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Blogmaster
Aug 6th 2005, 11:17 pm
Inspired by Buddaman:

What is your belief/denomination?

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 6th 2005, 11:21 pm
Christian !!!!! Roflmaoroflcoperlolrskatesomfgomfg

Blogmaster
Aug 6th 2005, 11:22 pm
Christian
Ditto......

Blogmaster
Aug 6th 2005, 11:28 pm
k, you guys think this thread sucks, huh? heh

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 6th 2005, 11:33 pm
its probly the mexican

fryman
Aug 6th 2005, 11:36 pm
Watch it, you fucking racist brat

Nintendo
Aug 6th 2005, 11:38 pm
Christian !!!!!

Now, practice what you preach. Don't go around singing songs about mommy blowing a guys head off.

smindsrt
Aug 6th 2005, 11:43 pm
I vote for "this thread sucks"......... Mikey, religion should not be spoken....... I mean ....... typed..... in an SEO forum.

Mikey, NO SOUP FOR YOU! :D

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 6th 2005, 11:53 pm
Hey Mexican, do you own a land scaping company?

smindsrt
Aug 6th 2005, 11:57 pm
Hey Mexican, do you own a land scaping company?

Dude, that's not funny. :( Why are you hating????

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 6th 2005, 11:58 pm
Because I can.

Smitty218
Aug 7th 2005, 12:00 am
Hey Mexican, do you own a land scaping company?

BuDdMaN1111-

Don't be such a cock sucker. You racist son of a bitch. BOO-YAH

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:01 am
KAY, cause you guys have so much respect for me, I see why I should respect you.

kjewat
Aug 7th 2005, 12:27 am
Personaly I believe in science :cool:

zman
Aug 7th 2005, 12:27 am
I worship the Beamish. Greatest beer on the planet and its made by my own people, the Irish. :)

Blogmaster
Aug 7th 2005, 12:44 am
I vote for "this thread sucks"......... Mikey, religion should not be spoken....... I mean ....... typed..... in an SEO forum.

Mikey, NO SOUP FOR YOU! :D
I figgured it would be hated by some (maybe many). I was just curious since there have been many arguments in here lately about religion and wanted to get an idea of the DPers beliefs.

CAN I GET MY SOUP NOW :mad:

smindsrt
Aug 7th 2005, 12:48 am
CAN I GET MY SOUP NOW :mad:

NO SOUP FOR ONE WEEK! Come back then. lol

Blogmaster
Aug 7th 2005, 12:50 am
NO SOUP FOR ONE WEEK! Come back then. lol
I belief that's not fair :D

westhaven
Aug 7th 2005, 1:21 am
I would vote for hindu :)

mcfox
Aug 7th 2005, 3:03 am
Watch it, you fucking racist brat
Don't hold back, Fryman, say what you really think. lol!

Lever
Aug 7th 2005, 3:32 am
OK, ST, where's pagan on the list?

And my aunt corrected me that buddhism isn't a religion it's a way of life...

Anyways, I'd be a buddhist if I had a choice of those you listed, at least (I don't think) they ever started a war, unlike every other my-god's-better-than-your-god-'cos-yours-doesn't-exist school playground bollocks. LOL

Design Agent
Aug 7th 2005, 3:48 am
Sikhism ?
Agnostic?
Muslim (Islam maybe)
God/ reglion... different things!!
hare krishna krishna krishna ?? wtf?

JUDASIM???

I give up,

mike what a waste of useful brain cells..

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 7:18 am
ok you since fryman wont hold back ill just say this, even though its againts what i believe , fuck you fryman, youve been nothing but a dick since ive got on here, and i doubt this will change.

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 9:48 am
This thread added to the nominations list for Worst (Most Pointless) Thread Ever.

Blogmaster
Aug 7th 2005, 10:25 am
I admit, not a great thread. But if you guys wanna see pointless, do a history on Minstrel's posts. You will see pointless.

e10
Aug 7th 2005, 11:46 am
Budd,

How can you spout your faith in God and Jesus when you do not love all his children. You are a flamer and nothing more. Fryman doesn't need me or anyone else to stand up for him but your rascism is repellant. You have shown your true colours and I doubt your God would be very proud of you.

Smitty218
Aug 7th 2005, 11:54 am
ok you since fryman wont hold back ill just say this, even though its againts what i believe , fuck you fryman, youve been nothing but a dick since ive got on here, and i doubt this will change.

look old dicko (BuDMaNfuckface) is back

BTW, who cares if fryman is a dick you should not of pulled the race card. By doing that you are the true dick.

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 12:00 pm
He is just an ignorant kid, what could you expect? :D

J.P
Aug 7th 2005, 12:13 pm
I'm waiting for the next poll to start...

Should BuDdMaN1111 be banned and hit with a large stick? :rolleyes:

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:27 pm
jesus loves all the children , and im not racist i was just mad.

MELLA
Aug 7th 2005, 12:28 pm
That's no excuse.

10 hail marys for you.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:32 pm
im sorry for descriminating your heritage fryman, i didnt mean it , i was mad

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 12:37 pm
Whatever...

BTW, I'm British

MELLA
Aug 7th 2005, 12:42 pm
LMAO @ Fryman.

Yeah ..and don't even think of starting on us Brits. *handbags at the ready*

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:43 pm
oh a redcoat...

lorien1973
Aug 7th 2005, 12:51 pm
Fryman just became British right?

Appropriate Seinfeild quote:
I think he converted to Judaism for the jokes. He's seeking total joke telling immunity!

And this offends you as a Jew?

No it offends me as a comedian.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:53 pm
im not following what your saying really

smindsrt
Aug 7th 2005, 12:54 pm
jesus loves all the children , and im not racist i was just mad.

You sure come off like one.

smindsrt
Aug 7th 2005, 12:56 pm
im sorry for descriminating your heritage fryman, i didnt mean it , i was mad

Well, at least you realize it.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:56 pm
i dont really care what you think

MELLA
Aug 7th 2005, 12:58 pm
god, can we say hostile. chill out budda. practise what you preach.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 12:59 pm
i do , but in a room with non believers who have no care for what i say

Design Agent
Aug 7th 2005, 1:01 pm
Its more the way you say it, from what Ive read ;)

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 1:02 pm
i dont understand what you mean

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 1:04 pm
This is a webmasters forum, why are you even here? And I agre with the "· have no care for what i say" part, go preach to your cat.

MELLA
Aug 7th 2005, 1:05 pm
This is a webmasters forum, why are you even here?

Hey watch it, buddy! :p

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 1:07 pm
At least you bring a smile to our face, this loser is just pathetic

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 1:11 pm
fryman, my friend, i have apologized to you, and this is how you treat me , forgive and forget, thats what Jesus says :D

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 1:15 pm
well , i wont talk about my beliefs anymore, well except for my evolution vs creation thread, happy, and btw i am a webmaster

eiso
Aug 7th 2005, 1:41 pm
I must say that I think you must discuss religion amongst those who have respect for each other and accept other people for the way they are, and some people on this thread.... *i'll stop now before I make any enemies*

lorien1973
Aug 7th 2005, 2:03 pm
i do , but in a room with non believers who have no care for what i say
Somehow I have doubts you are christian at all. You, more likely, are someone who claims to be christian, then becomes a dumb-ass just trying to tarnish the faith by being racist - and having people infer that everyone of the faith is like that.

e10
Aug 7th 2005, 3:38 pm
Come on, everybody. This wee njaff came into DP with a thread guaranteed to get attention. He is a flamer and if he is not then he is a flaming nutter. I´ll bet it is AC in disguise. Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinion but he claims to be a Christian but instead has proved himself to be a rascist, foul-mouthed little amoeba.

Design Agent
Aug 7th 2005, 3:39 pm
rascist, foul-mouthed little amoeba - that doesnt describe AC to me.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 3:42 pm
hmm , i forgive you , as i have already said sorry to fryman i am not going to comment anymore

e10
Aug 7th 2005, 3:45 pm
Ha, sorry. No, I agree AC was none of those things but he did like to mix it up a bit. I only see a correlation in this guy's need to kick up the stoor. Sorry, bad writing skills. I should have been more clear, Budd is a flamer where as AC was a ... hmmm... conversation stimulator. Is that better?

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 3:48 pm
a flamer? what do you mean?

voltaire
Aug 7th 2005, 7:54 pm
what is the relevance of our religious beliefs to being webmasters? i think none. religion is purely subjective. we are entitled to our own choices. i'd rather be spiritual than religious anyways.

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 7:59 pm
what is the relevance of our religious beliefs to being webmasters? i think none
I agree - it has no relevance whatsoever. That's why I added it to the list of nominations for dumbest thread ever.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 8:21 pm
i dont agree. i think god has to do with everything in life

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 8:30 pm
How about you take it here (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-20%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=religion+forums&btnG=Search) (choice of 5,820,000) or here (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&c2coff=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-20%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=religion+forum&btnG=Search) (choice of 11,600,000) then, instead of continuing to be obnoxious here?

Crazy_Rob
Aug 7th 2005, 8:32 pm
Or you can go HERE! (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=hell) ! :p

Ajdee
Aug 7th 2005, 8:33 pm
I am an atheist.

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 8:36 pm
Or you can go HERE! (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=hell) ! :p


http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9659/361204xm.gif

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 8:36 pm
I am an atheist.
Thanks for sharing. Now if you hurry, you can catch up with Buttman or whatever the heck his name is...

