DMOZ domain and subdomain ok?

[fryman]

I have a site and a subdomain. They have different themes, would it be ok to submit both of them to DMOZ, (each one to a separate category), or should I first submit the domain and later on the subdomain?

:confused:

[disgust]

depending on how distinct the themes are (and how much content are on both), both may get listed. I'd try submitting them both.

[fryman]

One site discusses christmas traditions, the subdomain discusses christmas recipes, although I also have all kind of non-christmas ones.

I checked the categories, and there are only 3 websites on each one, so I guess it would be easy to get in. What do you think?

[disgust]

my guess would be with two topics that closely related your chances may not be great, but it can't hurt to try.

[fryman]

Well... maybe it could hurt me ;) You know how picky those DMOZ editors are... I would'nt want them to think I am doing a duplicate submission.

Although, as I said, they are going to be submitted to different categories... I guess I'll take the risk and see what happens...

[mark1]

Well... maybe it could hurt me ;) You know how picky those DMOZ editors are... I would'nt want them to think I am doing a duplicate submission.

Although, as I said, they are going to be submitted to different categories... I guess I'll take the risk and see what happens...

So what was the result from this?

[rob777]

I haven't run into sub domains yet, so I don't know how they work with guidelines for sure.

But if they are inter linked (easily accessible from each other to each other) They will probably be considered the same site.

It could look bad if the editor thinks you are trying to pull a fast one. The X-mas theme in both (even though different) may seem to the editor like mirror sites (two seperate sites with same content), or sister sites (two seperate sites with different content, but connected to each other like they are just different sections of the same website).

You could ask in the resource zone and maybe get a definate yes or no answer from more experienced editors.
resource zone (http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php)

Sorry I couldn't be more help,
Rob

[fryman]

lol, forgot about this thread...

I submitted just the domain. Asked the editors to speed it up since it was related to Christmas and I wanted it listed before December, and believe it or not, they actually did!!!

My site is now listed at Dmoz, and it only took a couple of months :D

[rob777]

Good for you! :D

[fryman]

I have that site on standby... it is #1 at yahoo and msn for my main keyword now... should bring in some nice $$ this December... ;)

[minstrel]

You could ask in the resource zone and maybe get a definate yes or no answer from more experienced editors.
Gotta hand it to you, Rob... you do have a sense of humor :D

[fryman]

I did use the resource zone. Heck, I even told off one of the editors for giving me incorrect instructions! :D

http://resource-zone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22666

(It's in Spanish)

[mark1]

thanks for the dmoz forum link...

and clarification... so your listing in dmoz are duplicate subdomains? (as you said above)

btw... when u guys are talking about #1 in yahoo etc.. you mean #1 for a particular keyword?

[windy]

congratulations.

[jlerner]

I haven't run into sub domains yet, so I don't know how they work with guidelines for sure.

But if they are inter linked (easily accessible from each other to each other) They will probably be considered the same site.

Hi Rob,
I also submitted a new site under my subdmain. The top level site is related to desktop graphics - the subdomain is a medical site. Though they are linked, I'm hoping the difference in content will distinguish the sites from each other and not be regarded as mirror sites.

Any guesses on how that may be viewed by DMOZ?

[rob777]

I am just guessing (because every editor is different and has different opinions)

But, if it is a subdomain and totally different topic and content from from the main domain, PLUS it meets the guidelines (not and affiliate link farm, good content, etc.) It should probably be listed.

BTW- why didn't you just get a domain name for the medical site? I don't understand using subs unless you are sectioning a site (forums. , chat. , etc. like Yahoo). Wouldn't it be better SEO to have a dedicated domain name for a seperate site? I'm not SEO expert, thats why I am asking, for my own curiosity.


Later,
Rob

[minstrel]

Partial answer:

- may help avoid the Google sandbox
- may make more sense from a content/branding standpoint
- Folders vs. Subdomains (http://www.highrankings.com/issue105.htm)

[rob777]

Thanks minstrel.

After reading that article, I would still (if it were my site) try to get it's own domain for the medical site. If I am understanding the article right...the only benefit of doing a sub for that site would be the inbound links from the main site? But I would think that an easy to remember domain name would be a greater benefit for type-in visitors, then just make a small directory on the main site and link to the med site.

I think this is one of those issues where it don't really matter...it is all up to who ever is running the sites.

I currently use folders for my articles, forums, chat, etc on my wood website, and it covers gardening and home improvement. I would be better off sub-domaining the gardening and home improvement and give each their own article, forums, chat, etc. sections. But in my own preferences I would accually just split those into 2 other regualr domains (which I might do when I get enough content).


Thanks,
Rob

[minstrel]

I think I'd agree -- If it is related content, and the mother domain is of a reasonable size, then a subdomain makes sense to me. If the mother domain is small, just inegrate it into the main site. If the content is not even related, get a new domain.

[jlerner]

BTW- why didn't you just get a domain name for the medical site?

Rob

I'm not sure if I wanted to develope the medical site any further - thought if I could get it listed under a subdomain, it would be a way to test the viability of the concept. Then if it generates some interest, get a seperate domain and put some serious work in to it.

[rob777]

That sounds like a good strategy. You keep the overhead low until the idea is tested and found valuable. I never thought of it like, I like it!

But how do you deal with a situation like this...
you have 500 pages indexed by google, and getting many visitors from google searches to these pages. But now you move the site to its own domain and the urls for these pages change. How do you deal with all the 404s on the old urls, and how do you keep the same amount of traffic to the new pages' urls?

Later,
Rob

[jlerner]

... But now you move the site to its own domain and the urls for these pages change. How do you deal with all the 404s on the old urls, and how do you keep the same amount of traffic to the new pages' urls?

I'm toying with the idea of having the new domain and the sub-domain link back and forth to each other. That way, I can build up the majority of the content on the new domain name, and still retain the content and back links from the sub-domain.

Or if it all blows up - just start from scratch knowing that I'm putting my effort into a proven idea.

Or if that blows up - just get a job at Hooters.


PS - Just checked my logs and found that DMOZ visited my site this weekend but declined to add it to the directory. Looks like I may not get the chance to test my theory. :(

[rob777]

just because your logs show dmoz visited does not mean anything so don't worry yet. Sometimes an editor may take a quick peak at it and decide it belongs in a different category, so they may send it over there. Or maybe the editor was in the middle of editing your site and had to quit for some reason, in this case the editor may go back later and finish reviewing your site. Or an editor may have ran a tool through the unreviewed list to check for bad links and what not, I don't know how this will appear on a website log, but the tool can return with news of redirects, frames, errors, etc. so it must visit the site. Or an editor may have only had greenbusting permissions (can only review and edit unreviewed sites, but not publish) in that category and they reviewed/edited your site and possibly approved it, but it will not be published until an editor with full permissions peaks at it and approves the greenbust. Or it may have been approved straight through, but the public side of ODP hasn't updated yet (can sometimes take a few days) Or some other circumstances.

Don't rely on the website logs. If in doubt ask for a submission status check in the Resource Zone (http://resource-zone.com/forum/index.php)


Later,
Rob

[jlerner]

Good to know I'm not out of the game yet - thanks Rob :)