Yahoo Update

[seoindia]

I donnt see any relevance of yahoo recent update does anybody found any relevance

[Zinho]

I've not seen any change in terms of page indexed nor links. I noticed a good improvement in ranking getting on top10 for very competitive keywords. But it could be due to my seo efforts of the last few months...

[Googles76]

Yahoo is messed up, I have directories and sites that link to me rank higher for my keywords than my own site:mad:

[dcristo]

Im noticing the same (within the industry Ive been monitoring anyway)

My forum index page outranks my home page and has MUCH fewer inbounds... go figure.

[samsam]

I see better serps as well in my industry.

[longcall911]

Not good for me. For my most important phrase, I made #1 six months ago. I've just been sent to #3.

For this one kw group anyway, SERPs are looking just like G. I'm wondering if Y! has implemented a 'link-age' thing. I know the one thing that the 2 above me have is that they've been online for 8 years, compared to my one.

/*tom*/

[Homer]

I get better serps from my dog :D.

[air]

I noticed no movement for the sites I monitor. I feel strange that my SERPs are stuck to +/- 2 positions for a month.

[hmilesjr]

I believe that either they are only showing results in select markets or on select datacenters. I am showing increases for my keywords in the DigitalPoint Keyword Ranking Tool, but when I do an actual search my site is not listed in the corresponding position. Just a guess.

[SEOGuru]

Hmilesjr...... same thing happen to me for a couple of my keywords but I changed the results to show 100 per page instead of 10 per page and my listings showed up.

Though, the listings were not my homepage, it was some subpage of my site.

[hmilesjr]

Do you reckon the 100 listings per page are the updated results?

[SEOGuru]

No, I don't think the 100 listings is the "updated" results because though my listings show up, the rankings are still F**ked. My homepage has over 1.4 million links to it and it is listed nowhere. Indexed pages were in the thousands and are now dropping daily. I think they have flat out banned thousands of websites.

A couple of my subpages were showing up in the extended listings because they didn't find those pages through the tranditional crawl method. Meaning there is no link to those pages anywhere on my site. They indexed those pages because they are linked to on OTHER sites. Which leads me to believe that they have a hard time distinguishing what page belongs to what site if not found from a crawl on that site. I've seen the same thing with Google where they count links from your own pages in your backlinks, only if they found that page via another website. What kind of value they give those links, i don't know. This was unintentional on my part but I've now tested it 8 times and the same thing happens.

[hmilesjr]

SERPs looking a lot better this morning on my end. The new rankings for my site are live now. Just hope it lasts.

[antithesis_98]

1.4 million links? Geesh.
No change for me and the top ten for my keywords are the same as well.

[lorien1973]

Yahoo just loves one of my sites now. I rank front page on everyword if consequence. Actually both MSN and yahoo (and google) love the site.

#1 across the board for "space bags" kicks butt
top 10 across the board for "as seen on tv" is sweet as well

I need to install DP's yahoo/MSN keyword tracker to see how good the news really is, though.

Time to sell it! LOL

[hmilesjr]

Well that was nice - for about a day. C'mon Yahoo! get your act together. Anyone else seen a drop in SERPs today?

[SEOGuru]

hard to drop any more than N/A. (not in top 10,000) haha

[Arnie]

Guess someone there stops manually their crawlers to visit our sites.

[Juls]

heh N/A for me too. this really sucks.

it has to be our coop rotational links. not on our sites but any site that had a large amount of rotational inbound links.

my main site that i pointed all of my coop weight to is my only site affected. the rest of my sites are still doing great. i think that the people pointing weight at their sites that were not affected were those that did not point much weight.

I think that pointing anything over like 8-15k of coop weight got flagged with their new system and we got filtered or banned. I read that you can be banned by yahoo and still indexed by them.

Sucks only think we can do is wait it out. Hope it gets fixed soon.

[hmilesjr]

I have never used the coop. So, why did I drop?

[Homer]

I am on my 4th straight week of 0 (nuda, nothing, didly, zero) referrers from Yahoo, after being a top ten runner for YEARS.

The odd thing is I am NOT hearing about this in any other online communities. I have tried searching high a nd low for additional news and can't seem to find much:confused:. Is DP the only community that is seeing this?

[Web Gazelle]

I haven't seen many changes for any of my sites other than moving up to #2 for one KW (Bala Shark (http://www.bbayaquariums.com)) for just one of my sites.