Dreamshop
Aug 7th 2005, 9:24 pm
Thanks for sharing. Now if you hurry, you can catch up with Buttman or whatever the heck his name is...


Hmmmm....I fail to see the correlation between someone who's an atheist and someone who's being a jerky. :confused:

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 9:31 pm
Atheism is just another form of religion. I'm suggesting they all take the religion discussion to one of the religious forums.

smindsrt
Aug 7th 2005, 9:33 pm
Atheism is just another form of religion. I'm suggesting they all take the religion discussion to one of the religious forums.

I 2nd that motion.......... :)

fryman
Aug 7th 2005, 9:34 pm
That's what I've been saying since the begining of all this crap... and now we have 3 ridiculous threads about this and people keep feeding this clown :rolleyes:

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 9:37 pm
now we have 3 ridiculous threads about this and people keep feeding this clown
That's clowns, plural... this thread was another brilliant idea from Toots, who claims to be "Inspired by Buddaman".

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 9:45 pm
evolution = atheism = evil = devil = well, you know

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 9:49 pm
Buttman, go away. There are 16 million forums waiting to hear from you... time's a-wasting.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 9:51 pm
can you not read my name or are you trying to amuse people? i suggest glasses

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 9:57 pm
I have rechristened you, Buttman. You should feel honored. Now go away.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 10:03 pm
no ,i think ill stay

minstrel
Aug 7th 2005, 10:08 pm
Bad decision, Buttman. I suggest you sleep on it and reconsider. Good night.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 10:08 pm
nah , i like it hear , it can be fun:D

digimania
Aug 7th 2005, 11:22 pm
I am a christina. I believe on one God, the creator of heaven and earth--the supreme being.

BuDdMaN1111
Aug 7th 2005, 11:41 pm
good, what about jesus as the savior?

gworld
Aug 7th 2005, 11:57 pm
good, what about jesus as the savior?

I am still waiting for one historical proof that this guy even existed. Do you have any?

SEbasic
Aug 8th 2005, 2:07 am
ST, no offence man - but this thread blows...

I know next to nothing gets deleted on this forum, but I really think this thread should be removed or locked or something...

Really - this was not a great idea.

Design Agent
Aug 8th 2005, 3:01 am
Ah, let em go at it if they wish...:D no need to lock or delete it as far as im concerned, as little censorship as poss is a good thing.

markkk
Aug 8th 2005, 3:11 am
Now I know where Buddman got those reds.. haha:D

yfs1
Aug 8th 2005, 3:12 am
http://www.simpsonsweb.com/img-news/196.jpg
"Worst Thread Ever"

lister
Aug 8th 2005, 3:18 am
Inspired by Buddaman:

What is your belief/denomination?

what's yours?

yfs1
Aug 8th 2005, 3:19 am
what's yours?

He already said Christian ;)

Ajdee
Aug 8th 2005, 4:08 pm
Atheism is just another form of religion. I'm suggesting they all take the religion discussion to one of the religious forums.

Well then I am not an atheist. I just do not care for any religion or atheism for that matter.

Design Agent
Aug 8th 2005, 4:30 pm
That would be agnostic then.

minstrel
Aug 8th 2005, 7:15 pm
http://www.simpsonsweb.com/img-news/196.jpg
"Worst Thread Ever"
My feelings exactly.

mikejmu
Aug 9th 2005, 11:10 am
I am Agnostic

focus3
Aug 9th 2005, 11:15 am
Im just gonna find out when im dead. Until then im going to live life like there is no tomorrow and not worry about whether someone is watching or not....besides why would I want to be boring to watch?

MELLA
Aug 9th 2005, 3:32 pm
I choose Hare Hare Krishna.

I like to dress in pink skirts, nike trainers and shake rattles whilst chanting.

TheBrokenOne
Aug 10th 2005, 4:12 am
don't get the whole religion thing myself, tis sometimes hard to believe that to not have a religion is to be a minority, in fact i've had ppl give out to me for not having one. Whole thing is just stupid, starting wars & bombing ppl over over it is madness, whats the point.

Design Agent
Aug 10th 2005, 4:20 am
don't get the whole religion thing myself, tis sometimes hard to believe that to not have a religion is to be a minority, in fact i've had ppl give out to me for not having one. Whole thing is just stupid, starting wars & bombing ppl over over it is madness, whats the point.

without religion, society probably wouldnt have made it this far..

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 4:37 am
http://www.simpsonsweb.com/img-news/196.jpg
"Worst Thread Ever"

Do you not think he looks a bit like Minstrel?

SEbasic
Aug 10th 2005, 5:55 am
Hehehe...

Yep :D

Are there any other pics of you online Minstrel?

I've only seen the one...

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 6:27 am
Hehehe...

Yep :D

Are there any other pics of you online Minstrel?

I've only seen the one...

He probably doesn't want to scare everyone... :rolleyes:

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 6:37 am
That's the real deal... fairly recent (2 years old maybe?)

http://www.psychlinks.ca/pages/baxter.htm

SEbasic
Aug 10th 2005, 6:41 am
What, you think we haven't visited your site?
Besides it's the same one as in your avatar../


Anyway,
New, improved religion thread...
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=24186

e10
Aug 10th 2005, 6:47 am
Minstrel, that picture makes me want to give you a big hug and tell you that everything is going to be all right.

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 6:49 am
What, you think we haven't visited your site?
Besides it's the same one as in your avatar../
Sheesh.. I'm starting to feel sorry for yfs1 now... :eek:

Here's a small early-morning-not-enough-coffee one from a conference:
http://www.adleriancentre.com/ourteam/david.html

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 6:49 am
Minstrel, that picture makes me want to give you a big hug and tell you that everything is going to be all right.
lol

It's ok! He's a Psych. He can do it for himself and he can pay himself for it at the same time. What more could he want?

SEbasic
Aug 10th 2005, 6:50 am
I reckon you should change your avatar...

You look much more cheerful in that picture....

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 6:51 am
Sheesh.. I'm starting to feel sorry for yfs1 now... :eek:

Here's a small early-morning-not-enough-coffee one from a conference:
http://www.adleriancentre.com/ourteam/david.html

Man! That really doesnt look the same guy from your avatar. Mind you... Nintendos pictures are all pretty unique shall we say! :eek:

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 6:51 am
And I think Rocky1 took this one:

SEbasic
Aug 10th 2005, 6:53 am
Mr.Dave... Hehehehe

Are you a Dave or a David?

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 6:54 am
Man! That really doesnt look the same guy from your avatar. Mind you... Nintendos pictures are all pretty unique shall we say! :eek:
That's what happens when you ask me to be somewhere for 8.30 am -- I have never understood this obsession about mornings... mornings are for drinking coffee and saying "get the hell away from me" to anyone who tries to talk to you...

yfs1
Aug 10th 2005, 6:54 am
Here's a small early-morning-not-enough-coffee one from a conference:
http://www.adleriancentre.com/ourteam/david.html

Its too small I can't see it....Can you have it with a blue background...Can you turn it upside down because I usually look at pictures on my head....Is it possible to post it again at 6pm as thats the time I like to look at pictures.

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 7:00 am
Its too small I can't see it....
Click on image and it gets bigger. Full original size prints are $25 each.

Can you have it with a blue background...
Not before noon.

Can you turn it upside down because I usually look at pictures on my head....
Yes. See Australian version below.

Is it possible to post it again at 6pm as thats the time I like to look at pictures.
It is 6 pm somewhere. Just find out where and hop on a plane with your laptop and a little girl on your shoulders.

Perrow
Aug 10th 2005, 7:04 am
with your laptop and a little girl on your shoulders.
Why would you want a laptop on your shoulder? :confused:

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 7:09 am
That's for yfs1's parrot. Who did you think was writing all those articles and posting in forums? yfs1 himself doesn't have the fingers for that...

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 7:13 am
That's for yfs1's parrot. Who did you think was writing all those articles and posting in forums? yfs1 himself doesn't have the fingers for that...
What does yfs have the fingers for? :confused:

Perrow
Aug 10th 2005, 7:16 am
Agree, the only time we "hear" the real yfs1 is when he says something like
I'm off playing golf
The parrot does all the rest of the posts.

gworld
Aug 10th 2005, 7:16 am
Sheesh.. I'm starting to feel sorry for yfs1 now... :eek:

Here's a small early-morning-not-enough-coffee one from a conference:
http://www.adleriancentre.com/ourteam/david.html

You look much happier before the coffee than after, may be it is time to try tea instead. :)

Weirfire
Aug 10th 2005, 7:19 am
You look much happier before the coffee than after, may be it is time to try tea instead. :)

or maybe he should just stay in his bed ;)

jk Minstrel. I think you're great... really I do :p

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 7:23 am
You look much happier before the coffee than after
That's a forced grin - inside I'm saying, "get the f*** away from me before I shove that camera up your a**"...

focus3
Aug 10th 2005, 7:25 am
You know, maybe you'd like mornings better if you were waking up beside the right person in the morning every day :) And breakfast.... thats reason alone to get up in the morning YUMMY! :D

Perrow
Aug 10th 2005, 7:26 am
he specializes in depression, anxiety disorders (including obsessive-compulsivedisorder), grief counselling, anger issues, relationships issues, communication issues, parent-teen conflicts and forensic-court assessments.
If it wasn't in writing I wouldn't believe that ;)

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 8:00 am
After lunch...

