What is Yahoo Doing Now?

[Homer]

I am sitting here looking at my lousy result pages at Yahoo right now wondering what it was I did. I have always been in the top ten rankings with them. :confused:

Right now it appears as though I have been BANNED from their index. They are dancing all over the place and have been referring literally 0% traffic to me over the past few days...why?

I administer to 40 different sites and they all share certain common characteristics:

AdSense & Coop
AdSense
Coop
None of the above

We are really powerless if any of my suspicions are correct, all we will have is each other. :) I have my own suspicions, but I would really like to hear from anyone in the DP nation what their experiences are?

I have never started a poll before so if it doesn't work what I'm wondering out of websites that were brutilized Yahoo which of the above characteristics we share?

[lorien1973]

Its not adsense, I see made of adsense junk sites on the top of yahoo. Its also not the COOP cuz mysite that dropped does not run coop ads.

[hmilesjr]

I don't believe it is any of the things you mentioned. My site doesn't have any of the things you've mentioned, and it has been cast into the Y! cellar as well. I broke down this week and purchased their Directory Submission hoping they would approve me. Tought that if it was a spam filter of sort, maybe that would break it free.

[Infiniterb]

Maybe we should just play the waiting game :)

[Homer]

I am not saying that any of the above are the cause, cuz I don't know.

What I have seen is that when I search Yahoo under my keyphrases I am finding it very difficult to find ANY sites in the top 10 bearing the AS code :confused:

I agree we need to wait...but it doesn't change what I'm seeing right now. :(

[Arnie]

Not so here, most of the sites on the top showing adsense

[Infiniterb]

Well, as we know by mcdar's experiment, we can't really jump to many conclusions. These may even be things we haven't done. The cache issue in google isn't an issue of ours, but of Googlebot's.

Maybe if we simply re-uploaded our content, Yahoo might pick up new "cache data" and be able to re-index pages. But in all likelyhood, that's not the issue that we're currently seeing. I have a feeling yahoo is going through a big re-indexing of its entire index and things will sort themselves out overtime. I don't plan on making any changes to my sites.

[iconrate]

A search for iconrate buddy icons:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=iconrate+buddy+icons&sm=Yahoo%21+Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1

1. uploadit.com/Icons.aspx
Registrant:
DNP Corporation
2. wwx.toprepaid.com/icons.aspx
Registrant:
DNP Corporation
3. wwx.buddysoft.com/icons.aspx
Registrant:
DNP Corporation
12. wwx.ibeautician.com/AIM-ICONS.aspx
Registrant:
DNP Corporation
13. wwx.gosamples.com/Buddy-Icons.aspx
Registrant:
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20. wwx.asiantrend.com/icons.aspx
Registrant:
DNP Corporation


What I've noticed is that when (for a brief moment of time) my keywords returned, these sites went away. So I'd guess that either yahoo's spam filter went away OR these sites are doing something funny. I think it could be the latter, these are not your normal every day spam sites.
This also kills the idea that it's because of adsense.
I've seen similar results for other sites that have been hit yet noone's talking about these. This is the worst spam I've ever seen...
Pretty disgusting is what this is :(

[Redleg]

Exactly the same here...

Those da**ed .aspx sites all over the place where my site used to rank good..

I've sent in several spam reports and mails now, since it seems this guy(s) are copying content from other sites, and uses some kind of cloaking..

Take a look at the cache for some of those pages, and compare them to the real pages:
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=military+quotes+and+mottos&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=www.onpal.com/quotes-are-sorted.aspx&w=military+quotes+mottos&d=F6FF1C2423&icp=1&.intl=us

http://www.onpal. com/quotes-are-sorted.aspx

http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=military+quotes+and+mottos&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=www.seekmodels.com/Funny-Quotes.aspx&w=military+quotes+mottos&d=119AD881BD&icp=1&.intl=us

http://www.seekmodels. com/Funny-Quotes.aspx

and many more....

Everyone of shose .aspx pages are like that..
A lot of links and copied content (even copyright notices from pages) at the bottom of the cached pages, but they are not visible on the "real" pages..

You should change the links a bit by the way iconrate, those ba**ards don't deserve to get any free links..

