Free Coop Advertising Network

[digitalpoint]

Okay, another freebie... :) This is actually is a network of site owners with content sites. If you offer ad space to the ad network, and the ads you define are spread throughout the network.

Why does this have value? Because it's easy to put 100,000 of your own ads on your own site, but imagine if you could instantly spread your ads to hundreds or thousands of sites.

Ads can be graphic banners, text based banners, or even raw text link ads (which you can format to work into your site's content then).

There is a weighting system built-in, so the larger sites with more valuable ad real estate get their ads displayed more across the network. That way it's fair for sites large and small.

Currently it's setup for vBulletin 3.x site owners, Movable Type blog owners and Blogger blog owners. Although there are some cases where other sites will be allowed into the ad network.

Anyway, you can find it at http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/ (http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/?singup=1)

and there is a FAQ available at: http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/faq.html

[schlottke]

Good to see it finally going live - how many sites are currently doing this anyway?

[digitalpoint]

There ended up being 14 at the end of the testing phase...

[awall19]

Do you think search engines will ever be able to penalize such a network if it grows to a large size?

Initially I signed up, but I am super conservative when it comes to things that may eventually garner some sort of penalty.

I guess my question is "Is this idea truely scalable?" and "What other features do you intend to ad to improve relevancy when the network grows?"

[nates]

How do I edit the desc. paragraph?

I need to shorten the paragraph but only had options for enable or delete.

Thanks

[digitalpoint]

Do you think search engines will ever be able to penalize such a network if it grows to a large size?

Initially I signed up, but I am super conservative when it comes to things that may eventually garner some sort of penalty.
I don't see why it would warrant a penalty to be honest, unless the search engines are going to penalize sites for advertising. {shrug}

But either way, I would say it would be impossible to detect since it's not done with JavaScript, IFRAME or anything else. If you look at the source, the ad is embedded within the HTML source.

I actually had a problem being able to automatically validate that the ads were in place, because *I* couldn't even detect it. I did figure out a way to do it by having the system insert a unique/random HTML comment tag while the validation happens. But the tag is always different, and only turned on for the split second the validation routines happen. It's also a good way to make sure people aren't spoofing the ads to make it look like they are serving them without actually doing it.


I guess my question is "Is this idea truely scalable?" and "What other features do you intend to ad to improve relevancy when the network grows?"
I think it should be scalable, I mean I don't see why it wouldn't be.

Once the network grows will probably add things like the ability for site owners to classify the type of ads they have, then allow other users to optionally set their ads to only show certain types of ads.

[digitalpoint]

How do I edit the desc. paragraph?

I need to shorten the paragraph but only had options for enable or delete.

Thanks
Easiest is just delete and re-add.

The reason there is not an edit option is because ads are all reviewed before they are approved, so being able to edit existing ads would defeat the purpose.

[GuyFromChicago]

Do you think search engines will ever be able to penalize such a network if it grows to a large size?

Initially I signed up, but I am super conservative when it comes to things that may eventually garner some sort of penalty.

I guess my question is "Is this idea truely scalable?" and "What other features do you intend to ad to improve relevancy when the network grows?"


Even if the SE's did penalize this (which I highly doubt they will) just yank the couple lines of code out of your forum and you're in the clear.

It's an awesome program - I'm happy to participate.

[awall19]

I gotta fix my template on my site as it is still the ugly default MT one. after I fix that and figure out where to add stuff I think it would probably be a good call. I added the stuff in and got it to work, but currently my individual post templates look a little caca and need some fixin :(

cool program though. :)

[flawebworks]

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On occasion we will manually review/allow other sites into the ad network that are deemed worthy
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I don't have a blog as yet on my site - if I put one on it will be wordpress. I would love to participate, however. Would you consider my normal site?

Site is in my sig.

[digitalpoint]

Sure, if you can get them working on your site... What type of web server are you running?

The primary reason it's not freely open to everyone is everyone has different types of sites, and it's hard to try and support the "how-to get it to work with your site" questions. ;)

[GuyFromChicago]

Sure, if you can get them working on your site... What type of web server are you running?


Looks like he did, I went to his site and they are at the bottom of the page.

BTW, I'm now obsessed with ANWR (ad network weight rank). PR is in my past :D

[GuyFromChicago]

Hey, I had someone sign up and they sent me the following:

"I signed up and got the code, but I am getting Access Forbidden from that .htaccess file. Do you know what may cause that?"

Any ideas?

[digitalpoint]

I updated the code to add an additional RewriteCond line (that checks to see if the file on the server actually exists). This fixes a problem where if a URL was http://www.domain.com/ but they don't enter the trailing slash.

Do they get the error if they use the trailing slash (the proper URL), and if it works like that, have them grab the updated .htaccess code.

[flawebworks]

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Sure, if you can get them working on your site... What type of web server are you running?

The primary reason it's not freely open to everyone is everyone has different types of sites, and it's hard to try and support the "how-to get it to work with your site" questions
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It's an apache server version 1.3.31, running php 4.3.3. Linux.

I've almost got it working. I *can* get it to work; but the passthru.php trashes my css, and the other php includes I'm using for rss and the footer, and the site looks like ..... Or; it will double everything on the page.

I changed the 'index.html' to index.php in the passthru.php file; that's when everything doubled - but your banners did work. Then I tried changing the index.php to /; with an include on the page: the page came up correctly, but your banners didn't, and didn't work at all if I removed the include and went with the .htaccess calling the passthru.php.

What I'm wondering is if I add all of the phpincludes into the passthru file; if that will work, and load it correctly.

THis page works somewhat:

http://flawebworks.com/adtest.php

But; the rss feeds don't work, nor does the footer. I'm calling the passthru.php with a php require_once, and index.php in the passthru file.

I'm sure I can get it to work. It may take beating my head against the wall for a coupla days but I'll be able to do it.

I think....

<edit> Haven't tried it on a normal html file yet.

[Dodger]

Hi Shawn,

It was I that is having problems.

Yes, I did put in the trailing slash in the submittal form. I have it set for http://www.webstractions.com/news/

But I think the problem is in the .htaccess file.

I have the latest .htaccess I guess. It it the one in his setup. If that is the latest.


RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /news/
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !passthru.php
RewriteRule ^(.*) passthru.php?file=$1

I have that in my /news/ directory along with the passthru.php (the blog directory per instructions).

It is a Blogger Blog. I updated my template ... you can see the comment in the pages now.

