SiteAmount - What does your site amount to

[Linkbait]

I have started a new site that gives web site appraisals based on search engine information.

The site is: SiteAmount.com (http://siteamount.com/)

check it out and tell me what you think. I am looking for feedback.

Thanks.

[Tearabite]

It says that Google is only worth $232,877,140
and Digital Point is worth: $173,620
and it took a long time to process.. i thought it was broke because it took so long.
Also, your "information" and "algo" links dont work..

Great idea, but still needs some tweaking. If it was faster, and if I knew I could trust the amounts i would use it a lot.

[Linkbait]

Thats why I am asking for feedback. The links at the bottom are out for a reason right now.

Keeping in mind that this bases the price ONLY off search engine information. Traffic and revenue are not factors right now.


i thought it was broke because it took so long.
Great idea, but still needs some tweaking. If it was faster, and if I knew I could trust the amounts i would use it a lot.

The script processes all of the information from th search engine, strips the data it needs, and then displays it. When its under heavy load it does go slow. I am looking for ways to speed it up.

As for it being on target with price, when the revenue and traffic information is worked into the system, I think it will be much more accurate. I just wanted to get some feedback for how it's working so far.

[Tearabite]

Ok.. then so far so good!
I'm curious to see your algo ..

[MrMoolah.com]

I like the simple yet good looking design. I love the service, even though I'm not a big believer of appraisals. How accurate I couldn't say, but if nothing else it gives some good details, and it is fun to use! you may want to try and speed it up, or putting a progress bar on the site so people know that its actually working.

[Tearabite]

Yah, progress bar is a good idea..

[Hideip.co.uk]

takes 2 long !!! please add bar .

[Xplicit]

Thats a really good idea, Might have to try it out.

Good job

[Linkbait]

Thanks for all the really good feedback guys. (Sorry i cant show my algo though :P).

I will try and work in a progress bar... it might take a while though because I have never done one before.

I tried a bunch of site that where in the selling thread and for smaller sites this tool is actually pretty accurate. Its when you get to those really big sites (Google for ex.) that things get hairy because theres no way to value a site like that lol.

I looked through my logs at some of the sites people where putting in (cuz im cool and I track stuff like that :p) and a few where off... I will probably take the site off line later tonight and make some changes. I know I will be adding some Alexa stuff to it to try and create a better value.


I am also thiking about adding a little thing at the bottom that shows how sites have been tracked and other stats... Do you guys think that would be a good idea?

[sketch]

It is a cool idea and a nice site, but ya, the values are off. I entered my personal website and got a value of over $4,000, lol ... I'd be lucky to get a tenth of that. Then I tried my highest earning site and got almost $130,000, which is probably around 20x what I could actually sell it for.

Maybe if you shared some of your algo we could help tweak it :D

[Linkbait]

@ Sketch

What sites did you enter?

Also please tell me what values you got. I will take them into considerations when I do the next batch of algo updates :)

Thanks.

[SKULL]

I tryed it on a few of my sites i got a value of $1,706 for GodsofWarfare.net and a value or $7,326 for Gow-solutions.net , $328 for chipstacked.com i have to agree the value is way of but good idea hope it works better when its tweaked more.

[Phynder]

I will try and work in a progress bar... it might take a while though because I have never done one before.

I imagine you are making a lot of queries to feed into the algorithm. After reading the thread, I was surprised how quick it actually was - perhaps I was lucky?

If your next step is Alexa, you might be interested in looking at http://www.quantcast.com/ and http://www.compete.com/ as alternatives or additions - they both hope to replace Alexa.

Oh - and on the algorithm side - I certainly understand you not exposing it. Are you looking to potentially sell scores in bulk as a service?

[Linkbait]

@Phynder

Sometimes its fast for some... Sometimes its not. I think I have pinpointed it down to the Altavista and Alltheweb quries which I will play with later.

As for those other two sites. I am defiantly looking into them.

Selling bulk scores is in the future of the site. Right now I am looking for a solid algo and ways to evaluate certain things in a site. It kind of sucks not being able to ask certain things because you dont want your ideas spreading wild lol.

[Linkbait]

@Skull

I did a quick run through of another algo and got $430 for GodsofWarfare.net

Would that be a lot closer to the sites value you think?