Perrow
Aug 10th 2005, 8:06 am
After lunch...
Ahh I see, what are you smoking for lunch? :eek:

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 8:15 am
Actually, I don't always even eat lunch... it's coffee and time of day that does it... I can work in the morning (reports, web stuff, even phone calls) but I just don't want to have to talk for a few hours.

yfs1
Aug 10th 2005, 8:18 am
screeech...yfs1 wants a cracker...err I mean.... How interesting, Please tell me more!

TheBrokenOne
Aug 10th 2005, 8:52 am
without religion, society probably wouldnt have made it this far..


Don't know about that, to believe in religion is to defy logic imo. You're impyling that without religion we'd have all killed each other by now however wouldn't you agree that nearly all of the major wars in the past have been based on religious beliefs...Perhaps the world would be a safer place without it...tis only my opinion of course.

Fierce amount of spamming going on in this topic...

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 9:13 am
Fierce amount of spamming going on in this topic...
"spamming"?

:confused:

debunked
Aug 10th 2005, 9:56 am
I think SPAM is some peoples religion.

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 10:07 am
You've both lost me here... what spam are you talking about?

debunked
Aug 10th 2005, 10:14 am
You've both lost me here... what spam are you talking about?

I wasn't refering to any spam in particular - just making the comment that Spam is some peoples religion - (I guess I need to get some tea, my brain isn't on yet and I thought I was being funny - geeesh!)

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 10:32 am
:eek: I think I need a vacation :eek:

lorien1973
Aug 10th 2005, 10:39 am
For the worst thread ever, this one sure is neverending.

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 11:08 am
I blame most of it on yfs1, The Parrot...

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 11:09 am
...and Fryman the Dino Killer...

debunked
Aug 10th 2005, 11:11 am
I thought it was my fault...

Can't I get some blame here??

No one ever blames me... boo hoo...

minstrel
Aug 10th 2005, 11:22 am
Yay and lo. Let us all smiteth debunked with red rep. For it is written: He (or she) who casteth not the first stone, let him (or her) be blamed (eth).

debunked
Aug 10th 2005, 11:34 am
ok now that made me laugh.

MetaGuru
Aug 10th 2005, 1:52 pm
Ok now Im mad. Not only Is Jewish not on the POLL but I did a search of this thread for Jewish and only found one reference inside a joke. Im the only token Jew here Whooly Crap I better call in back up.

e10
Aug 10th 2005, 2:01 pm
Holy Crap or woolly cap? Go get your back up. We´ve got SEBasic on our side.

Blogmaster
Aug 10th 2005, 2:12 pm
Ok now Im mad. Not only Is Jewish not on the POLL but I did a search of this thread for Jewish and only found one reference inside a joke. Im the only token Jew here Whooly Crap I better call in back up.
I knew I forgot something :):o

MetaGuru
Aug 10th 2005, 8:32 pm
I will not take it personal. Not much I can do. Heck, every Jewish holiday is "They tried to kill us, we survived, lets eat" Morty and Sol are busy so Im on my own.

BIGBOB

dvduval
Aug 10th 2005, 9:27 pm
I believe god speaks to everyone regardless of their religion.
I like to read Joseph Campbell who was good friends of George Lucas (the force).

digimania
Aug 11th 2005, 1:07 am
I believe god speaks to everyone regardless of their religion.
I like to read Joseph Campbell who was good friends of George Lucas (the force).
I just hope it's the same God everyone's assuming to be.
How can God talk to someone who follows different doctrines and believe on other teachings.

SEbasic
Aug 11th 2005, 1:19 am
Smiteth all those who hath not vote, for 'twas once decreed "All in the land shall vote for he who carries the chainsaw"...
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=271020

MetaGuru
Aug 11th 2005, 6:18 am
I saw a Buddest monk walk up to a fish pond and pet a fish. I was totally blown away by that. I was able to step back for a min and look deep inside. Would my G-d tell that man NO he doesnt deserve heaven. He lived a clean life, helped his neighbors, never screwed anyone over & dedicated his whole existence to harmony and peace. If my G-d said no would I want to be in that heaven? Hell is filled with monks and rabbies heaven if filled with convicted murders who lived terrible lives killed people and found religion waiting for the electric chair.

BIGBOB

Arnie
Aug 11th 2005, 6:55 am
I saw a Buddest monk walk up to a fish pond and pet a fish. I was totally blown away by that. I was able to step back for a min and look deep inside. Would my G-d tell that man NO he doesnt deserve heaven. He lived a clean life, helped his neighbors, never screwed anyone over & dedicated his whole existence to harmony and peace. If my G-d said no would I want to be in that heaven? Hell is filled with monks and rabbies heaven if filled with convicted murders who lived terrible lives killed people and found religion waiting for the electric chair.

BIGBOB

You will be surprised!

Its not that Jews or Christian go to heaven or hell only. Everyone according to his/her deeds and believes.
"By your fruits I'll know you"

You'll even find some buddhists in heaven. Buddhism is not a religion so there is no contradiction to the scriptures, but those who try to make it a religion are at risk. The teaching of Buddha is a beautyful wisdom, the female spirit and earthly wisdom.

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 6:56 am
Consider thyself smoten, MetaGuru.

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 7:02 am
"By your fruits I'll know you"
Uh-oh :eek:

MetaGuru, I think Arnie just called you a fruit.

Smiteth each other. Pass the popcorn.

Arnie
Aug 11th 2005, 7:10 am
Uh-oh :eek:

MetaGuru, I think Arnie just called you a fruit.

Smiteth each other. Pass the popcorn.

Good thought too.
Perhaps we could get some of his genes and farm them, that would definitley contribute to solve the oil crisis.

MetaGuru
Aug 11th 2005, 7:34 am
"By your fruits I'll know you"

As I understand major religion You have to accept The big J.C. as the Saviour and if you dont get past that hurtle your not getting in the door.

Budda - Not J.C.
Jewish - Not J.C
Muslem - Not J.C.

70% of humanity is doomed - Not a true stat just making a point.

So if your a perfect (insert any religion other than catholic here) your doomed to burn forever unless you convert and kiss J.C. pinky ring or something.

BIGBOB;)

focus3
Aug 11th 2005, 7:46 am
70% of humanity is doomed - Not a true stat just making a point.



I knew that the day Bush was entered into office.

Arnie
Aug 11th 2005, 8:00 am
I knew that the day Bush was entered into office.
You must be talking about the "burning Bush", am I right?

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 8:11 am
I shall call him squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my squishy.
I always wondered who this was about. Could it be that Mella meant MetaGuru all along? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 8:13 am
You must be talking about the "burning Bush", am I right?
"Burning Bush" is what his sexual partners complain about.

yfs1
Aug 11th 2005, 8:15 am
You're on a roll Minstrel!

For a thread you hated you sure are lovin it now ;)

(Please don't smite me)

lorien1973
Aug 11th 2005, 8:15 am
Someone needs a hook up with Metal guru then, burning bush and a rash..no telling what wonder of biology could be created from that.

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 8:37 am
You're on a roll Minstrel!

For a thread you hated you sure are lovin it now ;)

(Please don't smite me)
Thou must give thanks to the Mighty Saw for that, yfs1. For He hath wrought A New Path for this thread that rescued it from Sin and Erronoeus Posters and Brought It Into The Light.

Hallelujah! Praise the SE (basic and deluxe)! Smite the False Priestess.

(...and the scrotum guy)

kc3
Aug 11th 2005, 10:54 am
I have a very wierd idea of god. I am a Christian but my belief in what god and the universe is-is very different.

It's kind of a matrix-like idea, lol, it's strange. I believe the universe is programmed, each particle is programmed in a certain place with the laws of nature also again programmed. What people would consider our souls is not just something spiritual but rather what interperates the coding. We interperate coding and sense everything the way we do because that's how it's programmed. To me god is the great programmer of the universe. lol

To me god is an entity that is just not within our nature, has no beginning or end, god just exists and does not have restrictions that we have because of the nature our universe has programmed. God to me is his whole own dimension. But if you think about it, how can everything exist anyways, everything is ultimately made of nothing at one point, unless matter is infinite but if that's the cse than all space should be filled with not only emptiness but also matter.

gworld
Aug 11th 2005, 3:07 pm
I have a very wierd idea of god. I am a Christian but my belief in what god and the universe is-is very different.

It's kind of a matrix-like idea, lol, it's strange. I believe the universe is programmed, each particle is programmed in a certain place with the laws of nature also again programmed. What people would consider our souls is not just something spiritual but rather what interperates the coding. We interperate coding and sense everything the way we do because that's how it's programmed. To me god is the great programmer of the universe. lol

To me god is an entity that is just not within our nature, has no beginning or end, god just exists and does not have restrictions that we have because of the nature our universe has programmed. God to me is his whole own dimension. But if you think about it, how can everything exist anyways, everything is ultimately made of nothing at one point, unless matter is infinite but if that's the cse than all space should be filled with not only emptiness but also matter.

I am Atheist myself but what ever you are smoking to come up with this, must be some good Sh*t, can you send some to Canada? :D

e10
Aug 11th 2005, 3:44 pm
Thou must give thanks to the Mighty Saw for that, yfs1. For He hath wrought A New Path for this thread that rescued it from Sin and Erronoeus Posters and Brought It Into The Light.

Hallelujah! Praise the SE (basic and deluxe)! Smite the False Priestess.