Blog is at http://www.webstractions.com/news/ (filename is index.html)

I can access the root of the domain (obviously), but not the news directory or any subdirectories of the news directory (forbidden).

I have removed the .htaccess code in order to regain access.

Any thoughts, as to what may be wrong?

Also, If I get this working .... can it be used on the Archive files too? Those are in a sub-directory to the /news/ directory. This is where the ads will be getting the majority of impressions due to the subscriptions I have on the feeds ... they will click directly through to those pages.

Thanks in advance.

[digitalpoint]

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Sure, if you can get them working on your site... What type of web server are you running?

The primary reason it's not freely open to everyone is everyone has different types of sites, and it's hard to try and support the "how-to get it to work with your site" questions
=======

It's an apache server version 1.3.31, running php 4.3.3. Linux.

I've almost got it working. I *can* get it to work; but the passthru.php trashes my css, and the other php includes I'm using for rss and the footer, and the site looks like ..... Or; it will double everything on the page.

I changed the 'index.html' to index.php in the passthru.php file; that's when everything doubled - but your banners did work. Then I tried changing the index.php to /; with an include on the page: the page came up correctly, but your banners didn't, and didn't work at all if I removed the include and went with the .htaccess calling the passthru.php.

What I'm wondering is if I add all of the phpincludes into the passthru file; if that will work, and load it correctly.

THis page works somewhat:

http://flawebworks.com/adtest.php

But; the rss feeds don't work, nor does the footer. I'm calling the passthru.php with a php require_once, and index.php in the passthru file.

I'm sure I can get it to work. It may take beating my head against the wall for a coupla days but I'll be able to do it.

I think....

<edit> Haven't tried it on a normal html file yet.

Are you files PHP based? If you are already using a footer file, you could probably just add it to that since the other files (I'm assuming) already read it. Could be done with SSI or PHP (if the footer was already a PHP file).

[digitalpoint]

Hi Shawn,

It was I that is having problems.

Yes, I did put in the trailing slash in the submittal form. I have it set for http://www.webstractions.com/news/

But I think the problem is in the .htaccess file.

I have the latest .htaccess I guess. It it the one in his setup. If that is the latest.


RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /news/
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !passthru.php
RewriteRule ^(.*) passthru.php?file=$1

I have that in my /news/ directory along with the passthru.php (the blog directory per instructions).

It is a Blogger Blog. I updated my template ... you can see the comment in the pages now.

Blog is at http://www.webstractions.com/news/ (filename is index.html)

I can access the root of the domain (obviously), but not the news directory or any subdirectories of the news directory (forbidden).

I have removed the .htaccess code in order to regain access.

Any thoughts, as to what may be wrong?

Also, If I get this working .... can it be used on the Archive files too? Those are in a sub-directory to the /news/ directory. This is where the ads will be getting the majority of impressions due to the subscriptions I have on the feeds ... they will click directly through to those pages.

Thanks in advance.

It should work for that folder and all sub-folders (archives for example) when you put the .htaccess and passthru.php in the root of the blog (the news folder?) I tested with a test blog that was also in a sub-folder and it seems to work fine (including archive folders).

But obviously something isn't right on your setup for some reason.

Are you able to access your http error logs to see if it says anything about the 403 errors?

[flawebworks]

Are you files PHP based? If you are already using a footer file, you could probably just add it to that since the other files (I'm assuming) already read it. Could be done with SSI or PHP (if the footer was already a PHP file).

Only a few files are php based; because of the rss feeds. The footer is a .shtml file, I did add the code to that. I haven't tried renaming it to footer.php. I'll try that next.

[Dodger]

But obviously something isn't right on your setup for some reason.

Are you able to access your http error logs to see if it says anything about the 403 errors?

I am checking the error logs now. I am also emailing the Host on this too, his first thought was folder permissions. Mine are set to 777. Would that matter?

I will get back to you on the server errors.

[digitalpoint]

Only a few files are php based; because of the rss feeds. The footer is a .shtml file, I did add the code to that. I haven't tried renaming it to footer.php. I'll try that next.

If you change it to PHP, all you would need to do is:

readfile('http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php');

Or whatever variation of the URL you use (to determine ad types/colors).

[digitalpoint]

I am checking the error logs now. I am also emailing the Host on this too, his first thought was folder permissions. Mine are set to 777. Would that matter?

I will get back to you on the server errors.

No, I don't think the file permissions would matter..

[Dodger]

12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:26:57 -0400] "GET /news/ HTTP/1.1" 403 293 "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:28:19 -0400] "GET /news/ HTTP/1.1" 403 293 "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:29:02 -0400] "GET /news/ HTTP/1.1" 403 293 "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:40 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 10059 "-"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:41 -0400] "GET /rsc/ie.css HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:41 -0400] "GET /img/wf_watermark.gif HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:41 -0400] "GET /img/bg.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:41 -0400] "GET /img/hdr_logo.gif HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:30:43 -0400] "GET /news/ HTTP/1.1" 403 293 "http://www.webstractions.com/"
12.178.132.94 - - [09/Jul/2004:01:31:27 -0400] "GET /news/ HTTP/1.1" 500 621 "http://www.webstractions.com/"

This is the part of the logs where I was having the problem. Of course, this just tells me the same thing I was seeing. 4o3 :(

The last line (I think) is where I revised the .htaccess file to say RewriteBase news/ (without the leading slash) Still now go.

[domokun]

Cool idea - I like that you continually try to come-up with innovative, clever ideas. I think my next MT site will use these ads - thanks again

[Fishing Forum]

Hi

Great idea and it will be very interesting on how it develops

[compar]

Shawn,

1. I've tried to login with my standard username and password and I don't get any error message but I also don't seem to be logged in???

2. You left the "o" out of the word account on the login page.

3. Can I join with my InfoPool? It is hosted on a FreeBSD server running Apache. The only problem may be that the page use FrontPage extensions and as a result the .htaccess file is not really available. However we can use Apache mod_rewrite.

[flawebworks]

If you change it to PHP, all you would need to do is:

readfile('http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php');

Or whatever variation of the URL you use (to determine ad types/colors).


I tried changing the footer.shtml file to footer.php and that worked. That's as far as I went last nite; I'll try the above next.

Thanks.

