Content..? Is this a smart move?

[Klaas Koopman]

http://www.rsscontentbuilder.com/

would that actually be good for my website www.webmasterspalace.com (http://www.webmasterspalace.com) or not? Because we are really busy working on getting content on that website, and I am wondering would stuff like that be good for my site or not? And it's $100, is there any way to get something like that cheaper?

[kalius]

Looks, smells and all like a "black hat tool".

[Sorvoja]

It is ok with some syndicated content on the web site, the SEOChat forums have some syndicated news posted in their forums once every hour. But if you base your site primarly on syndicated content, then it is "black hat"/not good/risky.

[Klaas Koopman]

what's a better way to get loads of content quickly then?

[kalius]

Pay for it. Lock yourself out and write. GEt some articles at article submission sites.

Take it easy and slow, Thats the best advice I can give you.

BTP Klaas a lot of links on your site are broken, It looks like they get broken depending on the page you are at (specially if you are in the directory).

[Klaas Koopman]

thanks i'll try to get them fixed! anyone know of any good article submitting script? YFS1 was going to pm me one, but never got a reply!

[yfs1]

thanks i'll try to get them fixed! anyone know of any good article submitting script? YFS1 was going to pm me one, but never got a reply!

It wasn't a submitting script, it was one to pull articles in an approved way. It is still in development.

You can use the old cut and paste way in the meantime.

Say you want to use this article:
http://www.articledepot.co.uk/article-21903.htm

You can get the cut and paste HTML here:
http://www.articledepot.co.uk/gethtml.php?id=21903

Cheers

[Klaas Koopman]

oh darn, well yeah I like the cut and paste, but i also want a script so that people can submit to our site!

[pcdoc]

I've both used and submitted articles to http://www.articledepot.co.uk/

A great site.

[Klaas Koopman]

I've both used and submitted articles to http://www.articledepot.co.uk/

A great site.

I'm looking for such a script, not such a website!

[yfs1]

I'm looking for such a script, not such a website!
THanks PCDoc

Klaas - Lol, I know exactly what you are looking for. The problem is there are no such authorized scripts out there. All the major article sites actually specify in their TOS that they can't be used.

In your case, you are in a big hurry which I can't help you with. We are taking our time developing our software because we want to do it right. It may be another 2 weeks until its completely ready.

Sorry we couldn't be more help

[JSource]

I've both used and submitted articles to http://www.articledepot.co.uk/

A great site.

The problem with this site is the articles are the same article being used all over the net. You really need original articles, people writing those are just looking to spread links. A lot of them don't even contain and good information and were only written to get back links.

[yfs1]

The problem with this site is the articles are the same article being used all over the net. You really need original articles, people writing those are just looking to spread links. A lot of them don't even contain and good information and were only written to get back links.

Then don't use them :confused: If you don't like an article why would you put it on your site?

As far as the articles being used on many sites, does that make them less informative if they are well written? What are you proposing is the downside of using good content to supplement original content for your visitors?

[sarahk]

Have you looked at digg.com which has an easy blog writing tool in it.

Sarah

[JSource]

Then don't use them :confused: If you don't like an article why would you put it on your site?

As far as the articles being used on many sites, does that make them less informative if they are well written? What are you proposing is the downside of using good content to supplement original content for your visitors?


Articles used on many websites will get you punished by google (under the duplicate content rule). This is not proven but almost every SEO guy believes in it. Free content also means you have to include backlinks to the writers site, this is also a bad thing in the SEO world. Those are the big downsides... Then you got the little things, like your pretty much promoting another site in exchange for the article (you could lose that visitor). Duplicate content cheapens your site, I’m not going to stick around if I see the same articles that are published all over the net.

Your not going to get traffic from this duplicated content, its as simple as that... So why even bother putting it on your site. The way I see it is it will hurt more then it will help.

[JSource]

I just realized you own the site in question... no offense here, I'm just not a big fan of duplicate content. Its not a knock on your site by any means.