(...and the scrotum guy)

Eeee! How dare thee mention me and the unclean, itchy one in the same post, you scurvy camel. Be thee on thy knees and prepare for oblivion. I shall smote thee righteously and..zzzz.and zzz.... oh wait my batteries have run out.

Ahem, does anyone have a charger? Ehm. No? Okay, then I shall go to mine shrine and haveth a Heikneken and be back to smite this lowly pup as soon as the sun riseth over the chainsaw. (hic).

kc3
Aug 11th 2005, 5:11 pm
I am Atheist myself but what ever you are smoking to come up with this, must be some good Sh*t, can you send some to Canada? :D

lol, okay, I'll be sure to though shipping might cost a bit. Smuggling drugs across the border isn't cheap.

minstrel
Aug 11th 2005, 6:42 pm
How dare thee mention me and the unclean, itchy one in the same post, you scurvy camel.
LMAO! :D :D :D

Now THAT is comedy!! :D

Arnie
Aug 12th 2005, 9:23 pm
:p After the "Burning Bush" and finally America and the rest of the world get some brown "Rice" from which is said that it contains more minerals and vitamins.;)

dilipsam
Apr 11th 2006, 5:27 pm
Black-hat SEOs go to hell. Period. All that was considered good and evil a thousand years ago are being replaced by new ideas and deeds.

Most people claim to be good SEOs but aren't just like the self-righteous.

Some people are seemingly SEO-skilled but heaven only knows what they did to the client's site. Do I remind you of the dangerous preachers who lead you astray by bad preaching?

The real SEOs hardly say anything about themselves and let their ranking do their talking just like the good christian. If you optimized sites ranking high for theological words, God might atleast let you in for originality.

My view of religion.

lorien1973
Apr 11th 2006, 5:38 pm
what happens to seo experts who have geocities sites? :P

latehorn
Apr 11th 2006, 6:34 pm
what happens to seo experts who have geocities sites? :P
Why do I feel offended? (http://www.geocities.com/riverhack/)

kawikaan
May 3rd 2006, 8:30 pm
people, pls. understand that religion, must be the first for all we do, because God build a religion so his people they will go unto it.... "1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." if we all beleive in God find his kindom by the spirit... if he use this forum bless this forum....

dilipsam
May 3rd 2006, 10:37 pm
I'm a Christian who is pro-Jewish but I don't depend on God too much. I think there wasn't a Jewish option there in the vote

Rick_Michael
May 3rd 2006, 11:36 pm
Whatever...

BTW, I'm British

Curious why a British person would reside in Mexico...perhaps I just don't see it as a good place to live, unless your filthy rich. ????

kawikaan
May 4th 2006, 12:13 am
dilipsam how can u say that u don't depend on God too much, didn't you know that God holds your life? he is the God of Gods we breath every day eat every day live every second of our life because he alway let us live... read this in your bible "Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." you see what God can do

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May 4th 2006, 12:19 am
You guys have no idea what the Bible is about. The whole theme of the Bible is about the issue of universal sovereignty (who deserves the right to rule). If you can learn this fact then you might be on to something more factual.

Perrow
May 4th 2006, 1:15 am
Bible this and bible that, I find most of what Jules Verne wrote more believable than the bible.

dilipsam
May 4th 2006, 2:44 am
dilipsam how can u say that u don't depend on God too much, didn't you know that God holds your life? he is the God of Gods we breath every day eat every day live every second of our life because he alway let us live... read this in your bible "Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." you see what God can do

Hello kawikaan,

I appreciate your sincerity in reforming me but mankind in general is a flaw. Something totally wrong with it and on top of it, the stupid mass-mentality always gets the last laugh. If God created a system that was a failure, how am I supposed to praise him?

kawikaan
May 4th 2006, 5:06 pm
some of you talk that you really don't know the word of God and also the God who created you, for you dilipsam do u think that god was a failure how can u say that, your eye, do have any other idea where to perfectly put it in you body? you nose your ears? every part of the body is a perfect creation of God he is the only creator that can do a perfect things in this world. "Genenesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." and some one here don't beleive in the bible, but he believe the book of some people, can ask did that person created you? read this "Psalm 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD." the verse ther is about a book and that book is the bible.... ok ask me something about the bible and i will get the answer straight from the bible not from my self.... pls don't be angry with me i just like to be true, i really love my God he let me live every day. thank you...

dilipsam
May 4th 2006, 10:38 pm
God didn't create computers, we did.
God din't create machines, we did.
God didn't create software, we did.

God isn't an SEO, we are.

God doesn't know a damn about the current trends. God is obsolete, out-dated, out-moded et al.

jackburton2006
May 4th 2006, 10:46 pm
God didn't create computers.

Of course God didn't create the computer. Al Gore did.

That and the Internet.

Perrow
May 4th 2006, 11:39 pm
some of you talk that you really don't know the word of God and also the God who created you
You talk like someone who doesn't know that the bible was created by people who wanted to rule other people :rolleyes:

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 3:30 am
ya people write the bible, create the computer and any material things that you enjoyed, but ask your self who are YOU to be served by GOD, God create a human he also can create a matial things, do know some people create a human being.... by himself... God give you life he also give you food to eat, he also give you your love ones. don't you ever thank him for what the good things he done to you.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 3:34 am
Psalm 14:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

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May 5th 2006, 3:39 am
OK guys. You'll be doing really well if you can give me the correct meaning of Daniel 2:44

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May 5th 2006, 3:41 am
You'll be doing even better if you know the meaning of Genesis 3:15 and even better than that if you know which scripture this relates to!

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 3:55 am
Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." i believe the kingdom here is the church of God here in earth because in the new testament said "Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. " the kingdom is also like a church the it will stand forever because the gates of hell shall not prevail againt it.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:01 am
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
and thou shalt bruise his heel.... almost all the word in the bible is spiritual, its also about the church of God, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent will have a fight a fight between the Good and evil... the serpent here is satan "Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

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May 5th 2006, 4:01 am
kawikaan......bzzzzz. Sorry! That's not it. That's what most people think and Matt 16:18 has nothing to do with it. Try looking at John 18:36 and Revelation 20:6

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May 5th 2006, 4:04 am
Yes, the serpent is Satan as you said. That's pretty easily identifiable really. However, there are 4 identities that God talks of. One you have identified. Who are the other three?

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:11 am
do u mean that the church of Christ here is other than his kingdom in heaven? ok what is the three? can u give the verse in the bible?

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May 5th 2006, 4:23 am
Galatians 4:26 is the woman (heavenly government)
1 John 3:10 is Satan's seed (demons)
John 18:37 identifies who will do the bruising to who's head?

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:32 am
what is your religion, may i know it...

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:41 am
i like to ask, is the church he build here is other than his kingdom in heven? if so why he did he say that he will build his church in a rock?

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May 5th 2006, 4:41 am
Have you not heard this viewpoint before? I am sure you have at some point in your life but like most people have dismissed it. I will let you know in due time. It is of no relevance at this point in time because if I tell you now without pointing you in the right direction then of what benefit is it that you know what my religion is? My religion is not a religion as such. It is a way of life. Once you attain this knowledge there is nothing that anyone can do to convince me that this what I have come to understand is truth and nothing but it. All because it come straight from the Bible and there is no human influence to tarnish God's words.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:45 am
are you a member of some religion like ADD? TOP? soriano?

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May 5th 2006, 5:34 am
The answers to your questions are no, no and no. In fact, I have not heard of any of these.

debunked
May 5th 2006, 7:34 am
Yes, the serpent is Satan as you said. That's pretty easily identifiable really. However, there are 4 identities that God talks of. One you have identified. Who are the other three?

I am trying to figure out where you are going with this? 4 identities of what?

Israel is spoke of in the feminine and so is the church. Also talked about as being His bride

the bruising one is quite a stretch from what Genesis says.

Children of the devil is used in a couple of ways, Jesus mentions it as far a living in sin.

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May 5th 2006, 2:37 pm
Consider this in regards to the bruising.

You will bruise him in the heel. Meaning Satan can only bruise Jesus in the heel, and he done so by his influencing the Jews to killing Jesus back in 33CE. Acts 3:15. But it is not a fatal blow. Hence, the heel. Jesus still lives as king
in heaven as we speak.

He will bruise you in the head. This is yet to happen. See Rev 20:10. This is a fatal blow. Hence, the head.

Israel yes. But a spiritual Israel. The heavenly government. Not a literal Israel we see today.

Genesis 3:15 is the first prophecy in the Bible that links up with Revelation 20:10.

This is the most important prophecy in the Bible because this is what the whole Bible is about. It exposes the theme of the Bible. The issue of universal sovereignty. Who deserves the right to rule. Satan or God. God is allowing Satan to rule in this system of things. 2 Cor 4:4-5. But not for much longer.

debunked
May 5th 2006, 3:09 pm
AAHHH I see now, Christian identity, Israel identity, Neo-nazi, etc.. beliefs....

"the jews aren't the jews, but the white european dude is, so help the muslims kill em all!"


Consider this in regards to the bruising.

You will bruise him in the heel. Meaning Satan can only bruise Jesus in the heel, and he done so by his influencing the Jews to killing Jesus back in 33CE. Acts 3:15. But it is not a fatal blow. Hence, the heel. Jesus still lives as king
in heaven as we speak.

He will bruise you in the head. This is yet to happen. See Rev 20:10. This is a fatal blow. Hence, the head.

Israel yes. But a spiritual Israel. The heavenly government. Not a literal Israel we see today.

Genesis 3:15 is the first prophecy in the Bible that links up with Revelation 20:10.

