Welcome to our new overlords..."Papers Please" (national ID card passed)

[mopacfan]

I'm just curious how many of you have heard about our new national ID card and what your feelings are about this mess.

National ID Card Passed (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/05/real_id.html)

I know I feel so much safer...

[jlerner]

It sounds very "Mark of the Beast" to me...

[chachi]

I was just listening about it on NPR. I think it is a way for the US Gov't to pay catch up. I think that people assume the gov't is more organized than they are.

[Crazy_Rob]

I love how the Fed. government makes all of these laws/rules that the states have to follow. Yet they give the states no funding.

[Smyrl]

Big Bro is alive and well. I have been watching Texas Legislature this term. One of the bills, now amended, was to have everyone have a toll tag on their car complete with transponder by January 2006. Big Bro would compare toll tags with insurance database and issue citations based on info from toll tag and database. The toll tag is to go hand to hand with the huge grab for land for Trans Texas Corridor.

Shannon

[paymentapprovaltooslow]

Big Bro is alive and well. I have been watching Texas Legislature this term. One of the bills, now amended, was to have everyone have a toll tag on their car complete with transponder by January 2006. Big Bro would compare toll tags with insurance database and issue citations based on info from toll tag and database. The toll tag is to go hand to hand with the huge grab for land for Trans Texas Corridor.

Shannon

whata whata what now? :confused: ::confused:

[Crazy_Rob]

we have those in illinois, Smyrl.

You pay double the toll w/o it. Which is fine w/ me.

They could (conceivably) send me a speeding ticket based on how long it takes for me to get from one toll booth to another.

[chachi]

Sigh. All I can say is, move west. What a bunch of malarky.

[Smyrl]

we have those in illinois, Smyrl.

You pay double the toll w/o it. Which is fine w/ me.

They could (conceivably) send me a speeding ticket based on how long it takes for me to get from one toll booth to another.

My condolences. Are their other states out there doing this?

Shannon

[sji2671]

There is talk of ID cards in the UK, I guess the "war on terror" has provided a multitude of easy routes for the powers that be to justify a closer watch on all us little ants!

[paymentapprovaltooslow]

There is talk of ID cards in the UK, I guess the "war on terror" has provided a multitude of easy routes for the powers that be to justify a closer watch on all us little ants!


The reason why you aren;t praying to mecha is because of the war on terror..foo!

[AzAkers]

"...sounds like "Mark of the Beast" stuff...." for sure

[GTech]

Where I live in Texas (and I think we're in the same TIP OF TEXAS Smyrl) we don't even have toll roads. Just a lot of farm-to-market roads.

I don't mind the National ID. It was bound to happen sooner or later. But I miss my green military ID.

[jbw]

Have any of your read http://www.unrealid.com/index.html ?

Is this type of legislation a good thing? If so why would they need to slip it into another bill like this?

[noppid]

Why don't we tattoo bar codes on kids as soon as they are born too?

Maybe get the adults too. A tattoo right above the wrist.

Yeah, that's a good idea! :/

[mopacfan]

Why don't we tattoo bar codes on kids as soon as they are born too?

Maybe get the adults too. A tattoo right above the wrist.

Yeah, that's a good idea! :/
Tattoos are old fashioned. They should be "chipped" just like pets. So the RFID can tell any scanner close by who you are. Kinda like Minority Report.

[palespyder]

The we change our whole commerce system to work from that chip, access to your bank account, home computer, everything can be accessed by the government ;) Anyone else getting a "freedom without freedom" kinda feeling ;)

[Smyrl]

Where I live in Texas (and I think we're in the same TIP OF TEXAS Smyrl) we don't even have toll roads. Just a lot of farm-to-market roads.

I don't mind the National ID. It was bound to happen sooner or later. But I miss my green military ID.