[yfs1]

Articles used on many websites will get you punished by google (under the duplicate content rule). This is not proven but almost every SEO guy believes in it.
If a professional SEO told you you would be penalized for using syndicated content, I wouldn't use them as they don't actually know SEO. I don't think you understand how duplicate content (which syndicated articles don't need to be) affects sites
Free content also means you have to include backlinks to the writers site, this is also a bad thing in the SEO world. Those are the big downsides... Then you got the little things, like your pretty much promoting another site in exchange for the article (you could lose that visitor). Duplicate content cheapens your site, I’m not going to stick around if I see the same articles that are published all over the net.
If you are that paranoid to linking out, you are int he wrong business. Linking out can actually help your SERPs in some cases and in most won't hurt you what so ever. If your main concern is you may lose the visitor, your site must be pretty bad itself

Your not going to get traffic from this duplicated content, its as simple as that... So why even bother putting it on your site. The way I see it is it will hurt more then it will help.
This is totally out of left field. I don't even understand this

[yfs1]

I just realized you own the site in question... no offense here, I'm just not a big fan of duplicate content. Its not a knock on your site by any means.

Don't worry...Its a common newbie mistake that using syndicated content will automatically qualify as duplicate content.

There is a lot of info on this forum so welcome and enjoy

[kalius]

Articles used on many websites will get you punished by google (under the duplicate content rule). This is not proven but almost every SEO guy believes in it. Free content also means you have to include backlinks to the writers site, this is also a bad thing in the SEO world. Those are the big downsides... Then you got the little things, like your pretty much promoting another site in exchange for the article (you could lose that visitor). Duplicate content cheapens your site, I’m not going to stick around if I see the same articles that are published all over the net.

Your not going to get traffic from this duplicated content, its as simple as that... So why even bother putting it on your site. The way I see it is it will hurt more then it will help.

You better go back to SEO 101. If you want an article with no link out pay for it.

If you want original content pay for it or write it yourself.

Syndicated articles are just another tool in the SEO toolbox.

BTW I would stop listening to the site/person that told you all that stuff.

[yfs1]

Kalius has brought up a good point which I forgot to mention and that is from an SEO perspective unique content is always best. But due to the expense and time it takes to generate, the perfect accompaniment is syndicated content.

I write a LOT of unique content and know its power but to say there is a penalty for using articles is unfounded and borders on the ridiculous (if it wasn't posted so many times by newbies, it wouldn't even be up for debate).

[GeorgeB.]

I too am looking for a similar script that most article sites will agree with.

[yfs1]

I too am looking for a similar script that most article sites will agree with.

You won't find one that all article sites allow. Both ezinearticles and goarticles have added the stipulation that these type of scripts are against their TOS

I believe we are the first ones to offer a comprehensive one

[kalius]

I too am looking for a similar script that most article sites will agree with.

Does a webmaster of a quality website want's this? I Would never publish an article in one of my websites that I haven't read, and that I haven't manually checked where the links go to.

I believe YS1 software might be a good move for him, but I don't see many people using it for good purposes.

YS1 you should read the black hat seo forums, blogs, etc to keep up to date since you have an article website, It could be helpfull for your bussiness.

[yfs1]

I believe YS1 software might be a good move for him, but I don't see many people using it for good purposes.

YS1 you should read the black hat seo forums, blogs, etc to keep up to date since you have an article website, It could be helpfull for your bussiness.
We aren't interested in Blackhat uses. Our software pulls from our site only (all articles are reviewed), and has the capabilty to pull by category or by keywords so it delivers relevant articles.

You also control the HTML around the articles for a seamless integration into your existing site

Furthermore it has an integrated control panel so that you can remove any articles you might not want. This gives you an oppurtunity to do as much or as little quality control as you want.

It is meant to supplement a site with good content, not to be a scraper to build copycat sites.

When we officially release it, I think you will find we had quality in mind from the beginning. A blackhat tool would have been much easier and cheaper to create but we are looking at building a long term resource

[kalius]

Sorry YS1 I mean you should see what they are using so you can protect the site from other scrapper programs out there.

[yfs1]

Sorry YS1 I mean as a way to protect the site from other scrapper programs.

You mean to protect Article Depot from scrapers?

I'm a bit confused.

By the way, I appreciate your comments as we hope to keep improving the software to meet concerns and the only way we can do that is by people criticizing it.

[kalius]

You mean to protect Article Depot from scrapers?


Yeah by looking at you're site your software isn't what a black hat will want anyway. (thats a good thing for you :) )


Now if you can do this it will be very good:

send the article as $_POST variables to an url , and I can customize the variables like
send title as $_post['title']
send body as $_post['b']

etc etc.

