how to improve Yahoo rank

[webwhiz]

I am just wondering how do you improve Yahoo rank?

Does Yahoo have sand box similar to Google? The site is quite new launched in late February and at the moment running Google adwords (resulted quite well - listed on top of the page sponsored link).

Currently rank 55- 3rd page on Yahoo and 4th page on msn (all on australian search)

Site stats:
link: 411
linkdomain:728

I've checked on the competitor site and it has less link than my project site.

This is the site: http://www.glutenfreeshop.com.au

Was approached to pay for Yahoo directory (is it worth it?)

[Shoemoney]

I think the yahoo directory is a must. I dont think you can afford not to do it.

Thats just in my opinion. Alot of people feel differently.

[compar]

I think the yahoo directory is a must. I dont think you can afford not to do it.

Thats just in my opinion. Alot of people feel differently.
Indeed they do and I'm one of them. I never recommend my clients pay Yahoo's ridiculous fee. They don't even guarantee you'll get in.

However I had one client who insisted on being listed and so we submitted his site and it was accepted. I didn't see one iota of benefit from it. I still think he wasted his money. The only thing that was assuaged was his ego.

[Crazy_Rob]

The directory is good for most businesess...but not all.

webwhiz, Yahoo! really loves content(w/ your keywords included). Add some info about your products and you should have some success.

[AfterHim.com]

I'm in the same boat...ranked #1 on msn for 4 good keywords, but nowhere in yahoo. nowhere in google yet, but I expected that.

[Web Gazelle]

Yahoo seems to like links, lots and lots of links with KWs in the anchor text. A good directory to submit to is MS small business directory, if you have some cash in your marketing budget. If you have only $5.00 then try Greenstalk. ;)

[Tuning]

For me google is the toughest. Yahoo and msn is easily managable. ( Note that I haven't done any SEO work for very very competetive terms, these are for 2word phrases )

I agree anchor text plays important role greatly in msn and yahoo. More that anchor text, better the ranking.

[dcristo]

Does Yahoo have sand box similar to Google?

I dont think Yahoo has any kind of sandboxing similar to Google. Ive seen new sites rank very well only weeks after launching them.

I've checked on the competitor site and it has less link than my project site.

Having more links than your competitors doesnt necessarily mean you will outrank them, especially in Yahoo. Its more about the qualtiy of the links rather then the quantity. Moreso, in Yahoo I feel on-page factors are alot more important compared to the other engines.

Is submitting to the Yahoo directory essential?

IMO, No. You can quite easily rank well in Yahoo without a directory listing. If the $300 annual fee doesnt break your budget then perhaps its worthwhile, but if your looking at spending the dosh more wisely Id begin submitting to other smaller web directories which provide a life-time listing and offer a quality link(s)

[Cristian Mezei]

One little mention. If you really want to rank well on Yahoo, get in their Directory. :). It would ease up a lot, on the inbound link work.

[Web Gazelle]

They don't seem to mind sitewide links either.

[davedx]

My new site has hardly any backlinks but got added to the Y Directory, and now it comes up on the first Y SERP... make of that what you will :)

[Blogmaster]

Yahoo! Directory will use the title from your submission and compare it to your business name in the "About Us" section of your site and also the whois info. Make sure that your business name matches with how you want to be listed. There can be a benefit in being listed ...

[MobileP]

Thanks sitetutor, that`s a good info there :)

[Shoemoney]

Indeed they do and I'm one of them. I never recommend my clients pay Yahoo's ridiculous fee. They don't even guarantee you'll get in.

However I had one client who insisted on being listed and so we submitted his site and it was accepted. I didn't see one iota of benefit from it. I still think he wasted his money. The only thing that was assuaged was his ego.

interesting... does this apply to all your clients? I do not do consulting or anything and I am sure you are much more experienced then I.

Is it just the cost that holds you back or do you feel as if its ZERO benefit at all?

I have had amazing success with sites submited to yahoo directory vs ones I have not. I would have a hard time recomending to any serious website not spending 300$ on a business directory.

[compar]

I have had amazing success with sites submited to yahoo directory vs ones I have not. I would have a hard time recomending to any serious website not spending 300$ on a business directory.
That's what others are reporting here also, but I've never seen this phenomenon and Yahoo has issued a very rigorous disclaimer, saying that Directory placement has no impact whatsoever on SERP placement. I tend to believe them.

