Ringtone Conversions Down Today?

[capitalistpig]

I noticed yesterday that conversions started to dip and today is simply horrible. When I say horrible, I mean epc's going from .60-.70 down to .08.

Is anyone else seeing a significant decline? My rep said that she's heard a couple others mention it but there seems to be no explanation.

[dealasite]

Man, your epc's were real strong. I don't know about ringtones, but a lot of my offers are sucking today.

[SonicReducer]

I am having an average to good day on my offers. I don't do ringtones though.

[xboxundone]

yes ringtones are down some yesterday and today but not that drastic for me.

[MaxS]

Excuse me if this is too unrelated, but my conversions are down today with an unrelated offer. I doubt there is an correlation but I figured I'd put it out there.

[Shoemoney]

You havent really named a specific offer here so its hard to say but I will say this...

ringtones as a whole have started to become harder and harder to convert.. Its only going to get tougher. More competition mixed with merchants tightning up what qualifies as leads... ect..

[xboxundone]

You havent really named a specific offer here so its hard to say but I will say this...

ringtones as a whole have started to become harder and harder to convert.. Its only going to get tougher. More competition mixed with merchants tightning up what qualifies as leads... ect..

I agree ringtones are on a downhill slide the question is how long will the down hill las will it be shapr or over time... I have a feeling over time...

[capitalistpig]

You havent really named a specific offer here so its hard to say but I will say this...

ringtones as a whole have started to become harder and harder to convert.. Its only going to get tougher. More competition mixed with merchants tightning up what qualifies as leads... ect..

I was running the blinko offer for the last month or so as it always seemed to perform pretty well for me, at least better than dada and thumbplay. But going from about 50 leads a day to a paltry 2 leads, it would seem to me that something is wrong.

[xboxundone]

I was running the blinko offer for the last month or so as it always seemed to perform pretty well for me, at least better than dada and thumbplay. But going from about 50 leads a day to a paltry 2 leads, it would seem to me that something is wrong.

yea going to 2 leads is a big problem... i can understand afew less but from 50 to 2 is serious.

[linkpro]

Did you just switch to your 2.0 interface? Right after I switch leads went down to all offers. (that was 2 days ago)

[capitalistpig]

Did you just switch to your 2.0 interface? Right after I switch leads went down to all offers. (that was 2 days ago)

No, i've been on 2.0 for a few weeks now. I'll probably just switch links to another network until I figure out what's going on.

[nsusa]

Let's see how things turn out tomorrow. ;) One bad day would be too early to describe a trend.

Christoph

[int_josh]

ahh I guess you're feeling the heat already ;) lol

[Shoemoney]

yea going to 2 leads is a big problem... i can understand afew less but from 50 to 2 is serious.

ya totally 50 to 2... that is a pretty huge drop off

[xboxundone]

They are back to normal today for me Thanks goodness :)

[garland99]

Are you running Blinko offers? My Blinko Conversions have also plummeted since yesterday night.

[capitalistpig]

Are you running Blinko offers? My Blinko Conversions have also plummeted since yesterday night.

Yeah, I was running Blinko. I switched over to one of Maxbounty's offers and things seem to have stabilized, although it still isn't performing like it should be.

[marcowitsch]

Now anyone having the same issues with azoogle 2.0 ? Since three days my conversions are down to 40-50% of what i had before, but i receive twice as much traffic as before...

I tweaked all my landingpages at least 3 or 4 times and tweaked my campaigns, wrote new ads etc but it had no effect.

And now that i read storys like: "I switched to maxbounty and my conversions gone back from only 3/day to 50 leads"

I'll ask myself if there's any other possibility than that azoogle 2.0 has hardcore tracking issues?

[jeremy860]

I'll ask myself if there's any other possibility than that azoogle 2.0 has hardcore tracking issues?

I hate to say this but for my sake that would be awesome news cause then it would mean I am actually getting more than 2 leads a day LOL :p

[nsusa]

Rest assured that Azoogleads 1.0 does show the same pattern for me. ;) (: More traffic and clicks to the landing pages, but almost nothing on the Azoogle side.

Christoph

[dealasite]

I don't want to be overly paranoid, but what if the decline in leads is a result of adware hijacking some of the older, more established ringtone offers.

I was reading an article yesterday (http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/category/parasites-adware-spyware/) that talked about Zango adware stealing leads. Probably way off, but thought I'd throw it out there.

