$1Million a Year from a ClickBank Site?

[5starAffiliates]

From the 5 Star Blog:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7523872754&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
eBay Auction: Huge Profitable Clickbank Website. Sold for $379K.
The auction headline states: Profits $55k/mo. Over $1 Million in Sales. Real Proof.

Interesting that someone would sell a site making $1 million a year, in an auction for 379K. But the commission stats and Adsense stats look real. Looks like this guy had some type of unique angle to create this much revenue. May want to take a peak at the auction and stats while it's still up, to see if you can get any new ideas from the info.

"This is your chance to own one of the most successful Clickbank websites in the world. The site is strictly an affiliate site, promoting many Clickbank products, earning revenue on commissions. Since the site's "inception" on 9/1/04, it has generated over $1,000,000 in sales of Clickbank products. And over $500,000 in profit... The beauty of the site is that all revenue is brought in from advertising via PPC (pay-per-click) ads on various search engines. While the site is extremely simple in design, the PPC ads and the site text are both very creative, and you have probably never seen anything like them before. I've left the PPC ads relatively the same throughout the life of the site. Its pretty much been on auto-pilot the whole time. The site also earns $3k/month from Google Adsense ads, and an additional $10k-$15k/month from Paypal orders..."

What do you think? Got any ideas about this guys unique angle for generating this much income?

[RectangleMan]

Yeah but how much does he pay out for advertising himself??

[chachi]

It is all in the auction

[T0PS3O]

Since the site's "inception" on 9/1/04, it has generated over $1,000,000 in sales of Clickbank products.

I also generated tens of grands in 'Amazon products'. Only got a couple percent commission out of it though. All depends on how you word it.

Now I'll go to the actual auction and read it... Let's see whether he actually made 1m or whether he refered to sites resulting them in 1m sales.

[chachi]

Go to the auction you guys. All of his checks, bank statements, adsense reports, etc is all there. Now there is no way of knowing if they are all accurate and real at this point, but there is a lot of info in the auction.

[T0PS3O]

Well it all seems legit.

Question is, what are the 'techniques' he refers to he's using (or she). Sounds to me like it could be banned any moment.

If it's just PPC 'tricks', it certainly has potential.

[chachi]

It didn't sound like it could be banned to me and I pretty much read the whole thing along with the questions he answered from people. PPC arbitrage is big business if you know what you are doing and have the sack to put up some $$. Maybe we should buy it TOPS :)

[T0PS3O]

In the end you're only building other people's business, even if you own this site. You're handing sales over to others.

We all know Google's manual index cleaning and about thin affiliates. Sounds like a lot of investment necessary to make the income future proof.

With a 380 grand investment I can think of better ways to secure 55K profit a month.

[chachi]

It is a PPC play...no organic search so G's algo or any other SE's algo is irrelevant. You did read the auction right? :)

Cash flow is cash flow, I don't mind if I am making someone else money...you can say that for just about any "business". Unless you grow/mine the materials, manufacture the product and retail it your self, you are "building someone else's business" to some degree aren't you? Last guy I heard that tried that one was Henry Ford, but they don't even do that anymore. So, it sounds like you don't want to buy it. :)

[T0PS3O]

Yes, I read every word of the auction.

Indeed, I don't want to buy it. It's not an interesting business model to me.

The only positive in it is 'invest $1 in PPC, get $2 back'. That's a no-brainer. But it doesn't lead to anything you can float or sell for a lot of money.

[mopacfan]

It takes money to make money... Anyone wanna loan me half a mil? :p

[marcel]

It's not easy to find that website link...

[Uban]

Don't be so sure ;)

[Kalev]

Who will be the first one to find this site???

Honour and fame to him...

[Uban]

Who would have the dumb sense to post it if they did?

[lorien1973]

It doesnt jive. if you make 55k in profits each month, then your annual revenue is about 600k. 3x that is 1.8million. If the site is only being sold for 380k, something is not kosher here. Not saying its not good. Just odd that the buy now price would be so low. He says he needs immediate capital. For the 380k, just wait 6 months, you'll get it. Based on those numbers, bank financing would be a piece of cake. Loan would be a no brainer. Maybe I'm not getting it.