[jonnyplatt]

oooh, now this looks very interesting :)

I've signed up but haven't put the code up yet - just have a couple of questions:

1 - I assume if you're using readfile("adcoop.server/ads.php"); it serves the ads based on the hostname - do you do this as a whole string (eg www.hostname.com) or as just the domain (eg shoes.hostname.com and bananas.hostname.com would work)? Just wondering since my pages are split across quite a few subdomains..

2 - ummm.. im sure i had at least three, sorry, i'll come back when ive found my brain :)

[jonnyplatt]

oh yeah, heres one : you can select banner or text ad, but i can't see how you create a text banner? do you put an html file in the url of banner image bit, or does it just not exist yet?

[flawebworks]

If you change it to PHP, all you would need to do is:

readfile('http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php');

Or whatever variation of the URL you use (to determine ad types/colors).

Got it working, using the readfile thingy above in the footer.php: no need for the passthru.php either.

Now:

How do I get the ad to center? Whether I use a text banner or a link it just sits over to the left of the page. I want it to center and putting in center tags no worky. It should have picked up because I tried to add it in the footer section. Also; is there a way I can change the text banner itself to white?

Hmm.

Thank you for all of your utilities Shawn and your assistance. You are brilliant!

[flawebworks]

oh yeah, heres one : you can select banner or text ad, but i can't see how you create a text banner? do you put an html file in the url of banner image bit, or does it just not exist yet?

In your control panel; when you select Create New Ad; choose text, then you need to fill out the form. Put in whatever you want in the text box and submit. It will be there.

[digitalpoint]

This is the part of the logs where I was having the problem. Of course, this just tells me the same thing I was seeing. 4o3 :(

The last line (I think) is where I revised the .htaccess file to say RewriteBase news/ (without the leading slash) Still now go.

To be honest, I'm not sure, it's a bit difficult to try and troubleshoot without having access to the server.

You could do it with an SSI or something else (if your server can run SSI) I suppose.

[digitalpoint]

Shawn,

1. I've tried to login with my standard username and password and I don't get any error message but I also don't seem to be logged in???
Did you create an account with your standard username and password?


2. You left the "o" out of the word account on the login page.
Opps... fixed. :)


3. Can I join with my InfoPool? It is hosted on a FreeBSD server running Apache. The only problem may be that the page use FrontPage extensions and as a result the .htaccess file is not really available. However we can use Apache mod_rewrite.
Sure... if you can figure out how to include them. I could tell you how to do it with mod_rewrite (in .htaccess or httpd.conf) or with SSI, but beyond that, I haven't gotten into other methods for non-blog/forum sites.

[digitalpoint]

oooh, now this looks very interesting :)

I've signed up but haven't put the code up yet - just have a couple of questions:

1 - I assume if you're using readfile("adcoop.server/ads.php"); it serves the ads based on the hostname - do you do this as a whole string (eg www.hostname.com) or as just the domain (eg shoes.hostname.com and bananas.hostname.com would work)? Just wondering since my pages are split across quite a few subdomains..
No, it's not based on hostname at all. The ads are served regardless of host (or any host for that matter).


oh yeah, heres one : you can select banner or text ad, but i can't see how you create a text banner? do you put an html file in the url of banner image bit, or does it just not exist yet?
There is an option to create a graphic banner, or a text banner in the normal interface (it's a radio button toggle). For the raw text ad, it simply takes the destination URL and anchor text you picked for your ad. So there isn't a need to create separate ones for them.

[digitalpoint]

Got it working, using the readfile thingy above in the footer.php: no need for the passthru.php either.

Now:

How do I get the ad to center? Whether I use a text banner or a link it just sits over to the left of the page. I want it to center and putting in center tags no worky. It should have picked up because I tried to add it in the footer section. Also; is there a way I can change the text banner itself to white?

Hmm.

Thank you for all of your utilities Shawn and your assistance. You are brilliant!
Normal HTML formatting will work
For example you could echo '<center>'; before the readfile and echo '</center>'; after the readfile.

[flawebworks]

Normal HTML formatting will work
For example you could echo '<center>'; before the readfile and echo '</center>'; after the readfile.

I never would have thought of that. It worked beautifully! Thank you!

[Fishing Forum]

Hi

Just thinking with my cup of coffee - how is this regulated as in someone joining putting up thier ad but not displaying it on thier site or just putting it on one page

Sorry for the dum question but hay thats what I here for :rolleyes:

OH western union are showing 50% of the time yet cannot find were they are displaying the ads

[digitalpoint]

Hi

Just thinking with my cup of coffee - how is this regulated as in someone joining putting up thier ad but not displaying it on thier site or just putting it on one page

Sorry for the dum question but hay thats what I here for :rolleyes:
Sites are revalidated daily.

OH western union are showing 50% of the time yet cannot find were they are displaying the ads
Technically it's 26% (and dropping as more people join) of the time as of right now.

The sendwu.com ads are mine (the same weights apply to me as other people, so there is no overrides going on). I gave 25,000 unique pages of content for the ad network, so that's why my weight is high.

[Fishing Forum]

Thanks for the infor and the effort youve put in guess I ow you a beer or two

Very much looking forward to the result of this project

[rocky]

Is there any way we can have ad sizes, and can you/we use CSS? The grey is kind of ugly. I think a table with 4px padding, a background of #eeeeee and Verdana 11 point is a nice default look that can go with most sites using a white background.

P.S. If you mess up on the form, it clears all the fields too. Looking forward to getting this started!

[digitalpoint]

You can control the background color already (check the setup page). The background color is set by the site displaying the ads, not by the person creating the ads.

For ad size, you could always just use the text link option (also under setup) and format it however you want.

[flawebworks]

If I put the ad on 3 pages or 4, whatever, can I just use the one ad all across the board or do I have to setup several going to each page in the admin panel?

[digitalpoint]

No, you can use a single one if you want.

But... the ad network is designed for sitewide ads (that is how the weight is determined). So when they are validated, it picks random pages from the site to validate.

Also, if you wanted to just do text only link, you could use this as your URL to grab them:

http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php?type=link

[Will.Spencer]

The primary reason it's not freely open to everyone is everyone has different types of sites, and it's hard to try and support the "how-to get it to work with your site" questions. ;)

I see that. :D

I am yet another FreeBSD/Apache guy. I will probably try to get it working here, even though I don't sell anything on the web. :cool:

Another great idea Shawn!