This is the most important prophecy in the Bible because this is what the whole Bible is about. It exposes the theme of the Bible. The issue of universal sovereignty. Who deserves the right to rule. Satan or God. God is allowing Satan to rule in this system of things. 2 Cor 4:4-5. But not for much longer.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 4:35 pm
may i ask again, the church that jesuschrist build (Mat. 16:18) is it other than his kingdom in heaven or not? can you answer this?

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May 5th 2006, 7:04 pm
Wrong again my friend. Yes I am a Christian, but I never think like that at all. Our God is not impartial so why should we be? He wants us all to live. Ezekiel 18:32,

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May 5th 2006, 7:12 pm
may i ask again, the church that jesuschrist build (Mat. 16:18) is it other than his kingdom in heaven or not? can you answer this?

First of all. There is no literal church that Jesus built. So, the answer is no. The kingdom that jesus is referring to is his kingdom. The heavenly one. Now answer me this my friend. This kingdom, who do you think will be ruling from this kingdom in heaven?

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 9:10 pm
if there is no literal church there is a spiritual church, how can i join that speritual church, where can i read it in the bible what is verse, you have to use the verse in the bible to prove it, my friend.. jesus did not say i will build my spiritual church! how about this "1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." i think we have to finish this topic first before we have another topic, my friend. if you beleive that you know the true word please share this to me, i also like to be save... tnx

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May 5th 2006, 9:22 pm
Jesus told his disciples where to find this in John 13:34-35.

If you look around the world. There is only one group of people that have real love for one another. This same group of people are the only ones who are doing the work that Jesus asked us to do in Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19-20.

By this and this alone should make you identify who I am and who I represent. If you can't work this out then I will tell you. Maybe then you will put it all together.

Friend. I want you to be saved too! But you must have a heart that is willing to listen and discern.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 9:37 pm
im willing to listen and discern... thats why i asking a question... but the most important here all our evidence must come from the bible. ok so can u answer my last question...? i have many question to ask

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May 5th 2006, 9:40 pm
Which question was this? There has been many my friend.

kawikaan
May 5th 2006, 9:44 pm
if there is no literal church there is a spiritual church, how can i join that speritual church, where can i read it in the bible what is verse, you have to use the verse in the bible to prove it, my friend.. jesus did not say i will build my spiritual church! how about this "1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

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May 5th 2006, 9:59 pm
Try 2 Timothy 2:1-2 "You, therefore, my child, keep on acquiring power in the undeserved kindness that is in connection with Christ Jesus, 2 and the things you heard from me with the support of many witnesses, these things commit to faithful men, who, in turn, will be adequately qualified to teach others".

It is this church that has the people qualified to teach others. Teach what though? The truth. What truth? The truth about God and the truth about his purposes.

OoKami255
May 5th 2006, 10:15 pm
What is your belief/denomination?

I'm offended, you left out Agnostic, which is a very common and important faith.

As for me, I'm Gnostic.

On the subject of religion: man can only conceive of what he can sense.

-Abhishek-
May 5th 2006, 10:20 pm
Please see my latest Blog Post for my thoughts on religion ....
Abhishek

jackburton2006
May 5th 2006, 11:55 pm
Please see my latest Blog Post for my thoughts on religion ....
Abhishek

Fantastic! I was sitting at the keyword today wondering to myself, "Gee, what does -Abhishek- think of religion..."?

Rick_Michael
May 6th 2006, 12:29 am
Fantastic! I was sitting at the keyword today wondering to myself, "Gee, what does -Abhishek- think of religion..."?

Please look at my blog for what porn I'm looking at. ; )

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May 6th 2006, 12:33 am
Rick. The name rhymes with sick. Funny that!

-Abhishek-
May 6th 2006, 12:52 am
Ummm ... I'm sorry ... was in a bit of hurry ....
Here's a quote ...
Religion ..Hmmmm….
Filed under: General — Abhishek at 5:16 am on Saturday, May 6, 2006

A thread on religion in the DP Forum, inspired me to write this rant, it’s not intended at anyone in particular, it’s just a weblog, I am the Logger. If you don’t agree with my thoughts, you are free to disgrace, since if all of us agreed on the same point, wouldn’t life be a boring trip to death ?? Wouldn’t everyone want to drive the same car and love the same girl ?

Anyways, sticking to the topic, according to me, The Human mind is a unique disaster, a catastrophe.It’s completely unpredictable.There are people who’s sentences you can finish and there are people who are uncapable of compiling a single sentence with a point in it.

What I don’t understand are those power games. You know, when two powerfull people are in the same space and time they seem to collapse as they saw, as they say, two Lions cannot redside in the same jungle. Take Muslims and Jews or Muslims and Christians. Or Hindus and Muslims. The greater powers are the ones who lead these people in a never ending vicious circle, at least that is what the followers preach to themselves.

As even in today’s fast paced life, I do get time to think about faith, about God and the endless mysteries. I’ve been raised with the traditions of the Hindu culture, while I follow only one religion for now, and that’s “Indiannes”. There are people in this world claiming there is no such thing as God. The fact is, God is an abstract word for everyone. God is neither a person or a power. When we talk about God, either we are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist, we talk about a higher level of being. Some classify God as the creator or as the judge, sometimes as a guide and even as a ruler.

What people don’t seem to understand is that God is just a word for hope. Even a non-religious person knows what the word God means, leave him stranded in a Dark Forest for a night, and he’ll once, atleast once, think of God. The fact remains that God is the one we blame, the one we ask when there is a reason to think that the positive ending of an action or event relies on faith or luck. While many need God as a referree to guide them to life (Christianity, Hinduism), others see him as the ruler and creator of all (Islam, Jewish), the fact remains that the human nature is to serve from free will.

Faith and religion are abstract, personal things. Things which can’t be measured with scientific equipment or logical laws of nature. They are part of the essence of mankind. And if this is part of your essence, it becomes part of your ideals. And ideals are the part of men that can either turn out in creation or destruction. Religion is a part of one self, how one feels or thinks can be only guessed and still be completely unreliable even if we know a person so well. Each person controls their own mind and interpretes information differently than the other. What I think is weird, is the fact that people are willing to sacrifice anything to defend what they’ve understand or adopted from their religion. Maybe one day all mankind will respect each others religion.

In India, there have been asassinations of many people, on the grounds of religion by people who say they had to follow the rules of a Holy War. What I don’t understand is that people are focussed on a religion instead of a lunatic that has been pressured to act. I regret the death of any human being, since that is not the way of life I believe in, yet I think that the act is understandable. And they judged on the people in their minds for the sake of the society, when they’re all being brainwashed by a corrupt elite power of the world. They are the mental slaves of the Fanatic world.

You don’t have to be gifted with psychic powers to see what is coming. It is sad to see, that history always tends to repeat. We live in a corrupt world, allowing the governments to continue to lower the standards of our morals and ethics. We haven’t stopped to pollute the world, we have established rules how much polution we are allowed to create. Tell me where in the last fifty years have we established a international scientific centre where the world combines technology to solve the worlds diseases? Instead we have invested millions in military bases around the globe, we allow that countries can be bombed to the stone age just to catch one sick man with a long beard (and still don’t catch him…). We watch TV everyday and see young kids die of hunger in Africa or see the death bodies being dragged away in countries where war is the only reliable factor of the day. We don’t protest, we give money(Donations or Crap) to a company that pays their director 200K annually so we can satisfy our feelings of guilt. We have become arrogant and selfish and stopped caring for the fellow men.

It doesn’t matter if you believe or do not believe, I’ll hope you pray for the better good of this world, because as far I see it, life and this world is the greatest gift from God, which is a present probably unworthy.

Don’t change the world. Change the people. Don’t be part of a collective of mental slavery.

Please Post Comments People, it can get me writing.
Abhishek

Apologies once again ....
I hope I made my point via this post ....
Abhishek

kawikaan
May 6th 2006, 2:04 am
In India, there have been asassinations of many people, on the grounds of religion by people who say they had to follow the rules of a Holy War. What I don’t understand is that people are focussed on a religion instead of a lunatic that has been pressured to act. I regret the death of any human being, since that is not the way of life I believe in, yet I think that the act is understandable. And they judged on the people in their minds for the sake of the society, when they’re all being brainwashed by a corrupt elite power of the world. They are the mental slaves of the Fanatic world.
my friend in our religion we obey what the bible say, specially the word of OUR God in the Bible, like this in the king james version "Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." if only we people are with the same religion that will obey this commandment of God, do you think we still need police, judge, prisons. or other anti terrorism? the only reason why this world is being corrupted because of the devil using human, and Our God already know what will happen in the furure so he command his desiples to wrote it, so his people will be aware or ready for it, from the king james version bible "2Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Timothy 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Timothy 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Timothy 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

kawikaan
May 6th 2006, 2:19 am
"Rome 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rome 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."
many people in this world donot obey this commandent if you really undersand this even you are not a christian and don't believe in the bible, for a minute ask you heart, this word of the true Christian God in the bible is really againts the flesh, because many people like to kill people especially their enemies, like to do wrong to other people, but the True christian God command that you have to love you your enemies, i always say that "true christian" because there are many king of christian many says that they are the true christian the true fallowers of Jesuschrist but donot obey the commandment of God, if we all people will follow the God there will be true peace on earth...