[Uban]

I too had a similar question and it does make me skeptical. But, how would this seller produce snapshots like they have? I haven't seen them anywhere else....

[chachi]

A bank is not going to give him the money for an income stream that is so new. As the price goes up, the number of potential buyers probably goes down. I think this number is actually in a gray area. Bigger than the vast majority of small people can afford (cash to buy) and smaller than most of the companies that have cash to buy something would even consider looking at. Sometimes people need money fast, that is why there are "private money" lenders aka hard money lenders that make a lot of cash. Many times time is of the essence. Not trying to defend this person, I just don't think that it does not sound kosher. Plus, we all know even if this thing is 100% legit, there are a lot of things that can change quickly on this here internet thing.

[Cyclops]

It's pretty simple to me...he sells it for 380k but has another similar site already up and running...his income stays the same and he has 380k in his back pocket for another venture, probably unrelated to the internet.

It's best to place your eggs in different baskets. Spread the risk, what works today may not work tomorrow and that applies to internet marketing more than any other area I can think of.
I have income streams from four unrelated areas. My main business is sharetrading but again I diversify by trading shares in different sectors.

[Uban]

I noticed the other similar site...but he has it pulling up for only about 1/2 as much as the other. I wonder if the buyer knows this...

[MarketingPro]

Try googling the email addy "KellyandSummer" - things start comming together. nuff said.

Ron.

[Uban]

Once I found a site I suspected, I went through his ebay history and did a who is on one of his new sites. The KellyandSummer email was there as well as on the whois of the site I suspected. Although he registered the site sold via private by proxy, it still show's who is hosting it and he mentioned that in the ebay ad.

So, I've confirmed it by email, hosting, and registrar plus a few other clues.

[fryman]

and the url is...?

[Uban]

Let me quote myself from an earlier statement...

Who would have the dumb sense to post it if they did?

:)

[fryman]

What's the secret? Is it your site?

[Uban]

Oh no, it's not my site. But...I have direction - So why would I want anyone else trying to do what I'm trying? I've always been intending to do a similar site and now I've started because the success story was motivating....the key will be getting the amount of keywords needed activated. I hate Google's "On Hold" shit and am looking forward to when they update their system and it goes away.

[fryman]

BS... I'm at class right now, as soon as I finish I'll find out the site's url and post it for everyone to check out. I'm not a selfish geek... ;)

[Uban]

Don't let the dance fool ya ;)

You're loss if you do...especially after all that investigation work - you go get 'em tiger :)

[TommyD]

Me,

I just looked at the properties of the images in the ebay ad. Uban, am I warm?

later,

tom

[Uban]

Good start...I did that too. I basically reduced a few factors as far as what products they would have likely promoted if it were clickbank.

Then I did some whois searches on some sites that always seemed to pull up on keywords for those products. Here's the hint: Although the whois is private, it still shows the hosting company and the kellyandsummer email which were both disclosed in the ebay auction description.

[Uban]

But, you can find out what site it is, you still have to be a good PPC wizard to do NEARLY as well as they do. I've seen plenty of other sites like theirs that have come and gone.

[TommyD]

uban,

you aren't suggesting it's the credit site, are you? It has no PR.

tom


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edit: Or the drug place that has PR.

[MarketingPro]

It would seem that "KellyandSummer" are actually two women. If you google the email addy you will find many links to forums that they've posted in. In one such forum they are refered to as "two women making $1,000's per day using PPC's", as well as many useful clues as to what their sites are. In one forum they specificaly mention what they are up to.
Ron.

[Solicitors Mortgages]

Hosting is just $60/year

is that like no traffic?...or no content?

[YoungSmeagol]

From the 5 Star Blog:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7523872754&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
eBay Auction: Huge Profitable Clickbank Website. Sold for $379K.
The auction headline states: Profits $55k/mo. Over $1 Million in Sales. Real Proof.

