Updated Adsense TOS / UI

[Kiasuman]

A few "modified" policies and nice GUI :)

Looks more user friendly.

But kinda prefer the old reports page.

[kdb003]

im not seeing anything different...

[tom22]

Ah, very nice. I really like how they show top channels.

[Worldwid]

I get to see the reports still, doesnt make any difference to me , I wish they spent their time implementing more tracking options then a new GUI.

[MattL]

Looks the same to me.

[bluegill_catcher]

Yea I love the new stats and look, espicaly the 'top channels' reports.

And wow!! You can now see all the channels on one page, awesome !! Thanks GOOGLE

[J.P]

I like the changes, makes it easier to see what you have done in the week / month

[bluegill_catcher]

Google reserves the right to terminate without notice any account that has not generated a sufficient number of valid clicks on or valid impressions of Ads (as measured by Google) for a period of two (2) months or more.

[NeoGen]

Can't see any changes.. looks same to me

[toddieg]

i think it's great.

i like seeing top performing channels.

[webdesignlist]

not bad at all so far - i like it

[Juls]

ya i just read that and was about to post it myself.

lol bluegill you are faster than me.

haha that just popped up on my adsense..

checking out the updated tos.

[Worldwid]

That is new I do believe, best part is, they dont tell you what the number is.

[Juls]

lol they also updated their look ;-)

[theplayers]

I just noticed this a minute ago. New look :D

[Kiasuman]

Yea, the new top performance channels is great...

[alang]

argh...I'm confused with their new look

[ResaleBroker]

I love the new "Top Channels" layout. :)

[Googles76]

Cool new look, I actually like it

[Dastar]

I don't see any difference either? I wonder if they are upgrading accounts in batches or something.

[fryman]

I feel left out :(

No new look at all for me

[City2]

whats the change in policies?

[City2]

I dont like the new layout. Last one was quicker

[Critters]

new layout? you using the same adSense as me? :)

[Worldwid]

Want me to post a screenshot?

Edit : Here ya go -


http://home.comcast.net/~jwunsch1/untitled.th.jpg (http://home.comcast.net/~jwunsch1/untitled.JPG)

[ShadowWind]

New here, at least to post. Been lurking for a bit. Apparently you can't get back to that new screen for some reason after you read the new TOS. I saw it and then closed that window. Went back to see it again and gives me the old stats.

A little concerned about what they consider insufficient number of clicks and impressions.

[Josh]

Yeah.. I just noticed that. Really really slick.

For those that aren't seeing it, here is a screenshot (some stuff blurred to comply with the TOS :P )

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8017/newadsense9ap.th.gif (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newadsense9ap.gif)

Josh

[Josh]

I really like the new stats, but am really confused with the Top Chanels thing

Total Page Impressions: 147,441
I click expand, and under Virtualbrowser, page impressions are 202,456 -- hows that possible? Same thing with last month..



Josh

[Peter Sellers]

Updated - We have made revisions to this agreement in the following sections: 1, 2, 6, 11, 16

Went to login and all of a sudden it is saying that there have been revisions made.

Has this happened to anyone else today?

Thanks

Me

[digitalpoint]

It's for everyone...

[anton-io!]

Is accessing your Google data 2/ 3rd party programs aggainst TOS

using apps like Sysense?

I've read the TOS and looking for clarification

[Peter Sellers]

It's for everyone...

thanks so I can remove my nappy

:D

[MattL]

I am seeing the new one now. My old bookmark doesn't work now either (different URL). Maybe they were running old and new in tandem for a bit.

[vprp]

I like the new look. It may take a bit of time to get used to but I think the new layout makes a lot more sense.

[dkalweit]

I am seeing the new one now. My old bookmark doesn't work now either (different URL). Maybe they were running old and new in tandem for a bit.

Maybe Adsense runs on multiple data centers as well, and it takes a while to update all the computers, as it does for Google itself?


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Derek

[dkalweit]

I like the new look. It may take a bit of time to get used to but I think the new layout makes a lot more sense.