The custom html is good but this will be very good for dynamic sites (I think)

[JSource]

If a professional SEO told you you would be penalized for using syndicated content, I wouldn't use them as they don't actually know SEO. I don't think you understand how duplicate content (which syndicated articles don't need to be) affects sites

If you are that paranoid to linking out, you are int he wrong business. Linking out can actually help your SERPs in some cases and in most won't hurt you what so ever. If your main concern is you may lose the visitor, your site must be pretty bad itself

This is totally out of left field. I don't even understand this

I didn't come here for personal attacks but hey thats fine. Syndicated content is not what your site offers you offer articles that one can use. Syndicated content is RSS and thats not what your providing. I never said syndicated content could hurt, what I said is duplicated content like free articles (Not RSS Feeds).

Lets look at your site for example. I'll assume your going for these keywords since they are in your Title:
Free Articles
Article Database
Article Collections

You don't show up on google for any of those. And with over 23,000 pages you should be a lot higher then a PR3. But don't listen to me I'm a newbie. People should be more friendly... or maybe that was the reason for the second post.

[JSource]

You better go back to SEO 101. If you want an article with no link out pay for it.

If you want original content pay for it or write it yourself.

Syndicated articles are just another tool in the SEO toolbox.

BTW I would stop listening to the site/person that told you all that stuff.


Who said I wasn't willing to pay for original content? I just paid over $1k for original content, I'm a HUGE believer in original content.

I'm not talking about RSS feeds, look at my original post I commented on a free article site... We are talking about these free articles that are posted on hundreds of sites that are all the same. Not RSS Feeds.

Duplicate content is not always bad and will always exist in one way or the other. News websites are the best example of duplicate content. A good mix of duplicate content and original content is okay but once your site starts being more duplicate then original your in trouble.

[GeorgeB.]

Does a webmaster of a quality website want's this? I Would never publish an article in one of my websites that I haven't read, and that I haven't manually checked where the links go to.

I believe YS1 software might be a good move for him, but I don't see many people using it for good purposes.

YS1 you should read the black hat seo forums, blogs, etc to keep up to date since you have an article website, It could be helpfull for your bussiness.
I'd never use this on a quality site. Just as an experiment to see if I could build a full site based on these articles. It would be a throw away site. Nothing I'd invest a "considerable" amount of money and/or time into. If it works, great, if not, move on. Once things got rolling, I figure adding fresh articles once in a while should be nough to maintain the PR so i could use it for transferring PR and minimal traffic to related sites.

[kalius]

RSS is just a <b>form </b> of syndicated content.

Duplicate content is not always bad and will always exist in one way or the other. .

but you said:

Articles used on many websites will get you punished by google (under the duplicate content rule). This is not proven but almost every SEO guy believes in it. Free content also means you have to include backlinks to the writers site, this is also a bad thing in the SEO world. Those are the big downsides... Then you got the little things, like your pretty much promoting another site in exchange for the article (you could lose that visitor). Duplicate content cheapens your site, I’m not going to stick around if I see the same articles that are published all over the net.

Your not going to get traffic from this duplicated content, its as simple as that... So why even bother putting it on your site. The way I see it is it will hurt more then it will help.

If you hate duplicate content so much (or free articles etc) why you want to profit from it?

[yfs1]

Lets look at your site for example. I'll assume your going for these keywords since they are in your Title:
Free Articles
Article Database
Article Collections

You don't show up on google for any of those. And with over 23,000 pages you should be a lot higher then a PR3. But don't listen to me I'm a newbie. People should be more friendly... or maybe that was the reason for the second post.
Huh? Did you happen to look at the date I started the site. If I was able to rank 1st in Google and attain a PR7 within 2 months of creating a site, I would just be doing that.

Article Depot is a service site for webmasters...Remember those? I SEO for my visitors benefits not for the SEO as I am not about to ruin their experience for a quick ranking.

If it gets a high ranking from competetive keywords, so be it

When did I personally attack you? Since when is being a newbie an insult. I assumed you were a newbie because of the way you were reciting myths like they were a fact. If that insulted you, then I'm sorry

[yfs1]

I'd never use this on a quality site. Just as an experiment to see if I could build a full site based on these articles. It would be a throw away site. Nothing I'd invest a "considerable" amount of money and/or time into. If it works, great, if not, move on. Once things got rolling, I figure adding fresh articles once in a while should be nough to maintain the PR so i could use it for transferring PR and minimal traffic to related sites.
I think you are commenting without actually looking at the actual software. It isn't meant as a complete site builder. It is to help those already looking to supplement their unique content.

I doubt someone is going to use it to just create a junk site. It wouldn't be worth it. Instead it was developed to blend into an existing site and add value for your visitors.

If you want to just build crap sites to get pages indexed, ther are tons of black hat scripts out there for free. That isn't the market we are catering to.