-Abhishek-
May 6th 2006, 2:29 am
Bro the Holy books of all religion preach peace ....
The Bible, The Gita , The Quran each of em preaches peace ...
You say you follow it, but does every christain follow it.
I strictly believe in Individualism :) , for example if the national cricket team of a country loses a match ? Does it mean the Whole country is a Loser ?? NO ...
Similarly, you follow what the bible preaches .. but what's the guarantee that every single Christain follows it ?? NO ..
That's it ... am justified I guess ...
Abhishek

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May 6th 2006, 4:02 am
Kawikaan,

You are quoting many scriptures but do you know the true meaning of each scripture? I could post the whole Bible if I wish but that would be pointless. You must have the ability to reason on every scripture that you quote. Otherwise, you are acting on blind faith.

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May 6th 2006, 5:22 am
Bro the Holy books of all religion preach peace ....
The Bible, The Gita , The Quran each of em preaches peace ...
You say you follow it, but does every christain follow it.
I strictly believe in Individualism :) , for example if the national cricket team of a country loses a match ? Does it mean the Whole country is a Loser ?? NO ...
Similarly, you follow what the bible preaches .. but what's the guarantee that every single Christain follows it ?? NO ..
That's it ... am justified I guess ...
Abhishek

Funny that! What you said about not every one following Christ's teachings. Not many will. In fact it is prophecy in Matthew 7:13-14 is where Jesus said "Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it"

kawikaan
May 6th 2006, 6:53 am
"Galacia 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
" even in the true christian time inside the church there are also a false brethren specially now...

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May 6th 2006, 3:09 pm
Kawikaan,

Read this below,

They Stopped Walking on the Broad Road

Tom writes: “In the mid-70’s, we came in contact with Jehovah’s Witnesses when one of them called at our home. The discussion led to a study of the Bible. Step-by-step I began to clean up my life. I was baptized in 1982 and am now serving in the local congregation. Our son too is now baptized. I thank my wife for putting up with me for all those years before I learned the truth. And above all I thank Jehovah and his Son, Christ Jesus, for all they have given us and for the hope we now have for the future.”

And what about Mary? Well, she felt that God would never forgive her, but she wanted to learn about him for the sake of her children. When she heard that Jehovah’s Witnesses were teaching her neighbor the Bible, she too asked for help. However, her ingrained bad habits made progress difficult. The study swung through highs and lows. Her little seven-year-old daughter, though, kept her going. “Come on, Mom. You can do it!” she would say. Then Mary would try harder.

When her common-law husband, also a drug abuser, returned home, he too joined in the study. Eventually both conquered their bad habits. Then, after legalizing their marriage and submitting to baptism, they experienced great happiness and felt like a real family for the first time. Sadly, AIDS finally took Mary’s life, but she died with her heart fixed on the Bible’s promise of a resurrection and life on a paradise earth, cleansed of every trace of the malignant broad road.

Yes, it is possible to get off the broad and spacious road that leads to destruction. Christ Jesus said: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3) Why not, then, resolve to set your feet on the narrow path that leads to life? By taking to heart and applying what you learn from God’s Word, you may personally experience the Bible’s heartwarming promise: “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”—John 8:32.

kawikaan
May 6th 2006, 4:57 pm
my friend you are a member of Jehovah's Witnesses, can we have a friendly discussion about our faith? so i may learn about you faith...

Mr Crow
May 6th 2006, 5:23 pm
i dont really care what you think

Well Now you went and did it .....


Ya cost me a green rep to give you a red rep ....


Personally I respect those Mexicans who can work a circle around you!!!

I would be happy as heck to have what you and your superiority complex call low people working for me ...

Atleast I know one thing .. they got guts unlike you who probably is a scrawny lit twit sitting at his mommys computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mommy says its time to go to bed now... nite nite little boy!

jackburton2006
May 6th 2006, 6:00 pm
Haha, funny. -Abhishek- just quoted himself. :D

-Abhishek-
May 6th 2006, 6:56 pm
Well ... I had posted this article on my blog ... and when i asked em to check out my blog ... i got a taunt in return ....(which was understandable)
So i quoted myselves thats it ...
Abhishek

kawikaan
May 6th 2006, 8:55 pm
friend warrior r u still there? :)

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May 7th 2006, 12:46 am
Kawikaan,

Yep. Just got home from being all day with my friends. You are absolutely correct. Welcome to the beginning of finding out the truth. It is probably best if we correspond via email from now on if that is alright by you. You can most certainly find out about my faith. But, are you willing to listen with an open mind? If you are, then send me an email and we can continue our discussion.

Col

kawikaan
May 7th 2006, 4:13 pm
ya that's very fine for me, no problem, but i suggest that we still continue it here, for the other people, so that they also know about faith in God...

argyle
May 7th 2006, 4:20 pm
ya that's very fine for me, no problem, but i suggest that we still continue it here, for the other people, so that they also know about faith in God...

You mean... YOUR faith in god? What about those who dont believe in your god? You think this thread will convert them and steer them away from the eternal fire from down below?

kawikaan
May 7th 2006, 9:44 pm
u can discuss your faith in your God too, is that a problem? i just want to learn more about other people God...not to convert other people, if you believe that your God is the true God help us understant, share it with us so we all be save, i know your God is good God too, he teach you good things, sharing to other poeple about his Righteousness is a sign of good person...

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May 8th 2006, 12:38 am
Argyle,

I don't think Kawikaan is trying to convert you so don't you go worrying yourself. In fact, I don't know what doctrine he follows anyhow. No matter what anyone believes, the Bible states this very clearly in several places. There is only one Almighty God. The only true God. The only living God. All other gods are not real. Yes, people put there faith in their gods but have these other gods proven themselves to us humans? Did these other gods part the red sea to deliver the Israelites? Did the other gods open the grond up and swallow the tribes that murmured against one of God's chosen leaders and spokesperson? Did the other gods deliver Daniel from the lion's pit? Did the other gods save Meshech, Shadrach and Abednego from the fiery furnace that King Nebuchadnezzar had arranged them to be thrown into? How many more events does there need to be to show there is only one God? There are many more of course. But, what is to come soon is the biggest event in mankind's history and there is nothing any human can do to prevent it from happening. If you want to know more. Just ask!

libertygone
May 9th 2006, 3:07 am
why isn't there one for "i hate religion. (and) athiest"

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May 9th 2006, 3:12 am
why isn't there one for "i hate religion. (and) athiest"

Is that a curious question or is that how you feel?

kawikaan
May 9th 2006, 3:20 am
why you hate religion? may i know ur reason...libertygone mybe we can help each other

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May 9th 2006, 3:22 am
Kawikaan,

I get the feeling you have been avoiding me since our last discussion. I can certainly help you if you have an ear for listening.

kawikaan
May 9th 2006, 3:50 am
im sorry but i encouter some problem in my monitor yerterday i have to bring it to an electronics... thank god its now fix...

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May 9th 2006, 4:00 am
You should check out what I just posted in the other thread about 666!! You might get a surprise.

Just curious, have you been contacted by my people before? If yes, how did you go with that?

kawikaan
May 9th 2006, 4:44 pm
no... who is you people? are you a religious leader? my i know

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May 9th 2006, 4:59 pm
Kawikaan,

I think you might have a short memory. You identified me as a Jehovah's Witness, remember?

I am not a religious leader and never will be. I belong to a congregation of about 100 publishers (preaching the good news). There are 98,200 congregations world-wide with about 6,500,000 publishers.

The head of all of these congregations is Jesus Christ the son of the only true God, Jehovah.

Need to know more?

debunked
May 9th 2006, 5:41 pm
Kawikaan,

I think you might have a short memory. You identified me as a Jehovah's Witness, remember?

I am not a religious leader and never will be. I belong to a congregation of about 100 publishers (preaching the good news). There are 98,200 congregations world-wide with about 6,500,000 publishers.

The head of all of these congregations is Jesus Christ the son of the only true God, Jehovah.

Need to know more?
Does Jesus have a brother?
Are you a Jew? or part of the nation of Israel?
How do you attain salvation?

On another note: what do you publish, if you are a publisher?

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May 9th 2006, 5:53 pm
Does Jesus have a brother?
Are you a Jew? or part of the nation of Israel?
How do you attain salvation?

On another note: what do you publish, if you are a publisher?

Yes, Jesus has half-brothers when he was on earth. James, Joseph, Simon and Judas.
No, I am not a Jew or a part of the nation of Israel.
I attain salvation because I am a doer of the word and not just a hearer.
I am a baptized publisher that publishes the good news of the kingdom as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 24:13-14 and Matthew 28:19-20

Need to know more?

debunked
May 9th 2006, 6:28 pm
Yes, Jesus has half-brothers when he was on earth. James, Joseph, Simon and Judas.
No, I am not a Jew or a part of the nation of Israel.
I attain salvation because I am a doer of the word and not just a hearer.
I am a baptized publisher that publishes the good news of the kingdom as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 24:13-14 and Matthew 28:19-20

Need to know more?
Why did Jesus die? (not how, I know he died on a cross)
Does Jesus have spiritual brothers? Or any equal to Him? Or greater than Him?

So you publish in print the good news on the internet? (I don't understand this publisher thing)

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May 9th 2006, 6:39 pm
Why did Jesus die? (not how, I know he died on a cross)
Does Jesus have spiritual brothers? Or any equal to Him? Or greater than Him?

So you publish in print the good news on the internet? (I don't understand this publisher thing)

Actually, he died on a stake. Go look up the Greek word for "Storos". It's not a cross at all!