I'd really like to be able to create custom reports. I run 3 reports daily. The first two for certain channels, and then the 3rd is aggregate. I calculate my site's performance based on these reports(the 3rd site is aggregate minus the other two totals). I'd love to be able to use Adsense's url channels, but the $$$'s doesn't tie out properly to the actual ad totals. Being able to run a report for a group of channels would be ideal...


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Derek

[NewComputer]

My Firefox Adsense plugin isnt working anymore... shoot...

[Sjorritsma]

Check the new layout of adsense

[leeds1]

it's super cool - easy to see your major channels against each other

[Chiara]

Does this happen to anyone else with the new format -

When I set it to show my earnings this month I get one figure.

When I set it to show my earnings this month broken down by channel I get a figure that is several hundred dollars more than the other figure! Why would this happen, unless Adsense is not including all clicks in my overall total?

[webbom]

I like this new way of showing the report. But I don't like the colors, they aren't easy to read.

[Mia]

Fantastic job.. What else can I say. Finally very intuative, makes perfect sense and is completely organized. Bravo!!!

I love it!

[iskandar]

I was surprised when i login to my account today since i was asked to read adsense's agreement again.

I thought i am booted, thanks god i was not. apparently the agreement has been changed somehow and the layout of the account has also been touch - up a bit.

The new layout looks a lot more fresh and cleaner. Let's hope with this new layout, my CTR increases nicely as well :)

[PinoyIto]

nice GUI update, but I wish they also include their update, where we can trace pages performance like adhearus.

[LcF]

First, I notice that my Firefox Adsense notifier does not work. When I login Google Adsense page and greeted by the new TOS (some changes for Adsense CPM ads). I am quite confused by the new design but I love it after few minutes. Yeah, the "top channels" are nice. :)

[Kiasuman]

I can't stop singing praises to the new "top channels" tab. Makes life so much easier.

[super_kid]

I believe I'm the only one who didn't like the new look :(

[redmachine76]

any major changes in TOS?

[Arnie]

That's great and more convenient, need to get used to it though.

[BigPhil]

Has anyone else seen the new adsense control panel and terms of service?
It looks much better in my opinion but not as intuitive as the old one.

[BigPhil]

Has anyone else seen the new adsense control panel and terms of service?
It looks much better in my opinion but not as intuitive as the old one.

I was trying to delete the new thread I created , as the topic was elsewhere but looks like the moderatars already sorted it out. *Sigh* Still on dial up sloooow page load times. :(

[elavenil]

i just noticed it when i am login my account

[exaro]

I love the new look, it's cleaner and easier to use.

[dkalweit]

Does this happen to anyone else with the new format -

When I set it to show my earnings this month I get one figure.

When I set it to show my earnings this month broken down by channel I get a figure that is several hundred dollars more than the other figure! Why would this happen, unless Adsense is not including all clicks in my overall total?

You probably have url channels. url channels and other channels overlap, and therefore the clicks/$$$ get counted twice, hence the higher numbers.


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Derek

[alang]

seems like adsense server is down. Unable to login for the past 5 hours

*Edit - arghh, my site is down too, does my site is on same server with google?

[Josh]

seems like adsense server is down. Unable to login for the past 5 hours

*Edit - arghh, my site is down too, does my site is on same server with google?


Down here too. With your site, its probably that the page wont load until adsense loads.. and since adsense wont load, your page is stuck in loading mode.


Josh

[alang]

no, my server down....but its backup again....hehe seems like my technician is faster than google

[ziandra]

It sure looks purdier. Too bad they drop a few of the reporting options. Looks like they only let you go back 60 days on detailed numbers. Makes me wish I had saved the older stuff off.

[Mia]

It sure looks purdier. Too bad they drop a few of the reporting options. Looks like they only let you go back 60 days on detailed numbers. Makes me wish I had saved the older stuff off.

None of the reporting options were dropped.. Infact the old interface is completely unchanged from what I can tell... When you first log in you see the "Overview" page. This is what has changed and or been added.

As for the old reporting options, they are still there.

[Josh]

The colors on the old interface was changed I think.. before didn't it have a striped type thing for each day?

Still.. I'm getting the same stats as before on the advanced stats page :) I still haven't found anything about the new interface I dont like.

