McDar Experiment

[alext]

I just read the vast majority of this thread over the course of this day... my brain hurts - a lot.

At first it seemed like I was really learning something and very specific ideas were forming in my head. As time went on they started to dissolve though.

With the recent G update now, it is like whatever little pieces of firm thought left in the melted ooze just got blown up.

:eek: :confused: :cool: :eek:

But seriously, thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. It is quite a journey.

[Foxy]

Hi I'm back again guys :)

Well, this update hit me, like others, at the weekend, and, just like this page, I lost heavily across the allins, as well as the serps.

So when I looked at the post above by Caryl I could not quite understand why the movement down was across all three factors evenly just as it was/is with all mine.

It does not seem logical, for example, that the allinurl can fall equally as the allintitle or the allintext as it is judged by a different set of rules....or is it? ;)

Hmmmmmm

Like always it will be a waiting game to see the longer term effects

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
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Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/10/2005 [30 DCs #9, 3 DCs #491]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 30 DCs, #793 on 3 DCs)
Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/11/2005 [27 DCs #9, 6 DCs #756]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #796 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/12/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #751]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #794 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)

Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 -10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]** (Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 19, 2005 00:58:55 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

138 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1100 - 9/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
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Note:Google API has page at #9999

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[compar]

Wow! We jumped up a whole position today. At that rate we will be back in first place in just a couple of years:p

Now I'm sure that if we comb the forums and SEO blogs we can probably fine a theory that will explain exactly why we improved one place today. After all Google is all knowing and all wise. This couldn't possibly be random or a sign that they are broken.:rolleyes:

[Homer]

This couldn't possibly be random or a sign that they are broken. Broken or fixed, they're still serving up results everyday at astonishing rates. So I can not ever see the theory of broken being reality, unless they are offline...messed up, retarded, insane I may agree with :D. But never broken, the daily revenue they generate is beyond what most of us see in a lifetime with or without my site in the top of serps.

[earlpearl]

is the keyword tool acting funky today? I'm getting the site in question...a ranking of 100 or 200 or 300 with bls, pr, etc. but no ranking for the top ten.

[mcdar]

YES, the McDar Tools were having problems but I just now have them resolved.

Try closing your window and opening the tool in a new window.

Caryl

[mcdar]

Broken or fixed, they're still serving up results everyday at astonishing rates. So I can not ever see the theory of broken being reality, unless they are offline...messed up, retarded, insane I may agree with :D. But never broken, the daily revenue they generate is beyond what most of us see in a lifetime with or without my site in the top of serps.

Homer,

The McDar tools were serving up results today as well - the wrong ones! Just because results were being returned, did NOT mean the tools were functioning properly.

It took me nearly 4 hours to find the offending piece of code!

This can often happen with upgrades. The site was uploaded to a new server with a newer version of server software. The new software didn't like the old code!

There is no way on Gods green earth that Google migrates/upgrades and does not run into incompatibilities.

BTW - No one who contacted me today regarding the tools used words such as "offline...messed up, retarded, or insane". They all reported the tools were broken. ;)

Caryl

[mcdar]

Hi I'm back again guys :)

Well, this update hit me, like others, at the weekend, and, just like this page, I lost heavily across the allins, as well as the serps.

So when I looked at the post above by Caryl I could not quite understand why the movement down was across all three factors evenly just as it was/is with all mine.

It does not seem logical, for example, that the allinurl can fall equally as the allintitle or the allintext as it is judged by a different set of rules....or is it? ;)

Hmmmmmm

Like always it will be a waiting game to see the longer term effects


Hey, Foxy!

Long time no see :)

Thanks for the update of the supporters links I was just thinking I was going to have to look them up - when I could find the time. :rolleyes:

Caryl

[mcdar]

Wow! We jumped up a whole position today. At that rate we will be back in first place in just a couple of years:p

Now I'm sure that if we comb the forums and SEO blogs we can probably fine a theory that will explain exactly why we improved one place today. After all Google is all knowing and all wise. This couldn't possibly be random or a sign that they are broken.:rolleyes:

Bob,

Can you say PERFUCKED!

:cool:

[Homer]

Homer,

The McDar tools were serving up results today as well - the wrong ones! Just because results were being returned, did NOT mean the tools were functioning properly.

It took me nearly 4 hours to find the offending piece of code!

This can often happen with upgrades. The site was uploaded to a new server with a newer version of server software. The new software didn't like the old code!

There is no way on Gods green earth that Google migrates/upgrades and does not run into incompatibilities.

BTW - No one who contacted me today regarding the tools used words such as "offline...messed up, retarded, or insane". They all reported the tools were broken. ;)

Caryl I hope your having a good day :). If you read my post and who I was referring to as 'broke' it had nothing to do with your tools, it was responding to Compar's comments about a broken Google! In fact, I've never used your tools...maybe I will now though ;). Prehaps my choice of words could have been offensive to some...
BTW - No one who contacted me today regarding the tools used words such as "offline...messed up, retarded, or insane". They all reported the tools were broken. in this politically correct world so let me please rephrase some of my terms: physically or mentally challenged, lacking a stable presence of mind, confused and page cannot be displayed!


Cheers

[mcdar]

Homer,

I knew that you were referring to Bob's comments about Google and NOT my tools.

I offered the example of my tools having problems yet still "functioning" to illustrate that likewise, Google can be broken yet still "functioning" (or in Googles case "fucktioning").

There is not computer software out there that comes out perfect the 1st release. There are always bugs that require updates and upgrades.

So, why do folks believe so deeply that nothing ever goes wrong in Google Land?

That is what amazes me.

Caryl

[Homer]

Roger that, Caryl.

Wasn't if I missed your point or you missed mine :confused:.

Umm, ya as long Google's serving revenue is generated. On the other hand if they were broke they wouldn't be serving, IMHO. Technical issues is probably a better term but the lingo in this thread has made see what you mean by broke and PERFUCKED :).

[compar]

Technical issues is probably a better term but the lingo in this thread has made see what you mean by broke and PERFUCKED :).
I've explained the meaning of "broken" a million times before on this forum and nobody seem to be able to understand.

The test for any mechanism or system is if it can produce consistent and reproducable results. It has nothing to do with whether or not a company is making money. We are talking about the "system" or "mechanism" of Google's algorithm.

It does not produce consistent and reproducable results. It is all over the map. Hence the "system" is broken. They can't even syncronize their data centers. They can't produce consistent "allin" records. They can't even count the pages properly on my InfoPool web site.

In the assessment of relevancy -- which they claim is their raison d'etre -- a page does not go from being in the top 10 or 20 most relevant pages on the Internet to #753 in one day. Google's algorithm, and vaunted ability to rank pages by their relevance, isn't working. The system is broken.

What is hard about that? The system is broken. How can anyone possibly argue otherwise.

Consistency and reproducablity of results is the keystone of a properly working system. Google doesn't have this. Therefore Google's search engine ranking system is broken. God that's not hard to understand. Why do I have to keep writing these treatise?

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #9 allinanchor: #3 --10/11/2005 [27 DCs #9, 6 DCs #756]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #796 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/12/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #751]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #794 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)

Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 -10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]** (Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 20, 2005 02:57:03 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

140 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1100 - 9/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9999

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/12/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #751]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #794 on 6 DCs)
Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)

Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 -10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]** (Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 21, 2005 02:41:29 GMT
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #28

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 -10/22/2005

Position
4 DCs #26,
9 DCs #27,
14 DCs #28,
6 DCs #767

Allinanchor
#788 on 6 DCs,
#794 on 5 DCs,
#797 on 2 DCs,
#802 on 10 DCs,
#804 on 4 DCs,
#805 on 4 DCs

http://www.mcdar.net/cache10_22_2005.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #10 allinanchor: #3 --10/13/2005 [27 DCs #10, 6 DCs #743]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)

Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 -10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]** (Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 22, 2005 09:19:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #27

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Today (and yesterday) I show the page in the 20s, up from the 700s ;)

The "recovery" this page is seeing is tenuous at best because the "Allins" are STILL FIRMLY PLANTED in the 700s and 800s.

I believe that, once the "Allins" start to recover, that will be a sign that this Event is in it's final throws.

http://www.mcdar.net/cacheOctEvent.jpg

Caryl

(for historical referrence...)

Google seems to be dancing (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=32672)
Jagger - The third wave (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=33935)
Recovery from Jagger (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=34566)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #3 --10/14/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #n/f]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs)
Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)

Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 -10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]** (Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 23, 2005 08:29:54 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #27

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[earlpearl]

I think ranking is solely dependant on how early Caryl gets up, studies the info and posts this. LOL

Caryl, when do you sleep?

[mcdar]

Define: Sleep... :D

[compar]

Define: Sleep... :D
You know, that time after sex, and before the first coffee of the day:D :D :D

[mcdar]

OOOOOH!

I knew I was forgetting something :p

[mcdar]

I still maintain that most of what we see is because Google is having "ISSUES"!

I made an interesting observation this morning - quite by accident!!!!

As I was recording the allins for this page I just happened to notice this return for allinurl:sleeping bags:

Please note: the url (www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htmand the cache date of Oct 23, 2005

http://www.mcdar.net/AllinUrl10_25_05.jpg

when you click on the Cached link you get...

http://www.mcdar.net/BadCache10_25_05.jpg

That is because I changed the url of the page to the lowercase sleeping-bags.htm back in April 2004!!!!!

There is no page named Sleeping-Bags.htm on my server :eek:

I tell you - Google has got things screwed up.

Caryl

PS - Bob, THIS is why I have been paying close attention to cached pages.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #12 allinanchor: #3 --10/15/2005 [27 DCs #12, 6 DCs #487]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 27 DCs, #799 on 6 DCs)
Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)

Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 -10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]** (Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 15, 2005 19:48:02 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #29

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

again...

Check out the cache date and TIME

http://www.mcdar.net/cache10_25_05.jpg

Caryl

[lorien1973]

As I was recording the allins for this page I just happened to notice this return for allinurl:sleeping bags:

Please note: the url (www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htmand the cache date of Oct 23, 2005

http://www.mcdar.net/AllinUrl10_25_05.jpg

That's very interesting! I couldnt pull you up at all in an allinurl search from here this morning when I wanted to see that too.

[earlpearl]

Caryl:

I don't see widespread acceptance or interaction in any forums about the cache date issue that you have brought up. In fact I don't see lots of commentary about it here. I frankly don't get it. It must be one more of those things over my head.

Maybe we should spread it around to other forums and elicit more comments.

Actually I tried spreading comments about the up and down nature of the site over time and during google updates...and didn't get any substitive responses so that may or may not work.

Maybe if you would rearticulate your comments and ideas it might be helpful.

BTW get some sleep.

dave

[mcdar]

Johann,

Every morning I search the same datacenter for allin results.

Try searching http://216.239.57.98/search?q=allinurl:sleeping+bags+&hl=en&lr=&start=300&sa=N

I just found it there again.

Caryl

[lorien1973]

I show a cache for that page:
http://216.239.57.98/search?q=cache:LNEgNZQhi50J:www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm+allinurl:sleeping+bags+&hl=en

Page is also there?
http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm

Is that the current version or an older version?

[mcdar]

Caryl:

I don't see widespread acceptance or interaction in any forums about the cache date issue that you have brought up. In fact I don't see lots of commentary about it here. I frankly don't get it. It must be one more of those things over my head.

Maybe we should spread it around to other forums and elicit more comments.

Actually I tried spreading comments about the up and down nature of the site over time and during google updates...and didn't get any substitive responses so that may or may not work.

Maybe if you would rearticulate your comments and ideas it might be helpful.

BTW get some sleep.

dave


Dave,

THE only way folks will be able to witness these "cache anomolies" is if they take the time to record results on a daily basis.

To date, I know of no one who has bothered. So - no one has anything to say on the issue.

I have stated before (several times) Google says here...
http://www.google.com/help/features.html#cached

Google takes a snapshot of each page examined as it crawls the web and caches these as a back-up in case the original page is unavailable. If you click on the "Cached" link, you will see the web page as it looked when we indexed it. The cached content is the content Google uses to judge whether this page is a relevant match for your query.
...

THIS is why I find it important to KNOW which cached version of my page Google is evaluating.

Caryl

[mcdar]

I show a cache for that page:
http://216.239.57.98/search?q=cache:LNEgNZQhi50J:www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm+allinurl:sleeping+bags+&hl=en

Page is also there?
http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm

Is that the current version or an older version?

This version of the page http://www.mcdar.com/camping1/Sleeping-Bags.htm

only existed for a very short period of time (days/weeks) before I changed the url to be all lower case.

Caryl

[Smyrl]

I started a response to the cache date in a rate this post and hit the enter key before I finished.

I wonder if it would be beneficial to put up a page called Sleeping-Bags.htm and do a 301 redirect to current page?

Shannon

[mcdar]

Hello Shannon,

I don't think it will be neccessary as I only found one referrence to the page with the very old Sleeping-Bags.htm url.

I think this was just a "peek" at some of Googles inner workings.

They will get things sorted out eventually. :rolleyes:

Caryl

[Foxy]

OK Caryl, thats a very interesting thought about the age of things.

About a week before Jagger arrived one of my sites disappeared from 20 odd [when its allins were very high], just like Jagger, and I put it down to a duplicate page on another site that had long disappeared and which had appeared, all of a sudden, in the allinurls - the site does not exist anymore and has not for some time so this perhaps adds credence to your story

[Homer]

Hi Foxy, you may find this (http://www.darkseoteam.com/) an interesting read. This also helps me understand Bob and Caryl's meaning of broke.

I must learn not to take things so literally and probably stand to gain more knowledge :o.