Interesting that someone would sell a site making $1 million a year, in an auction for 379K. But the commission stats and Adsense stats look real. Looks like this guy had some type of unique angle to create this much revenue. May want to take a peak at the auction and stats while it's still up, to see if you can get any new ideas from the info.

"This is your chance to own one of the most successful Clickbank websites in the world. The site is strictly an affiliate site, promoting many Clickbank products, earning revenue on commissions. Since the site's "inception" on 9/1/04, it has generated over $1,000,000 in sales of Clickbank products. And over $500,000 in profit... The beauty of the site is that all revenue is brought in from advertising via PPC (pay-per-click) ads on various search engines. While the site is extremely simple in design, the PPC ads and the site text are both very creative, and you have probably never seen anything like them before. I've left the PPC ads relatively the same throughout the life of the site. Its pretty much been on auto-pilot the whole time. The site also earns $3k/month from Google Adsense ads, and an additional $10k-$15k/month from Paypal orders..."

What do you think? Got any ideas about this guys unique angle for generating this much income?


And I was just about to ask was PPC worth it for an affiliate site. I guess I got my answer. Thanks.

kellyandsummer at web-masterworld in 2003 (http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum20/4547.htm)
Kellyandsummer webmaster world profile (http://www.webmasterworld.com/vewprofile.cgi?action=view&member=kellyandsummer)
I don't know if it is the same person but more than likely it is.

My best guess is this site:
http://www.thehostingchart.com/?igojo=1&mej=406 Its atleast one of their sites if not the one they are selling. The whois information is hidden.

[Uban]

uban,

you aren't suggesting it's the credit site, are you? It has no PR.

tom


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edit: Or the drug place that has PR.

Not sure what your referring too. It so happens that their clickbank ID is credit.

:eek:

Did I just say that out loud?

Hell, I even found out the company that bought the site. :)

[holyearth]

Youngsmeagol is correct, http://www.thehostingchart.com

I feel bad for the buyer......

Take a look at some things.........

google "web hosting" you'll see thehostingchart....
google "hosting" you'll see thehostingchart...
google other similar "website hosting" words and you'll see thehostingchart....

-however-

you'll also notice hostingreviewed.com.....


FROM THE SOURCECODE OF THEHOSTINGCHART.COM.....
<!-- BEGIN HumanTag Monitor. DO NOT MOVE! MUST BE PLACED JUST BEFORE THE /BODY TAG -->

<script language='javascript' src='https://server.iad.liveperson.net/hc/46950671/x.js?cmd=file&file=chatScript3&site=46950671&category=en;woman;2'></script>
<!-- END HumanTag Monitor. DO NOT MOVE! MUST BE PLACED JUST BEFORE THE /BODY TAG -->


FROM THE SOURCE CODE OF HOSTINGREVIEWED.COM.....
<!-- BEGIN HumanTag Monitor. DO NOT MOVE! MUST BE PLACED JUST BEFORE THE /BODY TAG -->
<script language='javascript' src='https://server.iad.liveperson.net/hc/46950671/x.js?cmd=file&file=chatScript3&site=46950671&category=en;woman;2'></script>
<!-- END HumanTag Monitor. DO NOT MOVE! MUST BE PLACED JUST BEFORE THE /BODY TAG -->
<body background="images/background.gif">

NOTICE THE OTHER SIMILARITIES IN THE SOURCE CODE...

These days a non-compete in business means nothing...

"Yes I signed the non-compete, but that doesn't prohibit my uncle from doing it..."

For those that don't get it......it is my *opinion* that the site was sold to a poor buyer only to have the seller continue the business under another name....*maybe*? I mean the other site is WAY too similar :-)

[Uban]

I don't believe that's the site. They sell more than just 1 clickbank product/service.

[Shoemoney]

wow... whats funny is I know who this person is.... amazingly enough I started looking for affiliates/advertising the same time they did and we swaped emails and talked back and fourth since last fall...

They are doing TONS of traffic but I cant speak 1st hand for any of there profits.

KellyandSummer really does give it away. Its not that hard to find him. He uses the same handle on many messageboards.