Josh

[Ajeet]

Sorry to be a party pooper to the "cool interface, cool top channels" party, but I think that in a few weeks time these forums will be innundated with shrill protests from people dropped out of AdSense for not having enough ad impressions / clicks!

I for one am scared :eek:

[dkalweit]

Sorry to be a party pooper to the "cool interface, cool top channels" party, but I think that in a few weeks time these forums will be innundated with shrill protests from people dropped out of AdSense for not having enough ad impressions / clicks!

I for one am scared :eek:

What's too few? If I were google, I wouldn't want to maintain accounts that take numerous months to reach the $100 payment threshold. If you can't do at LEAST $100/month in Adsense, you're not trying hard enough...


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Derek

[Josh]

I'd disagree.. Adsense is the highest CPC network I know of, as far as the minimum ammount before payment goes. I mean on one of my sites, I'm just not getting well-paying ads. Clicks are almost to xxxx per month.. but the price per click just isn't much. And due to the nature of the site, I can't really change the content to make it more high-paying keyword friendly.


Josh

[dkalweit]

I'd disagree.. Adsense is the highest CPC network I know of, as far as the minimum ammount before payment goes. I mean on one of my sites, I'm just not getting well-paying ads. Clicks are almost to xxxx per month.. but the price per click just isn't much. And due to the nature of the site, I can't really change the content to make it more high-paying keyword friendly.

I have a bottom-barrel keyword site with $.03-$.06 clicks the norm. It makes enough with a normal amount of site promotion and good ad placement to easily make the $100/month. Even with the current google penalties or whatever they're doing to me(I'm betting coop related, but I won't go there on this board), I can STILL reach the $100/month mark a couple times over with that site alone. Low paying clicks are not good enough reason.


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Derek

[bluegill_catcher]

What about no traffic as good enough reason, I now have close to 150 pages and 45+ mini sites and still average under 200 unique visitors a day total.... yikes!

But even with them figures, luckily I make the monthly payment amount....

The scary part is, who knows what figures google is talking about with the new TOS requirements, they may want sites to get 1,000 uniques or more a day..... or 5,000 or even higher.

[dkalweit]

What about no traffic as good enough reason, I now have close to 150 pages and 45+ mini sites and still average under 200 unique visitors a day total.... yikes!

But even with them figures, luckily I make the monthly payment amount....

The scary part is, who knows what figures google is talking about with the new TOS requirements, they may want sites to get 1,000 uniques or more a day..... or 5,000 or even higher.

Firstly, I think they're discussing accounts, not sites. If you only have 200 visitors a day on 46 sites, you have a lot of site promotion and SEO to do. I'm sure they'd also allow for a 'probation' or 'starting up' period the first few months...

Either way, you proved my point-- even with such little traffic, you still made the monthly payment ammount.

I can simply understand how Google may not want to maintain accounts that take 6+ months to reach the $100 minimum. That's $0.55/day.

Someone could also argue that the lower volume sites are also more likely to have fraudulent clicks, as the account holder has less to lose(loose argument, i know-- doesn't mean Google wouldn't use it)...

I honestly don't think Google wants to kick anyone out at this time-- they simply are reserving their right to do so in the future if they determine the cost of maintaining those accounts(DB maintenance, payment processing, stats processing, fraud investigations, etc.) to be more trouble than the income they generate.


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Derek

[Josh]

Well.. I think as long as they are providing valid clicks, Google shouldn't have any reason to worry about them. I think in their eyes, the more sites they have using Adsense, the more it will appeal to advertisers. Get their name out in as many corners of the net as possible.


Josh

[SHT]

For all those people who use Sysense, there is a new version out that makes it work with the new Google update.

Click here (http://www.singerscreations.com/RSS/Posts/251.asp)

[wkw]

What's too few? If I were google, I wouldn't want to maintain accounts that take numerous months to reach the $100 payment threshold. If you can't do at LEAST $100/month in Adsense, you're not trying hard enough...


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Derek
True. But I wonder what provisions they will or won't offer for letting you try again. Just cause you sucked in the past, one day you might end up with a site which would do well with adsense-style advertising...