[Phynder]

It kind of sucks not being able to ask certain things because you dont want your ideas spreading wild lol.

That is a balance we ALL are faced with, but that is also why any project like this requires constant improvement and evolution - else others will over take you.

One critique - it is very difficult to put a price on a site without consideration for revenue. I understand the direction you are trying to go, but ultimately - two sites that have the exact same PR, number of indexed pages and traffic will not have equal values if one site makes significant revenue and the other has zero.

[Linkbait]

Well thats why I added that little note about revenue to the bottom like 15 mins ago when I thought the same thing.

I am thinking of adding the 12x revenue option displayed under the other total... 12x is still the model that most use still right?


Another idea: If you evaluate your site and you think it is way off, please post your sites url, and what you think it should be worth.
Thanks.

[Phynder]

I am thinking of adding the 12x revenue option displayed under the other total... 12x is still the model that most use still right?

I think 12x monthly revenue is generally accepted. Of course that depends - if you are a buyer you hope for 6x and seller you hope for 24x :)

[Linkbait]

Well then maby Ill just have to add all three :)

[weeman212]

That is one sexy design :) I really like it, plus the site wasnt slow for me, but then my site has no SE results...

[Linkbait]

Well, I just made a few design adjustments and I think I know why its going so slow.

I have hosting with 2 diff companies and siteamount seems to be slowed down by my host. Queries go through much faster on the other server but I don't have any domain space. Later I might swap them around.

[AZhitman]

Cool tool.

$33K for our main domain, and $3K-$7K for each of our other 30 domains, but of course that can't take into account our annual take for advertising...

Still, a neat source to check links and whatnot.

[Linkbait]

I have put together a good list of updates that I will be putting in place tonight.


Without all the feedback it would not be possible :)

[Linkbait]

Update | As of 11:43 EST


Okay, so I just put up the changes and everything is live. I did some tweaking with the algorithm and introduced the use of revenue models to the formula.

I did not get around to adding a progress bar tonight because I did not have any time. I spent most of it working on ideas to gather Alexa information but it seems that they now charge to sue their APIs and have made it very hard to strip data.

Test it out and tell me what you think. I made a lot of new variables within the algo and it seems to be a lot closer than it was before.

Let me know,
Thanks.


BTW: Since I started this thread there have been over 100 sites run through the system. This gave me a great amount of knowledge to work with.

[bochgoch]

Estimates seems more accurate today...keep going with it, nice tool.

[goscript]

What i like at this site is the IDEA. Haven't seen this before. Nice.

[Linkbait]

Thanks, im hoping some of those from yesterday try it again and see if its accurate this time around.

[Phynder]

What i like at this site is the IDEA. Haven't seen this before. Nice.

Ideas are nice. Implementation is gold. Luckily, he is taking the feedback and making improvements at a good pace.

[gift-online]

can you explain to newcomer what is the Monthly Revenue and how can I estimate it?
thanks

[Linkbait]

What you would do is take revenue you earned for 3 or 4 months, add it together, and then divide it by the amount of months you used.

This gives you a good base average for your monthly income on the site.

[softwareprojects]

Good start, keep it up

Try to factor media mentions and give them a higher weight

[sketch]

Estimates are much, much more accurate now, and good on you on showing different revenue models (not sure that's the right term, tho ;) ).

One thing you might want to consider is adding another user field, "Site Subject". When I ran my personal site, I got $118, which I believe is close (maybe just a TINY bit over). But I'm sure if a site with the same stats and revenue but about, say, sports would be worth a little more.

[Linkbait]

I was actually thinking about that last night. I am working in DMOZ, yahoo directory, Technorati and Digg information as we speak.

Its just a pain compiling all of the queries. I have it going as fast as possible but my host's servers just suck. They say they are using HP Dual Core servers with 4 gig of ram but even uploading via FTP is slow. My other host was much faster and they only ran 2 GBs of ram. I wish I had enough money to buy my own, then I would really be able to open this site up.

@Sketch
Thats a good idea. I will defiantly put some thought into that. I will see if I can come up with an equation to place value on certain types of sites.

[Phynder]

My other host was much faster and they only ran 2 GBs of ram. I wish I had enough money to buy my own, then I would really be able to open this site up.

Do you need anything outside the "standard" LAMP configuration (Linux - Apache - MySQL - PHP)? PM me if you don't want to post it in the clear. Or don't PM me if you don't want me to know either :)

[ScottyTee]

veryyyyyy slow...