[Shoemoney]

hrmm for azoogle its not possible because its not cookie based (AFIAK)

with cj cookie stuffing/stealing is easy

[xboxundone]

I don't want to be overly paranoid, but what if the decline in leads is a result of adware hijacking some of the older, more established ringtone offers.

I was reading an article yesterday (http://affiliate-blogs.5staraffiliateprograms.com/category/parasites-adware-spyware/) that talked about Zango adware stealing leads. Probably way off, but thought I'd throw it out there.

This is possible but if this was the case i would expect it to not even show the click in your stats.... as most people are still reporting clicks but drops in leads...

Although my stats were normal for sunday untill afternoon.. I was doing fine but then like the next 400 clicks not a single lead :(

[marcowitsch]

@shoe, sure it could be possible, but i dont think its why the conversions went down.

You can script something that detects linkstructures and strip the affili id part off, inserting your own. But since azoogle 2.0 links are brandnew i dont think that this is the case.

Its tracking issues OR this is now that the azoogle landingpages are oversaturated and every customer has seen these pages already enough. I always said to my am i want white label pages with just the TOS and carriers and numberfield and build my own design around that =) Would be the best and there would be many, many unique landings that doesnt get oversaturated.



Since i know that azoogle is reading here: I am the first one that signes the "Give us white label pages with just an numberfield" petition! Everyone that wants them too, sign up ^^

[JP Sauve]

Perhaps all the conversion differences are at the campaign level and not network wide? Haven't seen any kind of the drop on Mobile Sidewalk on MaxBounty, actually just the opposite. So perhaps it's just the one campaign you're advertising on the other network which is causing you problems?

[xboxundone]

@shoe, sure it could be possible, but i dont think its why the conversions went down.

You can script something that detects linkstructures and strip the affili id part off, inserting your own. But since azoogle 2.0 links are brandnew i dont think that this is the case.

Its tracking issues OR this is now that the azoogle landingpages are oversaturated and every customer has seen these pages already enough. I always said to my am i want white label pages with just the TOS and carriers and numberfield and build my own design around that =) Would be the best and there would be many, many unique landings that doesnt get oversaturated.



Since i know that azoogle is reading here: I am the first one that signes the "Give us white label pages with just an numberfield" petition! Everyone that wants them too, sign up ^^


but there are some offers that have only been out a week or two that have this result..... so i dont completely think that would completely remedy the situation... but with just the number i think would give us ability to make things more unique...

[RawkusP]

Typical pattern for me is - First half of day goes really strong, high convertions, 2nd half of the day, 5-6 hours go by and only 1-2 leads on 1000 clicks!

It almost looks like someone is hitting the button to not credit additional leads, I hate to say it, but honestly I don't buy the fact that its the problem of ringtone market being saturated, something is definately not right.

How can you have days where all of the sudden your convertions drop like that for the second 1/2 of the day? It just doesn't make any sense.

[marcowitsch]

@JP Sauve

I've tried 5 different offers for ringtones, at least 4-5 different landingpages and still no change.

My ecpc was for months around .60-1.10, and now it's down to .10-.30 (and .30 is an great day) so i cant believe it's only an offer thingy.

I dont know what it is, tracking issues? The fact that EVERYBODY uses the "5" different azoogle landingpages? I dont know, but it's not me alone as it seems that has these issues in 2.0 version...

Currently i wait to get approved for the MB mobilesidewalk offer, if i see an increase like capitalistpig in leads again, theres definetely something wrong with azoogle, if not its something on my side.

We will see.

But the idea with the white label pages is still something that could give the ringtone market a new life again, since now every black sheep could write "free" above his landings, there would be nothing the networks have to fear.

It would be just an blank page with all the TOS, the carriers and an numberfield, im sure thi could help the whole market. Think about it dear network owners. :P

[AlexAzoogle]

Hi guys,

The numbers do look off on Blinko over the last few days. We are currently investigating the situation. If it turns out that there is an error or a problem with the offer, our publishers will be credited accordingly (as always).

Thanks for your patience and support. We should have an answer soon.

[RawkusP]

Thumbplay seems to be having similar problems as well as Blinko... I was at 6 cent ePC the other day.

[AlexAzoogle]

Looks like offer 3011 (Blinko) did experience a problem that was unique to AzoogleAds 2.0. Our techs have found it and fixed it. We will be crediting ALL affected publishers for all leads lost from the 18th through yesterday (and today). Leads will be posted into subid BONUS. We will use your past conversion averages to calculate the distribution. I will report back once its been posted.

Thanks again.

