65 in allinanchor but not in search results.

[Help Desk]

I tried to get my site, thinkbling.com, to get into the search results for the word "Bling". No such luck thus far. I have more backlinks than most of the top 5 sites and I am about 65th for an Allinanchor search on bling. I don't expect to be in the 100, but I don't appear to be in the top 900.

Any thoughts?

[compar]

I tried to get my site, thinkbling.com, to get into the search results for the word "Bling". No such luck thus far. I have more backlinks than most of the top 5 sites and I am about 65th for an Allinanchor search on bling. I don't expect to be in the 100, but I don't appear to be in the top 900.

Any thoughts?
How recent are the backlinks? Are your links still in the sandbox?

[Help Desk]

I previously had 19 backlinks. After the last backlink update I now have over 190. These are probably all new new pages on exisiting PageRanked websites.

[janecompersnews]

You have 192 links to your site. 41 Internal, 151 external.

83 of those links are from your C Class domains (www.thinkbling.com, forums.thinkbling.com, blogger.thinkbling.com)

The majority of your external backlinks (or those that are listed by G) are forum posts, which in turn only originate from less than a dozen sites. I don't believe that multiple links from the same site are worth the same as a similar amount of links from lots of different sites.

The only forum acknowledging your signature of 'bling' is Digital Point. The anchor text from your links at Digital Point state 'Visit ThinkBling's homepage!' 'thinkbling.com' and 'bling'.

The anchor text from your links at SEO chat state 'Visit bling's homepage!'

The anchor text from other sites vary too, the most notible difference being you have 'bling' (originating from forum posts) and 'bling!' (originating from your site).

So...... all in all, I'd count that as about 15 decent links to your site. Get more links! :D

Make sure you've submitted to all the free directories too....
(are we allowed to post links here? - I'd like post a list of free directories).

Jane

[North Carolina SEO]

I agree with jancompernews. You need to get more inbound links to your site from other places, like directories. It will take a lot of time and work, but will be well worth it in the end. Then just wait for the next Google update and hopefully they will move you up. If Google sandboxes you for 1 update, it will take a little longer. Just keep getting those inbound links and don't give up.

[spyder]

I don't think allinanchor is that important to Google's SERPs. We have a client's site which is No. 1 for a keyword in allinanchor - and it dropped out of sight in Google about 2 and a half months ago. It has just showed up again for the keyword, and moving up and down on Page 2. The keyword is still at No 2 or 3 at Yahoo and MSN though.

[leeds1]

The anchor text from your links at SEO chat state 'Visit bling's homepage!'
Jane

and just guess where you are for that EXACT phrase.

As Jane says, good BL's from a high number of different places, themed, that have your anchor text in it !

[Help Desk]

Could lack of theming be responsible for a not even showing in the SERPs even when you are hovering between 6th and 8th in inanchor and allinanchor searches for a keyword?

[murugan]

my site is in top 10 in allinanchor for most of the keywords, but in SERPS its not coming up. This is because of Sand Box effect. We have to wait for a while to reap the fruits.

[DarrenC]

I have the same problem with one keyword phrase, actually #1 in allinanchor but I'm sat in a sandbox building castles...

[T0PS3O]

Allinanchor is quantitative.

Ranking is supposed to be qualitative based on a combination of quantitative variables.

So even when yuo are #1 allinanchor, G might still decide your site isn't a quality resource for that word and thus not show you. It depends on what the algo says exactly.

[dirtdog1960theone]

Could lack of theming be responsible for a not even showing in the SERPs even when you are hovering between 6th and 8th in inanchor and allinanchor searches for a keyword?

I cannot write of "theme-ing" except to be negative and blather that I think it is marketing fluff. Computers do math. What is the math of a theme?

What is real though is that I checked the top listing for bling in google for <space>bling and found 9 count for bling in mtvs listing and only 3 on yours.

You on the first page for allin...etc except for allin page
here:

www google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=bling&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images

not thinkbling as in your url but <space>bling

Interesting huh?

Bump you <space>bling count to ten and kick mtvs bottom eh?

[Help Desk]

I'm not sure I get what you are saying.

[dirtdog1960theone]

thinkbling- I'm not sure I get what you are saying.

Me either ;)

The site with the number one position on google today for the search word bling has the word bling 9 times in the text of its html. Your site has the word bling three times in the text 3 times. I suspect that more is better. So I suggest you change your page and use the word bling 10 times instead of 3. Then resubmit or get crawled again by google and check your results.

Let me know how you do.

[Help Desk]

I added a quick blurb to my footer. It should be in Google's index in no more than 2 days. Let's see what happens.