[longcall911]

The only change I have noticed has to do with my main site. The industry it is in is called the audience response industry. Interestingly, there is a company in the industry called Audience Response Systems, Inc.

If I search for audience response systems (my #1 keyphrase) I come in at #1. But, if I use initial caps, as in my competitor's name, they come in first.

This is the only search I have found that is case sensitive.

/*tom*/

[hmilesjr]

I am beginning to believe that Yahoo! has some kind of aging or sandbox filter for links. My site homepage after getting approved for the directory, jumped from #60 to #20 for the term "auto insurance" then a few days later vanished.

Now the only listings I can find are subpages. I have been aggressively building links directed to my homepage, and very few to internal pages which I feel could be the cause for the drop. I did tinker with my html code, but that was after the drop occurred.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

[my3cents]

I know they recently did a big in-house cleanup and banned a bunch of sites. One of mine got booted from the search results. I emailed them about it, they said it was probably due to a penalty for breaking their rules. Here is the link they gave me...

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/basics/basics-18.html

They went on to say I could resubmit my site to be evaluated again, however this option appears to cost money... Maybe money was their incentive for doing this in the first place... ;-)

They would not tell me what my site was doing wrong.. so I went through the list above and made sure I was clean... In this case, I had some old domain names pointing to my site from years ago, so I think they may have considered that dup content across multiple domains. So I changed all that. We will see. I will update if I make any progress...

[Arnie]

I sent them mail yesterday to ask what happened and questioned them about some details? No reply so far. I'll let you know, but I don't expect a positive outcome due to their behaviour since months.

They try to appear honest but - are they?

[Jonson]

Anybody is there to answer my question,that Yahoo has been giving different SERP results these days.
Our site has lost the positions at Yahoo from last 1 week and there is no changes in the positions of Google.
From the last one year we are at top position at Yahoo and last week no position at all?y?
Help me out with the exact reason?

[Jonson]

wht exactly happened with Yahoo interms of SERp results?
Anybody know about this?

[Arnie]

Anybody is there to answer my question,that Yahoo has been giving different SERP results these days.
Our site has lost the positions at Yahoo from last 1 week and there is no changes in the positions of Google.
From the last one year we are at top position at Yahoo and last week no position at all?y?
Help me out with the exact reason?

Read the posts from coopGuy (http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=18387&page=20). He's on track about this subjects among others in this forum.

[Web Gazelle]

Yahoo went to pot. To put it plain, they suck! That is the only explaination to the crap results they have be giving lately.

[chris45]

Yahoo came before Google and Ask Jeeves, right? now there service is slowly sucking over the years.

[Web Gazelle]

I thought Google was first. Yahoo was powered by Google for quite sometime.

[Infiniterb]

Yahoo paved the way actually. I remember when it was the ugliest place on the internet at one time.

[spdude]

I'd just like to add something here. After this update happened, I threw about 50k weight at this one page I had never piointed co-op to before. The domain was still doing well with yahoo before the weight was pointed. That page now brings over 1000 unique from Yahoo daily. Been consistent for over 10 days now.

This seems to suggest that Yahoo's dropping of sites with massive links was a one time thing.

Newly created pages on unaffected domains are not being filtered regardless of the 100s of thousands of quickly acquired links.

Probably means that coopguy's experiment will fail, and that site will not get banned. Just my opinion...

[crazyhorse]

I'd just like to add something here. After this update happened, I threw about 50k weight at this one page I had never piointed co-op to before. The domain was still doing well with yahoo before the weight was pointed. That page now brings over 1000 unique from Yahoo daily. Been consistent for over 10 days now.

This seems to suggest that Yahoo's dropping of sites with massive links was a one time thing.

Newly created pages on unaffected domains are not being filtered regardless of the 100s of thousands of quickly acquired links.

Probably means that coopguy's experiment will fail, and that site will not get banned. Just my opinion...
Does that mean if i drop all the current ads im running for my website. And change them and point them at different urls my rankings will come backagain in Yahoo:eek:

[spdude]

Prop up other pages on an unaffected domain.. and point all links towards these other pages. If you're dealing with 50-100k weight.. then chances are the rankings will come back in Yahoo for those new pages. Maybe not as strong as what they were on the old pages though.