Thanks for clarifying, Bob.

[lorien1973]

Just imagine how everyone would react if this update happened in the "real world".

In an instant, you have some major company or the city changing all the roads to go in completely different directions. All the businesses that relied on the old roads are screwed and now put into some back alley.

No one would dare day - well, you shouldn't have relied on that foot or drive-by traffic for business - you should have planned better. But thats the too-often retort I see on forums - welp, teaches you to rely on google doesnt it?. Next to the post "for every site that goes down, 1 goes up", it is the most irritating one.

And when not a single word is said about it - positive or negative - it raises even more eyebrows - to me, at least. Usually, I'd see a post on WMW from GG saying something positive about the changes - its goal or whatever - but this time, tight lipped as can be. Add that you get Cutts' blog asking for spam reports? Eh? Google can't tell what spam is now?

"Broken" is very apt.

[Foxy]

Hi Foxy, you may find this (http://www.darkseoteam.com/) an interesting read. This also helps me understand Bob and Caryl's meaning of broke.

I must learn not to take things so literally and probably stand to gain more knowledge :o.

Thanks for clarifying, Bob.


Thanks Homer

Sometimes people [read G] just get too clever

If you have read this thread in its entirety you will notice inconsistancies that show human frailties....read human interference.. and as we all know when you shake a bowl of sand all the big bits surface and all the fine bits are below, which means that the wrong filter is being used.

As Bob has said for some time Google is perfucked :)

[Homer]

Thanks Homer

Sometimes people [read G] just get too clever

If you have read this thread in its entirety you will notice inconsistancies that show human frailties....read human interference.. and as we all know when you shake a bowl of sand all the big bits surface and all the fine bits are below, which means that the wrong filter is being used.

As Bob has said for some time Google is perfucked :)
Yes there is a ton of fun reading if you follow the rel links :).
"... My site has been hijacked... my competition has done... I need this fixed now because (insert whiny statement)... And when this happened to Matt's site it was corrected right away... and as a (insert how much business they think they give google), I expect the same treatment. I need this fixed ASAP because I'm losing (insert sum of money here)." he he he! Perfucked or broke I am sure there are folks that are capitalizing on this right now until they resolve it. If they resolve it as they have the PR leak via redirect it could be seen as a niche!

[jlawrence]

Caryl:

I don't see widespread acceptance or interaction in any forums about the cache date issue that you have brought up. In fact I don't see lots of commentary about it here. I frankly don't get it. It must be one more of those things over my head.

Maybe we should spread it around to other forums and elicit more comments.

Actually I tried spreading comments about the up and down nature of the site over time and during google updates...and didn't get any substitive responses so that may or may not work.

Maybe if you would rearticulate your comments and ideas it might be helpful.

BTW get some sleep.

dave
There won't be many comments simply because the huge majority of people simply don't have any data of their own. Very very very few track pages within their sites to this level.
People simply don't know if their sites are affected similarly, so they don't comment.

[earlpearl]

There won't be many comments simply because the huge majority of people simply don't have any data of their own. Very very very few track pages within their sites to this level.
People simply don't know if their sites are affected similarly, so they don't comment.

I suspect that is 99/5% true. I certainly don't track my sites like Caryl tracks this. Does anyone who is following this experiment go to this extent on their own sites?

Its a lot of work. In fact I've thrown out some questions that would probably require tracking the competition for sleeping bags. MORE WORK!

It is a monumental task. Kudo's to Caryl who has carried this experiment. It takes a lot of work and consistency.

Several times I've gone back through the history to track trends in serps and allinanchor.

That is a big job. One or several of us could go through the experiment and track changes in links and serps and allinanchor.

Frankly we have never been able to say..."This is exactly the case...this caused this" That would probably be impossible considering all the different elements in G's algos.

Regardless. Kudo's to Caryl

[Foxy]

One or several of us could go through the experiment and track changes in links and serps and allinanchor

You should, if your going to, track all the allins....we already track the links on

http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm

and last years

http://www.mcdar.net/links_2004.htm

Unfortunately there have been some gaps this year due to work but the last was on the 20th and there will be another today :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
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Last 10 days

Postion #11 allinanchor: #794 --10/16/2005 [27 DCs #11, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #3 on 6 DCs, #794 on 27 DCs)
Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 -10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]** (Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 25, 2005 02:20:32 GMT
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
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Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
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PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
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~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
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~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
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~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
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~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
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"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
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Note:Google API has page at #28

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 -10/26/2005

Position
2 DCs #13 (66.102.9.* Datacenters)
10 DCs #28
4 DCs #29
12 DCs #30
5 DCs #31

Allinanchor
#802 on 2 DCs,
#803 on 11 DCs,
#804 on 10 DCs,
#806 on 10 DCs

[mcdar]

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/jagger-2-update-info/
Google Guy:...
I expect Jagger2 to start at 66.102.9.x. It will probably stay at 1-2 data centers for the next several days rather than spreading quickly. But that data center shows the direction that things will be moving in (bear in mind that things are fluxing, and Jagger3 will cause flux as well).
...

Oh - they figured they might test it for a while before spreading it throughout Google...:rolleyes:

What a novel idea! :cool:

[lorien1973]

I don't see any difference in the keywords I'm looking at. I see the exact same rankings across the board. Its gotten worse. A site (different urls, exact same content) used to have positions 1,2,3,5, and 10 on the front page now has 1,2,3,4,7,10 ?

[mcdar]

Johann,

I think this will roll out in waves just like the way it started.

As far as I can tell, you were not effected initially...

Oct.12th- I havent seen any major movement in my sites; but... (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=365088#post365088)

Oct.16th- I'm seeing a lot of up and down movement as well... (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=372344#post372344)

Maybe you'll see change shortly.

Caryl

[lorien1973]

I hope you are right. I'm getting just a tad frustrated with all this.

I'm more worried that some sort of BLOOP penalty has been put in; and that since I get a lot f BL's my writing articles and submitting them everywhere, that all that work is actually going to hurt me in the near future.

I'm not kidding when I'm starting to think about gettting a lot of inbound "click here" links LOL

[mcdar]

...

I'm more worried that some sort of BLOOP penalty has been put in; ...

OK, I've had it!
EVERY time someone slips in the serps - some new "penalty" gets created :confused:

SO - hear it here first!

I am officially creating "McDar Rewards" this is the only reason your sites will advance in the serps.

If your site moves up - it must be due to mcdar rewards. (Yah thats the ticket ;) )

BTW - you can earn McDar Rewards with every pos rep given to me BUT you must be standing on your head when you give it! (NO EXCEPTIONS thanks Johann for the correction) :D

Caryl :p

[lorien1973]

Yes I do understand your point. I also understand ramifications of such a penalty, but I also know that google has a way of half-thought out penalties for sites that really make no sense anyways. (RE: Florida and the onpage optimization fiasco).

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/31688-35-10.htm
Post 346 is a another person who says they "see it"

I'm not saying its happening, but I always wonder about it. I do have a single page on one of my sites that hit a brand name very hard. I am #1 for it now (across the board - every engine). It hasn't dropped. If a "BLOOP" existed, I'd think it'd be the first page to go.

I know I'm being irrational, here. I need venting time ;)

[mcdar]

the other side of the tree...

My site bombed as the result of Florida!

It was in position #15 and went to NOT FOUND in the blink of an eye.

THE ONLY reason it was at position #15 was due soley to on-page optimization. I had maybe one or two links to the site.

Pre Florida you could rank well with good on-page optimization. BUT with the Florida Update, Google totally switched to value linking OVER on-page factors.

Google did NOT impose penalties they simply switched priorities!!

After Florida, everyone ran to accumulate LINKS and tons of them. Link Farms sprouted everywhere! (Link Farm: a site developed soley for purpose of producing links).

When that got out of control, Google switched priorities again. This time links from different c-blocks (ip addresses) carried most weight. Site wides from link farms simply lost value.

As the result of that update, sites that gained ranking based mostly on link farm links, dropped like rocks (because they had all of their "links" in one basket so to speak :) )

You see what I am getting at here?

Caryl

[lorien1973]

Yes I totally do.

I never actually thought about "Florida" that deeply. I had assumed it was an actual penalty imposed on sites for, what, at the time, was good SEO (making your main keyword set the last thing the spider sees on your page).

Assuming sites don't return after part 33 1/3 (a la naked gun) of Jagger, its probably just figuring out what "changed" and going with the flow. And recovery will happen, like in Florida.

[Homer]

Google did NOT impose penalties they simply switched priorities!! But, but this does not lend creedence to the broke theory. Just curious if this was referred to as 'broke' when it happened?

Does this type of program change keep us hopping, therefore the system is intentionally 'broke'. I am not trying to beat a dead horse with this broke thing, but I have been in another conversations with Compar about this sort of thing that was deemed to be broke as well. As we progressed through conversation in the thread we came to the conclusion that Google was not broke but likely using LSI/ LSA.

My point is that new algos seem to always end up sticking after the 'broke' (testing) period.

The latest update absolutely flatten my Google traffic. In the last 2 weeks I have gone from not in top 500 to 17th (today). So we are still rocking with a possible 1-2 weeks of serp movement according to Matt (Jagger 3).

I have glanced this thread over a few times and what it shows me is how often Google IS changing priorities and how increasingly difficult they are becoming to SES for. :)

[earlpearl]

Just caught the page as #13 on the update dc.

Guess we will see what happens over time.

Dave

[mcdar]

I'm seeing the "new" results on 64.233.167.* datacenters now as well!

Datacenters with "new results (Position #13)
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
66.102.9.99
66.102.9.104
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104

and intermittently on 64.233.161.*

Caryl

[compar]

I'm seeing the "new" results on 64.233.167.* datacenters now as well!
Caryl
What allinachor is it showing. I can't believe we will see a permanent recovery until the allinanchor recovers. If we do then we have to toss out that theory.

[mcdar]

But, but this does not lend creedence to the broke theory. Just curious if this was referred to as 'broke' when it happened?

Does this type of program change keep us hopping, therefore the system is intentionally 'broke'. I am not trying to beat a dead horse with this broke thing, but I have been in another conversations with Compar about this sort of thing that was deemed to be broke as well. As we progressed through conversation in the thread we came to the conclusion that Google was not broke but likely using LSI/ LSA.

My point is that new algos seem to always end up sticking after the 'broke' (testing) period.

The latest update absolutely flatten my Google traffic. In the last 2 weeks I have gone from not in top 500 to 17th (today). So we are still rocking with a possible 1-2 weeks of serp movement according to Matt (Jagger 3).

I have glanced this thread over a few times and what it shows me is how often Google IS changing priorities and how increasingly difficult they are becoming to SES for. :)


Homer,

No, it does not discount the "Googles Broke" theory.

In the end, the changed algo will probably effect most sites very little. That is not to say Google is not implementing changes.

HOWEVER, It has been their MO to roll out changes across all of the Datacenters and then spend the next few weeks working out the bugs.

Once the bugs are worked out, most sites come back from the depths to resume normal positioning.

PROBLEM has been, when this sort of Google Event happens, many folks panic and run to make desparate changes. Lord, only knows how THOSE changes effect the results once G has resolved it's issues.

This time it seems to be a little different. Maby folks are waiting this one out (at least on this forum) so we may truely get a real assessment of the outcome.

No, I do not believe it is intentionally broke. It dos'nt need to be. Google has kept us hopping by obsurring pertinent data that would allow us to optimize better. ie links. Google has NOT reported links accurately for over a year now. This makes it extremely difficult to assess your competition.

I STILL stand by my original theory that Google rolled this update out prematurely and some "pre-scored" data for some websites was lost/dropped/corrupted. This inadvertantly caused many websites to end up in the very same positions "sandboxed" websites reside. Sandboxed websites reside there because they have not previously been "pre-scored".

Mind you - this is an overly simplistic explaination of this theory I have. I just a lack the education/knowledge in that area.

Well, it has been a long day and now I don't even know if I am making sense...

Caryl

[Arnica]

Well, it has been a long day and now I don't even know if I am making sense...You always make sense Caryl - no matter what the time of day!!!

[SEbasic]

Caryl,

Is something up with the q check?

I'm getting some screwy indexed pages results.

[mcdar]

Hello SEbasic

Yes, I just noticed that problem, I'll look into it today.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #753 allinanchor: #794 --10/17/2005 [3 DCs #12, 2 DCs #486, 5 DCs #742, 2 DCs #743, 4 DCs #744, 10 DCs #753, 6 DCs #764]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 14 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 3 DCs, #798 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 -10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]** (Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 26, 2005 02:40:48 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #29

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[lorien1973]

Are you holding firm on your previous thoughts? I'm looking at the "new" jagger 2 results and am still shaking my head. I'm holding out, but man, if second week of Nov comes around and I'm in the same position, this is gonna be a crappy christmas.

[mcdar]

Yes, I am still holding firm.

This update rolled out slowly. Not all were effected in the first wave/s. I suspect Googles subsequent "fixes/adjustments" might even be rolled out with a bit more caution.

I have seen the "new" results on the 66.102.9.* and 66.102.11.* Datacenter Banks consistantly but I am also seeing the "new" results, sporadically, on 64.233.167.* and 216.239.37.* Datacenter Banks. (different from one refresh to the next)

This is a "work in progress"!

Caryl

[earlpearl]

The allinanchor results are still very bizarre. Historically, over this experiment allinanchor ranking has been better than serps.

Its a little worse. wonder what is going on at the googleplex?

[mcdar]

I don't see a change of allinanchor for the un-effected sites in the top ten. SO, I attribute this "bizarre" allinanchor ranking to the "corrupt/lost/dropped" pre-score information.