Read below (I'll answer your other questions in another post):

Jehovah Provides “a Ransom in Exchange for Many”

“ALL creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together.” (Romans 8:22) With those words the apostle Paul describes the pitiful state in which we find ourselves. From a human standpoint, there seems to be no way out of suffering, sin, and death. But Jehovah does not have human limitations. (Numbers 23:19) The God of justice has provided us with a way out of our distress. It is called the ransom.

2 The ransom is Jehovah’s greatest gift to mankind. It makes possible our deliverance from sin and death. (Ephesians 1:7) It is the foundation of the hope of everlasting life, whether in heaven or on a paradise earth. (Luke 23:43; John 3:16; 1 Peter 1:4) But just what is the ransom? How does it teach us about Jehovah’s superlative justice?

How the Need for a Ransom Arose

3 The ransom became necessary because of the sin of Adam. By disobeying God, Adam bequeathed to his offspring a legacy of sickness, sorrow, pain, and death. (Genesis 2:17; Romans 8:20) God could not yield to sentiment and simply commute the death sentence. To do so would be to ignore his own law: “The wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) And were Jehovah to invalidate his own standards of justice, then universal chaos and lawlessness would reign!

4 As we saw in Chapter 12, the rebellion in Eden raised even greater issues. Satan cast a dark shadow across God’s good name. In effect, he accused Jehovah of being a liar and a cruel dictator who deprived his creatures of freedom. (Genesis 3:1-5) By seemingly thwarting God’s purpose to fill the earth with righteous humans, Satan also labeled God a failure. (Genesis 1:28; Isaiah 55:10, 11) Had Jehovah left these challenges unanswered, many of his intelligent creatures might well have lost a measure of confidence in his rulership.

5 Satan also slandered Jehovah’s loyal servants, charging that they served Him only out of selfish motives and that if placed under pressure, none would remain faithful to God. (Job 1:9-11) These issues were of far greater importance than the human predicament. Jehovah rightly felt obliged to answer Satan’s slanderous charges. But how could God settle these issues and also save mankind?

Ransom—An Equivalent

6 Jehovah’s solution was both supremely merciful and profoundly just—one that no human could ever have devised. Yet, it was elegantly simple. It is variously referred to as a purchase, a reconciliation, a redemption, a propitiation, and an atonement. (Psalm 49:8; Daniel 9:24; Galatians 3:13; Colossians 1:20; Hebrews 2:17) But the expression that perhaps best describes matters is the one used by Jesus himself. He said: “The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom [Greek, ly´tron] in exchange for many.”—Matthew 20:28.

7 What is a ransom? The Greek word used here comes from a verb meaning “to let loose, to release.” This term was used to describe money paid in exchange for the release of prisoners of war. Basically, then, a ransom can be defined as something paid to buy something back. In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word for “ransom” (ko´pher) comes from a verb meaning “to cover.” For example, God told Noah that he must “cover” (a form of the same word) the ark with tar. (Genesis 6:14) This helps us appreciate that to ransom also means to cover sins.—Psalm 65:3.

8 Significantly, the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament observes that this word (ko´pher) “always denotes an equivalent,” or a correspondency. Thus, the cover of the ark of the covenant had a shape corresponding to the ark itself. Likewise, in order to ransom, or cover, sin, a price must be paid that fully corresponds to, or fully covers, the damage caused by the sin. God’s Law to Israel thus stated: “Soul will be for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”—Deuteronomy 19:21.

9 Men of faith from Abel onward offered animal sacrifices to God. In so doing, they demonstrated their awareness of sin and of the need for redemption, and they showed their faith in God’s promised liberation through his “seed.” (Genesis 3:15; 4:1-4; Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 11:4) Jehovah looked upon such sacrifices with favor and granted these worshipers a good standing. Nevertheless, animal offerings were, at best, a mere token. Animals could not really cover man’s sin, for they are inferior to humans. (Psalm 8:4-8) Hence, the Bible says: “It is not possible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take sins away.” (Hebrews 10:1-4) Such sacrifices were only pictorial, or symbolic, of the true ransom sacrifice that was to come.

“A Corresponding Ransom”

10 “In Adam all are dying,” said the apostle Paul. (1 Corinthians 15:22) The ransom thus had to involve the death of the exact equal of Adam—a perfect human. (Romans 5:14) No other kind of creature could balance the scales of justice. Only a perfect human, someone not under the Adamic death sentence, could offer “a corresponding ransom”—one corresponding perfectly to Adam. (1 Timothy 2:6) It would not be necessary for untold millions of individual humans to be sacrificed so as to correspond to each descendant of Adam. The apostle Paul explained: “Through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world and death through sin.” (Romans 5:12) And “since death is through a man,” God provided for the redemption of mankind “through a man.” (1 Corinthians 15:21) How?

11 Jehovah arranged to have a perfect man voluntarily sacrifice his life. According to Romans 6:23, “the wages sin pays is death.” In sacrificing his life, the ransomer would “taste death for every man.” In other words, he would pay the wage for Adam’s sin. (Hebrews 2:9; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24) This would have profound legal consequences. By nullifying the death sentence upon Adam’s obedient offspring, the ransom would cut off the destructive power of sin right at its source.—Romans 5:16.

12 To illustrate: Imagine that you live in a town where most of the residents are employed at a large factory. You and your neighbors are well paid for your labors and lead comfortable lives. That is, until the day the factory closes its doors. The reason? The factory manager turned corrupt, forcing the business into bankruptcy. Suddenly out of work, you and your neighbors are unable to pay the bills. Marriage mates, children, and creditors suffer because of that one man’s corruption. Is there a way out? Yes! A wealthy benefactor decides to intervene. He appreciates the value of the company. He also feels for its many employees and their families. So he arranges to pay off the company’s debt and reopen the factory. The cancellation of that one debt brings relief to the many employees and their families and to the creditors. Similarly, the cancellation of Adam’s debt benefits untold millions.

Who Provides the Ransom?

13 Only Jehovah could provide “the Lamb . . . that takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29) But God did not send just any angel to rescue mankind. Instead, he sent the One who could furnish the ultimate, conclusive answer to Satan’s charge against Jehovah’s servants. Yes, Jehovah made the supreme sacrifice of sending his only-begotten Son, “the one he was specially fond of.” (Proverbs 8:30) Willingly, God’s Son “emptied himself” of his heavenly nature. (Philippians 2:7) Miraculously, Jehovah transferred the life and the personality pattern of his firstborn heavenly Son to the womb of a Jewish virgin named Mary. (Luke 1:27, 35) As a man, he would be called Jesus. But in a legal sense, he could be called the second Adam, for he corresponded perfectly to Adam. (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47) Jesus could thus offer himself up in sacrifice as a ransom for sinful mankind.

14 To whom would that ransom be paid? Psalm 49:7 specifically says that the ransom is paid “to God.” But is not Jehovah the one who arranges for the ransom in the first place? Yes, but this does not reduce the ransom to a pointless, mechanical exchange—like taking money out of one pocket and putting it into another. It must be appreciated that the ransom is, not a physical exchange, but a legal transaction. By providing for the payment of the ransom, even at enormous cost to himself, Jehovah affirmed his unwavering adherence to his own perfect justice.—Genesis 22:7, 8, 11-13; Hebrews 11:17; James 1:17.

15 In the spring of 33 C.E., Jesus Christ willingly submitted to an ordeal that led to the payment of the ransom. He allowed himself to be arrested on false charges, judged guilty, and nailed to a stake of execution. Was it really necessary for Jesus to suffer so much? Yes, because the issue of the integrity of God’s servants had to be settled. Significantly, God did not allow the infant Jesus to be killed by Herod. (Matthew 2:13-18) But when Jesus was an adult, he was able to withstand the brunt of Satan’s attacks with full comprehension of the issues. By remaining “loyal, guileless, undefiled, separated from the sinners” in spite of horrific treatment, Jesus proved with dramatic finality that Jehovah does have servants who remain faithful under trial. (Hebrews 7:26) No wonder, then, that at the moment before his death, Jesus cried out triumphantly: “It has been accomplished!”—John 19:30.

Finishing His Redemptive Work

16 Jesus had yet to finish his redemptive work. On the third day after Jesus’ death, Jehovah raised him from the dead. (Acts 3:15; 10:40) By this momentous act, Jehovah not only rewarded his Son for his faithful service but gave him the opportunity to finish his redemptive work as God’s High Priest. (Romans 1:4; 1 Corinthians 15:3-8) The apostle Paul explains: “When Christ came as a high priest . . . , he entered, no, not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time into the holy place and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us. For Christ entered, not into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, now to appear before the person of God for us.”—Hebrews 9:11, 12, 24.

17 Christ could not take his literal blood into heaven. (1 Corinthians 15:50) Rather, he took what that blood symbolized: the legal value of his sacrificed perfect human life. Then, before the person of God, he made formal presentation of the value of that life as a ransom in exchange for sinful mankind. Did Jehovah accept that sacrifice? Yes, and this became evident at Pentecost 33 C.E., when the holy spirit was poured out upon about 120 disciples in Jerusalem. (Acts 2:1-4) Thrilling though that was, the ransom was then just beginning to provide marvelous benefits.