I split my time between Midland and Jacksonville, Cherokee County, Texas. Current plans are to put a toll viable 69 Relief Route West of Jacksonville. If this goes in it will be limited access, meaning you could only enter at North and South ends on US 69 highway 175 and at a couple of farm to market roads. There will be no commercialization (food and gas facilities) along route other than those contracted out as political plumbs in center median. If route crosses your farm you will not be able to cross the road to get to farmland on other side without driving to one of the access points. Corridor watch map http://www.corridorwatch.org/ttc/map2002junepriority.htm shows we may have a corrridor just North of our town from Louisiana border to Dallas, and I69 going just East of town. (Map referenced does not show latest I69 route.) Dallas is breathing down our nect to put in a reservoir on Neches River just west of here.

The toll tag issue is addressed in HB 2893 (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/79R/billtext/HB02893I.HTM).

I realize Texas has tremendous problems with un-insurred motorists but original versioin of bill went way too far in my estimation.

Shannon

[Design Agent]

wThey could (conceivably) send me a speeding ticket based on how long it takes for me to get from one toll booth to another.

They do this on the motorways in France already

[Design Agent]

The reason why you aren;t praying to mecha is because of the war on terror..foo!

And the reason i am not praying to Mecca is - Im NOT muslim.

Muslims are NOT trying to invade the UK or US for that matter.

[jbw]

Tattoos are old fashioned. They should be "chipped" just like pets. So the RFID can tell any scanner close by who you are. Kinda like Minority Report.

Actually one of the requirments is that the cards be machine readable, and some of the potential plans for doing this include using RFID.

[GTech]

Muslims are NOT trying to invade the UK or US for that matter.

Incorrect. They already have. And we have numerous reports of their invasion through the Mexico border. There are news reports all the time of their of their activities in the US and UK.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=629208

[Crazy_Rob]

I hear banjos!

[nevetS]

This is sooo unnecessary. I bet you'll be able to get a high quality national id on the streets of LA before you can even get one from the government. It serves no purpose other than to bring us that much closer to 1984.

[Blogmaster]

Muslims are not trying to invade us? How do you guys know? If they had a chance to, do you think there is a chance they would try? What would happen if the Secret Service and the CIA took a long break or shut down? What if the Israeli army took a break? A lot of you guys seem to think that there is no danger because there have been no recent attacks. Did the bad guys come to their senses? Of course not.
We are adjusting to the danger from the Middle East and we do it as good as we can.
Especially the british and the US government. The last thing I need is an additional form of ID in my wallet. But if it helps keep the peace, maybe that should be something we have to have to protect ourselves.

Just my 2c. They say what we don't know won't hurt us. But yes indeed it can, it all depends on how much you allow your enemies to do. I think that overall it would be more costeffective for us in determining who really has a right to be here and who doesn't - I don't see this as a way to control the masses but rather a way to protect us.

I personally am tired of the "mark of the beast" speculations. Maybe this is a part of the end days but who knows ... I am not going to stand in the way of progress because something could mean more than it is. Everyone seems to have his/her own set of answers but I really don't. May God help us all, that's all I can say.

[Crazy_Rob]

So nobody knows the difference between Muslims and Al-Qaeda?

[Blogmaster]

I know that the Al-Quaeda guys are muslims and my opinion is that the muslim community is not trying hard enough to battle the bad apples.

[chachi]

Rob, you crack me up. The avatars, the one liners...it is all good.

I think that nobody has all of the answers. Surely, none of us do. I am one of those people that hates government knowing anything about me....I don't know why that is, maybe I read 1984 at too early of an age. I think a lot of the stuff that has been thrown at us in the past couple of years is over the top. But, the fact remains that we have not seen another attack here in the US since Sept of 2001. I am not a huge GWB, but I have to give him credit on this one.

I was in NY during Sept. 11th and I was staying 2 blocks from the Trade Center complex for 2 months afterwards. I know a lot of people who worked there and were there the day it happened. My heart is pounding now thinking about it. It is really tough when you think about all of this legislation and attempts to make this huge country a safer place for all of us. We were spoiled rotten and unfortunately some things are inevitably going to change. The biggest problem is that our Federal agencies are made up of a bunch of idiots for the most part. I have friends that are federal agents and I have met many others. It is pretty sad to be totally honest. I understand sometimes why they have to give them so much power...because if they don't, the 10% that are actually working and doing something won't be able to make any progress. Bah, I wish none of this ever happened.