I still believe, when Google resolves it's issues or replaces the information, the allinanchor rankings will drop back to "normal".

Caryl

[earlpearl]

Caryl:

It just struck me. If google "wrongly" cache's sites it would probably do so randomly. If that were the case all the sites in the top ten for sleeping bags would be randomly affected.

Additionally, these bizarre changes are hitting the experiment page during google updates or alternatively called "planned perfucked periods".

I am starting to check cache dates on 2 sites but I'm skeptical of that impact, if only because the wierd changes haven't occurred more often (in conjunction with possibly many wierd cache dates) and also because some of the other sites for the keyword phrase aren't being similarly affected.

What do you think about that?

I keep falling back on this thought that something about the site makes it "fragile" and susceptible to be jerked around on the google roller coaster.

Dave

[lorien1973]

I keep falling back on this thought that something about the site makes it "fragile" and susceptible to be jerked around on the google roller coaster.

From what I'm noticing, stability relies on having lots of links from lots of different domains. That way, if google "mis-places" a few sites data and the links don't count for a while, you won't be harmed so much.

Before this update, I didn't even know where was a February update, I didn't see any affects from it. Only effects I noticed were this one since 2003, really.

Bourbon, it turns out...was my fault, not something google did. So, really, I was not affected by that update either.

Competitor sites that have not moved in an inch in the rankings, either have lots of links (or exchanges) from lots of different domains or relatively few links (that are high powered).

[mcdar]

Caryl:

It just struck me. If google "wrongly" cache's sites it would probably do so randomly. If that were the case all the sites in the top ten for sleeping bags would be randomly affected.

...

I keep falling back on this thought that something about the site makes it "fragile" and susceptible to be jerked around on the google roller coaster.

Dave

Dave,

If all the sites in a category were effected by something, I would not refer to it as "random".

We always seem to try and group things the way the are "grouped" in the Google results.

What we don't know is how Google spiders the internet. What if we had all people who where effected, do a trace route to their site? What if all sites effected by data loss were hosted in a particular sector of the internet? Maybe a disgruntled Google spider put all of his results in his garage and went home for the day... :D

These are all rediculous examples, but there certainly seems to be no obvious commonality to the sites that have been effected, that dosn't mean there isn't one.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #26 allinanchor: #806 --10/18/2005 [10 DCs #26, 23 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #804 on 5 DCs, #806 on 20 DCs, #807 on 6 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs)
Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)

Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 -10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]** (Note: Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 27, 2005 09:10:47 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #27

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[Foxy]

The allinanchor results are still very bizarre. Historically, over this experiment allinanchor ranking has been better than serps.

Its a little worse. wonder what is going on at the googleplex?

One of my main sites was crucified.....It went like sleeping bags to plentydown overall including the allins and I mentioned this before.

As at yesterday I noticed that the allins were rising and were "about" 60ish

As at today the

allinurl is up to 24
allintitle still 64
allintext still 92
allinanchor still 46


and the site fell back to 272 from 160 something[ initial drop to 750ish]!!!

So we wait to see what happens next .. but here certainly the allins a leading what is happening.

[earlpearl]

These are all rediculous examples, but there certainly seems to be no obvious commonality to the sites that have been effected, that dosn't mean there isn't one.

Caryl[/QUOTE]


We have no clue...Like to pose the question...but I haven't taken the time to look into my pet theory about the relevancy of links.

Just seeing what Foxy identified speaks to the crazy non-pattern of effects. In Foxy's case allins lead serps. Right now sleeping bags is upside down from its pattern for virtually its entire life with allins out of site and serps returning to a more "normal/expected" position.

[lorien1973]

My adsense stats don't bear it out, but this morning I've done more business than I did all day yesterday. That's so weird, especially on a friday. I'm seeing more google references in the sales, but I can't see how any rankings have changed at all.

[SEbasic]

Caryl, is it your birthday today?

I take it you aren't 101 though ;)

[lorien1973]

after following the update each and every day, I wouldnt be surprised :)

[mcdar]

Yes, It is my Birthday.

No not really that old - just feel link it somedays :D

Caryl

[SEbasic]

Well...



Happy Birthday
McDar!:)




..

[Homer]

Happy Birthday Caryl! If I knew your address I'd send you a Happy 19th birthday card :).


All the best and thanks for the thorough reports.

[Foxy]

Happy Birthday Caryl

[mcdar]

Thanks Guys ! :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #768 allinanchor: #795 --10/19/2005 [3 DCs #749, 2 DCs #750, 2 DCs #753, 4 DCs #755, 6 DCs #758, 4 DCs #759, 8 DCs #768, 4 DCs #770]**(Note: Allinanchor #793 on 5 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 10 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs)
Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 -10/29/2005 [10 DCs #732, 2 DCs #740, 14 DCs #746, 7 DCs #763]** (Note: Allinanchor #792 on 4 DCs, #795 on 7 DCs, #797 on 12 DCs, #798 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 28, 2005 02:29:43 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/18/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #9999

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Everything reverted today to "Jagger1" type results.

Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 -10/29/2005

Position:
10 DCs #732
2 DCs #740
14 DCs #746
7 DCs #763

Allinanchor:
#792 on 4 DCs
#795 on 7 DCs
#797 on 12 DCs
#798 on 10 DCs

http://www.mcdar.net/cache10_29_05.jpg

Caryl

PS - Yes, I still believe...

[Nokia999]

** plz don't give me red dot
I am seeing this thread has more than 200 pages.New member like me cannot go thru this thread in 1 hour or more.
So can you plz post helpful things aggregated in this thread?
** plz don't give me red dot

[Foxy]

and as a comparison

Just for the record in view of the above

As at today my site 264

allinurl dropped to 29 from 24
allintitle dropped to 70 from 64
allintext up to 44 from 92
allinanchor up to 45 from 46

[Foxy]

** plz don't give me red dot
I am seeing this thread has more than 200 pages.New member like me cannot go thru this thread in 1 hour or more.
So can you plz post helpful things aggregated in this thread?
** plz don't give me red dot

No I won't give you a red dot...but Lynda you must..and I mean must take the time to read this thread and form your own opinions..nobody else can do that for you..only you.

I have read it though more than three times, for the record, and I am one of the originals, after Bob and Caryl.

So bite the bullet and good luck! :D

[Nokia999]

No I won't give you a red dot...but Lynda you must..and I mean must take the time to read this thread and form your own opinions..nobody else can do that for you..only you.

I have read it though more than three times, for the record, and I am one of the originals, after Bob and Caryl.

So bite the bullet and good luck! :D

Thanks but 235 pages * 10 posts :o Oh mY gOd.

[mcdar]

I agree with Foxy!

The true value of this experiement has been in the journey and not necessarily the results.

Reading this thread will give you a basic understanding of what it is like trying to keep up with Google. You'll come to understand new meanings of the words "patience" and "perseverance". :D

Caryl

[earlpearl]

Caryl:

Belated Happy Birthday Caryl

I guess G isn't big on celebrating your birthday!

[Nokia999]

I don't know about other but i am quite interested to read this thread entirely on Sunday.:)

[lorien1973]

Why Sunday? Google's favorite day of the week is thursday. Seems like they always make (at least start) changes on that day.

That's an interesting "rollback" in the results to Jagger1. I don't see it though. I almost feel like I am seeing a very slow re-inclusion of "anchor text" back into the rankings. I'm seeing very very slow, but steady climbs on phrases that had dropped.

Here is the phrase I monitor. I consider it the bellweather (sp?) for how well google is doing. "4th of july decorations" - very weird term for someone to type in and not competitive at all. I ranked #1 for that term FOREVER (since the page has been alive, about a year now).

inanchor shows 90 other sites competing for the phrase. I'm #5 for inanchor. I currently rank #15. At the beginning of Jagger, I dropped to #28. I wish I had my historical count for inanchor :(

I continue to believe too... LOL

[alext]

Thanks but 235 pages * 10 posts :o Oh mY gOd.

It took me a full day of on and off reading to get through this thread. It is worth it though.

[Smyrl]

You'll come to understand new meanings of the words "patience" and "perseverance". :D


You have definitely exhibited both. Hope this past year has not taken an undue toll on you.

Shannon

[lorien1973]

I got to thinking something here. For the "sleeping bags" pages. Other than the original links and forum links, have any new links to that page been created?

Google, in its patent, talks of link age. I haven't read the patent, but I'm wondering if people have made the assumption that "the older the link, the better the link".

Is that actually stated? It seems that very very old links should weigh less than newer links to me; as the page may simply be archaic and no longer relevant.

[Smyrl]

Well, as a web master, if I put up a link in 2000 and still have it up today, that means I have either abandoned my site or still feel the link I put on in 2000 is a fitting link for my site. I monitor and remove broken links on my sites.

Shannon

[lorien1973]

But how many do that? EDU's, for example, have pages with tons of dead links on them (removed pages, etc). If Google is using EDU's are "THE standard" for domains, then they could assume that many sites don't remove old links.

[compar]

I'm sure Google checks for dead links and obviously ignores or discounts then. At the same time I think you can make an arguement for the value of an old link. If the link is still alive and active you can argue that it is a sign of the enduring value of the page the link points to. Pages that pass the test of time may be worth more -- get higher ranking -- that johnny come lately pages?????

[Bibofa]

is the keyword tool acting funky today? I'm getting the site in question...a ranking of 100 or 200 or 300 with bls, pr, etc. but no ranking for the top ten.

[Bibofa]

I'm sure Google checks for dead links and obviously ignores or discounts then. At the same time I think you can make an arguement for the value of an old link. If the link is still alive and active you can argue that it is a sign of the enduring value of the page the link points to. Pages that pass the test of time may be worth more -- get higher ranking -- that johnny come lately pages?????
you're rite :D

[mcdar]

is the keyword tool acting funky today? I'm getting the site in question...a ranking of 100 or 200 or 300 with bls, pr, etc. but no ranking for the top ten.

I will try to look into this today.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #767 allinanchor: #795 --10/20/2005 [10 DCs #486, 9 DCs #761, 4 DCs #765, 10 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #789 on 2 DCs, #791 on 5 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #793 on 6 DCs, #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 12 DCs)
Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)

Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 -10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]** (Note: Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 29, 2005 02:57:24 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

152 - 9/28/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #26

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[Foxy]

And again for the record as things are bouncing around - as a comparison


As at today my site 271 down from 264

allinurl up to 25 from 29
allintitle back to 64 from 70
allintext up to 39 from 44
allinanchor down to 49 from 45

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #769 allinanchor: #792 --10/21/2005 [2 DCs #761, 6 DCs #767, 9 DCs #769, 7 DCs #770, 9 DCs #771]**(Note: Allinanchor #782 on 2 DCs, #787 on 5 DCs, #788 on 6 DCs, #789 on 4 DCs, #792 on 4 DCs, #790 on 10 DCs, #802 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)

Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 -10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]** (Note: Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 30, 2005 02:24:05 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #27

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[lorien1973]

Google's been rolling out Jagger 2 amazingly slow so far. I'm not seeing any spectacular movement anywhere - google has been extremely stable (according to the API) for about a week now. Normal and typical google movement.

Google hasn't been acting on blatant spam reports as promised either. I still show affiliate links (not sites, just links) in SERPs I am monitoring.

[Homer]

Google's been rolling out Jagger 2 amazingly slow so far. I'm not seeing any spectacular movement anywhere - google has been extremely stable (according to the API) for about a week now. Normal and typical google movement.

Google hasn't been acting on blatant spam reports as promised either. I still show affiliate links (not sites, just links) in SERPs I am monitoring.
Are you seeing an improvement in SERPS? I agree that the last week has been very slow but I have gained 1 rank a day. I am now aproaching top 10 for my money term. Before this all started I was floating from 6th to 9th. I am almost back where I started before the update :). Looks like mcdar is right on the money, again!

[earlpearl]

Shades of Last February/March. I'm seeing 3 data sets on the dc's now.

Don't have the dc's in front of me but I'm seeing

Pre Jagger results on most of the DC's
Jagger2 results on a couple
Jagger3(?) results on a few more.

Think I'll swing back to the Jan/Feb posts and reread them.

Dave

[mcdar]

Yes, Dave, I am seeing the same mix.

[lorien1973]

I still see jagger results on every data center I do the quick-check for. Position 17-18 on a word that I should be #1 for without any effort at all.

[earlpearl]

I was trying to track back to the point where google was showing 3 different data sets for the experiment page. Wasn't that during the Feb/march changes? If not when was that? does anyone recall?

Dave

[mcdar]

Just scroll down the Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)

[earlpearl]

Thanks Caryl:

This is what I was thinking about with the above question http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm

Google's data, organized by C blocks. It showed clear relationships between certain dc's similar to what is happening now w/3 different data sets.

Upon rereading all this information from that period...we didn't come up with any "answers". But there was a similar relationship as is occurring now.

Hmmmm. May want to go back to that data and see which dc's "predicted" or got closest to the results once the update ended in late march.

Dave

[mcdar]

Dave,

At that time I found absolutely no correlation for a "predicting" Datacenter or Datacenter C-Block.

But, as you can see, EVENTUALLY everything just slowly returned to "normal".

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #802 --10/22/2005 [4 DCs #26, 9 DCs #27, 14 DCs #28, 6 DCs #767]**(Note: Allinanchor #788 on 6 DCs, #794 on 5 DCs, #797 on 2 DCs, #802 on 10 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs, #805 on 4 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)

Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 -11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]** (Note: Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Oct 31, 2005 03:31:12 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
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~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
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"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #26

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

I have made up a web page to show the results I have recorded for one of my pages throughout this Update.