Benefits of the Ransom

18 In his letter to the Colossians, Paul explains that God saw good through Christ to reconcile to Himself all other things by making peace through the blood Jesus shed on the torture stake. Paul also explains that this reconciliation involves two distinct groups of individuals, namely, “the things in the heavens” and “the things upon the earth.” (Colossians 1:19, 20; Ephesians 1:10) That first group consists of 144,000 Christians who are given the hope of serving as heavenly priests and ruling as kings over the earth with Christ Jesus. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 7:4; 14:1-3) Through them, the benefits of the ransom will gradually be applied to obedient mankind over a period of a thousand years.—1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Revelation 20:6; 21:3, 4.

19 “The things upon the earth” are those individuals in line to enjoy perfect life in Paradise on earth. Revelation 7:9-17 describes them as “a great crowd” who will survive the coming “great tribulation.” But they do not have to wait until then to enjoy the benefits of the ransom. They have already “washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Because they exercise faith in the ransom, they are even now receiving spiritual benefits from that loving provision. They have been declared righteous as God’s friends! (James 2:23) As a result of Jesus’ sacrifice, they can “approach with freeness of speech to the throne of undeserved kindness.” (Hebrews 4:14-16) When they err, they receive real forgiveness. (Ephesians 1:7) In spite of being imperfect, they enjoy a cleansed conscience. (Hebrews 9:9; 10:22; 1 Peter 3:21) Being reconciled to God is thus, not some hoped-for development, but a present reality! (2 Corinthians 5:19, 20) During the Millennium, they will gradually “be set free from enslavement to corruption” and will finally “have the glorious freedom of the children of God.”—Romans 8:21.

20 “Thanks to God through Jesus Christ” for the ransom! (Romans 7:25) It is simple in principle, yet profound enough to fill us with awe. (Romans 11:33) And by our meditating appreciatively on it, the ransom touches our hearts, drawing us ever closer to the God of justice. Like the psalmist, we have every reason to praise Jehovah as “a lover of righteousness and justice.”—Psalm 33:5.

[Footnotes]

Adam and Eve could not have benefited from the ransom. The Mosaic Law stated this principle regarding a willful murderer: “You must take no ransom for the soul of a murderer who is deserving to die.” (Numbers 35:31) Clearly, Adam and Eve deserved to die because they willingly and knowingly disobeyed God. They thereby gave up their prospect of everlasting life.

In order to counterbalance the sin of Adam, Jesus had to die, not as a perfect child, but as a perfect man. Remember, Adam’s sin was willful, carried out with full knowledge of the seriousness of the act and its consequences. So in order to become “the last Adam” and cover that sin, Jesus had to make a mature, knowing choice to keep his integrity to Jehovah. (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47) Thus Jesus’ entire faithful life course—including his sacrificial death—served as “one act of justification.”—Romans 5:18, 19.

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May 9th 2006, 6:42 pm
Why did Jesus die? (not how, I know he died on a cross)
Does Jesus have spiritual brothers? Or any equal to Him? Or greater than Him?

So you publish in print the good news on the internet? (I don't understand this publisher thing)

No. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Everything else is subject to him and Jehovah God.
Only one greater than Jesus and that is his father Jehovah. His whole life course on earth was to do nothing than glorify Jehovah's name.

debunked
May 9th 2006, 9:30 pm
No. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Everything else is subject to him and Jehovah God.
Only one greater than Jesus and that is his father Jehovah. His whole life course on earth was to do nothing than glorify Jehovah's name.

That's right, you don't believe Jesus was there before time. So when did he get created?

You seem to be trying to find ways of going off track by changing the meaning of a word to mean something else or finding an alternate definition. You also seem to be taking verses out of context along with trying to wrap a verse around a belief rather than read the word as a whole to find out what God has to say.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.

I suppose you have an alternate meaning to the Hebrew words for Son and God for this verse too? You may want to read the Bible with an open mind and not let any MAN convince you of its meaning but to ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. You may find that you have been told many lies that you now believe to be true.

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May 9th 2006, 9:41 pm
That's right, you don't believe Jesus was there before time. So when did he get created?

Before time? When did time start? It didn't start, just like God never began. God has always been, just as it says so in the Bible. 1 Timothy 1:17

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May 9th 2006, 9:47 pm
I may not have answered your question. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation and then everything else was created through him. It is impossible to know when he was created by God. I imagine it would have been millions and millions of years ago when the universe was created by God and his master worker Jesus.
No one knows the time or date when Jesus was created and anyone that says they do know is a liar because it is not anywhere to be found in the Bible.

However, a lot of people believe that Jesus was never a spirit creature before being born as a human.

Does this clear things up for you?

Want to know more?

debunked
May 9th 2006, 9:59 pm
I may not have answered your question. Jesus was the firstborn of all creation and then everything else was created through him. It is impossible to know when he was created by God. I imagine it would have been millions and millions of years ago when the universe was created by God and his master worker Jesus.
No one knows the time or date when Jesus was created and anyone that says they do know is a liar because it is not anywhere to be found in the Bible.

However, a lot of people believe that Jesus was never a spirit creature before being born as a human.

Does this clear things up for you?

Want to know more?

Trust me I want to know more, but from the source, with the help of the Holy Spirit reading the Word and through Prayer. God has been very generous with me and leading me and my family on His path.

I praise and worship Jesus my Savior and thank Him for the gift He has given. Since my love grows for Him I want to serve Him and obey Him. He is my everything, my breathe, my life, my savior, my friend.

To God be the Glory forever and ever!

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May 9th 2006, 10:09 pm
Trust me I want to know more, but from the source, with the help of the Holy Spirit reading the Word and through Prayer. God has been very generous with me and leading me and my family on His path.

I praise and worship Jesus my Savior and thank Him for the gift He has given. Since my love grows for Him I want to serve Him and obey Him. He is my everything, my breathe, my life, my savior, my friend.

To God be the Glory forever and ever!


If you want to do this right, then never worship Jesus. He does not want to be worshipped. he wants Jehovah God, his father to be worshipped. He made this very clear throughout his ministry. There is no problem with heaping praise on Jesus, because it is through him and only him that you can even get to know the father and only through Jesus can we even get to pray to God. Jesus is the mediator between us and God. Prayer must be done the right way. Read very carefully, word by word Matthew 6:7-15. or read it here:

But when praying, do not say the same things over and over again, just as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words. 8 So, do not make yourselves like them, for God YOUR Father knows what things YOU are needing before ever YOU ask him.

“YOU must pray, then, this way:

“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. Give us today our bread for this day; and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’

“For if YOU forgive men their trespasses, YOUR heavenly Father will also forgive YOU; whereas if YOU do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will YOUR Father forgive YOUR trespasses.

debunked
May 9th 2006, 10:23 pm
If you want to do this right, then never worship Jesus. He does not want to be worshipped. he wants Jehovah God, his father to be worshipped. He made this very clear throughout his ministry.

Where do you get this?

The angels would stop people from worshipping them, but Jesus never stopped someone from worshipping Him.

Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him and He would not.

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May 9th 2006, 10:37 pm
I understand the angels warned people not to worship them.
Jesus may never have stopped people from worshipping him, but he made it very clear that only God should be worshipped. In fact, you just mentioned the event where Satan tried to get Jesus to worship him and what did Jesus say to him?

Matthew 4:8-11:

Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.

Therefore, it is clear that is only God we must worship.

Lotus9
May 9th 2006, 10:40 pm
I'm half cherokee and choctaw, my baby, she's a chickasaw. And, she's pretty much a one of a kind.

kawikaan
May 10th 2006, 3:02 am
im sorry, if i have a short memory, lets talk about the church jesuschrist built... sorry for my language im not good in english... if Jesus built chuch what is the name of the church? let start here, because the if you want to find something you will look first for the name... what is the name of the church...?

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May 10th 2006, 3:10 am
Jehovah's Witnesses is the organization that Jehovah God uses to do his will and this is exactly what Jesus preached about and commanded us to do. Look at the commandments from God and the commandments from Jesus. Then, take a look around you and find out which group of people are doing ALL these things. It's very easy to see that Jehovah's Witnesses are doing ALL we are commanded to do.

kawikaan
May 10th 2006, 3:24 am
im sorry to say but, my question is the name of church jesuschrist built... it you believe that Jehovah's witnesess is the name, what verse in the bible can i read it...

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May 10th 2006, 5:02 am
You can only go by the works that are done according to the Bible:

Here are some examples:

Hebrews 10:24-25 And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning YOU, the same way as I did forewarn YOU, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.

Romans 2:6-11 And he will render to each one according to his works: everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger, tribulation and distress, upon the soul of every man who works what is injurious, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory and honor and peace for everyone who works what is good, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.

John 14:12 Most truly I say to YOU, He that exercises faith in me, that one also will do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father.

Matthew 24:13-14 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Kawikaan,

I ask you again. Who else is doing these good works but Jehovah's Witnesses and who are abstaining from the bad works?

debunked
May 10th 2006, 7:22 am
I ask you again. Who else is doing these good works but Jehovah's Witnesses and who are abstaining from the bad works?

And others that do the good and not the bad - what are they then?

BTW, The watchtower is a publishing business that has nothing to do with the true God, but profits from using His name!

Jesus says "if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father", is He a liar then? Again, you have to be careful not to take a thought and try to find verses that fit your need, but rather read the WHOLE Bible and find out what it says. Yes, it can be uncomfortable to find out God is different than what you may want Him to be, but at the same time you will be pleased to find out how great He is.

balzizras
May 10th 2006, 2:06 pm
Inspired by Buddaman:

What is your belief/denomination?

You forgot agnostic. :(