The specific site I refer to is http://www.holisticlearningcenter.com/. They are ranking very well in Yahoo today but that didn't happen for months after we submitted them to the Yahoo directory and it is my opinion that it is due to many other factors not related to the directory submission.

[Growler]

I've tried submitting to yahoo directory numerous times with no luck.....I was using the free basic submit though....has anyone been listed using this? If so how long did it take...

[Infiniterb]

People have been listed using the Yahoo Basic Submit form, but the likely hood of it working now adays is very slim. I think it primarily depends on the category you wish to be listed in. If you have a highly saturated category you're looking to get listed in, it's even harder to get listed.

[davedx]

Growler - I was listed with the basic submit. Took about a month maybe.

[Web Gazelle]

Does adsense or similar ads disqualify a site from the free yahoo submission?

[Richmond, Virginia SEO]

Check out the term unusual toys in Yahoo! My client is #3 out of 3 million results. And #7 for unique toys out of 12 million results.

You can see his page at http://www.sillyasstoys.com for proof that I use this system and it works for Yahoo and even better for MSN which I am #1 and # 6 respectively. Anyway, here it is: (KW = keyword)

H1: Phrase with KW
H2: Phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H2: phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H3 phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried this with success. Seems to finally be working for google. #11 for unusual toys as of this week.

[compar]

Check out the term unusual toys in Yahoo! My client is #3 out of 3 million results. And #7 for unique toys out of 12 million results.

You can see his page at http://www.sillyasstoys.com for proof that I use this system and it works for Yahoo and even better for MSN which I am #1 and # 6 respectively. Anyway, here it is: (KW = keyword)

H1: Phrase with KW
H2: Phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H2: phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H3 phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried this with success. Seems to finally be working for google. #11 for unusual toys as of this week.

I'm a big believer in <h> tags before almost every paragraph. Certainly before every subsection of the content. I've never used the double heading like you are suggesting and my headings are usually a little shorter and more consise than your. They look like a headline and not just part of the Paragraph in bold.

I guess that is the problem I have with your sample page. I just don't think it looks nice.

[davedx]

Wow, red rep just for answering questions. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut :)

[Web Gazelle]

Check out the term unusual toys in Yahoo! My client is #3 out of 3 million results. And #7 for unique toys out of 12 million results.

You can see his page at http://www.sillyasstoys.com for proof that I use this system and it works for Yahoo and even better for MSN which I am #1 and # 6 respectively. Anyway, here it is: (KW = keyword)

H1: Phrase with KW
H2: Phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H2: phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H3 phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried this with success. Seems to finally be working for google. #11 for unusual toys as of this week.

I am following this pattern for one of my sites and yes, I have seen nice results.

[Shoemoney]

Wow, red rep just for answering questions. Next time I'll keep my mouth shut :)


I get neged a bit too... diverse opinions is what makes this site great.

In my opinion you shouldnt let it discourage you from posting ;)

[YoungSmeagol]

I thought there was a service called Yahoo! SiteMatch that would automatically find a spot for you in the Yahoo Directory but I could not find it. Did they get rid of it when they bought overture or was it never there in the first place?

[Blogmaster]

They still have Yahoo! Site Match but it was never for the directory, just a fast inclusion submission service into the Yahoo! search index.

[Blogmaster]

this is the only link I could find http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/marketing/searchsub.php

[compar]

They still have Yahoo! Site Match but it was never for the directory, just a fast inclusion submission service into the Yahoo! search index.
Correct! Some people still don't seem to differentiate the Directory from the search engine. And of course many in this thread believe that paying $300 per year to get into the directory will boost your ranking in the SERPs. I stll say it won't and doesn't.

[boohlick]

Check out the term unusual toys in Yahoo! My client is #3 out of 3 million results. And #7 for unique toys out of 12 million results.

You can see his page at http://www.sillyasstoys.com for proof that I use this system and it works for Yahoo and even better for MSN which I am #1 and # 6 respectively. Anyway, here it is: (KW = keyword)

H1: Phrase with KW
H2: Phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H2: phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it
H3 phrase with kw
P contains liberal sprinkling of kw or parts of it

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried this with success. Seems to finally be working for google. #11 for unusual toys as of this week.

Nice idea..

[davedx]

I get neged a bit too... diverse opinions is what makes this site great.