[Linkbait]

@Phynder

It does use standard LAMP but if I was going to change to a private server it would only be mine :)

Wouldn't want to give anyone else access to the files now would we ;)

[Phynder]

@Phynder

It does use standard LAMP but if I was going to change to a private server it would only be mine :)

Wouldn't want to give anyone else access to the files now would we ;)

A private server would be best - although I expect some of the queries are going to be slow not matter how good the server is - since you will be waiting on the search engines' servers to respond. Before spending the money on a private server, take a look at the response time of your queries.

[Linkbait]

I have the same scripts on my other server, the page loads with all data in less than 5 seconds and this is WITH multiple queries. The problem is my other host will not let me run the script public because it does require a lot of memory.

I have a few ideas though... Ill share more when I know what im going to do.
Thanks for the offer though.

[shadav]

nice idea not sure why it doesn't list any backlinks because i know for a fact that my site is listed on a few other sites....
and it's a lot better then an appraisal site i used a few days ago lmfao that said my site was worth ** US$980** lolol

your site says it's worth $95 lol yeah i doubt i'd get that but whatever :D makes me feel special hehehe

in the link popularity it says Google Not Available....my site is indexed by google

i like the simplicity....it did take a while, and had i not read this thread i would've thought it was broken as well....

[Linkbait]

For those links that say not Available, click the engine to the left and it will bring you to the page.

As for not having back links, if theres no backlinks theres no backlinks. The requests are all sent live. Maby the pages you have links on just havent been updated yet in the engine to show your links.

[Phynder]

As for not having back links, if theres no backlinks theres no backlinks. The requests are all sent live. Maby the pages you have links on just havent been updated yet in the engine to show your links.

Well, remember Google only publishes some (seemingly) random sampling of backlinks. I forgot to mention that would be a major flaw in any algorithm you are writing if you put any emphasis on backlinks reported by Google. Only use the backlink counts from Yahoo or MSN. The counts from Google are meant to confuse, not inform webmasters.

[Linkbait]

Yup I know that, but for the most part Google is normally right on. And I came up with a way to speed up the site.

I am thinking about doing sponsorship links or something that I could sell for a higher price that will be permanent.

Would anyone go for such a link to help buy a server?

[Phynder]

Yup I know that, but for the most part Google is normally right on.

NO! Google is never correct - never. Show me a site that where Google represents backlinks correctly.

[Linkbait]

pbkill.com - my old photoshop site that i sold a year ago

but i do understand what your saying.

While the baclinks do play a value in the algo, there are some if statements involved if there are no backlinks to do some further checks.

[Phynder]

pbkill.com - my old photoshop site that i sold a year ago

but i do understand what your saying.

While the baclinks do play a value in the algo, there are some if statements involved if there are no backlinks to do some further checks.

Well, I would not use Google at all, but it is your algorithm.

Google shows 683 backlinks for my site - www.deepmarket.com - yahoo shows 41,861. How is that even close?

For pbkill.com Google shows 25 backlinks - yahoo shows 993.

[Linkbait]

Its all taken into account, dont worry.

[Linkbait]

I am going to sell a site for cheap to make room on my other host so I can transfer siteamount over and hopefully speed it up.

Check the sales thread here (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=2095243)


Thanks for the support.

[d16man]

not a bad site...I will keep it in mind if I ever need to sell..

[Linkbait]

A big update today.

I just put v2.0 out on the server. There has been a lot of changes made this time around including the addition of Digg links :)

You can see the full list of changes here (http://siteamount.com/changelog.html)


I need some more input from you guys...
Thanks.

http://www.siteamount.com

[shieldsty]

I like the concept... however there are way to many factors in the worth of a site to actually calculate with a computorized formula. Revenue is the most important and I got a sell value of 1/6th of my monthly revenue.

[Linkbait]

Then you must have done something wrong because it can not be 1/6 your monthly revenue if the revenue is directly applied to the selling estimate?

[d16man]

I really like the changes...I checked two sites that I have sold, and it was pretty close...with all that room on the bottom, you could easily open up to some advertisers...let me know if you do, I am interested.

[Linkbait]

I have been thinking about doing it... Just have not got around to it.

PM sent.