[crazyhorse]

Ok couldnt it just be aging filter just like google has. The more links you add the higher you rank. After two or three months you ll be topping for each term cuase the aging filter or dropped or has more strength. Did you ever try pointing more weight to the same page you targeted before but then double the weigth and see what it does. I know i havnt and i currently cant but im a more a strong believer that this is some aging filter and will gain power again over time. If it is a bann why keep indexing the pages. Drop them instantly i would say. And i still get traffic from yahoo. So far 500 to 600 visitors. G is sending me 60k so far. I ll try your approach and see what it can do. ;)

[SEOGuru]

I'd just like to add something here. After this update happened, I threw about 50k weight at this one page I had never piointed co-op to before. The domain was still doing well with yahoo before the weight was pointed. That page now brings over 1000 unique from Yahoo daily. Been consistent for over 10 days now.

This seems to suggest that Yahoo's dropping of sites with massive links was a one time thing.

Newly created pages on unaffected domains are not being filtered regardless of the 100s of thousands of quickly acquired links.

Probably means that coopguy's experiment will fail, and that site will not get banned. Just my opinion...

You could be right spdude. The site I'm targeting went from 46k links to almost 200k links so far and hasn't budged one spot up or down. But also keep in mind that Yahoo hasn't done there update yet. Sometimes they do daily or weekly shifts but it is the next major index (or update or whatever people call it) that I'm waiting for. It is quite possible the the experiment could fail and the massive bans were a one-time, knee-jerk reaction by Yahoo to attempt to clean up their results. Not sure if it really worked out for them though. haha

[West_of_Willamette]

...my previously nuked website is now showing 4 pages in Yahoo...3 links pages and my privacy policy.

Don't know if this means anything but...

[crazyhorse]

...my previously nuked website is now showing 4 pages in Yahoo...3 links pages and my privacy policy.

Don't know if this means anything but...

Could be but mine got 70k indexed and im not getting the same traffic as i had before. I guess ther is a reasonable differnce between ranking and getting indexed.

[themetalpeddler]

I'm not sure whether or not I should be relieved reading this - at least I'm not alone. Most of my KW have suddenly dropped from page 1 SERPs in Yahoo to NA. Started dropping a few days ago, and today even more are N/A.
I'm not in the co-op thing and Yahoo only shows about 250 - 300 backlinks for me so I am sure it can't be anything to do with that :confused:

[spdude]

My previously screwed website with 2,000,000 links in Yahoo is now ranking again for it's index page.

On the other hand the other domain which I pointed 80k weight at is now off the Yahoo serps.

[SEOGuru]

that is very interesting spdude. You are the first I've heard that has been put back into the SERPs after being knocked out. My sites still do not rank for the domain name. The index does show up under the site: command but they are no longer indexing the site and it has slowly dropped from 2000 pages indexed to just 84 now.

[spdude]

If you want to manually check my links in Yahoo using linkdomain it would be linkdomain:www.shariahpro***gram.ca (remove the ***)

It's now ranking number 3 for "Learn Arabic", and number one for "Learn Arabic Online", the way it was before I got knocked off.

Strangely, only my index page shows up for these main keywords of mine. All my inside pages which I had set up for Adsense etc. are still no where to be found in the serps.

[SEOGuru]

Your index page ranks under the term "shariahprogram"

Did it always rank under that term?

That is what I mean by not ranking under your domain. I still have pages indexed and hundreds of thousands of links but when I search for my actual domain (no spaces) it doesn't show up in any of the 50 pages.

[spdude]

Nope... this just happened yesterday night. Before yesterday night for the last month or so I also wasn't ranking for the domain name.

[SEOGuru]

Did you make any changes to the site? Has the number of indexed pages or links changed? Did you resubmit the site for review? Sorry for all of the questions but I trying to figure out how you got back in if you had a judgement against your site.

I got an email from them saying that I can submit my site for rereview but only once. And though they did confirm a judgement against my site was there, they didn't want what it was they had a problem with.

[spdude]

In terms of number of links.. I guess I lowered it down a bit and removed a few site-wides... but overall no major changes to number of indexed pages. Links are still very high.. only a few PR8 site-wides I was paying for have been removed. Never attempted to resubmit to Yahoo or anything of that sort.

The site still isn't ranking for any internal pages (which were bringing the bulk of the traffic and earnings anyway). It's only the index page which seems to be back to what it was before last month's update.

Also, that page I pointed the 80k weight to recently is gone off the map completely.