[holyearth]

kellyandsummer = two ladies -- young ladies...

not a "him"

and i -still- think it's top 10 web hosting review.......

[mjewel]

The hosting sites are not the same as the one that was for sale on ebay. Those hosting sites are theirs. I don't know how the hosting sites are doing currently, but initially they were not having near the success as the site listed on ebay.

[Shoemoney]

kellyandsummer = two ladies -- young ladies...

not a "him"

and i -still- think it's top 10 web hosting review.......

lol if you say so... they have a very manly name if its 2 young girls.

I asked him why he went by 2 young girls and he said it was cause he got all kinds of geeks to write free code for him. Maybe he lied to me =P

[chachi]

sounds like holyearth was one of them ;)

[Uban]

He/She...whatever. No offense, but the auction sounded like a guy. Must be my bat senses.

Someone is close...it is a review site. :)

[holyearth]

I can't code anything lol.....

well it could be a guy :o:

so what kind of review site is it? Why not let the cat out of the bag?

[Uban]

I won't give the URL just out of respect, but what they do is NO secret. Just a review site on Paid Survey's, Gov Auctions, Work From Home, etc. It's cheap and ugly looking.

There are hundreds of these sites and used for all types of products besides what I just listed. The owner of this site is just REALLY good at generating traffic by optimizing his/her's ad's and having a shit load of keywords at just the right price. I'm sure they're like me, and track every cpc, conversion and over all cpa in order to maintain a working ingredient.

Trust me, you don't need to see the site. ANY site could look better. But if you do a review site, keep it simple. Get a huge amount of keywords, don't spend too much or less, and track your ROI. Shit - it all boils down to doing WORK ;)

[holyearth]

uban,

the site is VERY ugly looking :-)

thanks :-) :wink:

[Uban]

He he. Is that the dead give away? :)

Seriously though, it takes a lot of work and perseverance to pull off a successful review site. I would not let this mirage side track you from any current work you are doing. A clickbank review site has always been on my checklist of things to do. I'm not going to jump ahead of what's making me successful right now just because of someone elses hard work paying off. Stay on course is my motto :)

[Jiraiya]

i saw a few sites and they look REALLY ugly. I am pretty sure it is owned by k&s. Ugly sites always amazes me because people still spend time reading the content and clicking on ads. I usually look at them and first thing that pop into my head is spam.

[MarketingPro]

Scott welch is wicked smart! AKA - KellyandSummer.

[kc3]

If it makes over a million a year, why would he sell it for almost $400,000 rather than save that or keep it to be able to keep making more money? I think he'd be pretty stupid to sell it.

[chachi]

There is something called the time value of money. With something as volatile as this, I think 400K is actually a pretty good price (if you are the seller) to be honest. A better way to say it might be, "one in hand is better than two in the bush." At least that is what my mother told me.

[kc3]

That depends on how much the seller makes, and what else their doing. If that was either my primary website or one of few websites. I'd either keep it or raise the price.

[holyearth]

You know what guys,

how much u wanna bet that this dude scott welch, knew what was gonna happen to the Adwords PPC program and dumped it ahead of time for that reason..............

As of today, keywords that were "inactive" can now be made "active" by paying A LOT MORE per CLICK...in other words, most PPC costs in Adwords are rising...

Maybe he won't net 55k a month anymore? More like 15k LOL

[lorien1973]

You can control adwords costs though. Even if you reduce the 55k to like 30k, you are getting it for a steal, thats why it makes no sense.

[revpartner]

for those of you whom would like to know how he did it just goto
title url

[fryman]

Stupid spammers

[revpartner]

not sure why your saying this is spam as MANY users showed interest in how he did this and the url I posted in the title of my post gives this exact info.

[Uban]

Man, you are a stupid jerk...I mean rich jerk.

I hate people like you that do the same thing in my diet pills forum.

Buuuutttt....$97 is better than $379k....

[holyearth]

wow i just saw that therichjerk.com

wow!!

[holyearth]

u guys want to chip in and buy the ebook?

is it worth it?

[fryman]

not sure why your saying this is spam
Maybe because you are so lame that you are using a redirect to hide your affiliate link to some crappy program from Clickbank??