[Blogmaster]

Bah, I wish none of this ever happened.
But is did and obviously our previous structure was not good enough to prevent any of it.

[Crazy_Rob]

...and my opinion is that the muslim community is not trying hard enough to battle the bad apples.

Do you know how many Muslims there are in the world?

[Blogmaster]

about 1 billion

[Blogmaster]

Rob, before you make your point: I can say that the KKK is nothing but a group of good Christian folks because only a small percentage of them has killed black people or burned black churches down.

[GTech]

I take it Rob doesn't keep up with what's going on in the world around him:

http://freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn2005/bn-2005-01-28.htm

[Crazy_Rob]

Rob, before you make your point: I can say that the KKK is nothing but a group of good Christian folks because only a small percentage of them has killed black people or burned black churches down.

That's not a good comparison.

[GTech]

A comparison isn't need to see what's going on.

[Crazy_Rob]

I take it Rob doesn't keep up with what's going on in the world around him:

http://freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn2005/bn-2005-01-28.htm


...followers of Saudi Arabia’s extremist Wahhabi ideology are a distinct minority...

[Blogmaster]

That's not a good comparison.
How so? The Quaran clearly calls upon the muslims to conquer by the sword.

[Crazy_Rob]

How so? The Quaran clearly calls upon the muslims to conquer by the sword.

Well I haven't read the Quaran.

But the Bible could be quoted out of context and appear to be an extra ordinarily violent scripture. SO BIG DEAL!

I'm not saying that the rise of extremist islamists isn't a problem. But I don't think it's fair to use 'Muslim' as a synonym for 'terrorist'.

[GTech]

...followers of Saudi Arabia’s extremist Wahhabi ideology are a distinct minority...

Not good enough to dismiss the threat and hatred for me. Perhaps for you it is.

[Crazy_Rob]

So go slay some Muslims then, Gtech. I'm sure you can find some there in Texas.

[chachi]

Not good enough to dismiss the threat and hatred for me. Perhaps for you it is.

GTech just to understand you...are you saying Muslim = Terrorist ?

[Crazy_Rob]

Yep. He's been saying that since I joined DP.

[Blogmaster]

Well I haven't read the Quaran.

But the Bible could be quoted out of context and appear to be an extra ordinarily violent scripture. SO BIG DEAL!

I'm not saying that the rise of extremist islamists isn't a problem. But I don't think it's fair to use 'Muslim' as a synonym for 'terrorist'.
True, most muslims just go with the flow and go about their daily lives. That is about what most Americans do. The question is what decision people make and who they will support when it comes down to it. I am not about judging people at all, simply stating where the danger is coming from. It's not just about one extremist group, there are too many to count.

We seem to feel safe whenever there is peace for a while. Right now everything is fine but I cannot imagine our world without improving security long term. Sorry if my posts appear anti Muslim but I call things how I see them. Once thing I am definitely not is anti-Arabic. Islam however is the belief that has helped justify countless attacks in the past from all angles of the Muslim world. I don't see why people try to defend their religion when it is based on anti Christian and anti jewish movements. Terror comes from all parts of the world, including right wing Christians blowing up abortion clinics.

But Jesus' message was completely against it while the Quaran has some passages that leave no doubt on the issues of Christians, jews and non Muslims in general.

[GTech]

But for some odd reason, Rob couldn't point it out to save his life. But feel free to try, Rob.

No, clearly not ALL are terrorists. But ALL is not a common denominator to wait for, before recognizing a problem. We don't wait till everyone has AIDS to find a cure, we don't wait till everyone has cancer to do something about it. Waiting for ALL to be something, is not an answer or an excuse.

However, most terrorists are muslim.