[Padawan]

I'm looking for such a script, not such a website!Why not speak to our mutual friend, MJ ?

If you are looking for an easy way to add articles to your site, rather than "pulling" them from elsewhere, then he has put a similar concept on one of my sites and is beginning to work on something similar for another 3 sites as we speak :)

[kalius]

YS1: on your article stream pages the folowing links don't work:
at the bottom:
Last 50 Submitted | Contact Article Depot

and the top row the contact us link

[yfs1]

Why not speak to our mutual friend, MJ ?

If you are looking for an easy way to add articles to your site, rather than "pulling" them from elsewhere, then he has put a similar concept on one of my sites and is beginning to work on something similar for another 3 sites as we speak :)
Mind sharing what you are hinting at with the class :D

[kalius]

Mind sharing what you are hinting at with the class :D

It smells like a WJ in the making.

I don't think I will hold too much hope for a webmaster retaed site with so many broken links. I was nice and told him about this a few weeks ago and he haven't done anything.

[yfs1]

I'm not talking about RSS feeds, look at my original post I commented on a free article site... We are talking about these free articles that are posted on hundreds of sites that are all the same. Not RSS Feeds.
.
By the way, can you explain why recieving "duplicate" content through RSS is ideal while actual putting it on a html page incurs an SE penalty?

Both methods need to be used inteligently and just because something isn't delivered via RSS doesn't make it grounds for a penalty.

We also offer over 170 RSS feeds. Are those somehow "different" than cut and pasting code. No. Its just a delivery method.

[JSource]

By the way, can you explain why recieving "duplicate" content through RSS is ideal while actual putting it on a html page incurs an SE penalty?

Both methods need to be used inteligently and just because something isn't delivered via RSS doesn't make it grounds for a penalty.

We also offer over 170 RSS feeds. Are those somehow "different" than cut and pasting code. No. Its just a delivery method.

I didn't say it was ideal but thats not what I was taking about... 170 RSS feeds is not a good thing either. The difference with RSS feeds is its dynamic, its always changing. Static HTML pages stay the same forever and RSS feeds come and go. Unless you cache the RSS feeds forever which would not be a very good idea.

As for your site... it doesn't matter when you started it you have that many back links and your only a PR3 and you do not rank for any of your keywords. Sure you can say you did it on purpose for your fellow webmaster, but lets be honest that's not what happened. If that was the case you wouldn't have those keywords in your title, and you wouldn't have "free website content" in your signature (another keyword that doesn't rank).

I can't believe you think the duplicate content filter and punishment is a rumor.. Google it and see what you find. If anything your own site proves that. 49,000 link popularity and a PR3 with no ranking keywords. And i'm being called the newbie...

[JSource]

RSS is just a <b>form </b> of syndicated content.



but you said:



If you hate duplicate content so much (or free articles etc) why you want to profit from it?

RSS is dynamic it comes and goes and its not static thats a big difference.

As for me trying to profit from duplicate content... I have no idea where you came up with that idea. Please read the posts again.

[JSource]

We also offer over 170 RSS feeds. Are those somehow "different" than cut and pasting code. No. Its just a delivery method.

Just to answer this... RSS feeds are meant to be updated they come and go. If the RSS feeds you offer are constantly changing and sites using them purge the old data that's fine. Why do you think all those Amazon affiliate sites took a hit this year? Duplicate RSS content....

[yfs1]

I didn't say it was ideal but thats not what I was taking about... 170 RSS feeds is not a good thing either.
hmmm...Offering my visitors their choice of relevant feeds is a negative...Thats a new one

As for your site... it doesn't matter when you started it you have that many back links and your only a PR3 and you do not rank for any of your keywords. Sure you can say you did it on purpose for your fellow webmaster, but lets be honest that's not what happened. If that was the case you wouldn't have those keywords in your title, and you wouldn't have "free website content" in your signature (another keyword that doesn't rank).


I can't believe you think the duplicate content filter and punishment is a rumor.. Google it and see what you find. If anything your own site proves that. 49,000 link popularity and a PR3 with no ranking keywords. And i'm being called the newbie...

I think I now know who you are. Those two quotes give you away...Get lost and stop following me around. Don't you have something better to do with your time?

[JSource]

You commented on my post you weirdo.. anyway, to each his own. Now i'm a newbie stalker

[yfs1]

you weirdo
That I will agree with. I am weird

Now we can hug and make up ;)

[JSource]

Finally we can agree :)