[revpartner]

Sorry if my "crappy program from clickbank" as noted in the above url is the ebook from the person who sold his clickbank site for 379k on ebay... telling how he did it.

[fryman]

And instead of posting just the url http://www.therichjerk.com you need to do a redirect and put your affiliate link in it? Maybe expecting someone here to buy that junk and you can earn a comission? Nice first post...

[TommyD]

telling how he did it.

and still posting the url
And adding redirects
and adding affiliate code
and not catching a clue to drop it and move on.

:(

[revpartner]

Sorry if I posted my affiliate link as I did provide GOOD info people were interested in. As such, I do expect people to click on the affiliate link I provided and make some $ for the information I shared.
Unfortunitaly, this is how the web works and why I make ALOT more money than you ever will online. So you can just get off your high horse and let people who are interested in this info go to the link I provided. Rather than sit here all day and bash people and never EVER provider any useful information.

[e10]

I already said this in another thread somewhere but if you want to provide an affy link, provide a clean one too. Especially in a forum for webmasters. Many will appreciate the gesture and click on the affy. But ... if you only provide an affiliate link, you will be seen as a spammer and your link will be ignored. It's easy enough to strip off the ID stuff and find the info without putting money in a spammer's pocket.

[Mia]

not sure why your saying this is spam as MANY users showed interest in how he did this and the url I posted in the title of my post gives this exact info.

Because what you have done is use an affiliate link in you post, which is not allowed on this forum, if I remember correctly. I think you know that. That's why you posted the link again ;)

[Mia]

It's pretty obvious Revpartner and Holyearth are one in the same. The only place you've posted is here. Way to pump the site. Shameless self promotion makes money.

[holyearth]

One in the same? Have a mod check all my ip's from logging/posting here and you'll know we're not the same.

I regret your assumption.

[Mia]

yes and "I'm a Schizophrenia, and so am I."

[heapseo]

Just out of interest, has anyone here actually bought the ebook? (That will admit it anyway :D )

[MarketingPro]

for those of you whom would like to know how he did it just goto
title url

What makes you think the publisher of "TheRichJerk" ebook is the same person who sold the ClickBank website for $379K? I see that in his "proof of revenue" page he has a snapshot of the ebay listing for the $379K ClickBank site ...but anyone can copy and paste that in an ad.

Ron.

[Uban]

Just out of interest, has anyone here actually bought the ebook? (That will admit it anyway :D )

Hey, I have two rocks I found that swear they know how to make at least $2000 a day. They shared the information and now I know how to make at least $2000/day and I'm living the dream. I'll tell you EXACTLY how I and the two rocks are doing it if you send me $79.95 via paypal. Why am I selling information which could ultimately lead to saturating the niche I have learned from these two rocks? Forget I said that. So act now. If you puchase before this date;
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and I'll include nude pictures of the two rocks.

Seriously....buy my ebook. Why? Because I'm a rich jerk.

[Willy]

Hey, I have two rocks I found that swear they know how to make at least $2000 a day. They shared the information and now I know how to make at least $2000/day and I'm living the dream. I'll tell you EXACTLY how I and the two rocks are doing it if you send me $79.95 via paypal...

Sounds awfully complex; why not just sell these amazing rocks themselves, and make a fortune. Oh, wait, somebody did that already... (http://www.virtualpet.com/vp/farm/petrock/petrock.htm) :rolleyes:

[Uban]

These rocks I found told me about those pet rocks....apparantly stole their idea. They have images of them ACTUALLY stealing their idea in my ebook. $79.95.....

[Uban]

.......fine....$69.95

[heapseo]

Hey, I have two rocks I found that swear they know how to make at least $2000 a day. They shared the information and now I know how to make at least $2000/day and I'm living the dream. I'll tell you EXACTLY how I and the two rocks are doing it if you send me $79.95 via paypal. Why am I selling information which could ultimately lead to saturating the niche I have learned from these two rocks? Forget I said that. So act now. If you puchase before this date;
<!--Insert Time Code Here for SUCKERS-->
function getDateStrWithDOW(){
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and I'll include nude pictures of the two rocks.

