Backlink Strategy with subdomains on different C Block IP

[gmantakis]

Hi to all

What is happening if my main website gets oneway backlinks from different SUBDOMAINS which have the same DOMAIN but different IP's on different C Blocks? For example:

www.mydomain.com gets oneway backlinks from dvdplayer.fantasydomain.com , cdplayer.fantasydomain.com & mp3player.fantasydomain.com

The domain fantasydomain.com would be hosted on a different webserver then my main website BUT the subdomains from fantasydomain.com would be hosted ALSO on different webhosts. I would just create for example the subdomains dvdplayer.fantasydomain.com , cdplayer.fantasydomain.com , mp3player.fantasydomain.com . Then i would create different A Host Record entries ... that means i would edit the DNS of the domain fantasydomain.com. in this way the dfferent sudomains would point to different webhosts/different C Block IPs.

dvdplayer.fantasydomain.com would have for example 111.222.333.444
cdplayer.fantasydomain.com would have for example 111.111.222.222
mp3player.fantsydomain.com would have for example 111.222.111.111

All these sudomains would have RELATED content with my MAIN commercial website and ALL these subdomains would point with ANCHOR text to my MAIN domain. The subdomains would have different IPs, they would have different C Block IPs.

BUT. The question is. Does the Search Engines check the subdomains IP? or do they check IF they have the same parent/main domain? The best scenario would be that the Search Engines would not devalue that backlinks.

A i forgot. Of course you will say now that ths would be a bit expensive to host on different webhosts. You can just host the different subdomains on so many free domain hosts that exist out there. You dont want traffic from them. You just ant that your main site get backlinks from other pages with related content. And as i know subdomains are treated from the search engines like different domains to each other. I would really hear your oppinions on this.

Thanks

George

[netnow22]

Its a risky try, In the past i had sucess with multiple subdomains pointing to my main domain (main domain was on different class c block) However the se's caught on and devauled those incoming links. If you use subdomains make sure they have multiple pages on subdomain, I heard havin subdomains with just 1 page on each subdomain could devaule those links as well.

[gmantakis]

Its a risky try, In the past i had sucess with multiple subdomains pointing to my main domain (main domain was on different class c block) However the se's caught on and devauled those incoming links. If you use subdomains make sure they have multiple pages on subdomain, I heard havin subdomains with just 1 page on each subdomain could devaule those links as well.

I understand, BUT i want to go one step further. I dont want the subdomains just to be hosted on a different C Block IP then my main domain. I want ALL my sudomains be hosted on different C Block IPs. So subdomain1 has a different IP then subdomain2 and subdomain3 etc etc... Had the Search Engines penalized you for this in some way?

Thanks

George

[netnow22]

Never tried it? Technically i don't know how to accomplish this, but i would say its worth a try, if you can do it.

Is this what you are looking to do?

main site (210.22.344.55 with no subdomains)

and linking sites on a different server like below

Secondary site on different server (different class c ip)
subdomain1 (different class c ip)
subdomain2 (different class c ip)
subdomain3 (different class c ip)
with all the subdomains pointing to your site with a different class c ip adresss

[gmantakis]

Never tried it? Technically i don't know how to accomplish this, but i would say its worth a try, if you can do it.

Is this what you are looking to do?

main site (210.22.344.55 with no subdomains)

and linking sites on a different server like below

Secondary site on different server (different class c ip)
subdomain1 (different class c ip)
subdomain2 (different class c ip)
subdomain3 (different class c ip)
with all the subdomains pointing to your site with a different class c ip adresss

Exactly!

My main site will have a different CLASS C IP from my other secondary domain/sudomains. Also the other subdomains will also have against each other subdomain a different CLASS C IP. YOu never tried it? But it your first answer post you stated that you had success with subdomain links but then got caught. Or was it something different that you had done?

Thanks

George

[netnow22]

Well, all the subdomains were on the same class c ip adress and the links were devalued. If you can make different class c ip adresss with your subdomains, i belive it would work. And if it doesn't your site will not be penalized because they are all incoming links (Se's will not penalize your main site becuase you are not linking out from your main site)

If you try this keep me posted, I am curious in the results

[kausik]

How a subdomain can have different ip even ? It's part of the domain and would have same ip of the domain. SO this concept obviously wouln't work !

[gmantakis]

How a subdomain can have different ip even ? It's part of the domain and would have same ip of the domain. SO this concept obviously wouln't work !