[digitalpoint]

Well the two ways I know how to do it off the top of my head would be:

The same as how the Blogger blogs are done:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/ad-network/setup.php?type=3

(mod_rewrite which passes it through a PHP script that inserts the ad)

The other way that is simple is with SSI (server side include) if your server supports it:

If you have curl installed on your web server, you can use SSI to execute a shell command and pass through the results, like so:

<!--#exec cmd="/usr/bin/curl http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php" -->
(path to curl and ad URL may vary depending on how you want to set it up).

[compar]

Did you create an account with your standard username and password?
No. It isn't clear from the page that you have to do that. It reads as if your other free tools login should work. But I'll do it.

Sure... if you can figure out how to include them. I could tell you how to do it with mod_rewrite (in .htaccess or httpd.conf) or with SSI, but beyond that, I haven't gotten into other methods for non-blog/forum sites.
When you say SSI are you talking Server Side Includes? Send me the info on httpd.conf and SSI and I'm sure I'll be able to get it up and running.

BTW how many web site owners have you got signed up so far?

[digitalpoint]

When you say SSI are you talking Server Side Includes? Send me the info on httpd.conf and SSI and I'm sure I'll be able to get it up and running.
See the post right before yours for info on both. :)


BTW how many web site owners have you got signed up so far?
I think around 40 unique sites...

[compar]

Piece of cake Shawn,

I had it set up and working in less than 15 minutes using the SSI script. Apparently my account is not yet activated, but your links are running on all my InfoPool (http://infopool.compar.com) pages at the bottom in the section head "Some links to our friends". Can you review these please and activate my account.

BTW please explain how to get the bonus referral points????

[compar]

I don't have room for, or like to run, normal banners on my site. My Adsense ads are all skyscrapper ads. Do you plan to add this format to the available ads?

[digitalpoint]

You are active... not sure about additional formats at this point, but it might happen at some point.

The referral bonus basically allows you to get 10% of the weight of people that are referred through your link (in your account there is a link to get the referral URL that is unique to you). Sort of like an affiliate program, except instead of money, you get ad impressions on the network.

[GuyFromChicago]

Hey Shawn, quick question. I know that each participants weight is determined by a number of factors….site popularity, number of pages, etc.

What's the most important part element in determining the weight? My guess is it's number of pages you can display ads on, but that's just my guess

One other question too…after I refer someone into the network via my affiliate url how long until the weight bonus is assigned?

[digitalpoint]

You are right, the biggest factor is the number of pages you offer to put ads on.

Bonus is assigned instantly when they become a validated/active user.

[compar]

You are active... not sure about additional formats at this point, but it might happen at some point.

The referral bonus basically allows you to get 10% of the weight of people that are referred through your link (in your account there is a link to get the referral URL that is unique to you). Sort of like an affiliate program, except instead of money, you get ad impressions on the network.
Thanks. I'll check it out and probably add a referral link to the article I just wrote about accummulating backlinks.

BTW I am only showing text links. Does that mean I only get text links in return? And finally is there going to be reporting and stats for all these exchanges?

[digitalpoint]

Thanks. I'll check it out and probably add a referral link to the article I just wrote about accummulating backlinks.

BTW I am only showing text links. Does that mean I only get text links in return? And finally is there going to be reporting and stats for all these exchanges?
Doesn't matter what you show, it's up to the user that ads are shown on what types of ads to show. Your ads will show just as often regardless of ad type, and they will show in the format (and color) that the user chooses on the site they are displayed on.

As far as stats... it's doubtful, I don't really want to get into storing such a massive amount of data on the backend.

[compar]

As far as stats... it's doubtful, I don't really want to get into storing such a massive amount of data on the backend.
I've just been thinking about this a little more. These ads/links are never going to show up on Google as backlinks.

Even if they are on a page when Google crawls it the next time around Google is going to find another link in the same place and hence drop your link. So the only real value of these links are for users to actually click on. Oh my God! the original concept of a link. How innovative is that :D

[digitalpoint]

I've just been thinking about this a little more. These ads/links are never going to show up on Google as backlinks.

Even if they are on a page when Google crawls it the next time around Google is going to find another link in the same place and hence drop your link. So the only real value of these links are for users to actually click on. Oh my God! the original concept of a link. How innovative is that :D
Want to bet they show as back links?

It will use whatever links are there for it's last known spidering when it calculates back links. It's a numbers game. Hundreds of thousands of pages with ads, you are always going to get some links at any one point.

Look how many links internet.com gives bluefind.com, even though it's random, and they aren't guaranteed a link on any specific page.

[GuyFromChicago]

I actually like this method as much if not more than a "standard" link. If you lose a link on site XYZ, you'll probably gain one on site ABC. The comparison/reference to bluefind is great, as Internet.com uses a similar program and look what it did for bluefind.

Will you get backlinks from this - absolutely.

I posted this on my forum:

"as a "test" I set up a brand new site two days ago that does not have a single link pointing to it. I placed one text ad in the ad network coop to see what effect a single ad (out of 5 total in my ad set) can have on new site with no other links. After the next PR & backlink update I'll post the site's URL and results…just don't want to post any links to the new site prior to the next update. Should be interesting."

Here's a link (http://www.theforumzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=351&page=1&pp=10) to the actual thread if anyone is interested in seeing how it turns out.

[Help Desk]

SEO
SEO Guy professional SEO Services

Here's my first text ad. Congrats SEOGuy!

[l0cke]

From the Google AdSense FAQ:
5. Can I sign up if I am already a part of an ad network?
Yes. However, we do not permit Google ads to be published on web pages that also contain what could be considered competing ads. This would include all content-targeted ads as well as text-based ads. Text-based ads, for this situation, can be loosely defined as ads that mimic Google texts ads or appear to be associated with Google text ads on your site. We do allow affiliate or limited-text links.So would it be ok to display these ads on the same page as google AdSense ads?

[digitalpoint]

Seems like it would be okay to me...

Text-based ads, for this situation, can be loosely defined as ads that mimic Google texts ads or appear to be associated with Google text ads on your site.
And they definitely do not mimic Google ads...

[l0cke]

Seems like it would be okay to me...


And they definitely do not mimic Google ads...I agree, just needed to hear it from someone else to re-assure myself :). BTW - the free ad network is an awesome idea, thanks for bringing it to the community!

[flash-seo]

What if I wanted to display more than one link? I of course realize that I could just call the php script say 5 times, but I'd like them to be all different?

[digitalpoint]

What if I wanted to display more than one link? I of course realize that I could just call the php script say 5 times, but I'd like them to be all different?