[Blogmaster]

However, most terrorists are muslim.
That is something I have to agree on. Rob, it is about national security and identifying where most of the danger is coming from, not about bashing any particular group of people.

[palespyder]

I have this friend right, he is muslim and SO not a terrorist, complete opposite. He calls the terrorist "The Jerry Fallwell(sp)'s of the muslim world" They take everything the Quaran says for word value and it is law, know any christians like that? They believe that a book written X thousand years ago should be held true today and that there are absolutely NO metaphors in thier "bible, used loosely to include all religious texts". Average Muslims understand that the book was written during a different time, when war was not so....final, they believe that yes you should have the convictions to die for your faith, BUT, we are not the enemy, we are not infidels, MOST muslims believe we are just there to help. The extremists are a very small minority of a HUGE religion. I had the same opinion as GTech for awhile, then one of my best friends came back from Iraq and told me the joy he saw in little girls faces as they got to goto school for the first time, he saw the pride in which the Iraqi people are now able to carry themselves, he told me of the millions of tears of joy and psalms of thank you's he heard while he was there. He was there 1 year 3 months and saw millions of Muslims. Again it is a case of the few overshadow the many, just like to extremists, we are all capitalist pig infidels who deserve to die for what our "few" have done.


Muslims != Bad

Terrorist == Bad!

Flame if you like, but anyone who says Muslim == Terrorst is WRONG!!

[Crazy_Rob]

No, clearly not ALL are terrorists. But ALL is not a common denominator to wait for, before recognizing a problem.

So what exactly are you saying? :confused:

[nevetS]

See, that's what's wrong with the world. All it takes is a bit of propoganda and people are perfectly willing to line up and hate. It's happening here in the US where hating arabs, middle easterners, muslims, and really anybody who remotely resembles a middle easterner - some greeks and italians, mexicans, etc. because they look like terrorists. And everywhere else where hating Americans has become increasingly popular.

I hate terrorists as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to go through the rest of my life being suspicious of anybody with dark skin.

I fly with the security in knowing if someone tries to take over my plane, me and the other hundred passengers are going to start kicking some serious ass. Not because the Feds now run the checkpoints and have some fancy new metal detectors.

[Crazy_Rob]

Dumbass - GTech

Is that really from you, GTech?

[nevetS]

However, most terrorists are muslim.

That's simply not true.

Terrorists are christian, atheist, jewish, and even Buddhist and every other religion. Terrorism in the middle east has been running strong for as long as I've been alive, but that doesn't mean that it's just one group of people. I think if you wanted to make a blanket statement a more accurate one would be:

Terrorists are poor and easily impressionable people from oppressed areas.

[Crazy_Rob]

He's referring to the only terrorists that matter- THE ONES THAT WANT TO HARM THE U.S.

;)

[MELLA]

I hate terrorists as much as anyone else, but I'm not going to go through the rest of my life being suspicious of anybody with dark skin.


Exactly.

Some guy said this;

According to Allah in the Quran the muslims have the right to with the help of war and man slaughter spread their religion, that's why many people say that Islam was spread with the sword and thats the truth. In Islam it's, eye or an eye, tooth for an tooth.Islam is not a peaceful religion, it's a political agenda to take over the world!

I seriously don't agree with this crap at all. I have a LOT of Muslim friends. They are anti terrorism as much as I am. I find them to be very peaceful, gentle people. Every culture/country/religion ect has bad apples, but it doesn't mean all of them are. People need to stop generalising.

Are ALL Muslim's terrorist? No
Are ALL mexicans rapist? No
Are ALL blacks robbers and drug dealers? No
Are ALL asians gang members? No
Are ALL whites a bunch of racist, pyschopaths serial killers chop of peoples heads and shoot up schools? No

[GTech]

Sorry if my posts appear anti Muslim but I call things how I see them.

Same here. And I would not be surprised to see people making posts saying otherwise or trying to turn the tables with a race card or otherwise. It's ok to identify problems. They exist. Turning a blind eye for the sake of being politically correct is not a wise option.