-w

[Josh]

True. But I wonder what provisions they will or won't offer for letting you try again. Just cause you sucked in the past, one day you might end up with a site which would do well with adsense-style advertising...

-w


Thats a reall good point. And since you can't have more than on adsense account.. and when they terminate that account, it still counts as an account.



Josh

[Arnie]

Firstly, I think they're discussing accounts, not sites. If you only have 200 visitors a day on 46 sites, you have a lot of site promotion and SEO to do. I'm sure they'd also allow for a 'probation' or 'starting up' period the first few months...

Either way, you proved my point-- even with such little traffic, you still made the monthly payment ammount.

I can simply understand how Google may not want to maintain accounts that take 6+ months to reach the $100 minimum. That's $0.55/day.

Someone could also argue that the lower volume sites are also more likely to have fraudulent clicks, as the account holder has less to lose(loose argument, i know-- doesn't mean Google wouldn't use it)...

I honestly don't think Google wants to kick anyone out at this time-- they simply are reserving their right to do so in the future if they determine the cost of maintaining those accounts(DB maintenance, payment processing, stats processing, fraud investigations, etc.) to be more trouble than the income they generate.


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Derek

They give a period of 2 months.

[e10]

Anybody else notice that since the change the figures match? I was always having to jump between one report and another to get the latest figure but now both day and month figures are the same.

[TooHappy]

Shrill protests of that there is no question! There are going to be some massive cuts!

If you have ever been thinking of selling your low performing site, now may be the time!

[ShadowWind]

I only have one site, and it's one I've worked on for the last 6 months to get good traffic and good PR/SEO and it just got updated to a PR4 with 300-500 uniques a day. It's a 3D art site/general entertainment site and no matter how much content I've added, I cannot get people to click on the ads very much, and if they do, it's usually so low paying that I only get a few cents a day. I try not to do anything offensive like pop ups, etc.

So if I understand this thread correctly, I should be punished for doing the kind of high content site that you are supposed to do. It's certainly not from lack of trying. I've tried all kinds of ad placement options, but since people find a lot of things to do on the site, I guess they don't pay as much attention to the ads. On the artwork, I can never get them to target to the picture's subject, instead on the software used to make the image which the general public could care less. I would love some suggestions on how I can raise the level of the CTR and all to reach that $100 in a month. I certainly don't want to be dropped from Google for trying to do the right thing.

The site is: shadowwindmanor.com

I haven't been here long enough to make that a live link, sorry...

ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated on how I can maximize the site, as so far I've come up empty. I don't want to sell the site as it's been a personal quest for me to get it to where it is today.

[GADOOD]

As soon as I load the page, my attention isn't on the ads. I can't even see them until 4 seconds of hunting and that's me purposely looking for them.

It looks like you could put the leaderboard in that design in the top half of the page, with images above it. The improvement in CTR would be phenominal!

Please try it and report back...300 uniques/day is a good number imho. I'm seeing 1/4 of a reasonable salary from just 200 uniques/day.

Get them Adsense dollars!

Pete

[dkalweit]

ANY suggestions would be greatly appreciated on how I can maximize the site, as so far I've come up empty. I don't want to sell the site as it's been a personal quest for me to get it to where it is today.


The first thing to realize, is that "Above the fold" is very valuable real estate. On your home page, you waste the absolute RED SPOT heat-map wise with "welcome to...what's new...".

You also have a plethora of ads(I think) right up front on the left. This is where people first look for a main menu-- either put it there, or put Google Ads(I like adlinks there) there. Your 'menu' is hidden in a border between the top header and the main content area. I have to admit, that my initial inclination if I were to hit this site, would be to reach immediately for the back button.

Lastly, your site is slow. I found myself waiting 1-4 seconds for a page to start displaying-- considerably slower than most sites. While I don't know the figures, you can imagine 'every second is x visitors lost per day'. Fix the speed problem or get a new host that can.

Lastly, if you simply want profit, have more than one site. There's just so much traffic to draw in for one site.


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Derek



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Derek

[ShadowWind]

Thanks for the advice, I did what you said. Will let you know.