In my opinion you shouldnt let it discourage you from posting ;)

You're right of course :)

I wouldn't have minded at all if I'd posted an opinion, but all I posted was facts. Since I got added to the Yahoo directory I went up to really top spots with a non-existant backlinked site with no SEO. Maybe it was a coincidence, that they added me the same time they crawled me. Caveat lector as always, shrug.

[chiefshuddle]

The part that I don't get about the pay fee for the yahoo directory is that you are not even garunteed to get ANYTHING for your money and it is a recurring charge year to year.

Gee, I sure wish I could get paid good money and not actually have to do anything.

[Richmond, Virginia SEO]

The part that I don't get about the pay fee for the yahoo directory is that you are not even garunteed to get ANYTHING for your money and it is a recurring charge year to year.

Gee, I sure wish I could get paid good money and not actually have to do anything.
Chief,
Don't you know, this is what SEO Consultants are getting away with now. ;)

[compar]

Chief,
Don't you know, this is what SEO Consultants are getting away with now. ;)
It's a good job I've just read the thread about how swearing offends some people, because otherwise when I saw this remark I would have probably told you to fuck off! :D :D :D

[rjhere]

Just a quick note about the yahoo directory, I asked that same question a few weeks back.. and decided to bite the bullet.. My site shot from number 35 to number 2. It seems that directory entries have priority in their search engine results... I would have to say that this a good thing cause it means the top positions are taken by sites that have beem reviewed by humans. You can't spam the directory.

I am in the process of doing this to a few more sites of mine. Take a look at a search for ringtones, or jewelry ... The directory is part of the ranking algo..

[kepa]

>... My site shot from number 35 to number 2. It seems that directory entries have priority in their search engine results...

Is it your directory listing that shot up or the organic one?

[JEET]

The part that I don't get about the pay fee for the yahoo directory is that you are not even garunteed to get ANYTHING for your money and it is a recurring charge year to year.

Gee, I sure wish I could get paid good money and not actually have to do anything.

As far as I Knew the fee is to review the site . The recurring fee is charged if the entry is accepted and continued next year . Please let me know if I am wrong .

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[JEET]

Chief,
Don't you know, this is what SEO Consultants are getting away with now. ;)

Ok to some extent you may be right but Sir , A search engine optimiser , one who performs and not just grab a contract ) is not what you can refer to this way . search engine optimisation (http://www.farishtaey.com) is the toughest thing on the internet .
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[JEET]

Is it your directory listing that shot up or the organic one?

It is the organic one that shot up in search engine results .

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[JEET]

Just a quick note about the yahoo directory, I asked that same question a few weeks back.. and decided to bite the bullet.. My site shot from number 35 to number 2. It seems that directory entries have priority in their search engine results... I would have to say that this a good thing cause it means the top positions are taken by sites that have beem reviewed by humans. You can't spam the directory.

I am in the process of doing this to a few more sites of mine. Take a look at a search for ringtones, or jewelry ... The directory is part of the ranking algo..

Please don't be under the impression that Human evaluated sites are weighed more in yahoo , or any other search engine . Your position in search engine results
shot up because of the page rank that got transfered from the yahoo directory . Yahoo homepage is PR 10 and I expect the directory pages to be PR8 and the rank that your page has now should be around 6-7 depending on the other links both internal and external . Is that right ?
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Your search engine position on google should also have increased . Google indexes that directory regularly. If I am right either you are on Number 1 position in google or on the second page .
Yahoo gives a little more weight to the text . As far as spam is concerned Yahoo is currently showing a BLOCK link with all the listings . Clicking it may result in either complete penalisation or may be only from your IP , I am not sure . I did not get time to check that one today.

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It is better that you optimise your pages of the new sites , than depending only on the directory. And Please Optimise , not Stuff .

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[JEET]

It's a good job I've just read the thread about how swearing offends some people, because otherwise when I saw this remark I would have probably told you to fuck off! :D :D :D


Hey buddy please be careful about the words we use . It's a public message board .

:D
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[Infiniterb]

Hey buddy please be careful about the words we use . It's a public message board .

:D
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Yeah, so stop spamming your sites in every post...

[JEET]

Indeed they do and I'm one of them. I never recommend my clients pay Yahoo's ridiculous fee. They don't even guarantee you'll get in.