[Crazy_Rob]

GTech, so what is your point in this discussion then?

[GTech]

That's simply not true.

Terrorists are christian, atheist, jewish, and even Buddhist and every other religion. Terrorism in the middle east has been running strong for as long as I've been alive, but that doesn't mean that it's just one group of people. I think if you wanted to make a blanket statement a more accurate one would be:

Terrorists are poor and easily impressionable people from oppressed areas.

This is a common myth. See this article:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1552099,00.html

[GTech]

GTech, so what is your point in this discussion then?

Rob, follow along from where Design Agent made his last post.

[chachi]

NevetS, you hit the nail on the head.

GTech, not sure what to say to you bud. Not sure how you make the jump from 20 or so guys to a whole religion. Seems like the easy way out to me.

[GTech]

Can you elaborate on "20 or so guys?" Can you also elaborate on "to a whole religion?"

The reason I ask is, I don't believe anyone would think there are 20 terrorists in the world, when the article I just posted above shows research into just 500 and how they came from middle to wealthy class families.

And I want to make sure also, that people are not intentionally trying to put words in my posts with "to a whole religion" which I have not done.

[chachi]

20 or so guys = The dudes that hijacked the 4 commercial aircraft on Sept, 11, 2001.

I am not trying to put words in your mouth...I believe I asked you a direct question and you answered with something vague about cancer and HIV. Sounded to me like you were saying Muslims are the next HIV or cancer.

In any event, I am sure you have better things to do with your afternoon, as do I. I have to catch a flight. Rest assured that if anyone tries to hijack it, they will be getting one of my size 14s in their mouth. Have a great weekend everyone.

[GTech]

Unfortunately, there are still some that think these were/are the only terrorists. Terrorists cells are being arrested here in the US, the UK and other parts of the world monthly. Large organizations.

You asked me a question and I did give you a very direct and specific answer here:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=173073&postcount=44

I don't think "Clearly not ALL are terrorists" could be spelled out any better.

[chachi]

G money...you said No, but.... You can't take both sides...that is not a clear answer, at least not where I come from. :)

Ok, now I really have to pack. :)

[GTech]

chachi, incorrect. My comment was:

No, clearly not ALL are terrorists.

The next sentence goes to to say that HOWEVER, ALL is not a common denominator.... There is no but and no two sides of the issue. Rob tried to suggest I said "all" and now you have done the same.

Please don't portray me as saying something I didn't.

Mella, thanks for the feedback ;)

[MELLA]

Huh, what feedback GTech? :confused:

Whats happened to this thread? :confused:

Where am I? :confused:

what? :confused:

[chachi]

No, clearly not ALL are terrorists. But ALL is not a common denominator to wait for, before recognizing a problem. We don't wait till everyone has AIDS to find a cure, we don't wait till everyone has cancer to do something about it. Waiting for ALL to be something, is not an answer or an excuse.

However, most terrorists are muslim.

Looks like a big BUT right there at the beginning of the second sentence. Am I reading it wrong? This is English right? Hmm, where is my dictionary?

If you wanted to be clear, you could have. But, you chose not to. So, here we are.

[MELLA]

He wanted to cause controversy :eek:

[MELLA]

Ps; go and pack Chachi!!!!!!!!

and don't forget you can put socks & underwear in shoes to save space!

[chachi]

It took less time than I thought Mella. FYI, my dad went to DeWitt Clinton. Have a good weekend people. I will be here (http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USCA0827?from=search_city) if you, GTech or anyone else wants to play some tennis.

[GTech]

Looks like a big BUT right there at the beginning of the second sentence. Am I reading it wrong? This is English right? Hmm, where is my dictionary?

If you wanted to be clear, you could have. But, you chose not to. So, here we are.

I was very clear. You asked if I thought all muslims were terrorirsts and I clearly answered "No, clearly not ALL are terrorists."

The rest of my comments did not take away from that.