Also a bulk of that traffic goes to the gallery since all of our images are now indexed in Google. But everytime I try to put G ads on there, I get topics based on the software rather than on the topic at hand. For instance, in the celebrity gallery, I would like ads that relate like Spike from Buffy show Buffy DVD ads. But instead I get ads for Photoshop, etc. Is there a way to fix that?

Yes, I am trying to figure out how to lower the load time of the front page. I have tweaked it some, but need to tweak it some more.

[ShadowWind]

Derek,
You would have the inclination to hit the back button because the menu is across the top? I can move it to the side if you think that would help. On other pages than the front page, which is the entry point for a good majority of the traffic, there is no left bar at all, so that is why the menu was chosen to be at the top.

The ads on the left side are paid ads which is why I had to give them above the fold. Not sure what to do with them.

You may be right about one thing, the Manor was never meant to be a profit center when it came to ads. It's kinda of a personal site that reflects various interests, that don't seem to coincide with the ads. I guess I start to really need to look into other sites to augment the income potential.

[dkalweit]

Derek,
You would have the inclination to hit the back button because the menu is across the top? I can move it to the side if you think that would help. On other pages than the front page, which is the entry point for a good majority of the traffic, there is no left bar at all, so that is why the menu was chosen to be at the top.

The ads on the left side are paid ads which is why I had to give them above the fold. Not sure what to do with them.


I would never put paid ads in that location. I'd use the left hand side, the upper right top, the bottom footer area, in the content, or the left hand side below my navigation.

When I get to your page I don't see content. I see ads, 'what's new' fluff, and very little else. The navigation bar is hidden to me and the gaudy colors make it look spammy and advertising-like, so I don't see it at first. Either make your navigation at the top LOOK like navigation(hard to say how), or move it to where navigation goes these days. I'd also put the same left bar on all pages for consistency.



You may be right about one thing, the Manor was never meant to be a profit center when it came to ads. It's kinda of a personal site that reflects various interests, that don't seem to coincide with the ads. I guess I start to really need to look into other sites to augment the income potential.

I think this is exactly what Google wants to filter out-- joe schmoe's who have a single low traffic site that they just 'have online' that they don't do anything with, and they hear about Adsense and say, "sure, that'd be great". They put the ads up, and then wonder why they don't perform. I think Google likely wants people that try to make the ads perform-- to both increase $$$ for Google and to create more leads for their advertising clients, and theoretically more sales for them.


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Derek

[fryman]

I agree... just look at the threads around here.. "I am earning 20 cents with adsense, what can I do?" -of course they forget to say that they get 2 visitors per day - "my earnings are going down, any help" - and they have a site with pictures of their dog-...

Only quality sites with decent traffic will make it... it took me 15 months of very hard work to be earning $1,500 a month, and that is only peanuts compared to some other members here

[ShadowWind]

I will definitely take your suggestions to heart, which is why I asked. I will be the first to admit that web design is a new thing for me and I am unsure how to optimize it the best. I am retired due to health from programming and 3D artwork. I realize that I have a lot to learn and asking questions is one way I know to do that. I am perfectly willing to put in all the work I can muster in order to monetize this stuff into a decent income on this or other sites.

I didn't originally intend for the Manor to be more than a portfolio site for my 3D artwork and I knew Google was there at the time, but like you said above, I didn't feel that it was appropriate given the traffic we had at the time. So I didn't bother to do so. But since the redesign, it's grown quite a bit and as I said we get 300-400 uniques per day that enter through all sorts of entry pages throughout the site. Some are interested in 3D items that we host and the tutorials. Some are interested in the arcade, some the 3D art gallery, and some the wallpaper, etc. So with all this, the bandwidth made it obvious that there was a need to turn this traffic into some monetization.

I may not have been on the right track with the site and that is why I asked here on how I can improve that. I have worked on it with great zest though with constant updates, not thrown up just a picture of my dog and expected the throngs of millions to click on the ads. But after six months of hard work, it's good to have maybe some inkling of a future in it. I see the potential and I'm willing to work toward that potential, includng learning as much as I can. I do think I've learned quite a bit in these last six months.



I appreciate the advice...

[kawebspy]

The third party Adsense Tracker I installed with my firefox browser is not functioning already.