[Nitin M]

ThinkBling - My theory ... and that's all it is my theory based on lots of personal experience with allinanchor not matching SERPs and what worked for me to break out of it .... ALL THEORY - NO FLAMES PLEASE :)

First - Allinanchor - What does it mean? Have never found a firm answer but in researching and studying allinanchor results, I believe they are weighted MUCH more heavily towards PR flow from backlinks than is the standard search algo. So, when you are hovering between 6-8 in allinanchor what this tells me is you are 6-8th in PR flow to your page from links with "bling" in the anchor text.

Now, why would you not be in the SERPs at all? Because you are in the "sandbox". Sort of a vague statement because there is no one definition of what the sandbox is. When I use the term what I mean is that google has determined your links are "unnatural" and is penalizing you by completely filtering your site from the SERPs for "bling" because you are clearly manipulating your backlinks for this purpose. This happens when the ratio of total sites linking to you compared to total backlinks is out of whack for a specific anchor text.

In your case, the large number of links from a very small number of sites (DP is one) is keeping you in the sandbox. You should remove bling from your sig on forums and aggresively go after link exchanges from as many different sites as possible and also mix up the anchor text a bit (not too much, just maybe 10%).

As I said I have been in your shoes on several sites in the past and have broken out in this way. I also can predict with absolute certainly when I will be sandboxed due to a sitewide link ... sometimes I don't care ... I am doing it for the PR flow and not the SERPs. For example, right now my site www.seopark.com is sandboxed for "Link Exchange" even though I am ~50 for allinanchor I am filtered from reg SERP. I knew this would happen cause I obtained a sitewide from a large site for the PR flow ... in time, I will offset this "unnaturalness" with enough other links that I will break out.

Anyway, hope this info helps and if nothing else gives you some things to think about.

Good Luck.

<EDIT - ADDED>
AND, BTW, I don't see the coop ad network running on your site ... IMHO this would be one of the easiest steps to diversify the sites for your backlinks and break out of the sandbox.
</EDIT>

[dirtdog1960theone]

snip
In your case, the large number of links from a very small number of sites (DP is one) is keeping you in the sandbox.

not a flame, no proof. theory or seo marketing fluff. show us the algorithm for "sandbox" such if this then that etc?


You should remove bling from your sig on forums and aggresively go after link


echh acckk cough cough he is doing well in allinanchor and you want him to go backwards? :confused: :eek:


also mix up the anchor text a bit (not too much, just maybe 10%). snip

anti hilltop? proof and algos before I would do something this dramatic.

Sorry for being so negative Virginia Realtors just tired. Please flame I deserve it wink.

[fluke]

:confused:

[Help Desk]

I've added the co-op network to the main part of my site. Previously I only had it on my blog and my forums. We'll see if some recent changes make a difference.

On a side note, I have gotten in the serps for other "bling" things such as "bling software" and "bling computer". Hopefully this is a sign of something good.

[Nitin M]

show us the algorithm for "sandbox" Sure thing. While I'm at it would you like me to fully document the complete google algo ... how about I throw in MSN and Yahoo's algos too while I'm at it. :rolleyes:
echh acckk cough cough he is doing well in allinanchor and you want him to go backwards?Right. And being high in allinanchor is so worthwhile because people actually search that way, right ? :p

Not really anything I care to convince anyone of... consider it food for thought.

On a side note, I have gotten in the serps for other "bling" things such as "bling software" and "bling computer". Hopefully this is a sign of something good. FWIW the SERP filter seems to apply to the exact anchor text that is overweighted from a single domain. Also, as you raise the number of domains from which you are linking with "bling" anchor text, you will naturally break out of the filter.

[Help Desk]

Isn't that the same as saying multiple links from the same domain are diminished? IE 10 links from 1 domain are worth less than 10 links from 10 domains?

[Nitin M]

No. Not at all. The diminishing value of multiple links is true but it is not a penalty/filter ... it is saying the additional links don't continue to help.

But, what I am saying is if the ratio of incoming links divided by the total number of domains providing the links exceeds some threshhold for a specific anchor text, then google filters the page from the SERPs for that KWP (the anchor text) because it is an obvious and easily detectable attempt to manipulate the SERPs.

[Help Desk]

I would almost agree with you. However, I am the firm believer that a link can not hurt your positioning in the SERPs. Otherwise, you could come up with a website, just to take down others sites in the SERPs.

[Nitin M]

Couple of thoughts:

1) Personally, I have never seen a site that is not sandboxed for a KWP suddenly get sandbox'ed. It always seems to happen to sites (whether new or established) that go after a new KWP.

2) Even if the sandbax could apply to a site that was already performing well in SERPs for a KWP, it would be extremely difficult to pull this off. The site would already have a strong diversity of sites and so you would have to really overload it and take a HUGE risk that you would help rather than hurt your competition.

But, maybe worth a test someday ...