It's something I've thought about, and haven't quite worked out some minor logistics on that yet. But it probably will be an option at some point.

[compar]

It's something I've thought about, and haven't quite worked out some minor logistics on that yet. But it probably will be an option at some point.
You could show three different ads right now couldn't you? A text only, a text banner and a full banner. Just modify the "http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php?type=link" string by changing the type=.

[digitalpoint]

No, it would still only show one (it would default to graphic or text banner).

[compar]

No, it would still only show one (it would default to graphic or text banner).
Go to http://www.compar.com/infopool/articles/news2vs10.html. Look on the bottom of the page. There are some text links which include one of the network's and then below it is a banner ad. I didn't try and load the SSI a third time, bu I don't see why it wouldn't work???????

Check out the source code.

[digitalpoint]

Go to http://www.compar.com/infopool/articles/news2vs10.html. Look on the bottom of the page. There are some text links which include one of the network's and then below it is a banner ad. I didn't try and load the SSI a third time, bu I don't see why it wouldn't work???????

Check out the source code.

I can't check the source code because I don't have access to your server. But I 100% guarantee you are calling it twice on your end. There is absolutely no way two ads can be served with a single request to the ad server. And even if it was possible (which I again stress it's not), it would be rather difficult to insert one ad, then more of your HTML, then another ad after that. :)

Maybe you are using multiple methods on accident? (SSI and mod_rewrite for example)

[compar]

I can't check the source code because I don't have access to your server. But I 100% guarantee you are calling it twice on your end. There is absolutely no way two ads can be served with a single request to the ad server. And even if it was possible (which I again stress it's not), it would be rather difficult to insert one ad, then more of your HTML, then another ad after that. :)

Maybe you are using multiple methods on accident? (SSI and mod_rewrite for example)
Of course I'm calling it twice. That what I meant when I said you could load it three time with a different "?type=" string in each call. How is that different than the question about running multiple ads on a single page?

BTW what is your connection with Western Union. I just had a bit of a bad experience with them.

[digitalpoint]

Of course I'm calling it twice. That what I meant when I said you could load it three time with a different "?type=" string in each call. How is that different than the question about running multiple ads on a single page?

BTW what is your connection with Western Union. I just had a bit of a bad experience with them.

Oh yeah... well you shouldn't run multiple ads on one page... no real purpose. Plus it makes extra requests to the ad server. If you really want to do it, wait until I add a real function for it. :)

Re: Western Union... no real affiliation, other than I have a WU affiliate site (www.sendwu.com).

[compar]

Oh yeah... well you shouldn't run multiple ads on one page... no real purpose. Plus it makes extra requests to the ad server. If you really want to do it, wait until I add a real function for it. :)
Wow! We seem to be way off understanding each other on this issue. I don't want to run multiple ads.

You said in response to someone else's question that it could not be done. He talked about 5 different ads and I agree it can't be done under the present setup. But my point was that you can in fact run more than one ad now by calling the script more than once and modifying the "?type=" parameter.

I simply experiemented with it on one page to make sure I was correct. So:

1. I don't want to run multiple ads.

2. I never suggested it could be done with a single call of the script.

3. I showed that it could be done in exactly the way I asked you about in my first post on the issue. The one to which you reply "no it can't be done".

Hope that clears up the issue.

BTW I had a look at your Western Union Page. I have one suggestion. Why don't you center that page? It looks strange all over on the left hand side of a browser on a high resolution monitor.

[GuyFromChicago]

When I checked my account this morning I noticed that someone who had signed up using my affiliate ID was no longer listed in my account & I'm not rceiving a weight bonus for them. I checked their forum and the ads are still in place and being displayed.

Any ideas?

[digitalpoint]

Probably will want to ask them. They changed their URL to something that was not the base of their forum, and never validated it (or they may have but it would have never passed validation). So it took them out of the rotation. I changed it back and validated it for them, but you may want to ask them still why they changed it.

[GuyFromChicago]

Probably will want to ask them. They changed their URL to something that was not the base of their forum, and never validated it (or they may have but it would have never passed validation). So it took them out of the rotation. I changed it back and validated it for them, but you may want to ask them still why they changed it.

He indicated he didn't change anything, guess I'll just keep an eye on it.

[hulkster]

Want to bet they show as back links?

It will use whatever links are there for it's last known spidering when it calculates back links. It's a numbers game. Hundreds of thousands of pages with ads, you are always going to get some links at any one point.

Look how many links internet.com gives bluefind.com, even though it's random, and they aren't guaranteed a link on any specific page.

Just to ditto Shawn's comments, it all depends what is there when googlebot shows up and spiders the page. And while you might "miss" one time, the law of averages says you will get "some" hits ... and an interesting theory might be if googlebot sees a link, say 10 times in a 30-day period (assume daily crawls), does it "assume" that is really is there for purposes of back link/SERP calculations - if so, maybe triple back links!

As I've mentioned in private Shawn, this whole idea/concept is brilliant, and even though I don't run a blog/forum/PHP, I'm still considering using it via server-side-includes.

alek

[hulkster]

This looks fairly simple for "other" sites - as implied in Shawn's notes, it's simply a matter of using a Server Side Includes - for those that are interested - take a look at:
http://www.komar.org/dptest/
which describes what is on the page (since with SSI's, you never see the "behind the scenes magic" - only the resulting HTML - try doing a view source!)

I haven't quite decided how I want to use these, but I'm unclear how I can "validate" across all sub-URL's of www.komar.org (not sure I want to display the top page) ... and I might be interested in running on another site - do I have to seperately validate each sub-URL and each domain ... and ideally, I'd like to have ALL impressions contribute to my "score" ... ala Adsense.

I suspect Shawn is tracking by domain (since I can't figure out how else he would be doing it) so my guess is no on the multiple domains, but maybe he can "bless" anything that shows up under www.komar.org and then I can just go to town on that - plus it looks like you have to manually activiate/validate my account anyway.

Thanx,
alek


P.S. I'm a little confused about setting the background color - you said in post #41 that you can set the background color, but you then say the site displaying the ads sets it. On the setup page, it shows me the HTML, but I can't seem to modify the color from #000000 (?)

[digitalpoint]

P.S. I'm a little confused about setting the background color - you said in post #41 that you can set the background color, but you then say the site displaying the ads sets it. On the setup page, it shows me the HTML, but I can't seem to modify the color from #000000 (?)