RawkusP, I can't tell which report you are looking at in your post and what date range. Send me a PM with that info or just email alex at azoogleads.com and I'll take a look at it. That offer tracks differently though and we can't see anything wrong with it.

Thanks.

[marcowitsch]

The issues i see and my decreased leads are with thumbplay, i tried all suboffers of thumbplay AND dada incl. all suboffers of dada too. So its possible that blinko wasnt the only offer with tracking issues?

[RawkusP]

Alex...I just sent you an e-mail regarding Thumbplay

[xboxundone]

The issues i see and my decreased leads are with thumbplay, i tried all suboffers of thumbplay AND dada incl. all suboffers of dada too. So its possible that blinko wasnt the only offer with tracking issues?


I saw the effect ( i am in 1.0 or legacy or whatever is no the 2.0 version) with the thmbplay/thumbplay variety of offers that it has decreased. .... the ONLY one that has seemed to hold steady is DADA.... to bad the payout is lower :(

SO i will be interested to see if there are issues with thumbplay/thumbplay variety tracking also as i had about same traffic but 1/2 the converts.

[MaxS]

Wow, I'm happy to see Azoogle has looked into this, solved the problem, and credited all the publishers. I just wish this was the case with the offers I'm promoting :).

[jeremy860]

I guess until this gets fixed and all leads start getting counted imma have to pause my campaign, just cant afford to blow away my testing money right now if our leads are'nt getting counted for sure.

[AlexAzoogle]

jeremy860:

The problem has been fixed, we're just writing a script for the lead distribution now.

Alex

[xboxundone]

jeremy860:

The problem has been fixed, we're just writing a script for the lead distribution now.

Alex

so was their no other issues found with the other azoogle ringtone offers?

[nsusa]

jeremy860:

The problem has been fixed, we're just writing a script for the lead distribution now.

Alex

Still sounds strange that you only refer to the Blink offer, but people - including myself - are reporting same problem patterns across the other offers, too.

Christoph

[Grant29]

I've also seen problems in the last couple of days with Thumbplay. Conversions are WAY down.

[holyearth]

Alex,

I noticed tracking problems on DaDa Mobile on the night of 10/23 as well as True. Perhaps the tracking system as a whole.

Can you check into this?

Thanks

[xboxundone]

Alex,

I noticed tracking problems on DaDa Mobile on the night of 10/23 as well as True. Perhaps the tracking system as a whole.

Can you check into this?

Thanks

I am experiencing issues this morning on dada also... i have contacted my AM he is looking into it to see if it is an issue or not...

[AlexAzoogle]

Guys,

Conversions on ringtone offers are NOT always fixed. They vary up and down based on SMS delivery, carrier availability, API response times, there are literrally dozens of reasons for why conversions go up or down all the time. This has nothing to do with Azoogle tracking or the tracking of the advertiser in general. There are many third parties involved.

THe issue we experienced with Blinko was a one-time occurrence that was a result of a programming error, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.
Alex

[xboxundone]

Guys,

Conversions on ringtone offers are NOT always fixed. They vary up and down based on SMS delivery, carrier availability, API response times, there are literrally dozens of reasons for why conversions go up or down all the time. This has nothing to do with Azoogle tracking or the tracking of the advertiser in general. There are many third parties involved.

THe issue we experienced with Blinko was a one-time occurrence that was a result of a programming error, nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks.
Alex


I believe we all realize there are issues.not just azoogle or other networks or the carriers or even our own sites.... just on the publisher end for Example with the blinko it was raised with direct managers but it took posting in public to get a response... To me it sounds like there may need to be a review of why several days after the occurrence and making it public is what it took to get it corrected. As we all realize there will be issues, and i feel that yall have addressed it slowly BUT properly by giving the publishers credit for lost leads... but since this is an Azoogle forum what is being done to prevent this from happening on other offers...

[AlexAzoogle]

xboxundone,

The blinko errors ocurred from Friday through Sunday, and it was addressed yesterday, on Monday. Not even 1 business day went by. Whether it was or wasnt posted about here, it would have been corrected.

[holyearth]

Alex,

Between 6pm and 12pm est on 10/23 leads on DaDa just stopped coming in. Clicks were coming in fine, but leads just stopped coming in. At the same time, I noticed the same thing on True. Clicks were updating, but no leads.

After a few hundred clicks came in, I paused the campaigns.

[AlexAzoogle]

Will look into it.

[AlexAzoogle]

Were you running it directly through AzoogleAds or through another network? AzoogleAds was tracking just fine on both True.com and DadaMobile, there were lots of people with lots of leads during those hours.