[Help Desk]

If there is going to be a debate about the "sandbox", perhaps we should all agree on its definition.

Virginia refers to the sandbox as a dampening effect concerning entry into the SERPs.

Others refer to the sandbox as a dampening effect on new pages. ie a newer pages links don't really count in the SERPs.

So which is it?

[dirtdog1960theone]

Sure thing. While I'm at it would you like me to fully document the complete google algo ... how about I throw in MSN and Yahoo's algos too while I'm at it. :rolleyes:

Me - Perhaps an example then?

Right. And being high in allinanchor is so worthwhile because people actually search that way, right ? :p

Me- It is worthwhile to the search engines and what page you are listed upon. We were not discussing alternatives searches for bling.


Not really anything I care to convince anyone of... consider it food for thought. <snip>witty snide retort</snip> :)


FWIW the SERP filter seems to apply to the exact anchor text that is overweighted from a single domain. Also, as you raise the number of domains from which you are linking with "bling" anchor text, you will naturally break out of the filter.

<snip>humorous snide comeback</snip> I am feeling Christian today. :)

[Nitin M]

dirtdog - as I said in my original post, I can't prove my theory... which is why I called it my "theory" and not "fact". I really don't care to convince anyone of buying into MY theory .... but I'm sharing my thoughts for anyone that may find it useful. If you don't, then by all means, feel free to disregard it.

As for examples, I gave "Link Exchange" as an example sandbox'ed KWP for www.seopark.com and explained why/how it does not show in SERPs even though it is ~41 in allinanchor.

Another example is "Realtor" for www.top-real-estate-agents.org... currently 7th in allinanchor and ~30 in SERP. It used to be 5th in allinanchor and non-existent in SERP just over a month ago (and the previous 4 months). It used to have almost all of its backlinks with the anchor text of "Realtor" from 3 large site-wide arrangements. I dropped 2 of the site wides and also used some of the ad network inventory to get a broader base of sites.

These examples don't prove the theory ... but, they do support it.

I have many other examples where the results seem to be in line with the theory. But, no, I won't share the search terms or URLs on all the examples.

[dirtdog1960theone]

Vr - dirtdog - as I said in my original post, I can't prove my theory... which is why I called it my "theory" and not "fact". I really don't care to convince anyone of buying into MY theory .... but I'm sharing my thoughts for anyone that may find it useful. If you don't, then by all means, feel free to disregard it.[/quote]

Me - yes well said.

vr- As for examples, I gave "Link Exchange" as an example sandbox'ed KWP for www.seopark.com and explained why/how it does not show in SERPs even though it is ~41 in allinanchor.

Yes you did give an example, sorry. I will take a look later. Very interesting.

Vr - Another example is "Realtor" for www.top-real-estate-agents.org... currently 7th in allinanchor and ~30 in SERP. It used to be 5th in allinanchor and non-existent in SERP just over a month ago (and the previous 4 months). It used to have almost all of its backlinks with the anchor text of "Realtor" from 3 large site-wide arrangements. I dropped 2 of the site wides and also used some of the ad network inventory to get a broader base of sites.

me - and then? Your serp improved?

vr- These examples don't prove the theory ... but, they do support it.

me - yes i suppose they do. However you will agree there are several other factors affecting Serps no?

me - Let me know if you think this is helpful.
http://www.webworkshop.net/florida-update.html I believe it supports you.

off topic- I have a friend that needs to sell a house very fast. not in your state though. he asked me about ebay selling cause he thinks I am an internet guy :rolleyes: I am clueless. any interest in answering his question. If yes I will pm you more details.

[Nitin M]

off topic- I have a friend that needs to sell a house very fast. not in your state though. he asked me about ebay selling cause he thinks I am an internet guy I am clueless. any interest in answering his question. If yes I will pm you more details.LOL! Of course, it is an obvious/natural assumption given my username and that many of the sites I openly discuss are Real Estate related. I am sure it must be what everyone thinks - that I am a REALTOR dabbling in SEO.

But, I do SEO/SEM full-time for my own sites and for clients. I almost said I am an "expert" but what a can of worms that would open, eh? :) Instead, I'll say I earn a very good living doing SEO related activities and yet there is so much more in the field that I DON'T know vs. what I have learned in a fairly short amount of time.

My wife is a REALTOR. Your friend can feel free to email her at ann[@]equitysafeteam.com any questions though I don't think she has any experience trying to sell a house online.

Heading to london in a couple of hours for a week vacation so I won't be continuing this discussion ... but, I enjoyed it ... thanks.

[Help Desk]

Today I am 3rd in "inanchor:bling" and "allinanchor:bling" searches. This is some forward movement. However I have jumped into the SERPs at number 488.

Is this a sign that I am brushing the sand off and finally coming out?