The option isn't available for text links because they don't have a background. :)

[compar]

The option isn't available for text links because they don't have a background. :)
But is it available for text banners?

[digitalpoint]

But is it available for text banners?
Yes it is...

[piniyini]

There's just something I would like to clarify...

If a site owner displays the banner ad then he has more "weight" than someone who displays the text link and description ad and they have more weight than someone who only displays the text link ad, am I correct?

If so, good stuff and excellent program.

And now going slightly off topic, are you a professional php coder, I cant tell because you only refer to "coder".

Good stuff

[digitalpoint]

Currently the weighting formula does not differentiate between text ads or banner ads.

As far as my profession, I am a professional coder (that's what I do for a living), but it's not specific to just PHP. :)

[john_loch]

Shawn, could you provide some info, like:
How many sites are currently in rotation ? (This would be a simple addition to the acct info - perhaps it's worth including).
My other questions are: given the weighting being influenced by factors such as site size and popularity, how are these determined ?
And, in terms of reciprocation, if I provide 40,000 impressions a day, will I see this in return ?
I know you're trying to minimize overhead, but howabout simple theme/category controls ?

Cheers,
JL.

[digitalpoint]

56 sites are currently in rotation (some with as much as 100,000 pages with ads on them).

The biggest factor is number of pages that are offered for serving ads on the network.

The weighting across the network are not based on traffic of the site, but instead based on size (primarily) of the site. (Or at least hoe many pages are serving ad network ads). One reason for this is impressions are not logged on the backend. For high traffic sites (for example phpbb forums, or vBulletin forums that wanted to run them site-wide), I'm working on putting together something that will cut down on the server load to the ad server for the high traffic sites.

As far as theming, it will probably happen at some point, but need to get enough sites into the system first to make it worthwhile.

[john_loch]

Okidoki.

I just registered my .au Real Estate site. Let's' see how it goes :)

[hulkster]

56 sites are currently in rotation (some with as much as 100,000 pages with ads on them).

The biggest factor is number of pages that are offered for serving ads on the network.

The weighting across the network are not based on traffic of the site, but instead based on size (primarily) of the site. (Or at least hoe many pages are serving ad network ads). One reason for this is impressions are not logged on the backend.

Ummmmm ... so one's "score" is much higher if you have it on a bazillion pages (which may be accessed one time) rather than one page (which may be accessed a bazillion times).

Now that I think about I guess this kinda makes sense, since you are doing a Page Rank/Anchor Text play here and are targetting getting into the search engines, more than going for actual user impressions - right?

[GuyFromChicago]

Ummmmm ... so one's "score" is much higher if you have it on a bazillion pages (which may be accessed one time) rather than one page (which may be accessed a bazillion times).

Now that I think about I guess this kinda makes sense, since you are doing a Page Rank/Anchor Text play here and are targetting getting into the search engines, more than going for actual user impressions - right?

I think you hit the nail on the head.

More pages = higher weight = more impressions across the network.

IMO, this ad network is about having the search engines pick up the links…with the potential for actual live visitors to click on the ads as a secondary benefit.

[john_loch]

I think you hit the nail on the head.

More pages = higher weight = more impressions across the network.

IMO, this ad network is about having the search engines pick up the links…with the potential for actual live visitors to click on the ads as a secondary benefit.


Which is good, but (probably just coincidence), I'm noticing a hell of a lot of DP links in the mix. Not that I mind a little generosity where DP is concerned, but I'm curious as to what percentage remains for the pool.

Shawn ?

[digitalpoint]

The Digital Point ads are not weighted any higher than the rest. If you see the ad that actually says "Digital Point Solutions", that one shows as a default for someone without any ads (someone approved for the network, but has not yet created their ads).

[Will.Spencer]

<!--#exec cmd="/usr/bin/curl http://ads.digitalpoint.com/network.php" -->


OK, that was frighteningly easy.

I've set it up for one of my web sites... fifteen to go? :cool:

[Will.Spencer]

Here's my first text ad. Congrats SEOGuy!

That brings to mind yet another feature request.

I would definitely like to be able to block ads from undesirable advertisers.

[john_loch]

The Digital Point ads are not weighted any higher than the rest. If you see the ad that actually says "Digital Point Solutions", that one shows as a default for someone without any ads (someone approved for the network, but has not yet created their ads).

Ah ! That explains it. Thanks Shawn, I figured there had to be a reason. Actually, I can provide some useful feedback for you..

I was creating an ad, and had selected text. I filled in the URL and Anchor text fields, and submitted. I found it odd that the ad didn't appear in the 'ad pool' and figured it was just because it needed your validation.

I did this again after registering, just to be certain, but again nothing. It then dawned on me that it may need a DESCRIPTION, so I went back again, added a description, and voilla, my ad appeared in the pool.

As I don't care to have the description included, ie, I'm featuring links only, it didn't occur to me that I might have to complete the description field.

Perhaps some feedback in the interface to say, "Please include a description to lodge your ad" or something like that. Just laugh at me being stupid if in fact there's a big sign somewhere I missed - it's just that I know you're validating these manually.. so it's kinda difficult to guess what's what when going at it for the first time.

Cheers,
JL.

[digitalpoint]

Yeah... planning on adding some new things (including feedback on incomplete ads).

[john_loch]

I'm not sure that the significance of what you're doing here has dawned on your greater readership just yet. Perhaps this should be circulated a bit more..

Either way, I'm glad to see a linkage op consistent with linkage realities. Linkage per entry point, rather than per site is essential for larger sites. The irony of this is you're providing what the paid solutions don't.

I'm keen to see how it pans out :)

[vprp]

Couldn't find this anywhere but if I have one forum, could I promote multiple forums with different ads or can I only use one ad?

[jonnyplatt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyplatt
oooh, now this looks very interesting

I've signed up but haven't put the code up yet - just have a couple of questions:

1 - I assume if you're using readfile("adcoop.server/ads.php"); it serves the ads based on the hostname - do you do this as a whole string (eg www.hostname.com) or as just the domain (eg shoes.hostname.com and bananas.hostname.com would work)? Just wondering since my pages are split across quite a few subdomains..


No, it's not based on hostname at all. The ads are served regardless of host (or any host for that matter).

Sorry to go back so many pages - i've been away. I'm afraid I think you misunderstood me - what I meant is how are the ads tracked (ie which login is providing how many ad sites across how many pages) if you are not passing any parameters or basing it on the host and I have them coming from various subdomains? (and infact, some from giveasyouget.co.uk and some from giveasyouget.net?)