You can scroll across and see the changes per Datacenter.

Note: the Datacenters are grouped by C-Block.

October Google Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Also;
If you are interested in seeing similar data that was recorded throughout the February/March Google Event (http://www.mcdar.net/FebUpdateCBlocks.htm)

Caryl

[earlpearl]

You are right Caryl. At the tail end of the period...all the dc's trended into the same results at the end of March...and no set of dc's offered any hints.

So much for that idea. :D

Just thought of one other idea (my ideas often get shot down) The last big update...in Feb/March lasted 50+ days for the experiment page. Hope this doesn't last that long!

[mcdar]

...The last big update...in Feb/March lasted 50+ days for the experiment page. Hope this doesn't last that long!

I echo that emotion ! :D

Caryl

[earlpearl]

I'm very frustrated by this. I've actually gone through this experiment several times..pretty much from beginning to end. I've semi seriously tracked the increases in links to changes in serps and allinanchor. I went back through the Feb/march updates a couple of times.


This is totally unpredictable! It sucks

And now back to watching!!!!:D

[lorien1973]

I have to agree with you.

Once I think I start to see a pattern, I come across a slew of sites that don't fit it. The effects seem to be random, at best.

I am starting to think, though, that these effects will stick around and its time to start adapting to them. We need a long poll somewhere that will attempt to correlate what people have seen and done with their sites to try and discern a pattern. WMW is talking a little about LSI (latent semantic indexing) - I have no idea what that even means, though.

[Homer]

I have to agree with you.

Once I think I start to see a pattern, I come across a slew of sites that don't fit it. The effects seem to be random, at best.

I am starting to think, though, that these effects will stick around and its time to start adapting to them. We need a long poll somewhere that will attempt to correlate what people have seen and done with their sites to try and discern a pattern. WMW is talking a little about LSI (latent semantic indexing) - I have no idea what that even means, though.
This is important you know about this
Abstract: A new method for automatic indexing and retrieval is described. The approach is to take advantage of implicit higher-order structure in the association of terms with documents ("semantic structure") in order to improve the detection of relevant documents on the basis of terms found in queries. You also may wish to understand (if you don't already) bazian logic. In case you don't many believe Ses work on this logic. As I understand it the meaning of a page is not determined by what's on it but rather whats' around it.

[SEbasic]

I was reading up on the LSI stuff about a year ago (Maybe more??) when one of the new patents got released...

It's interesting stuff, and certianly something that's quite good fun to analyse when you can find the tools that allow you to do it.

I would be absoutley amazed if Google weren't taking advantage of this model at the moment.

[compar]

If we are throwing around possible explanations for Google performance over the last couple of years I would have to say that they must have incorporated "chaos theory" (http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html) into the algorithms.

[Homer]

I was reading up on the LSI stuff about a year ago (Maybe more??) when one of the new patents got released...

It's interesting stuff, and certianly something that's quite good fun to analyse when you can find the tools that allow you to do it.

I would be absoutley amazed if Google weren't taking advantage of this model at the moment.Actually they definately are and have been for sometime. Proof of this can be found be using ~.

Red Shoes (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-25,GGLG:en&q=red+shoes)
~red~shoes (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-25%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=%7Ered%7Eshoes) You will notice this search yields bolded terms such as footware, sneakers, shoes, feet, etc.

Pay attention to the 'bolded' terms in SERPS. The ~ tells google to look for synonyms. Really I am not sure what this all amounts to but has to have some significance to this thread :).

[earlpearl]

During the Feb/March update there was a lot of talk that the LSI semantic stuff had gained prominence in searches.

People are saying it again. Maybe there was some element used in the earlier update and maybe there is more of it now.

Both Caryl and I and others elsewhere noticed more logical serps as it applied to local businesses.

Maybe this is a further roll out of this type of elements in the algos.

And then maybe people are repeating the same things they said then.

Dave

[lorien1973]

Google just took the longest time in years to show changes I made to the page. 10 days after I changed a page title, it shows in google. Usually 48 hours or so. I'm being spidered very heavily, but updates on google are lagging way behind. Something is cookin :)

[mcdar]

If we are throwing around possible explanations for Google performance over the last couple of years I would have to say that they must have incorporated "chaos theory" (http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html) into the algorithms.

http://forums.mcdar.net/images/smiles/icon_rofl2.gif

Good one, Bob!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
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NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #26 allinanchor: #803 --10/23/2005 [15 DCs #25, 16 DCs #26, 2 DCs #27]**(Note: Allinanchor #794 on 4 DCs, #795 on 6 DCs, #796 on 4 DCs, #798 on 2 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs)
Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)

Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 -11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]** (Note: Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 01, 2005 04:03:14 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
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*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
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Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #28

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[earlpearl]

The allins are still thoroughly out of whack...though its way to early to make a call on this.

Imagine if these were the readings at the start of the experiment. This update would have ended the initial question posed by Bob and the subsequent efforts. Ironic.

Dave

[Foxy]

The allins are still thoroughly out of whack...though its way to early to make a call on this.

Imagine if these were the readings at the start of the experiment. This update would have ended the initial question posed by Bob and the subsequent efforts. Ironic.

Dave

With the comparison on my site the allins are still leading - the allinurl hit 1 and 2 today but the site still is 250 odd...!

[Foxy]

Ok...finally it is starting to move for me...but note with my site that it was the allinurl that moved up first yesterday and the others [including the serp] showing this morning at:

serp: 32 up from 271
allinurl at 1+2 up from 29 [yesterday, same today]
allintitle up to 10 from 64
allintext up to 9 from 39
allinanchor up to 12 + 13 from 49

but look at the allinanchor ...the second one is to an index page within a directory on the same site.

The only things that I have done since the onset of Jagger is remove my signature on this forum [not important as I did not do the same elsewhere] and spread my incomings with more terms, wider..otherwise I have not changed the page/s

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #26 allinanchor: #799 --10/24/2005 [29 DCs #26, 4 DCs #28]**(Note: Allinanchor #798 on 4 DCs, #799 on 11 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #802 on 6 DCs, #804 on 2 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)

Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 -11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]** (Note: Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 02, 2005 03:42:21 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1130 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

81 - 8/31/2005
79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Well - some say Jagger 3 (3rd phase of Google October Event) has NOT started yet...

HOWEVER I am seeing significant change. NAMELY Allinanchor is starting to move (return to normal)!

Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 -11/03/2005

Position:
2 DCs #13
17 DCs #14
14 DCs #28

Allinanchor:
#19 on 10 DCs
#802 on 14 DCs
#803 on 3 DCs
#804 on 6 DCs

Cache Dates and Allins:
http://www.mcdar.net/cache11_03_05.jpg

Below is the web page I made up that shows ALL of the Daily results, by Datacenter, starting from September 20th thru Today.

Google October Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

NOTE: As I read others talking about changes starting ~September 22 I looked back and, sure enough, the experiment page started doing the "funky Google" way back then!

Caryl

[lorien1973]

I'm seeing some old rankings return right now, so looks like something is up.

I'll tell you something though, if I'm back to square 1 after all this is over, I'm actually gonna be pretty pissed. 2 weeks of lower business for nothing? That's BS, IMHO.

Maybe Jagger was just an extended software rollout LOL

[Foxy]

I'm seeing some old rankings return right now, so looks like something is up.

I'll tell you something though, if I'm back to square 1 after all this is over, I'm actually gonna be pretty pissed. 2 weeks of lower business for nothing? That's BS, IMHO.

Maybe Jagger was just an extended software rollout LOL

You and me both....just plain unadulterated BS.

Sends you right down [in the mind that is] ..doesn't it .. but the SERPs are still not back together yet, so, until they are I remain pissed. [on wine that is!]

[Homer]

Same here. I monitor around 100 keywords and phrases (my money terms). I am seeing rankings closer to original rankings today more than this whole event. As far as being pissed...it's the playground we choose, tomorrow has no certainty! This has been a fun ride :).

[lorien1973]

Some of *.104 and *.105 have good rankings for me. Not all of them though. I hate plodding thru the threads at WMW to see what's up - and I'm sure there is no info in there anyways LOL

[Foxy]

As far as being pissed...it's the playground we choose, tomorrow has no certainty!

A bottle of wine to hand disproves that theory! LOL

[PS being pissed, in UK and commonwealth, can mean you are drunk]

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --10/25/2005 [17 DCs #28, 14 DCs #29, 2 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #797 on 5 DCs,#798 on 4 DCs, #801 on 6 DCs, #803 on 2 DCs, #806 on 6 DCs, #807 on 4 DCs, #808 on 2 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)

Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 -11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]** (Note: Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 02, 2005 03:42:21 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

THE ONLY change from yesterday's report was...

Allinanchor (on the same Datacenters as yesterday) went from #19 to #22.

Everything else stayed, eerily, the same!

Caryl

[earlpearl]

The quiet before the storm...before, as someone else described it, Jabber3

[lorien1973]

It'll probably happen over the weekend. Jagger initially started friday-sunday. Makes sense that'd roll out more changes at the same time.

[SEbasic]

Hi Caryl,

Sorry to mention it again, but have you had an opportunity to look at the q-check tool?

I'm still getting odd results on site: queries. :|

Maybe it's just me - It did start working again at one point...

[mcdar]

SEBasic,

Yes, there are some problems!

BUT - I have been chasing them around with all of Googles recent changes.

I have just resolved to let it go, for now, at least until Google stops playing "musical chairs" with their Algo.

Sorry,

Caryl

[SEbasic]

No need to apologise - I've got months of good use out of it so far - a little bit of downtime is nothing to be ashamed of ;)

Thanks for letting me know - I really appreciate knowing it's not just me going insane or something,

[mcdar]

Oliver,

Could you PM me the exact specifics of your search and results on the Datacenter Quick Check tool?

This way I have the information to test with when I set to fix'en the little critter.

Thanks,
Caryl

[SEbasic]

No Problem - PM Being sent now. :)

Thanks for the support :)

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/26/2005 [2 DCs #13, 10 DCs #28, 4 DCs #29, 12 DCs #30, 5 DCs #31]**(Note: Allinanchor #802 on 2 DCs, #803 on 11 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)

Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 -11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]** (Note: Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 02, 2005 03:42:21 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

There was some positive movement to report today.

There was a "Google Blip" last night so I recorded a second set of results for yesterday.

Datacenters 66.102.9.* & 66.102.11.* went from position #14 - Allinanchor #802, recorded earlier in the day, to position #439 - Allinanchor #229.

This morning those same Datacenters were back to position #14 - Allinanchor #716. Other Datacenters dropped out of the 20s into the teens.

You can view the entire "Jagger" results at...

Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)

Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 -11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]** (Note: Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 02, 2005 03:42:21 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[Homer]

Hi Caryl: I have finally started using your tool, NICE. I am getting an error in IE. Here's what it looks like:
http://www.createonlinebusiness.com/DP/mcdar_screen.gif
I still seem to get all the data correctly so I don't think this error is effecting functionality. The error displays when I click 'Check across Datacenter IP C-Block(Group A)' or 'Check across Datacenter IP C-Block(Group B)' then click submit. This error appears after results display.

[mcdar]

Homer,

There is some javascript on that page that may be causing that message to come up. The javascript is for page layout and not part of the tool's function.

Caryl

[mcdar]

this is what I have put together this morning!

For the Keyword we have been experimenting with - sleeping bags

the Datacenters 66.102.9.* & 66.102.11.* (Jagger3?) are very screwed up!

I have put together a chart to show the placement of the "steady" top ten for my Keyword search.

As you can see 66.102.11.104 displaces more than half of the TOP TEN sites right now.

http://www.mcdar.net/JagCompareNov11.jpg

Here is a link to a previous comparison...
http://www.mcdar.net/KeyToolCompare9_15_05.jpg

I think there is something terribly wrong going on there.

IMHO
Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #30 allinanchor: #803 --10/27/2005 [4 DCs #15, 9 DCs #29, 20 DCs #30]**(Note: Allinanchor #801 on 11 DCs, #803 on 12 DCs, #804 on 10 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 -11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]** (Note: Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 06, 2005 03:41:09 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[earlpearl]

First Caryl I wanted to rep you for the record keeping you do. (got to spread it around first) It's extraordinary. Thank you. You have made this experiment "must reading"

Very revealing information. It shows turmoil...but dammit...why.

With each "update" many sites are freed from the sandbox. That we see. With that there will probably be some ultimate movement in the serps.

That dc shows dramatic changes. We haven't been able to make heads or tails of the changes during updates before though.

From my sites and there competition I was thinking that the update dc's may be evaluating newer links/site structure etc.

Knowing that I have more focused new links than some competitors I thought that might be one case...but when checking it with another webmaste that is not his example.

Love to hear from others and other ideas!

Dave

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)

Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 -11/08/2005 [22 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]** (Note: Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)

Cache Date: Nov 06, 2005 03:41:09 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1090 - 10/12/2005
1080 - 10/13/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[Homer]

Things are really looking good to me right now :). With some 100 KW and phrases I can now see better rankings than ever...right across the board. Anyone else seeing this sort of trend? I have noticed a steady incline in SERPS over the last 24 hours!

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #27 allinanchor: #798 --10/28/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)

Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 -11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]** (Note: Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 07, 2005 15:52:18 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[a389951l]

Looks like things are starting to settle down. What a wild ride so far - I had several sites disappear and now reappear in Google.

[mcdar]

Well, the majority of the Datacenters are now returning results in the "normal" range.

BUT the 66.102.9.* & 66.102.11.* Datacenters have been all over the place for my main Keyword for days now.