Of course a subdomain can have a different IP address. You have just to add different A Host Record to the DNS of your primary domain. For example i have tested this with my very own PERSONAL domain:

www.mantax.gr - 208.113.148.42
blog.mantax.gr - 70.86.98.165
shop.mantax.gr - 66.244.251.19

As you see the two subdomains blog.mantax.gr & shop.mantax.gr have a different IP to the main domain www.mantax.gr . They also have a different IP against each other... blog.mantax.gr has a different IP to shop.mantax.gr . You have to edit your DNS entries for this to work. You must enter A Host records and the IP Numbers of the other webhosts where you are hosting the other subdomains.

You can lookup the IPs on your own if you ping the domains/subdomains or just go to http://www.hcidata.co.uk/host2ip.htm

Thanks

George

[gmantakis]

Well, all the subdomains were on the same class c ip adress and the links were devalued. If you can make different class c ip adresss with your subdomains, i belive it would work. And if it doesn't your site will not be penalized because they are all incoming links (Se's will not penalize your main site becuase you are not linking out from your main site)

If you try this keep me posted, I am curious in the results

Thats the reason why the backlinks have been devalued. You can create different C Class IP's for your subdomains by hosting them at different webhosts and by creating the A Host DNS entries for that to work.

See at my previous comment to see what i mean.

Thanks

George

[RRWH]

of course this will work - think aobut the .com extension. Every something.com is a sub-domain of .com and there are quite a few soemthings.com around, at least last time I checked ;) and there is a pretty divers spread of IP's in use also last time I checked.

Think more about relavency, and try and make each sub-domain a useful mini site in itself with 5-6 pages of content and embedded links pointing to your main site. Sure this is going to cost a bit to set up, but the benefits should be quite reasonable.

Do this and get around 50 incoming links (from directories or similar) to each of your sub-domains.

[gmantakis]

of course this will work - think aobut the .com extension. Every something.com is a sub-domain of .com and there are quite a few soemthings.com around, at least last time I checked ;) and there is a pretty divers spread of IP's in use also last time I checked.

Think more about relavency, and try and make each sub-domain a useful mini site in itself with 5-6 pages of content and embedded links pointing to your main site. Sure this is going to cost a bit to set up, but the benefits should be quite reasonable.

Do this and get around 50 incoming links (from directories or similar) to each of your sub-domains.

You missunderstood totally what i want to do. To explain it again. I have my primary commercial domain. To have content related backlinks i want to setup about 100 sudomains on a 2nd domain. EACh subdomain will have a DIFFERENT IP because i will edit the DNS entries on the 2nd domain.

Example:

www.mydomain.com - This is my commercial domain

www.mantax.gr - Different IP with related content
blog.mantax.gr - Different IP with related content
shop.mantax.gr - Different IP with related content

I will link the 3 sudomains in this example with www.mydomain.com . I am not so much interested that my subdomains get links, i just want to create myself content related backlinks for my MAIN COMMERCIAL DOMAIN. My main target is that www.mydomain.com will get content related backlinks that i create myself. The subdomains will have ALL different IP's. You can check the IP's of the 3 example domains with this link

http://www.hcidata.co.uk/host2ip.htm

Thanks

George

[netnow22]

You will still need to have some links pointing to your subdomains to gain the most vaule and i would create about 5 pages of content on each subdomain to make it look natural

[RRWH]

You will still need to have some links pointing to your subdomains to gain the most vaule and i would create about 5 pages of content on each subdomain to make it look natural

Exactly my point.

The links from the sub-domains will be worthless pointing to your main site UNLESS there is inbound links to them, So, each sub domain should be a worthwhile mini-site that has a link building campagin of it's own to get the maximum benefit.

Then again it is probably better spending all that effort just adding some additional content to your primary domain and doing a massive link-building/article submission campaign for it.

My point was, yes you can do it, but is the effort of building lots of mini-sites and doing a small link building for each of them going to be worth it or would you be better of concentrating your effort on the main site.

Either way, will reap rewards, but you need to decide which course of action will be the most beneficial.

[gmantakis]

Exactly my point.

The links from the sub-domains will be worthless pointing to your main site UNLESS there is inbound links to them, So, each sub domain should be a worthwhile mini-site that has a link building campagin of it's own to get the maximum benefit.

Then again it is probably better spending all that effort just adding some additional content to your primary domain and doing a massive link-building/article submission campaign for it.

My point was, yes you can do it, but is the effort of building lots of mini-sites and doing a small link building for each of them going to be worth it or would you be better of concentrating your effort on the main site.

Either way, will reap rewards, but you need to decide which course of action will be the most beneficial.

The point is that it is more difficult to get inbound links for a commercial website with advertising on it then for a adfree webpage. Also you will have MORE inbound links for your main commercial website. i havent said that i will not create content for my main commercial website.. but i will also create adtional inbound links by myself.

Thanks

George