However I had one client who insisted on being listed and so we submitted his site and it was accepted. I didn't see one iota of benefit from it. I still think he wasted his money. The only thing that was assuaged was his ego.

Ok , you did not find any visible enhances BUT do you know that google made a point to visit the site regularly . When the PR came in existence then there were many errors in the indexing BUT the pages that were linked to sites like Yahoo were indexed easily and hence the pages linked are Expected Not to have any broken links etc . That is why the PR .

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[JEET]

I'm in the same boat...ranked #1 on msn for 4 good keywords, but nowhere in yahoo. nowhere in google yet, but I expected that.

Is it 4 single Keywords or is it a collection of 4 words making a keyphrase .
I have seen MSN indexing late , Yahoo and google are much faster . Your position has just brought me back from my sleep . I will now have to study this . Thanks

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[ferret77]

You know at one point just cranking the key word density made a world of differenece in yahoo,

but recently yahoo has been taking a big dump on a lot of my sites. like 7 or 8 of them in last 2 months have gone from top rankings to nowwhere.

[Web Gazelle]

Do you think your KW density is causing it? Maybe Yahoo has changed how high a density they like.

[Affiliate-Geek]

First start submitting to the smaller quality directories. Also here is another great place to submit your website (https://secure.ah-ha.com/guaranteed_inclusion/teaser.aspx?network=metacrawler). Also, start writing articles and submit them to the free article submit directories. Yes, this last step may take some time but the pay off is great.

[euwern]

I've tried submitting to yahoo directory numerous times with no luck.....I was using the free basic submit though....has anyone been listed using this? If so how long did it take...

According to my observation for the past two months.. it takes about 3 weeks to 1 months to get indexed in yahoo.

How do you know your site is being indexed by Yahoo? --> use site explorer.. type in your site name . if it appears, then viola your site are indexed in yahoo.

NOTE: please do not resubmit your site (free submit your site) continuously, like a few times a day..do it like 2 times in a month.

Resubmiting your site over and over again is considered as spaming and delay indexing.

Hope it helps :)

[joelchrist]

My better suggestion is that you work hard towards google, automatically you ll get good position on yahoo too.

[surender19797]

Try to use some SEO tactics.Like inbound links,anchor text etc.

[invader_tvr]

Yahoo seems to like links, lots and lots of links with KWs in the anchor text. A good directory to submit to is MS small business directory, if you have some cash in your marketing budget. If you have only $5.00 then try Greenstalk. ;)

I agree it.. thanks for it

[sweta]

One of my client site have yahoo directory submission and in tool it shows 20 links from yahoo directory.

But I didnt find any good serp result in yahoo. Yahoo paid directory submission is not much advisable. It depends on type/category of website. According to me yahoo directory didnt give boost in ranking.

Verifying website in yahoo is advisable and submiting sitemap.

Since last week as my client website google ranking is rising and yahoo ranking is going down. After reading whole forum here I still not get enough idea to boost ranking in yahoo and maintaining it in google.

Hope someone will give more idea

[mateen munir]

•Think carefully of the key terms that your users will search on to find content like yours. Use those terms to guide the text and construction of your page.
•Users are more likely to click a link if the title matches their search. Choose terms for the title that match the concept of your document.
•Use a "description" meta-tag and write your description accurately and carefully. After the title, the description is the most important draw for users. Make sure the document title and description attract the interest of the user but also fit the content on your site.
•Use a "keyword" meta-tag to list key words for the document. Use a distinct list of keywords that relate to the specific page on your site instead of using one broad set of keywords for every page.
•Keep relevant text and links in HTML. Placing them in graphics or image maps means search engines can't always search for the text, and the crawler can't follow links to your site's other pages. An HTML site map, with a link from your welcome page, can help make sure all your pages are crawled.
•Use ALT text for graphics. It's good page design to accommodate text browsers or visually impaired visitors, and it helps improve the text content of your page for search purposes.
•Correspond with webmasters and other content providers and build rich linkages between related pages.

[nirajkum]

Getting good rank is all search engine is same . Building link and having good and useful content

[mitnitwer]

You should bring backlinks just like you do to rank higher in google.

[airabon]

Do more site promoting: backlinking, submitting articles, use of social bookmarking sites, and write more in forums.

[rahul77700]

I'm in the same boat...ranked #1 on msn for 4 good keywords, but nowhere in yahoo. nowhere in google yet, but I expected that