Here is just a quick peek...

http://www.mcdar.net/66.102.9.104.jpg

You can view my complete results here...

Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

In fact, using the Datacenter Watch Tool (link below in my sig) on the .99 bank of Datacenters right now, I'm getting 4 distinct sets of results. My position is the same on many of them HOWEVER the other sites are all over the place.

Clearly, there are many different stages to this fiasco.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #746 allinanchor: #797 --10/29/2005 [4 DCs #14, 18 DCs #27, 11 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #798 on 12 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #802 on 4 DCs, #806 on 10 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )

Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 -11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]** (Note: Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 03:43:38 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[earlpearl]

Here is what Matt Cutts had to say about Jagger 1,2, and 3.
Jagger winding downNovember 10, 2005 @ 12:06 am · Filed under Google/SEO

(a quickie post for those SEOs who can’t resist watching data centers)

As Jagger1 and Jagger2 wind down and Jagger3 is visible at 66.102.9.104, I wanted to recap where things stand.

Jagger1 was visible at most data centers starting around 10/16/05. A second, refreshed version of Jagger1 was visible recently at 66.102.7.104 and was at all data centers by 11/7/05.
Jagger2 was visible starting at 66.102.9.104 starting around 10/27/05. Jagger2 was visible at all data centers by 11/6/05.
Jagger3 was visible starting at 66.102.9.104 around 11/4/2005. Jagger3 is not widely visible yet (it might also be at 216.239.51.104), but I expect it migrate to other data centers over time.
Q: Is the update winding down?
A: It’s starting to. Recall that all of Jagger1/2/3 are separate changes. Jagger1 and 2 are done, and you can see what Jagger3 will look like at 66.102.9.104.

Q: Do you still want spam reports if I see things like hidden text, hidden links, etc.?
A: Absolutely. We’re working through the reports that we’ve received, but I’d love to have more. Just to repeat, you can do a spam report at http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html with the keyword “jagger3″ and we’ll check it out.

It looks like Jagger 1 hit the site around 10/9; a week earlier than he reports. Pre jagger?

Dave

[mcdar]

Sorry, Dave

BUT Matt Cutts and Google Guy are just "spinning" BULLSHIT!!!!

If you look at the results I have posted (see link below) you will see that this site started recording "abnornal" results back on September 22nd.

Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

I have seen nothing reported by either of them that makes what they are saying any more credible than what is being reported by many members here at Digitalpoint.

They are NOT telling anyone anything they have not already seen with their own eyes.

Caryl

[a389951l]

I agree mcdar. Why would they need to be accurate on this at all? I think they are happy to give general information just to appease webmasters during an update.

And why do updates take so long?!

Carly, have you every done a link analysis of your site and the sites that don't shift around for your keyword? You might find some interesting findings of what is the anchor text that links back for those stable sites.

[mcdar]

...

Carly, have you every done a link analysis of your site and the sites that don't shift around for your keyword? You might find some interesting findings of what is the anchor text that links back for those stable sites.

This page has at least 4000 actual links pointing to it.

Google currently reports only 167 links to the page.

Undoubtedly, Google only reports a small fraction of actual links pointing to any given site.

Google, it seems, has decided to obscure accurate information from the public which, in turn, has made it difficult, at best, to derive any accurate analysis at this time.

[earlpearl]

I've been following this closely. I guess I was being nice, pointing to larger changes on 10/9 rather than the initial changes Caryl tracked that started in September.

I think those guys would be dumb to spin bullshit. Too many webmasters follow what they say. Could be...but if they were spinning crap it would be picked up by lots of webmasters, though nobody (or nobody I know) has tracked this like you (to our benefit).

I still keep coming back to something that bugs me. I think the page is "fragile" relative to the keyword phrase, sleeping bags. Going back to this post, http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=420054&postcount=2407, where you identified how 1/2 the sites in the "settled top ten" were being jerked around in the update by that dc...still none of them had as distorted rankings and allinanchor as the experiment page.

It keeps bugging me. Guess I should shut my mouth and just research it.

Anyways hope this settles and the site bounces back into the top ten.

Dave

[mcdar]

...

I think those guys would be dumb to spin bullshit. Too many webmasters follow what they say. Could be...but if they were spinning crap it would be picked up by lots of webmasters, though nobody (or nobody I know) has tracked this like you (to our benefit).

...


Dave

Dave,

Please give me an example, from either of them, where they actually said anything substantial that they could be pinned down on.

Their posts read more like that of a Fortune Teller using such generalities that most anything could be interpreted into verifying their statements.

I, myself, went much further out on a limb making assertions from the beginning, based on Google's history, that I could have been proven wrong about.

Dumb to spin bullshit???

If I were publically know as a "google insider" and this disaster found everyone demanding information from me... What the hell are you going to say???

I don't know? (lose all credibility)
or
maybe the TRUTH? (lose job)

Google will NEVER make a public statement admitting to anything less that perfection.

These guys are just covering their and Google's Asses.

IMHO
Caryl

[a389951l]

I still keep coming back to something that bugs me. I think the page is "fragile" relative to the keyword phrase, sleeping bags. Going back to this post, http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=420054&postcount=2407, where you identified how 1/2 the sites in the "settled top ten" were being jerked around in the update by that dc...still none of them had as distorted rankings and allinanchor as the experiment page.

It keeps bugging me. Guess I should shut my mouth and just research it.

I agree and it bugs me too because it affects several of my sites also. I have a theory that it to do with the type and number of links. I have been doing some analysis not done yet but there is a difference between those sites that shift and those that do not during an update. I'll post my findings when I am done looking at several more sites.

[mcdar]

...

I still keep coming back to something that bugs me. I think the page is "fragile" relative to the keyword phrase, sleeping bags. Going back to this post, http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=420054&postcount=2407, where you identified how 1/2 the sites in the "settled top ten" were being jerked around in the update by that dc...still none of them had as distorted rankings and allinanchor as the experiment page.

It keeps bugging me. Guess I should shut my mouth and just research it.

Anyways hope this settles and the site bounces back into the top ten.

Dave

In essence the site is very vulnerable.

One "myth" that this experiment has proven wrong (up til now) is that you must have relevant links.

99% of the links pointing to this page are NOT from sites having anything remotely to do with camping equipment.

If you remmeber back to the beginning of this thread, I origianlly was targeting the main page of my site with relevant links with appropriate anchor text.

BUT there were so many links with "uncontrolled" anchor text pointing to that page, I thought it an unsurmountable task to try and "turn it around". That is why I created a whole new page and went to great efforts to keep the theme pure.

If this has made the page vulnerable - I will take it.

BUT I will remind you that a great many sites have been effected in these Google Events and they most likely do not share the same linking strategies as the experiment page.

Caryl

[earlpearl]

In essence the site is very vulnerable.

One "myth" that this experiment has proven wrong (up til now) is that you must have relevant links.

99% of the links pointing to this page are NOT from sites having anything remotely to do with camping equipment.

If you remmeber back to the beginning of this thread, I origianlly was targeting the main page of my site with relevant links with appropriate anchor text.

BUT there were so many links with "uncontrolled" anchor text pointing to that page, I thought it an unsurmountable task to try and "turn it around". That is why I created a whole new page and went to great efforts to keep the theme pure.

If this has made the page vulnerable - I will take it.

BUT I will remind you that a great many sites have been effected in these Google Events and they most likely do not share the same linking strategies as the experiment page.

Caryl

Caryl:

I agree with much of this. I think the page is vulnerable. But it was only learned subject to this experiment and your recording of data. In both the Feb/March update and this one the site has "bounced" more than some others (as you documented). (At least that is how I interpret this).

With regard to the "myth" of unrelated links....WOW.

I still suscribe to trying to get only related links. Regardless over the course of this experiment (especially last year/in fact about 1 year ago) this page soared in serps and allinanchor from (probably 99%) unrelated links with a single anchor text phrase.

If Google is beginning to stabilize...and the site reverts to "normal" rankings it will do so primarily based on the above factors.

As to the vulnerabilty question...the experiment is what it is...which can lead to further analysis. Based on your post here http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=420054&postcount=2407 the experiment page bounced more than some of the other sites which were also adversely affected by the google update.

I find that intriguing and curious. My first guess is that it is because of the nature of the links.

I think I'll study this with my own industry/site and 2 or 3 competitors...then report back. It will take time...as I'm not a programmer.

My site and 2 others keep making progress on a couple of terms.

I'm going to pick out a site that is taking the worst beating with this latest update and see if I can spot some bl trends. Who knows.

Dave

[lorien1973]

Given the status of the page (back to normal), it may be interesting to introduce a few good links that are extremely related to the page and seeing if it bumps it in a more significant way - and how long such a benefit takes to occur.

[compar]

Given the status of the page (back to normal), it may be interesting to introduce a few good links that are extremely related to the page and seeing if it bumps it in a more significant way - and how long such a benefit takes to occur.
How do you propose to do this? Your posts sound like you think we went out and tried not to find related or thematically similar sites from which to acquire links.

I still object to the "a few good links" remark. Caryl just said that the thing this experiment has debunked is the "relevant link" myth and then you insult our intelligence by calling "relevant links" good links.

Park your biases at the door and don't make any definitive statements like "good links" until you have a body of research data similar to Caryl's to support your position.

This site is currently in the top 20 as a result of almost no links from relevant pages. That makes these non relevant links pretty damn "good" in my book.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
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Last 10 days

Postion #28 allinanchor: #800 --10/30/2005 [13 DCs #26, 20 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #800 on 17 DCs, #801 on 2 DCs, #802 on 9 DCs, #804 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #800 --10/31/2005 [15 DCs #27, 14 DCs #29, 4 DCs #508]**(Allinanchor #794 on 3 DCs, #800 on 14 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #804 on 8 DCs, #809 on 4 DCs)
Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )

Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 -11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]** (Note: Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 03:43:38 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #14

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #27 allinanchor: #805 --11/01/2005 [3 DCs #14, 10 DCs #26, 10 DCs #27, 6 DCs #28, 4 DCs #102]**(Allinanchor #797 on 6 DCs, #799 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #805 on 9 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #814 on 4 DCs)
Postion #28 allinanchor: #801 --11/02/2005 [2 DCs #13, 3 DCs #14, 18 DCs #28, 6 DCs #29, 4 DCs #104]**(Allinanchor #801 on 16 DCs, #802 on 3 DCs, #803 on 4 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs, #812 on 4 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 -11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]** (Note: Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 10, 2005 10:12:50 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/03/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #19 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/11/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 -11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]** (Note: Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Well, it seems most of the din has calmed down regarding Jagger - but I continue to record evidence that this Event is NOT over.

Datacenters 66.102.9.* & 66.102.11.* (supposedly Jagger 3 Datacenters) STILL report this experiment page at positions in the 300s.

This seems to have been stalled in this pattern for 5 days now.

One major fluctuation I happened to witness was at around 1:AM this Morning.

THE only difference was that in the 66.102.9.* & 66.102.11.* Datacenters the allinanchor was appearing at position #4

This morning the allinanchor was back into the 60s.

Here you can view all recorded results since September 22nd.
Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Another sign that things might be at a point of changing again is that today's cache date is one of the "Phantom Cache Dates".

I just coined that phrase to signify the unusual appearance of an earlier cache date that was never reported at that particular date and time.

http://www.mcdar.net/cache11_13_05.jpg

Caryl

[compar]

It is also interesting to note in today's results that almost every site that contains links to the experimental page has suddenly lost a bunch of pages????? My InfoPool, for instance, went from 174 pages reported to 150.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #802 --11/04/2005 [2 DCs #13, 17 DCs #14, 14 DCs #28]**(Allinanchor #22 on 10 DCs, #802 on 14 DCs, #803 on 3 DCs, #804 on 6 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 -11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]** (Note: Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 10/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[earlpearl]

Caryl: Is the data center tool down?

Dave

[earlpearl]

I can't seem to quote old posts.

Regardless I had suggested that Matt Cutts is posting helpful info in his blog and Caryl had disagreed.

With his most recent entry about Google Analytics (formerly Urchin) he showed himself to be a cheap flak for a google tool that will deep mine your information and give it all to google.

I think its the most dangerous thing on the web.

In any case. I take it back. Caryl you were right then and right now.

Dave

[mcdar]

Dave,

That was indeed my first impression when I read of this new Google tool in another thread on DP!!!!

DATA MINING!

Haven't bothered to read Cutts blog :rolleyes:

Caryl

[Homer]

With his most recent entry about Google Analytics (formerly Urchin) he showed himself to be a cheap flak for a google tool that will deep mine your information and give it all to google. Maybe he's doing his job :confused:.

All my sites seem back to where we started. It's too bad that the priceless info on this thread is available to Google, Matt should really be sharing some inside info with us. I hope his credibility suffers.


I found this article (http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/topnews/wpn-60-20051110GooglesJaggerUpdateDustBeginstoSettle.html#Jagger)a good read!

Is it true that the early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese?:)

[earlpearl]

Based on two things; the comments on the start date for Jagger, which both Caryl and someone who commented on his blog (9/22) versus what he said; and his slick sales piece on Google Analytics; I think the blog is a slick google sales piece.

I think he is doing his job...and its working. Its slick.

The article is interesting. Did you see the same thing? I gotta check a couple of niche directories to see how they are showing. We might need to re up payments to them...and frankly they aren't working relative to what they are costing us. Maybe we can knock down the payments.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/05/2005 [2 DCs #13, 13 DCs #14, 18 DCs #15]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 -11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]** (Note: Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #800 --11/06/2005 [2 DCs #14, 27 DCs #15, 4 DCs #672]**(Allinanchor #21 on 10 DCs, #716 on 4 DCs, #800 on 10 DCs, #801 on 4 DCs, #803 on 5 DCs)
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 -11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]** (Note: Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1070 - 10/18/2005
1050 - 10/19/2005
1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #18

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

I am still seeing major differences between Datacenters!