You could choose to argue the points, but I suspect it's just easier to try to pick a part the messenger. Go figure :rolleyes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse605.xml

[chachi]

I don't feel sorry for you, so you can cut the "pick on me" stuff out. :)

Maybe "The Definition of But (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/But) will help you out. I did not and still do not understand what your answer was...you said two things. Other people asked what your point was/what you meant as well. Perhaps they were asking because they wanted to know exactly what you were saying, not to pick on you? That would be my guess, as that is why I have persisted with you.

[Blogmaster]

It is too bad how these threads always turn into arguments.
I responded to design agent saying "yes, they are trying to invade us", just because we don't see it right now doesn't mean they wouldn't if given a chance.

And so yes, Rob, I am looking at it from the American standpoint but don't think terror will stop unless it is stopped. And it won't stop with the US and UK either. Those guys take "conquer the world by the sword" literally and they happen to come from the Muslim community. It is not about racism, it is about identifying potential dangers and we are very much being targetted. I hope this doesn't turn into anthing enemy generating blockbuster.

I think we all want the same thing but some of us are too happy for my taste just because nothing has happened in a while.

To be honest, when I see Bush's speech, I am not sure he himself gets it all but I think he is doing what needs to be done to ensure world peace.

It starts on the homefront and then hopefully will help stabilize the world. Once again, we don't have a lot of support but not every nation looks at the bigger picture, most are happy when they themselves are doing ok right now. I think it's necessary to do what we're doing but then again, like one of my buddies told me "it's not cool being republican, it's not cool being Christian, and don't talk like that when chicks are around" ... so .... I shall bow out :D

[GTech]

I did not and still do not understand what your answer was...you said two things.

And of those two things, they do not contradict each other. You do not understand, because you do not want to.

No, clearly not ALL are terrorists.

Maybe the problem isn't what I said, but what you cannot comprehend.

[anthonycea]

It is just another Bush scam along with sending women to the front lines in Iraq, theft of money from everyone in the world on oil and war, all while Cheney is hiding in fear from a model airplane that is attacking Washington thinking that his day has come for the evil deeds.

[GTech]

Those guys take "conquer the world by the sword" literally and they happen to come from the Muslim community. It is not about racism, it is about identifying potential dangers and we are very much being targetted. I hope this doesn't turn into anthing enemy generating blockbuster.

I agree. Being aware of what is happening in the world is quite different than hatred. It's quite different than saying "ALL" must be the common denominator before we step on anyone's politically correct toes.

Being AWARE. Ignoring what's happening, because it's a something you don't want to see, doesn't serve any purpose.

[GTech]

Just to clarify, because chachi seems persistent to make it "appear" I said something I did not, at no time, on this board, or anywhere else for that matter, have I ever said:

All muslims are terrorists.

Never have, never will because it's not true. If you are so bent, chachi, on portraying that I insinuated or said such, point it out, or move along.

[chachi]

Maybe GTech, maybe.

That was clear. :) Just in time for the real Overlord. AC, it is all yours buddy. Enjoy your weekend DP.

[GTech]

You too ;)

Now it's time for the "Bush stole my can of oil" hysteria.

[GTech]

Anthony, I'll have to get back with ya later. Hope you've been well. Bring your latest pre-defined vivizimo "cheney hit me with a haliburton briefcase" strings :D

[anthonycea]

Again, since most of you don't follow my every word as you should let me say the same things over and over again....

Ready :confused:

Bank FRAUD and Identity THEFT are the biggest threats to BANKERS, not the threat terror poses to national security as the government and bankers want us all to believe.

The national ID card is designed to save International BANKERS money, not to fight terror.

More money is stolen by American criminals from Americans by identity theft and bank fraud versus "Terrorists" stealing from us.

The Bankers use "Terror" as an excuse to push these laws through.

The goal in the end is not to eliminate the black market (because they never will, the "terrorists" will just use other currencies to trade on the black market).

The goal for the bankers and the government in the end is "Direct Deposit" and "Electronic Banking" so that all funds can be controlled since all deposits and purchases can be tracked and taxed.