Seriously....buy my ebook. Why? Because I'm a rich jerk.

LOL! I wonder how much more offensive names he has been called than a rich Jerk?

In my opinion, anyone who is dumb enoughto buy his or any other 'get rich quick' ebook is too dumb to do anything about it to make any money anyway!

[MattL]

"Mischievous little cat's" aren't they ;-)

[Googles76]

Now he offers a money back gurantee. Is that for real or just a scam?

[Ethiccash]

As this is an e-book sold via clickbank you have the refund guarantee. Anyway, although the sales copy may be disturbing, thay are a lot of interesting points in this book : it's everything but a get rich quick scheme.
I think that it's a smart marketer, you just have to search for "The rich Jerk" in google to see how many ads and links he has...in just a few weeks, and with just an e-book in a highly competitive field...

[YoungSmeagol]

http://goldblogger.com/wordpress/archives/you-rich-jerk/

This guy says his name is Kelly Fenix.

[swoop]

Sorry to resurrect an ancient thread, but I have a question that isn't answered:

In message #56, at 2:41 PM, revpartner posted a TinyURL redirect to a website that was selling an ebook.

One minute later, at 2:42, fryman posted an ambiguous message.

By message #62, at 3:27 PM, fryman knew that the tinyurl was a redirect with a hidden affiliate link. The destination page does not visibly show the affiliate link.

My question is: How did fryman know there was an aff link?

Thank you!

[jabb]

There would be no reason for him to use tinyurl otherwise.

[moneyonlineideas]

The KellyandSummer auction shouldnt be a surprise. There are a lot of people making a million bucks a year thru clickbank

[Connections]

this guy is also selling GuessWhatiHeard.com for 49k lol he sadi he has invested 300k into the site and it seems to have some good promo shots...
hmmmm

[seojerk]

isnt that guy The infamous Rich Jerk?

[stinkingrich]

he is the same person

[Andrew-Scott-Music]

I think Cyclops is closest to the mark.
He sells the site to you for
$380K but doesn't promise not to clone it several times - for himself or for others.
It reminds me of the resale rights to an ebook. As soon as everyone has the right to distribute it, the income is spread between many sellers and the value drops like a stone.

[dog_24]

Well, this is the site sold by the guy today known as Rich Jerk, he became famous because of selling that site for that much.

[rossdalangin]

That's not interesting for me. It's kind of a joke. :)

[Adeel-Chowdhry]

Isn't kellyandsummer the rich jerk?

[renoir]

from the auction:
the PPC ads and the site text are both very creative, and you have probably never seen anything like them before.

Its like an internet rorschach test - everyone sees something different!

[Adeel-Chowdhry]

isnt that guy The infamous Rich Jerk?


That's exactly what I said.

It is the Rich Jerk.

[mike42]

It's pretty simple to me...he sells it for 380k but has another similar site already up and running...his income stays the same and he has 380k in his back pocket for another venture, probably unrelated to the internet.

This has to be it. It makes sense to me. Sell your proven, functioning site. Profit. And repeat what you did previously. He'll be ahead of the game anyway. And for all we know, he has 10 of these million dollar sites up and running already.

[wounded1987]

if the profit from the websites is more then 1 milion $, so why he sells them?
and if not...why would anyone buy it? or maybe making this websites for him is no problem at all, much more easier then profiting from the website it self

[shah2k]

i think he sold it to himself or a friend or something.. ebay does not check if the transaction actually went thru or not.

[baumann93]

i think he sold it to himself or a friend or something.. ebay does not check if the transaction actually went thru or not.

Why would anyone want to pay commissions to eBay :) and especially from this huge sum? This would not make any sense to me.

[reapr]

Does anyone have the actual URL of the auctioned site to post here? Or did I miss it in the thread.

[shah2k]

Why would anyone want to pay commissions to eBay :) and especially from this huge sum? This would not make any sense to me.


do you see how much money he made off that?

he probably paid couple of thousand to ebay..but thats what marketing is about..