Today, the page is at...

Position #18 on 19 Datacenters
Position #64 on 10 Datacenters
Position #318 on 4 Datacenters

The cache date has been that of the "Phantom Cache Date" for 4 days now.

http://www.mcdar.net/cache11_16_05.jpg

So far - it has been 56 days that Google has been farting around!!!!

The Update last February/March lasted a total of 55 Days.

Here is the link to my "Jagger" results...

Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Caryl

[earlpearl]

I'm seeing more "late Jagger flux". Thought I had seen the last of it on my serps and categories.

Guess its a new record breaker timewise. All flux all the time. What gives Google?

[Homer]

We re calling it "Jagger flux" :confused:. Who's to say the this is not going to continue as a constant rolling algo? I thought Google SERPS Were updated daily anyways?

[mcdar]

You want to call this "normal" flux???????

Position #18 on 19 Datacenters
Position #64 on 10 Datacenters
Position #318 on 4 Datacenters

I suppose there is nothing wrong with a tire if it is only flat on the bottom.

[Homer]

mcdar, if I may ask a silly question...Is the perfect world in Google serps when all DCs are in sync?

[Infiniterb]

If you scan through the complete report, you'll notice that there are times when all DCs are in Sync. In fact, this time last year all DCs were in sync.

http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm

[lorien1973]

mcdar, if I may ask a silly question...Is the perfect world in Google serps when all DCs are in sync?
I think at the very least, all the data centers should show the same cache date. Whether rankings are 100% the same on each one is different. But, if things are okay, why would some cache dates be a month ago and some a week ago? Makes no sense.

[mcdar]

Homer,

Pretty much - yes.

But don't take my word for it. Scroll down the...

Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)

and you will see that normally, the datacenters line up pretty close.

The times they were not was during Google Updates or problems.

Caryl

HaHa - I guess we all answered at the same time :D

[Infiniterb]

Well, I guess since Google does have so many datacenters around the world, they could have a test infrastructure setup (like the "jagger DCs") where updates are shown and slowly rolled out to production DCs. So realistically, with such a dynamic task and infrastructure, I could see where we would, and even should when dealing with relevancy, have some DCs that didn't line up by design. This is all given that we know each and every DC IP (which I would guess there are many more out there we haven't even come across).

And going back to the Matt Cutts propoganda blog, to play devils advocate a bit, he may have been told by an engineer (or perhaps is on that very team)that the update is or has wrapped up, but they may not even know issues exist. I'm sure someone from Google has seen this thread, but their extent to following it probably isn't as keen as ours is.

[Homer]

Thanks. As I glance the report I notice as I scroll down that data centers progressively stop responding. In the beginning we have all data centers responding then as we go down more and more appear to stop responding :confused:. Why do you think that is? Might it contribute to what we see as "flux"?
So realistically, with such a dynamic task and infrastructure, I could see where we would, and even should when dealing with relevancy, have some DCs that didn't line up by design. Makes sense to me!

Many have already suggested that this thread contains more info and learning than any other webmaster source. I agree. In the grand scheme of things aren't we scratching the surface? What about the secret sauce? +150 factors that determine the results we all desire? If you can tell me half of them the check's in the mail :D.

[mcdar]

Thanks. As I glance the report I notice as I scroll down that data centers progressively stop responding. In the beginning we have all data centers responding then as we go down more and more appear to stop responding :confused:. Why do you think that is? Might it contribute to what we see as "flux"?
...

Homer,

At no time were the Datacenters "Not Responding".

There were a few times that the page was not found on some or all of the Datacenters, though.

As you scroll down the report you will notice that I have made some of the Position/Allinanchor info a hyperlink.

These hyperlinks take you to infomation or forum discussions regarding something going on at Google at that time. I started inserting the hyperlinks so there would be information to help explain the report.

An interresting side note - You will notice that in July/August 2004 the page dropped like a rock then right off of Google. At the time I discovered a caching problem. Once Google updated the cache the page came right back in the serps. It wasn't until 6 to 9 months after that, that happened to encounter someone who had experienced the same thing and I linked to his blog where he shared his email exchange with Google about the problem.

Large discrepancies across the Datacenters have always signified either an update and or a problem. (Some would argue they are one in the same :cool: )

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/07/2005 [14 DCs #15, 15 DCs #16, 4 DCs #n/f]**(Allinanchor #24 on 15 DCs, #690 on 4 DCs, #806 on 4 DCs, #808 on 10 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )

Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 -11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]** (Note: Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #17

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

An interesting observation...

What is up with Google indexing pages???

Look at the results of the search...
site:forums.digitalpoint.com+sleeping bags

1040 - 10/20/2005
Unchanged from previous date
1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005

Searching Google for...
site:www.mcdar.com results in 26,100 pages

Today the Google API reports 449 pages in the site?????

Just ponder for the moment what ramifications this sort of indexing could have on your site...

If the results of site:forums.digitalpoint.com+sleeping bags were actual links to your page and from one day to the next that could mean a difference between 2290 links or 409 links???

How do you think that would effect the results?

I'm just saying that this is not the sign of a stable Google!

Caryl

[mcdar]

OR....

How about this one -

site:www.mcdar.com/camping1/sleeping-bags.htm
http://www.mcdar.net/2SleepingBagPages.jpg

The first one listed has the cache date of Aug 12, 2005 17:54:03 GMT

The second listing is the "REAL" page - now showing the "phantom cache date" Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT

So does Google count this as a duplicate page????

BTW - The Google API reports 3 pages for the same search :eek:

Caryl

[lorien1973]

My site has about 2700 pages and google shows over 40,000. Been like that forever.

[Matts]

Definitely there's something amiss in the cache:
Searching for mayorga decaffeinated on google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mayorga+decaffeinated+&spell=1

Our site shows in the #4, and #5 spots. But the page doesn't have Mayorga coffee on it anywhere -- it's Folgers?

We do sell Mayorga Decaffeinated Coffee (http://www.spiceplace.com/product_info.php/cPath/10/products_id/402) but not on that page. Not even a mention of it.

The page in the cache is from Oct 2004 and is show supplemental. It's still active on our site.

[mcdar]

Definitely there's something amiss in the cache:
Searching for mayorga decaffeinated on google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mayorga+decaffeinated+&spell=1

Our site shows in the #4, and #5 spots. But the page doesn't have Mayorga coffee on it anywhere -- it's Folgers?

We do sell Mayorga Decaffeinated Coffee (http://www.spiceplace.com/product_info.php/cPath/10/products_id/402) but not on that page. Not even a mention of it.

The page in the cache is from Oct 2004 and is show supplemental. It's still active on our site.

:eek:

You see, when you start to look below the surface, you can see that there are some REAL ISSUES going on at Google!!! :cool:

Too many people barely look beyond there daily web stats/traffic!

They may "check in" to where their site is in the rankings but even then it is only a "spot" check. They have no idea were the site is across the Datacenters.

If folks actually started to RECORD info about their own sites they would easily be able to tell when something is WRONG.

IMHO
Caryl

[mcdar]

I am seeing some pretty big changes occurring since this morning...

See the difference from 6:AM to 1:PM today:
(Note the changes to Allinanchor as well)

http://www.mcdar.net/Changes11_17_05.jpg

Caryl

[Homer]

If folks actually started to RECORD info about their own sites they would easily be able to tell when something is WRONG. I agree but any competent ecom webmaster KNOWS when traffic is down. Although the data center you are querying shows that you are well ranked, traffic sucks usually means that the other data centers are showing much different results. Because there are no real concrete guidelines that Google has to follow (accept there own) I am beginning to wonder if this will be ongoing...to provide entertainment for us ;). But it makes sense from Google's perspective, would this ultimately lead to more unpredictability and uncertainty :confused:.

Caryl, what I meant earlier was when I glance down your report summary I see this in red:
**27 DCs are Not Responding**
** 35 DCs are Not Responding**
Mentioned many times. The trend seems to be the more you scroll down the more DCs are reporting this. Not sure what to make of this :confused:.

[earlpearl]

I'm seeing lots of changes in my area...whereas I saw very little durng early Jagger and last Feb/march.

No wonder they called this Jagger. Ole Mick has been rocking for about 40 years. They must have known this roller coaster ride was going to last a while.

I've become skeptical. They remind me of the government. When things are going wierd and screwed up in one area they try and push a lot of other things and news to stay under the radar screen with the bad news.

Maybe that is why google.base and analytics came out at this time.

Dave

[mcdar]

...

Caryl, what I meant earlier was when I glance down your report summary I see this in red:
**27 DCs are Not Responding**
** 35 DCs are Not Responding**

Mentioned many times. The trend seems to be the more you scroll down the more DCs are reporting this. Not sure what to make of this :confused:.

Homer,

If you scroll down to February 1st, 2005 you will see the entry
**33 active DCs (6 new datacenters found)**

from that point on you see **33 active Datacenters**

This was due to the fact that Google discontinued using many known Datacenters and started using new ones. As we found the new IP addresses, they were added to the McDar Tools.

Caryl

I have lists of Old defunct IP addresses that where once active Datacenters.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/08/2005 [2 DCs #15, 11 DCs #16]**(Allinanchor #19 on 16 DCs, #24 on 12 DCs, #798 on 5 DCs)
Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )

Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 -11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]** (Note: Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

154 - 10/21/2005
157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #17

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #15 allinanchor: #19 --11/09/2005 [2 DCs #14, 14 DCs #15, 13 DCs #16, 4 DCs #376]**(Allinanchor #19 on 26 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs, #798 on 3 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 -11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]** (Note: Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

79 - 9/01/2005
Unchanged from previous date
91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Today's and yesterday's numbers can be deceiving...

Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 -11/19/2005

Please note that while more datacenters report position #16 than any other position, the majority (17 Datacenters) are reporting positions well into the hundreds!

16 Datacenters report position #16,
4 Datacenters report position #269
3 Datacenters report position #305
10 Datacenters report position #306

Today's cache date is still the "Phantom Cache Date" of

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT

for the seventh straight day.

For anyone interested, I have put up a web page so you can scroll down through the recorded cache dates for the experiment page...

Cache Date List (http://www.mcdar.net/CacheDateList.htm)

I have highlighted what I refer to as "Phantom Cache Dates" in a wierd orange color. Note the times of these as compared to other cache dates. I have highlighted repeated cache dates in yellow.

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/10/2005 [23 DCs #14, 6 DCs #15, 4 DCs #391]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )

Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 -11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]** (Note: Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

157 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #16

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #14 allinanchor: #18 --11/11/2005 [26 DCs #14, 3 DCs #15, 4 DCs #371]**(Allinanchor #18 on 29 DCs, #56 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )

Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 -11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]** (Note: Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )

Cache Date: Oct 22, 2005 22:22:09 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

160 - 10/30/2005
172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #15

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[mcdar]

Well...

The way things are going - within the next day or so the experiment page is going to end up with a position totally in the 300s!

Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 -11/21/2005
10 DCs #15
2 DCs #63,
4 DCs #302,
4 DCs #309,
3 DCs #316,
10 DCs #331

Allinanchor
#20 on 2 DCs,
#33 on 10 DCs,
#83 on 7 DCs,
#84 on 14 DCs

Google October 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

The "Phantom Cache Date" changed today to an even earlier "Phantom Cache Date"! - Oct 22, 2005 22:22:09 GMT

Today is the first time I have seen Google return different cached pages on different Datacenters.

This is some of what I found:
64.233.167.99 - Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
64.233.161.99 - Oct 22, 2005 22:22:09 GMT
64.233.171.99 - Oct 22, 2005 22:22:09 GMT
64.233.179.99 - Oct 22, 2005 22:22:09 GMT
66.102.11.99 - Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
216.239.37.99 - Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
216.239.39.99 - Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
216.239.57.99 - Nov 9, 2005 08:11:11 GMT

You can see the cache dates recorded here...
Cache Date List (http://www.mcdar.net/CacheDateList.htm)

Right now I am seeing 5 different sets of returns for the search sleeping bags on Google

Caryl

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/12/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #383]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )

Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 -11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]** (Note: Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #131

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

This morning there are some Datacenters showing Backlink results from pre October 20th!

Last look showed these six Datacenters 64.233.171.* and 64.233.185.* returning the OLD backlink results.

Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 -11/22/2005
10 DCs #132,
4 DCs #339,
3 DCs #422,
10 DCs #461,
2 DCs #483,
4 DCs #484

Allinanchor
#27 on 10 DCs,
#85 on 4 DCs,
#102 on 19 DCs

Still "Phantom" Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT

Caryl

[earlpearl]

I'm still seeing disconnects between dc's in my industry. Its not nearly as serious or disconnected as with the experiment page. Still, though, jagger keeps going.

this is basically 2 months now, from September 22.

Wish this sucker would settle down already so we could start to try and figure out what is or has been happening.

Dave

[Homer]

I'm still seeing disconnects between dc's in my industry. Its not nearly as serious or disconnected as with the experiment page. Still, though, jagger keeps going.

this is basically 2 months now, from September 22.

Wish this sucker would settle down already so we could start to try and figure out what is or has been happening.

DaveIndeed, this keeps rolling! On the weekend my biggest site seems to have had the index file removed from Google serps :confused:. Top ten ranking site fro 6 years! I have simply been removed from my money term.