[vprp]

Couldn't find this anywhere but if I have one forum, could I promote multiple forums with different ads or can I only use one ad?

Sorry for posting the question. I just decided to sign up and check things out and I guess you can post multiple ads. Looks like my golf forum (http://www.golfrewind.com) will definitely be a part of this.

[jonnyplatt]

Sorry, yet another silly question - how do you make it display more than one text ad, as on Compar's InfoPool page? (or is that caused by the Text Banner rather than Text Link option?)

[digitalpoint]

Sorry to go back so many pages - i've been away. I'm afraid I think you misunderstood me - what I meant is how are the ads tracked (ie which login is providing how many ad sites across how many pages) if you are not passing any parameters or basing it on the host and I have them coming from various subdomains? (and infact, some from giveasyouget.co.uk and some from giveasyouget.net?)

If you have them on different domains, you would want to create different accounts (at least if you want credit for them), as it only looks for them within the URL you signed up with.

[digitalpoint]

Sorry, yet another silly question - how do you make it display more than one text ad, as on Compar's InfoPool page? (or is that caused by the Text Banner rather than Text Link option?)

It's not a supported option at this time.

[jonnyplatt]

If you have them on different domains, you would want to create different accounts (at least if you want credit for them), as it only looks for them within the URL you signed up with.

Sorry, I don't understand if you mean different logins for each host or different logins for each individual subdomain.
I can appreciate the .co.uk/.net split is a difficult thing to deal with but is there any way you could use eregi in your php script to detect the host - that way I could pop in giveasyouget.co.uk and it would log travel.giveasyouget.co.uk, books.giveasyouget.co.uk, etc.giveasyouget.co.uk - and those that typed in the full host - www.giveasyouget.co.uk - would be unaffected?

[digitalpoint]

The ad requests don't necessarily come from the host (and in most cases they don't because most things are virtual hosting these days). So that wouldn't work.

[jonnyplatt]

ummm... sorry to be dense then, but how exactly does the page weighting system work - how does it track which accout grabs what?
I'm guessing it's not a variable in ad_network.php else it wouldn't matter what host you put the ads on, so how does it do it except for by hostname or IP?
Sorry to be a pest, it just seems all quite confusing to me! :)

[jonnyplatt]

or is it done by doing a "site:xxxxx.com" in google?

[jonnyplatt]

OK, I'm sorry - 1 last question, I promise! :D

If I need to sign up for each subdomain, do I need to copy the individual code for each one, or can I use the same one across all of them? (You see, I use the same script so it would save a fair bit of effort :) )

[digitalpoint]

You can use the same script. The impressions are not logged (weighting is not based on it). It's based on how many pages you put ads on within your site.

[rocky]

I have the ads up on www.tblog.com (on the right side)

Care to post your links?

[digitalpoint]

What do you mean by post links? People post where the are running ads?

[rocky]

Yeah, I am curious to see what they are looking like.

[rocky]

What is more important? PageRank of the ad bearing pages, or the amount of ad bearing pages?

[digitalpoint]

The main factor determining weight is number of ad bearing pages.

[rocky]

This seems unfair. If I offer 10 PR6 pages, and the next guy offers 20 PR0 pages, he will have MORE weight than me?

P.S. Sorry to be annoying, just not sure I understand.

[GuyFromChicago]

This seems unfair. If I offer 10 PR6 pages, and the next guy offers 20 PR0 pages, he will have MORE weight than me?

P.S. Sorry to be annoying, just not sure I understand.

To me this is more about quantity than it is quality. Although with that said, the quality of participating sites is supurb.

It's a numbers game. You want your link on more pages on more sites. With a coop like this, the PR of any of the given pages is almost completely irrelavent. If given a choice of a single PR8 anchor text link on one site vs 500 PR 0-2 anchor text links on 75 different sites I'll take the PR0-2 links any day of the week.

[digitalpoint]

In the above scenario, you would have roughly 5x the weight of the person with twice the content.

I'm not going to disclose the exact weighting formulas (for the same reason Google doesn't disclose it's algorithms). Doing so opens it up to spamming to increase their weight.

But anything you can think of has probably already been taken into account within it.

[rocky]

I think matching up pages similar in PR would be more benificial. PR works on a base 5 system correct? This doesen't mathimatically ad up. How could 500 PR0-2's even come close?

[digitalpoint]

I don't think anyone really knows what base number PageRank works on. But bottom line is the ad network is not based on PageRank itself, so...

Also, participation is *not* about gaining PageRank, if that's what you are looking for, a better option would be to look for a PageRank based link exchange program.

[Nitin M]

I have it working for phpbb - is it worthwhile for me to writeup the modifications I made so other phpbb forums owners can join?

I also have a cold fusion version of the script working ...

Shawn - 1) is this okay, and 2) If yes, you want me to send it to you ?

[vprp]

I have it working for phpbb - is it worthwhile for me to writeup the modifications I made so other phpbb forums owners can join?

I also have a cold fusion version of the script working ...

Shawn - 1) is this okay, and 2) If yes, you want me to send it to you ?

Is phpbb spidered as easily as vB3 or do you have to install a spiderable hack? I think if someone with phpbb joins the ad network, they should have the spiderable forums hack installed (sorry, I don't know much about phpbb as I am a vB user).

[digitalpoint]

I have it working for phpbb - is it worthwhile for me to writeup the modifications I made so other phpbb forums owners can join?

I also have a cold fusion version of the script working ...

Shawn - 1) is this okay, and 2) If yes, you want me to send it to you ?

I have written up phpbb specific instructions already actually, I just needed someone to test them for me. I'm assuming you did it without my instructions, right?

As far as phpbb forums being allowed into the network, there will be certain restrictions on them (such as being spiderable).

[Nitin M]

Ah - I didn't see your instructions for phpbb ... I'll go look for them now and see if great minds think alike ;)

My forums are extremely spider friendly with all published (and some of my own) spider mods applied. :D

http://www.seopark.com/forums

[Nitin M]

I got to the phpBB install instructions by mucking with the URL param, but it doesn't look like you've published it yet?

Anyway - yeah I did it exactly the same except for the variable name.

So - I have lots of pages on sites written in cold fusion and I have re-written the ad_network.php in cold fusion so I can use <cfinclude in my footers for cold fusion based sites ... is this going to be acceptable?