Terror is just the smokescreen that is being used to soften up the American people to become complete slaves to the banking system and to the IRS.

Terrorists use fake identification and smuggle themselves into and out of the country like dope is smuggled in and money is smuggled back out.

So this is not designed for the underworld, but is for the general population.

Trade in fake Driver Licenses and fake identities is commonplace, the national ID cards will be sold right along with Driver Licenses in the Black Market in the end.

The only system that is foolproof is a DNA Microchip that uses unique DNA from the cells of the human to give an identifier that can not be duplicated.

That will be the next thing that the bankers will push since the national ID cards will not work.

The Dick Cheney Brain Implant, don't get ripped off on oil without it :eek:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=verichip&btnG=Google+Search

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[GTech]

Terrorism is real. It's not imaginary. It's not a smoke screen. Those that use these methods believe they are doing what their God wants them to in killing any non-believers or sympathizers with non-believers.

They don't care about banks, micro chips, or Dick Cheney's briefcase.

One look at Jihad Watch will clearly show how global this problem is. It's not a backwoods problem by a "few" disgruntled extremists.

[anthonycea]

Were gona smoke em out GTech :o

Bring em on ;)

You know that first line of your post sounds like something Bush actually believes :p

PS: The war is over, major combat has ended (Bush a year ago, in May of 2004) :p

[mopacfan]

This thread has gotten way off topic. Anthony is pretty close to the truth and I think he has a pretty good clue as to what's going on. If you want the real scoop and want to know why/how things are happening, visit this site and actually read the content before you jump to conclusions: Alex Jones (http://www.infowars.com/)

[Crazy_Rob]

This thread has gotten way off topic.


Look who started it.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=171887&postcount=11

:rolleyes:

[Blogmaster]

It is just another Bush scam along with sending women to the front lines in Iraq, theft of money from everyone in the world on oil and war, all while Cheney is hiding in fear from a model airplane that is attacking Washington thinking that his day has come for the evil deeds.
If you focus on the intentions behind politicians' actions, good luck finding purity anywhere. Clinton and Kerry have histories of lying and cheating and hunger for power and money and greed are well present in most politicians.

The best thing is to support the ones who make decisions which you believe are best for the well being of mankind. It doesn't help to trash politicians and try to read their minds because that would become an endless cycle of valuable accusations without leading to anything.

I am not going to ask myself why again and again because I wouldn't be able to make up my mind. What I can do is support the causes I believe in. Or believe in more than the other causes. Sometimes you go with the least of all evils which is what most people seem to do considering the large amount of undecided voters which we have every 4 years.

[anthonycea]

If you want the lesser of all evils, you could bring back Jack the Ripper and put him as President and you would have your wish.

Hope you can afford $3.50 a gallon gas TOOT :o

Cheney and Bush make Nixon look like a saint :p :p

[Blogmaster]

I suggest you take a trip to Europe and see how high gas prices can really be. They would laugh about your complaint. Gas is way more expensive there but then again their transportation systems are superb compared to ours.

You're just a spoiled American who loves to complain :D

[yfs1]

Today Gas is at €3.82 ($4.83) a gallon but it does fluctuate a bit (It was €4.40 ($5.56) a few months ago)

And most people here drive tiny cars although there is a trend towards SUVs now (The PT Cruiser is getting pretty popular)

[sadcox66]

Incorrect. They already have. And we have numerous reports of their invasion through the Mexico border. There are news reports all the time of their of their activities in the US and UK.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=629208

Yet, the emphasis is on taking away your nail clippers at airports when borders and shipping ports are totally unattended - just look at the number of illegal aliens coming into every country.


There are news reports all the time of their of their activities in the US and UK.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=629208
Where I live we have weeks of terror where guns were brought to school, bomb threats in schools and neo-nazi clans defacing public and private property for about two weeks all targeting non-white. Read our local newspapers for more detailed information.

Can't say one religion, idiosyncrasy is any better than another.