I mentioned a few pages back that I thought this Jagger behavior may be here to stay! So every day is a new day. It's starting to look like the dust may NEVER settle :confused:.

[mcdar]

Oh the dust will settle!!!!! EVENTUALLY.

This is not "normal" Google right now. As I have stated, Google is showing some Datacenter Banks that have reverted to previous PR and Backlink information.

See threads...
Pagerank Reverted (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=40209)

and

Backlinks update (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=40170)

This is really Perfucked :eek: (but good news for some of us - as long as Google keeps wrything - there is still hope :o )

Caryl

[Homer]

This is really Perfucked (but good news for some of us - as long as Google keeps wrything - there is still hope ) Can I take that staement to the bank ;)? I hope you're right! This has really been a bumpy ride :confused:.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #23 --11/13/2005 [10 DCs #15, 19 DCs #16, 4 DCs #338]**(Allinanchor #23 on 29 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )

Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 -11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]** (Note: Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

172 - 10/31/2005
Unchanged from previous date
174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

Well...

This morning there are 13 Datacenters showing pre Oct 20th Backlink results:
Databanks
64.233.171.* - (4) DCs
64.233.183.* - (3) DCs
64.233.185.* - (2) DCs
216.239.37.* - (4) DCs
------------------------------

There are 12 Datacenters reporting 554 pages for a site: search while the rest of the Datacenters are returning 26,100 pages.
Databanks (returning 554 pages)
64.233.179.* - (2) DCs
64.233.183.* - (3) DCs
66.102.9.* - (2) DCs
66.102.11.* - (2) DCs
216.239.59.* - (3) DCs

edit: dp thread about Google Indexing Problems:
Site appears de-indexed -- sort of. (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=40441)
______________________________

Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 -11/23/2005
12 DCs #430,
4 DCs #434,
9 DCs #446,
4 DCs #451,
4 DCs #487

Allinanchor
#102 on 6 DCs,
#105 on 27 DCs

Yet another NEW "Phantom" Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT

___________________________

Yesterday I recorded changes across the Datacenters 3 different times during the day! There may have been more I just did not see.

Google October/November 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Google is definately STILL working on things.

Caryl

[digitalpoint]

Just a heads up, I decided to finally split this thread as the original content/title really had nothing to do with what it ended up being about. I left the original thread ID (256) as this one, and split out the other content.

[mcdar]

This thread has been broken up and moved to the Marketing area of the DP Forum.

Shawn re-named the thread Sleeping Bag Experiment
Marketing:
General Marketing - Sleeping Bag Experiment

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=453638#post453638

[digitalpoint]

Oh yeah, sorry... I should have put a note on the end of this one too... Sorry.

[compar]

Just a heads up, I decided to finally split this thread as the original content/title really had nothing to do with what it ended up being about. I left the original thread ID (256) as this one, and split out the other content.
And where can we find the other content?

I know it is your forum and you can do what the hell you want, but some prior consultation might have been nice.

I have nothing to say at this time, but I need to make a post here so that I stay subscribed to this part of the thread.

[mcdar]

I don't know what to say at this time either...

[digitalpoint]

It's still in the same place (over here).

[Cyclops]

Nor do I................

[Foxy]

Not sure what the logic is Shawn.... other than having it under another heading

[Infiniterb]

Not sure what the logic is Shawn.... other than having it under another heading

Seems pretty logical to me. The thread no longer discusses the tool, but rather is an on-going experiment that keeps track of a page in Google.

[Foxy]

Hmmmmm.. whatever

[Cyclops]

Seems pretty logical to me. The thread no longer discusses the tool, but rather is an on-going experiment that keeps track of a page in Google.

I agree...the old thread title was not relevant to the subject.

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #16 allinanchor: #22 --11/14/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #346]**(Allinanchor #22 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #24 --11/15/2005 [29 DCs #16, 4 DCs #327]**(Allinanchor #24 on 29 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )

Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 -11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]** (Note: Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

174 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

[compar]

I agree...the old thread title was not relevant to the subject.
Well in my view it is now not relevant to its forum placement. This thread isn't about "general marketing" it is entirely about how to place well or otherwise in Google, and attempts to understand and explain how Google's algorithm is working and changing from time to time. If this isn't a Google thread I've never seen one.

[dkalweit]

Well in my view it is now not relevant to its forum placement. This thread isn't about "general marketing" it is entirely about how to place well or otherwise in Google, and attempts to understand and explain how Google's algorithm is working and changing from time to time. If this isn't a Google thread I've never seen one.

Oh my-- I didn't notice the forum change. I whole-heartedly agree. I originally didn't see this thread until I followed a link from another thread, and I've been watching it for a week or two. Now there's still no chance anyone will find this thread, being in a completely off-topic 'marketing' section. Clearly a Google/Jagger thread, belonging in the Google forum...


--
Derek

[Cyclops]

Well in my view it is now not relevant to its forum placement. This thread isn't about "general marketing" it is entirely about how to place well or otherwise in Google, and attempts to understand and explain how Google's algorithm is working and changing from time to time. If this isn't a Google thread I've never seen one.

Yes I agree with that...... confusion still reigns :D

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 --11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]**(Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #485 allinanchor: #108 --11/25/2005 [10 DCs #425, 2 DCs #481, 10 DCs #485, 4 DCs #488, 7 DCs #492]**(Allinanchor #108 on All DCs )

Postion #425 allinanchor: #107 -11/26/2005 [2 DCs #392, 7 DCs #402, 10 DCs #425, 10 DCs #426, 4 DCs #472]** (Note: Allinanchor #107 on 26 DCs, #108 on 6 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 11/26/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

There is something real screwed up going on -

This morning, THIS THREAD is coming up in position #162 in Google for the search sleeping bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

while the experiment page is in the 400s.

This only re-affirms my suspicion that Google is missing information about the experiment page. The experiment page may not be THE most relevent, but I think it just might be a little more than this thread. Certainly this thread does not have relevent links coming from camping sites and such.

Something is not right here...

See my post here...
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=458976&postcount=42

Caryl

[dkalweit]

There is something real screwed up going on -

This morning, THIS THREAD is coming up in position #162 in Google for the search sleeping bags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

while the experiment page is in the 400s.

This only re-affirms my suspicion that Google is missing information about the experiment page. The experiment page may not be THE most relevent, but I think it just might be a little more than this thread. Certainly this thread does not have relevent links coming from camping sites and such.

Something is not right here...

See my post here...
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=458976&postcount=42

Caryl


No, but this page is hosted on digitalpoint.com, which may be considered more of an authority site by Google(overall) and therefore rank it higher.



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Derek

[mcdar]

No, but this page is hosted on digitalpoint.com, which may be considered more of an authority site by Google(overall) and therefore rank it higher.



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Derek

So - what are you saying? Site size determines authority?

Because Digital Point is so (what) makes it an authority on (everything)?

Dosn't this totally discount Google's supposed ability to determine relevance?

Please elaborate, Derek

Caryl

[Will.Spencer]

This only re-affirms my suspicion that Google is missing information about the experiment page. The experiment page may not be THE most relevent, but I think it just might be a little more than this thread. Certainly this thread does not have relevent links coming from camping sites and such.

I concur.

The symptoms I saw with my one site that was dropped by both Bouron (for 30 days) and Jagger (still...) appear more consistent with database corruption and data loss at Google than with any form of algorithmic change.

[dkalweit]

So - what are you saying? Site size determines authority?

Because Digital Point is so (what) makes it an authority on (everything)?

Dosn't this totally discount Google's supposed ability to determine relevance?

Please elaborate, Derek

Caryl

I think Google has wrongly put more precidence on numerous factors that favor large sites such as about.com, digitalpoint.com, etc. I think the change(s) Google made aren't taking into account that sites are usually only authorities on a handful(at most) topics, and instead it's giving a significant boost to big sites regardless. Very wrong, but based on the SERPs I've seen, this is what it seems-- expired Ebay listings, Craig's list, Digital Point forums, etc...


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Derek

[mnemtsas]

I think Google has wrongly put more precidence on numerous factors that favor large sites such as about.com, digitalpoint.com, etc. I think the change(s) Google made aren't taking into account that sites are usually only authorities on a handful(at most) topics, and instead it's giving a significant boost to big sites regardless. Very wrong, but based on the SERPs I've seen, this is what it seems-- expired Ebay listings, Craig's list, Digital Point forums, etc...
Derek

All of the off topic pages on my site have been hit hard by Jagger. These off topic pages were all mostly top 10 in G based on on-page content alone pre-jagger. Now they're all 100+ .

The on-topic pages are still mostly OK. I wonder if Google has decided my site is *not* an authority site and thus nuked all my off topic stuff.....it certainly fits the observations at my end...

[Foxy]

Well in my view it is now not relevant to its forum placement. This thread isn't about "general marketing" it is entirely about how to place well or otherwise in Google, and attempts to understand and explain how Google's algorithm is working and changing from time to time. If this isn't a Google thread I've never seen one.


Well I agree totally and I certainly cannot get thru my thick skull the fact that something that is totally around a page and its google position can be bumped off into....oh lets have a think of something more relevant....oh I know....Marketing...Yea ...Marketing ...great idea it fits perfuckedly

Uhhh?

Marketing... I'm sorry are we selling something here?

Oh well whatever :)

Obviously something was bugging someone about something

God only knows what that was!



:confused:

[dkalweit]

All of the off topic pages on my site have been hit hard by Jagger. These off topic pages were all mostly top 10 in G based on on-page content alone pre-jagger. Now they're all 100+ .

The on-topic pages are still mostly OK. I wonder if Google has decided my site is *not* an authority site and thus nuked all my off topic stuff.....it certainly fits the observations at my end...

All my off topic AND the on topic stuff got knocked out to 100+. Some have recovered somewhat a certain times during Jagger, but still not to anywhere near pre-Jagger levels, and one or two that are nearly that have far less traffic than they did pre-Jagger...

On the up-side, Yahoo must have finally reviewed my re-inclusion request for one of my sites, 'cause I'm ranking well in Yahoo for it again. Too bad there's still not a wealth of traffic coming from it yet... :(


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Derek

[compar]

Well I agree totally and I certainly cannot get thru my thick skull the fact that something that is totally around a page and its google position can be bumped off into....oh lets have a think of something more relevant....oh I know....Marketing...Yea ...Marketing ...great idea it fits perfuckedly

I agree 100% Foxy. This is pretty shoddy treatment to one of the oldest and continous running threads on the forum. Not even in the right fucking category. I don't know what got up Shawn's ass, but it makes you think maybe it's time to move on to another forum.

[pinky]

On the up-side, Yahoo must have finally reviewed my re-inclusion request for one of my sites, 'cause I'm ranking well in Yahoo for it again. Too bad there's still not a wealth of traffic coming from it yet... :(

I hate to tell you this, but I believe that Y is just showing old data, i.e., if you were good on Y around Oct 1, then you are good right now, if you weren't.....
Either Y has problems with its database, and is having to use older archived material, or it has reversed its last-month update. Quien sabe?

I don't know what to say at this time either...

Can you give an 'executive summary' of the conclusions you have reached from the experiment so far?

[Infiniterb]

I agree 100% Foxy. This is pretty shoddy treatment to one of the oldest and continous running threads on the forum. Not even in the right fucking category. I don't know what got up Shawn's ass, but it makes you think maybe it's time to move on to another forum.

And what's up your ass? Are you subscribed to the thread? Use your control panel and access the thread instead of bitching about it.

Some people...

[Foxy]

And what's up your ass? Are you subscribed to the thread? Use your control panel and access the thread instead of bitching about it.

Some people...

Ummm.....you are out of order here Infiniterb

If you were aware of its history and who are the main suporters you might think differently

Compar started this thread
Caryl replied
and then I came along .... I think that was the order except you cannot see this thread in its entirety [that is how it started] now which was one of its graces

Oh and by the by, I still maintain a complex page of links for this experiment which takes considerable time, and I was member number 3 of this forum after Shawn and his mate WKW

[Infiniterb]

Order has nothing to do with it. People are reacting as if they can't find the thread, or as if it's burried somewhere obscure. It's a little much, in my opinion.

And don't use the whole "I was here number 3, I have seniority" thing with me. That, also, is irrelevent. While I respect your contribution to the experiment, when you joined the forum doesn't matter.

All I'm saying is, why does it really matter where exactly the thread is? Should it be moved into the Google forum? Perhaps. It might also belong in the SEO forum. All that matters is that all parties involved are subscribed to the thread and it is easily accessible from your usercp (most people may not check that, but I find it vital so I know when threads I have responded to have had replies).

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #18 allinanchor: #27 --11/16/2005 [19 DCs #18, 10 DCs #64, 4 DCs #318]**(Allinanchor #20 on 10 DCs, #27 on 19 DCs, #68 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 --11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]**(Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #485 allinanchor: #108 --11/25/2005 [10 DCs #425, 2 DCs #481, 10 DCs #485, 4 DCs #488, 7 DCs #492]**(Allinanchor #108 on All DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #107 --11/26/2005 [2 DCs #392, 7 DCs #402, 10 DCs #425, 10 DCs #426, 4 DCs #472]**(Allinanchor #107 on 26 DCs, #108 on 6 DCs )

Postion #425 allinanchor: #100 -11/27/2005 [4 DCs #421, 10 DCs #425, 6 DCs #437, 10 DCs #463, 3 DCs #485]** (Note: Allinanchor #100 on All DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
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note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

150 - 11/13/2005
146 - 11/14/2005
147 - 11/15/2005
142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 11/26/2005
100 - 11/27/2005
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

1050 - 10/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2280 - 11/27/2005
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

91 - 9/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
145 - 11/27/2005
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
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"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
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Note:Google API has page at #n/a

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

The experiment page continues to "bounce" around somewhat randomly in the 400s.