[digitalpoint]

Yeah, should be fine...

[pyc]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see this systems is nothing more than a classic 1:1 banner exchange?

[john_loch]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking at first too. And if you're looking for an impression based system (ie 1:1) there's loads out there.

The thing that struck me was the option to rotate through literally dozens of different anchor/url pairs. So rather than having 100 of the same anchor and url appear on 100 potentially nonspiderable pages, here you have the option to feature links to a variety of your site's individual pages, with seperate anchor texts appearing on pages that are spiderable - (at least that's how I vew it anyway).

Point being, you go open an account with, say, Linksmanager. You pay your money. How many discreet anchor text/url pairs can you use for your acct ? 1. How do you get them out there ? Email (which you can't change either - the initial email is in a fixed format). I know links manager is not a banner exchange program, but at the end of the day, links are links.

In many regards, I figure this to be more sophisticated than your usual banner exchange (and it's managed by a known entity and discussed on an open forum).
It's only drawback is your usual banner exchange will specifically state the impression ratios. This one can't because it's not based on impressions. Rather a mix of site size, and PR as I understand it. It's capped too, so if you have a large site (as I do), with moderate PR, then you still don't have any rediculous weightings.

That's my take anyway. I'm yet to see the advantages, because I've not been in it long enough, but for me the potential advantages outweigh the risk. :)

All we need now is to see the ads appearing on Shawns DP home page, for the sake of confidence ;)

[GuyFromChicago]

That's my take anyway. I'm yet to see the advantages, because I've not been in it long enough, but for me the potential advantages outweigh the risk. :)



I've started to see the advantages..the search engines have started to pick up on some of the new links. I know the links are related to the program due to the sites I'm seeing them show up for.

What risks?

[Nitin M]

Suggestion: I think it would be useful to show in the control panel how many contributed pages the system is basing its weighting on.

I understand why you don't want to publish all the specific factors of the weight but the outcome of this is that we as members can't validate in any way they we are being given the correct weighting.

But, since we already know the number of pages contributed to the network is one of the highest factors, at least giving us this number would allow us to know if you have made the correct assessment for number of pages contributed.

Thanks!

[rocky]

I have been throwing a temper tantrum over here:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=17246&posted=1#post17246

I apologize but I really want to understand this whole thing better. Can we talk about this QUALITY VS. QUANTITY thing a bit more???

[john_loch]

..What risks?

The risk is in linking to unknown quantities. It'll impact in different ways for different ppl, but in most cases the risk is minimal, which was my point really. :)

[cgo85]

What is a good rating/ranking on this tool? It seems to be based on quantity of pages it is showing on within a certain site.

[GuyFromChicago]

The risk is in linking to unknown quantities. It'll impact in different ways for different ppl, but in most cases the risk is minimal, which was my point really. :)

I think the only time there would be any "risk" is if questionabls sites/ads were included in the network. As long as the network is "clean" I dont have any concerns.

[t2dman]

if you have forgotten your username/passwords, how can they be retrieved?

[digitalpoint]

I need to write a password retrieval system for it. But for now, PM me your email and I can look it up for you.

[Sheepish]

The domain I'm after putting the coop on has quite a few other pages which are generated on the fly by a cgi script...when I try to "auto validate" it says I can't because a page I have hasn't got your code on. Any way around this? Or is there a way to put php code in a perl script?

Thanks

Sheepo

[SEbasic]

There is a Perl script available if you search the forum for it. :)

(I think)

[Kadence]

Hmm...is it pronounced "coop", like a chicken coop, or "co-op", as in cooperative?

[T0PS3O]

co-op as in co-operation :)

[Kadence]

co-op as in co-operation :)
Thanks :)

But... the ad network is designed for sitewide ads (that is how the weight is determined). So when they are validated, it picks random pages from the site to validate.

So any site doing this has to do sitewide ads? What about for sub-domains--are those treated separately?

And can you easily transfer the weight received from a site where you're placing Coop ads, to another site that you want to get ads for?

[Patient]

sub-domains are treated seperately - only one account per domain but you can choose to run the ads in a single directory.

You don't need to advertise the site that runs the ads.

[sudhani]

Hi,

Thanx Shawn for all your tools.

I design all my sites in static html pages. Is there anyway that I can participate?


Sudha

[SEbasic]

Read the FAQ.

[adamjthompson]

Hi,

Thanx Shawn for all your tools.

I design all my sites in static html pages. Is there anyway that I can participate?


Sudha

Certainly. Edit your htaccess file so that your server will run your html files as php files. :-)

[livingearth]

I have several sites I would like to add. Do I need to create a new account and username for each?

[john_loch]

Unfortunately yes.

I recall somewhere (a long time ago) Shawn imported a large list for the odd person, but I think it was a pretty large list..

Cheers,

JL

[livingearth]

I would love to know who gave me negative feed back on this thread for my previous posted question. Wusses never give their names...

[Pinny]

Do people sell ads on this network?

[MarketExpert]

Thanks for the link

[BlueDevilMedia]

Thanks for the link

Why would you unbury a thread that is over a year old??

[Professional Dude]

Just joined, but i am getting this error


Warning: mysql_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /home/.sites/28/site1/web/tools/ad-network/db_mysql.php on line 158

Warning: mysql_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /home/.sites/28/site1/web/tools/ad-network/db_mysql.php on line 158

Warning: mysql_query(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL-Link resource in /home/.sites/28/site1/web/tools/ad-network/db_mysql.php on line 158

[ecafe]

I think that there are some database issues.

I can't log into my account and the lookup account option isn't sending the password even though it says the email's been sent.

Hopefully they can resolve the issues soon.

[ecafe]

Update to my comments above.

I checked on IE and works fine. And it appears the issue was only with Firefox. For some reason can't login on my FF browser.

[Trusted Writer]

For some reason can't login on my FF browser.

Maybe s not for "some reason" but due to FireFox's bugs if you have any of those beta versions in between upgrades.

[Hitman11]

Does the category / theme you select for your site (mine was recreation) establish what ads show up on your site? Or is it more for determining what type of sites my ads will appear?

[citisale]

Shawn...I have sent 2 requests to find out the cost of a banner ad on this site, and received no reply/ticket...also, I want to find out if the guy that adverises the 2.5 emails id fair dinkum or F.o.S....can you advise, please, on both...thanks mate.

[hiero]

do people still use this service?

[Ammad]

Is there any earning to do that. If yes than how much.