Guys

I'm sort of back.....will be able to write more in the future....once things settle down and the chaos sorted.

In the meantime :)

[jimmyfloyd]

just checking to see if Caryl (McDar), Foxy and the gang are still here or have you all moved on?

did the experiment ever end? if so, what were the conclusions? anyone thinking of trying it again these days?

[homebizbuilder]

I use this tool quite often. It is rather useful!

[earlpearl]

I noticed yesterday that Caryl's tool site was down...mcdar.net. I noticed today that the camping site, mcdar.com is down. I kept searching and found a reference to a phone contact to the camping site and that has been disconnected.

Anybody have an idea what has happened to Caryl?

Dave

[Smyrl]

This does not sound good.
Darbyfamily.com registered to her is offline as well

[Cyclops]

I fear the worst .... Caryl and this thread is what introduced me to DP, it seems so long ago ago now. Back when there was a nice group of like minded people who shared and cared for each other.

I hope Caryl is well and all is good but I have had a bad feeling since she disappeared so abrutly back in 2006.

[earlpearl]

I know we corresponded during the time of the experiment. I think we spoke. I tried emailing her. Hope all is okay.

Dave

[earlpearl]

I emailed through here. It went thru mcdar.net, so naturally it got returned undelivered. I'm going to try some other things.

Hope she is okay.

That experiment was a great interactive and learning experience. Caryl did most of the work. She carried a lot of us. I hope she is okay.

[Homer]

Hope she is okay.

That experiment was a great interactive and learning experience. Caryl did most of the work. She carried a lot of us. I hope she is okay.

Me too and yes it was/is one of the best Google inside line threads during its hottest moments.

Back when there was a nice group of like minded people who shared and cared for each other.

Some of us are still here...you beast ;-).

Since this thread is called "McDar Experiment" we need her to continue. It would be very interesting comparing today's Google with yesterday's. They are light years ahead now.

Hope all is well Caryl and thanks for the time you put into this thread.


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[cormac]

I was just about to their site tonight when I noticed it was offline. I've been using that tool for some years and cant remember how many times I've read through this thread.

I do hope all is ok. Can someone update here if they hear word back?

[cormac]

Just an update that the site is now back again. :)

[Smyrl]

That is the best news yet.

Just checked whois and see both registered to Caryl.

[Homer]

Just an update that the site is now back again. :)

Whoooo-hooo. Hope you have time to come and chat Caryl. I used to regard you as my techno-goodess, would love to hear what you been up tu!

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[chachi]

Strange, have not been here for a while, but for some reason decided to come check in. This was one of the great threads of its day. Glad to see that some of you are still posting here. Hope that Caryl is well and the rest of the DP crew is doing well.

[Giber]

http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtool.asp

Account suspended???

[debunked]

http://www.mcdar.net/KeywordTool/keywordtool.asp

Account suspended???

I wonder if she has a lower bandwidth now for her sites?