The cache date has reverted from the "Phantom" cache date of Nov 19, 2005 23:13:23 GMTto an even older "Phantom" cache date of Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT.

You can view all of the recorded cache dates here...
Cache Date List (http://www.mcdar.net/CacheDateList.htm)

You can view all of the "Jagger" results here...
Google October/November 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Nine Datacenters continue to show 559 pages indexed for the site while the rest of the Datacenters report 26,100 pages.

Google is still returning 3 different sets of results for the search.

Caryl

Shawn,

I would like to make an appeal to you to please re-join the thread so it remains in it's entirety.

The reason is that the original thread was really never about the tool, but rather what the results of the tool meant.

There was a natural progression in the thread that lead to the conclusion to actually begin a "NEW" page. That page has turned into the experiment it was not originally intended to be an experiment NOR was it ever intended that it would continue for over a year and a half.

Now, when new folks become aware of this thread/experiment - it is not suffice to encourage them to read the contents of this thread as it is missing THE REASON this whole thing started to begin with.

The value of this thread is NOT the experiment and it's results, per se, but more of a birds eye view of how Google has evolved in the past 20 months and it also exposes the vast number of uncontrolled (by webmasters) variables that effect the daily results which make it nearly impossible to determine a short term cause and effect relationship between SEO tactics and Google results.

So, please reunite the thread in it's entirety - PLEASE. It dosn't matter which category it is in but please leave it intact.

Also, one more little request - could you please change the title to something like "McDar Experiment" or "SEO Experiment" so this thread does not elicite competitve adsense ads or compete in the results with the experiment page.

Thank you,
Caryl

[Homer]

And what's up your ass? Are you subscribed to the thread? Use your control panel and access the thread instead of bitching about it.

Some people... I can't agree with you on this one. I agree with Bob, McDar and Foxy. There was a certain natural progression to this thread as it was in it's original state and I can see why the main contributors are bent up about this.

Can the thread not be rejoined and title renamed, if necessary?

Bob, You sent McDar a link (http://www.searchenginejournal.com/index.php?p=2563). Obviously you took it seriously. I have read this article and also wonder what the source of his information is. Regardless of that I find it VERY accurate based on my current situation.

Now, Google appears to be applying filters based on historic data it has collected about all sites in its index over time. In other words, Google likely knows a lot more about documents linking to a particular website than the person who placed or requested the link in the first place. SEOs and webmasters should brush up on the “Information retrieval based on historical data” patent application Google filed on March 31, 2005 for highly detailed information.

Google is judging sites on who they link to along with who links to them. Before the update, a link from your site to an irrelevant site was more a waste of time than a waste of opportunity. Today irrelevant links seem to be both. Google’s desire to offer stable and highly relevant SERPS while preventing outright manipulation of those SERPS was the biggest cause of the shift. It seems that much of what is being discussed is about the patent (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20050071741&OS=20050071741&RS=20050071741) (BTW Mat Cutts is one of the inventors)

The one thing I can say is link strategies are going to have to change as we previously understood them.

[bloodwrath]

Caryl
and other thats for keeping this tread open
as im still shaking my head wondering WTH google is up to and if the update was over.
im glad its not, but google is sure messing with us..
thanks again for the info

[mcdar]

NEW PAGE UPDATE:
*Google PR/Backlink update
**33 Active DCs(6 New DC Found)**


The "New Page" sleeping-bags.htm
04/07/2004 "New Page" went live

Search for "Sleeping Bags"
_____________
NOTE: Due to size constraints, the entire report can no longer appear in a post.
You can view the entire report here... Complete Report (http://www.mcdar.net/update.htm)
________________
Last 10 days

Postion #17 allinanchor: #27 --11/17/2005 [16 DCs #17, 13 DCs #69, 4 DCs #321]**(Allinanchor #20 on 13 DCs, #27 on 16 DCs, #67 on 4 DCs )
Postion #17 allinanchor: #81 --11/18/2005 [16 DCs #17, 4 DCs #275, 3 DCs #303, 10 DCs #304]]**(Allinanchor #28 on 16 DCs, #81 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #83 --11/19/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #269, 3 DCs #305, 10 DCs #306]]**(Allinanchor #34 on 16 DCs, #83 on 17 DCs )
Postion #16 allinanchor: #84 --11/20/2005 [16 DCs #16, 4 DCs #331, 10 DCs #332, 3 DCs #334]]**(Allinanchor #32 on 16 DCs, #84 on 17 DCs )
Postion #331 allinanchor: #84 --11/21/2005 [10 DCs #15, 2 DCs #63, 4 DCs #302, 4 DCs #309, 3 DCs #316, 10 DCs #331]**(Allinanchor #20 on 2 DCs, #33 on 10 DCs, #83 on 7 DCs, #84 on 14 DCs )
Postion #461 allinanchor: #102 --11/22/2005 [10 DCs #132, 4 DCs #339, 3 DCs #422, 10 DCs #461, 2 DCs #483, 4 DCs #484]**(Allinanchor #27 on 10 DCs, #85 on 4 DCs, #102 on 19 DCs )
Postion #430 allinanchor: #105 --11/23/2005 [12 DCs #430, 4 DCs #434, 9 DCs #446, 4 DCs #451, 4 DCs #487]**(Allinanchor #102 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #482 allinanchor: #105 --11/24/2005 [10 DCs #430, 2 DCs #462, 4 DCs #464, 7 DCs #480, 10 DCs #482]**(Allinanchor #104 on 6 DCs, #105 on 27 DCs )
Postion #485 allinanchor: #108 --11/25/2005 [10 DCs #425, 2 DCs #481, 10 DCs #485, 4 DCs #488, 7 DCs #492]**(Allinanchor #108 on All DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #107 --11/26/2005 [2 DCs #392, 7 DCs #402, 10 DCs #425, 10 DCs #426, 4 DCs #472]**(Allinanchor #107 on 26 DCs, #108 on 6 DCs )
Postion #425 allinanchor: #100 --11/27/2005 [4 DCs #421, 10 DCs #425, 6 DCs #437, 10 DCs #463, 3 DCs #485]**(Allinanchor #100 on All DCs )

Postion #421 allinanchor: #102 -11/28/2005 [2 DCs #398, 10 DCs #421, 4 DCs #443, 6 DCs #444, 4 DCs #450, 4 DCs #463, 3 DCs #467]** (Note: Allinanchor #100 on 10 DCs, #102 on 21 DCs, #116 on 2 DCs )

Cache Date: Nov 09, 2005 08:11:11 GMT
_____________________________________________________
note: these pages are found using ( site:www.compar.com +sleeping Bags )
number of Bob's PR6 and PR5 links found:

142 - 11/16/2005
Unchanged from previous date
140 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
149 - 11/21/2005
142 - 11/22/2005
Unchanged from previous date
105 - 11/24/2005
Unchanged from previous date
101 - 11/26/2005
100 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

note: this page is found using ( site:www.ski-france-ok.com +sleeping Bags )
Foxy's PR5 and two PR4s
0 - 4/20/2004
3 - 5/04/2004
Unchanged from previous date
2 - 6/17/2004
Unchanged from previous date
__________________
Bob and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on this forum 5/06/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.digitalpoint.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links from Signatures - 6/11/2004
4060 - highest links reported 6/12/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob replaced links in Signatures - 7/21/2004
Note:Foxy & Bob removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004 (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=256&page=139&pp=10)

418 - 11/04/2005
409 - 11/05/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2300 - 11/09/2005
2290 - 11/10/2005
Unchanged from previous date
409 - 11/17/2005
2290 - 11/18/2005
Unchanged from previous date
2280 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

Caryl and Foxy added link Sleeping Bags to their sig files on the SEO Chat forum 5/11/2004
Results for - ( site:forums.seochat.com +sleeping bags )
Note:Foxy removed links in Signatures - 11/16/2004

156 - 9/08/2005
Unchanged from previous date
155 - 10/06/2005
Unchanged from previous date
138 - 11/04/2005
Unchanged from previous date
147 - 11/19/2005
Unchanged from previous date
145 - 11/27/2005
Unchanged from previous date
__________________

*August 18, 2004 - (10) Project Supporters (http://www.mcdar.net/supporters.htm) donated Links from 13 different IP addresses to page. Additional info will be added as it comes in.

Total links found by using site:www.domainname.tld Researched daily by Foxy

Daily Totals Report (http://www.mcdar.net/SupportersDaily.htm) (click to see full report)

606 - 1/29/2005
457 - 1/29/20052/6/2005[/B](148 lost links from one IP) [/b]
251 - 2/12/2005
261 - 3/03/2005
273 - 3/18/2005
275 - 3/19/2005
508 - 4/09/2005
560 - 5/20/2005
627 - 6/14/2005
536 - 6/25/2005
584 - 7/11/2005
631 - 7/29/2005
15,785 - 8/19/2005
3891 - 10/20/2005
3904 - 10/26/2005
3699 - 11/08/2005
3461 - 11/28/2005
__________________

Dec 17, 2004 - digitalpoint's "Patient" Added link to 116 different urls
(Located on 3 different IPs within same class 3 IP address Address - 217.36.188.*)

Jan 20, 2005 - (moved all urls to dif server - now all 116 are on same IP + changed from Coldfusion to Java)

Number Indexed by Google

40 - 12/23/2004
48 - 12/24/2004
107 - 12/30/2004
115 - 1/2/2005
116 - 1/21/2005
108 - new urls & 70 old urls- 1/31/2005
__________________

PR/Backlink info

~ April 22 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
143 Backlinks reported
___________

~ March 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
113 Backlinks reported
___________

~ February 3 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
260 Backlinks reported
___________

~ January 1 Update ~
sleeping-bags.htm has PR5
268 Backlinks - see Table of Links (http://www.mcdar.net/linkanalysis1_08_05.htm) reported
___________
~ December 16 Update ~ (only Backlinks updated in this update)
sleeping-bags.htm has PR6
155 Backlinks
(Details can be found for this and the following in Complete Report)
___________

"A nice tool that Shawn didn't write -" DISCUSSION (http://forums.mcdar.net/viewtopic.php?p=367#367)
__________________
Note:Google API has page at #n/a

http://www.mcdar.net/graph.jpg

I have seen no improvement in Google's results.

Still as unstable as previously reported.

The position reported for this page swings wildly from day to day across the Datacenters!

Example: The last 4 days on the 216.239.59.* Datacenters
11/25/05 - Position #492 Allinanchor #108
11/26/05 - Position #402 Allinanchor #107
11/27/05 - Position #485 Allinanchor #100
11/28/05 - Position #467 Allinanchor #102

You can view the complete results here...
Google October/November 2005 Event - Jagger (http://www.mcdar.net/jaggerresults.htm)

Cache Date List (http://www.mcdar.net/CacheDateList.htm)

Caryl

[earlpearl]

This is the 6th straight day with the serps found in the 400 range and allinanchor found to be around 100.

Of note all of my terms for my various keywords have settled with consistent serps in all dcs. None of my terms or my industry experienced anywheres near the flux of the experiment page...and results started to flux after the 9/22 date.

It would seem that the impact of Jagger has been relative with some pages and some sites being more or less impacted based on certain criterion within the Jagger algos or filters.

If the experiment page retains these relative rankings for serps and allinanchor it renders the experiment moot insofar as the original intent was concerned and also moot with regard to results that were in effect throughout 2004 (or during 2004 as links to the site with anchor text had impact). The serp and allinanchor rankings have been consistently strong (excepting the Feb/March update) up to this period.

If the results remain consistent with current rankings now what?

Dave

[mcdar]

...

If the experiment page retains these relative rankings for serps and allinanchor it renders the experiment moot insofar as the original intent was concerned and also moot with regard to results that were in effect throughout 2004 (or during 2004 as links to the site with anchor text had impact). The serp and allinanchor rankings have been consistently strong (excepting the Feb/March update) up to this period.

If the results remain consistent with current rankings now what?

Dave

Dave,

An experiment that finds results contrary to the original hypothesis is NOT MOOT!

It has proven the original Hypothesis was incorrect OR proven the the design of the experiment would not provide adequate data to support or refute the original hypothesis.

This experiment has supported for more than a year and a half the value of anchor text PLUS the value of "irrelevant" links.

Google is NOT stagnant and therefore we must expect that values will change over time.

This experiment has documented such changes in Google with regard to links within the same IP C-Blocks.

It has provided evidence of what can happen when Google loses track of cache data as evidenced in July and August of 2004.

AGAIN - the value of the data recorded during the course of this experiment has had more value as, lets say, a Google Barometer rather than being THE answer to any one hypothesis or question.

If the results remain consistent with current rankings now what?

Which current ranking would you like to speculate on?

The ones that say the site has 556 pages or the ones that say the site has 26,100 pages?

The ones that say the page is at position #398 or position #467?

Which of the three different sets of returned results for the keywords should we consider?

Maybe we should speculate as to why Google has been using old cache dates for the page for 16 days now?

I'm not trying to be glib but it is a bit like asking Dorathy how she plans to redecorate the house once it lands?

This has gotten VERY OLD to me as well. But, until I can see some semblance of normality in Google - I wouldn't have a clue as to what to do.

IF the page was in the 30s or even 100s I could accept that Google has re-valued links. BUT for the page to be bouncing around in the 400s implies there is something wrong or something missing.

I still believe the page will bounce back once Google has corrected the problem.

Caryl

[mcdar]

This thread has been re-joined and re-named

Thank you, Shawn!