:mad:

[iconrate]

Take a look at the cache for some of those pages, and compare them to the real pages:
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=military+quotes+and+mottos&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&u=www.onpal.com/quotes-are-sorted.aspx&w=military+quotes+mottos&d=F6FF1C2423&icp=1&.intl=us

Everyone of shose .aspx pages are like that..
A lot of links and copied content (even copyright notices from pages) at the bottom of the cached pages, but they are not visible on the "real" pages..

You should change the links a bit by the way iconrate, those ba**ards don't deserve to get any free links..

:mad:

Changed the links. Didn't look at the cache earlier but you are right... this is how they are ranking for select terms.
Web server hosts 440 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login)
I'm faxing over 8 C&D letters to alchemy.net see http://alchemy.net/contact.html regarding their client, maybe we can put this bastard out of business at least temporarily.

[Arnie]

Under construction site ranks 2 from 3 milions and so on ...

[ferret77]

a lot of my sites that are gone from yahoo are relatively new

many of my older sites are doing ok

I have coop to and from some of the sites that are gone

I don't think its the coop specifically, but it seems to increase the possibility

does yahoo check whois info?

one of my sites that is gone had some run of site links from another site own

right after the site disappeared, the run of site links disappeared from the yahoo backlink check

Theorectially if your have 2 sites same whois, same server both running coop

you will eventrually create a semi run of site link for your self

[lorien1973]

My domain has been registered since 1999, and I'm gone from yahoo. Its not age of domain either. Its a crappy algorithm.

[jias]

Two sites with Adsense and Coop are doing really good.
An Amazon affiliate site with adsense and coop has been dropped last weekend.

[Redleg]

Changed the links. Didn't look at the cache earlier but you are right... this is how they are ranking for select terms.
Web server hosts 440 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login)
I'm faxing over 8 C&D letters to alchemy.net see http://alchemy.net/contact.html regarding their client, maybe we can put this bastard out of business at least temporarily.

I'll contact them as well..


Are we the only two who sees those crappy .aspx sites??

Try to search for your site's title, and the link title used in the Yahoo directory (if you are listed there)..
That's how I discovered those sites.

[Arnie]

You're not alone, I found also some randomly, and a lot of other crappy sites.

The funny thing is, when I search with my title it shows all sites linking to mine. It's not listed at the directory.

[EventRez]

I just read about Y! booting Affiliate sites this weekend.

Roll Call: How many of you have Aff content?

[Redleg]

I just read about Y! booting Affiliate sites this weekend.

Roll Call: How many of you have Aff content?

I don't think that's the problem, at least not for me..
No aff content on most of my sites/pages that's MIA in Yahoo...

[lorien1973]

for my site that was dumped from yahoo -

I have no affiliate content, no duplicated content, no affiliate links going out of the site. It is, in fact, a yahoo store (!!). I play very conservative on this site, this and my other yahoo store are my main sources of income.

The other site, in which I do the exact same stuff, is just fine in yahoo.

Only difference between the sites (externally) is that the dumped site has a few site wide text ads running and has had more press releases sent out as well (4 compared to 2 or something). I also tend to syndicate more articles for this site, than the other, too. Otherwise, no major differences.

[Homer]

I think Infiniterb makes a good point, wait for the dust to to settle. The rumour I hear is that alot of the long overdue index updates are actually being executed by people (humans). This will obviously take more time than any bot. In the meatime ALL 40 of my websites are on the 5th straight day of 0% referred Yahoo traffic...even with a few paid directory listings which I faithfully renew every year...:mad:.

[Arnie]

I think Infiniterb makes a good point, wait for the dust to to settle. The rumour I hear is that alot of the long overdue index updates are actually being executed by people (humans). This will obviously take more time than any bot. In the meatime ALL 40 of my websites are on the 5th straight day of 0% referred Yahoo traffic...even with a few paid directory listings which I faithfully renew every year...:mad:.

You're optimistic. Why is it that all adsense sites dissapeared from the top.
I found only one with adlinks and some adsense inside of it. I just gave it a try again and had the same results.

[Arnie]

If there is a human shift working on rankings sounds unbelieveable. How to cope with billions of sites? And why can't Yahoo make a statement of what they are doing. They are getting flooded with mails since days.

[Homer]

You're optimistic. Why is it that all adsense sites dissapeared from the top.
I found only one with adlinks and some adsense inside of it. I just gave it a try again and had the same results.

Yes I have been accused of being an eternal optimist before :-). I, too, have noticed that top dogs in Yahoo's index currently don't seem to be running AS. Others are disagreeing with our findings...but I'm still seeing it.

This is not my keyphrase, but it is still the same if you go to Yahoo and search for 'automobile (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=automobile&fr=FP-tab-web-t-251&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8)'...can't find one site with AS. If my suspicions are correct...I believe that is a declaration of WAR :eek:

G vs Y...who will win? Should we remove AS from our sites now?

[Arnie]

Yes, Y is eeling around without coming to a point, at least they try to hide their real purpose as long as possible.
Could be that they come up with a similar project or, - just had a shareholders meeting with lots of pressure put on them, so they went to knock on G successful strategies and are not realizing that they are victimising themselves.

...as someone on another threat mentioned it, "made up by pure greed".

Watch the marketshares.
on the left where it says 'select security' you can add YHOO and MSN then select 3 months chart and see the gap.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticker1=GOOG:US

[kepa]

that the Direcotry Listings of the WEB SEARCH were affected. Out of the top 50, only TWO (2) are Directory listings, whereas it was nearly half being directory listing.

My organic listing was pretty high before (top 5) but fell out. At that time I had both my Directory and organic listing in the top 5 for my most competitive key phrase. I was relieved to see my Directory Listing still ranking at #2. But now, I guess I'll have to get my organic listing back up somehow. To me this is harder then getting into Google.

[Infiniterb]

If the whole adsense issue were to be true, I would imagine if a major news orginization started to run a story about this, you could quickly see Yahoo change their SERPS. It's a totally dishonest penalty to place on a site without informing anyone. Granted, it is their index, but it doesn't help the end user at all.

[Arnie]

If the whole adsense issue were to be true, I would imagine if a major news orginization started to run a story about this, you could quickly see Yahoo change their SERPS. It's a totally dishonest penalty to place on a site without informing anyone. Granted, it is their index, but it doesn't help the end user at all.

Guess it's coming soon

[wrkalot]

The Adsense theory doesn't hold water with me. A don't run Adsense (never have) AND got the boot.

[shane]

Agree. AdSense may be another trigger, but one of the sites I saw disappear doesn't run AS and never has. Doesn't include any type of affiliate links, either. The co-op is the only common factor I can find so far.

[lorien1973]

Remember; yahoo was coded from Inktomi. Inktomi always loved crappy sites. Maybe yahoo finds the addiction too hard to let go? :P

[zak]

Also been hammered completely

[Homer]

Has anyone read this http://www.platinax.co.uk/blogs/brian/archives/2005/06/dmca_the_new_bl.html :eek:
How to get your competition banned from Yahoo for sure!

Edit:
Yahoo! will not check the validity of DMCA complaints,
Yahoo! will not inform the webmaster/site owner of the copyright complaint against them,
Yahoo! will not even make a public report to a body such as chillingeffects, whom Google refer their DMCA complaints to for public reference,
A webmaster will be unable to get a response from normal Yahoo! search channels as to the reason why their site is suddenly not listed in Yahoo!
A webmaster who finally discovers that a DMCA has been filed, will be unable to learn what that complaint is, and generally faces a continued communications blackhole, and inability to rectify the matter.

[bloodwrath]

maybe yahoo does a whois and if they ban 1 site they ban all your sites
doing a whois on every site would easly tell yahoo how many anyone of us own..

[Homer]

Good point....that's why all my new domains have a privacy policy (No data visible in whois look-up).

[bloodwrath]

Good point....that's why all my new domains have a privacy policy (No data visible in whois look-up).

they do, isnt this something u have to pay more for?

[Homer]

ya, it costs me an extra $10 USD per domain. The way I see it is if Yahoo wants to play games with my future then I'll play with them. If only all se's had the programming brilliance of Google then we would have to play such games.

To date I remain completely banned from Yahoo with no reason that I can see. Although they have reindexed over 30,000 webpages, serps are completely gone :rolleyes:.

[redmachine76]

yeah a lot pages from my adsense site got remove from yahoo index but not all....
traffic from yahoo down by 50% in last 2 weeks....

[iskandar]

I sold my site because it good ranks in yahoo just fropped to nowhere for every single pages. It is still indexed but what's the use if you can't get to the top keyword?

I am still thinking of what went wrong. Maybe it's a new sandbox filter ...