ringtones...

[int_josh]

I've read shoemoney's post on his blog about ringtones and his claims on how it converts so well... lol
400 visitors, 0 sales... converts very well :rolleyes:

anyone else getting very low conversions? I was thinking of dropping them completely, since it's redicilously unprofitable.

[EasyMarketer]

how are you marketing it? let me know and I can probaly help you out :)

[Shoemoney]

I've read shoemoney's post on his blog about ringtones and his claims on how it converts so well... lol
400 visitors, 0 sales... converts very well :rolleyes:

anyone else getting very low conversions? I was thinking of dropping them completely, since it's redicilously unprofitable.

if you have questions ask specific questions. Its not rockect science.

[int_josh]

PPC and adbrite
iframing the ringtone provider's landing page

if you have questions ask specific questions. Its not rockect science.

Well, if I knew why I'm not getting conversions I'd ask questions.
I'm iframing the affiliate landing page for better conversions, but it doesn't seem to work.

I went as far as using only keywords that contain "ringtone" in my PPC campaigns (about 2500).

What can I improve? Should I maybe pre-sell a bit on top of iframed page? Or keeping it simple and clean worked better for you?

What's your eCPC?

btw I sent about 1500 visitors now, 5 sales.

so the eCPC is about 0.05

[EasyMarketer]

mhm, target your ads man, free ringtones is not worth the conversions because you wont get anywhere. If you want to get more conversions make sure the person knows what is going on, dont try and trick them by saying Free Ringtones. Straight up say 10 Bonus Ringtones, then inside of the ad say the price a month and say cancel anytime.

Dont go for the keyword free ringtone or free ringtones and NEver ringtones.

Go for like eminem ringtones yung joc ringtones nick lachey ringtones etc.
Target your ads give the people what they want. Dont have the same ad for all of yours. Say on the top of the ad if you bidding for nick lachey ringtone Say
Bonus Nick lachey Ringtone then under the ad keep the same thing, about how it cost so much amount a month and cancel anytime.

If you look for smaller niches, you will pay less a click and higher conversions :)

[smindsrt]

The bottom line with any affiliate marketing you will convert much better when your traffic is targeted. If you are trying to push ringtones and people are looking for myspace layouts... you will convert at a lower rate.

When you get targeted traffic your EPC can easily be in the .65-1.30 range.

[Shoemoney]

Well, if I knew why I'm not getting conversions I'd ask questions.
I'm iframing the affiliate landing page for better conversions, but it doesn't seem to work.

I went as far as using only keywords that contain "ringtone" in my PPC campaigns (about 2500).

What can I improve? Should I maybe pre-sell a bit on top of iframed page? Or keeping it simple and clean worked better for you?

What's your eCPC?

btw I sent about 1500 visitors now, 5 sales.

so the eCPC is about 0.05

paste your url your sending traffic too ill look at it and offer sugestions

The bottom line with any affiliate marketing you will convert much better when your traffic is targeted. If you are trying to push ringtones and people are looking for myspace layouts... you will convert at a lower rate.

When you get targeted traffic your EPC can easily be in the .65-1.30 range.

actually broadmatch of msn for "myspace" was my highest profiting keyword on msn for a looooooooong time.

the next highest was "gay"

[smindsrt]

actually broadmatch of msn for "myspace" was my highest profiting keyword on msn for a looooooooong time.

the next highest was "gay"

Everything converts better on MSN.... the volume just sucks. ;)

[Pat Gael]

I've read shoemoney's post on his blog about ringtones and his claims on how it converts so well... lol
400 visitors, 0 sales... converts very well :rolleyes:

anyone else getting very low conversions? I was thinking of dropping them completely, since it's redicilously unprofitable.

I have 2 sites devoted to ringtones, high traffic, 0 sales as well :rolleyes:

[int_josh]

paste your url your sending traffic too ill look at it and offer sugestions



actually broadmatch of msn for "myspace" was my highest profiting keyword on msn for a looooooooong time.

the next highest was "gay"

It's just a website that has thumbplay page iframed (essentially a copy of thumbplay affiliate URL).

What is your source of traffic and how many keywords do you have loaded up?

[biziboy]

under the right circumstances, "pre-selling" these convert welll

[Shoemoney]

It's just a website that has thumbplay page iframed (essentially a copy of thumbplay affiliate URL).

wow that took you a whole 10 minutes to do and your not making millions yet?

you should probably quit as you said in the first post.

[int_josh]

wow that took you a whole 10 minutes to do and your not making millions yet?

you should probably quit as you said in the first post.

yeah good one

are you flexing nuts or trying to provide advice?

under the right circumstances, "pre-selling" these convert welll

any suggestions on how to presell these?

[tdnetworks]

Well there was some good advice on how to improve your earnings. I've done great with ringtone offers in the past but it is now dying down a lot and everyone knows it. A new year is coming up and I really don't believe the current ringtone offers will dominate for 2007 so I would jump into a different field to get a head start.

Now you can still make money with ringtones... but just iframing a landing page isn't going to get you anywhere. Create a custom landing page and then go from there - you can't expect to make money by putting in few minutes of work. Research and bid on unique keywords, implement some tracking to see which keywords convert best for you and reed a book about how to effectively do search engine marketing.

[reapr]

wow that took you a whole 10 minutes to do and your not making millions yet?

you should probably quit as you said in the first post.

Darn I knew it all along if I waited another 5 minutes someone would beat me to it ... darn Iframers beat me to the punch everytime.

[biziboy]

okay... heres the thing.... you need to target it to high school/college audiance, otherwise they wont convert... PPC for ringtone keys is oversaturated.... try myspace markettng....

another thing
1. (dont piss off shoemoney...)
2. Explain the idea on your landing page... ppl are used to seeing the dadamobile /thumplay/whatever banners on popups... using the page in an iframe may be a bad start....

for example in a myspace campaign i wrote something along the lines..

"hey guys... check out these awesome shakira ringtones.... lol"
.

[reapr]

Building your own landing page with cloaked affiliate urls will convert best over the long haul providing you update it on occasion or use a script that inserts unique content periodically. Overall it depends on your own ability to write good ad copy.

Overall this is Shoemoneys ring and he knows best.

[Shoemoney]

yeah good one

are you flexing nuts or trying to provide advice?


I like to help those who help themselves... You come in here super vague and want all the answers yet you have just used iframed pages...

my advice is to test test test

[int_josh]

I like to help those who help themselves... You come in here super vague and want all the answers yet you have just used iframed pages...

my advice is to test test test

Well... http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=73129&highlight=frame+their+landing+page

Actually I researched before I iframed, and I assumed iframes were working well for you.

Having landing page with "choose your carrier" generated pathetic ROI. Iframed generated some revenue. Now I'm testing some pre-selling points on top of iframed page.

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[GeorgeB.]

@ Shoemoney I sent you a PM. I don't know you personally, but I'm doing OK and can use some tips to take it to the next level so I was like, f#ck it. Either he ignores me or he helps me :)

[GeorgeB.]

Well there was some good advice on how to improve your earnings. I've done great with ringtone offers in the past but it is now dying down a lot and everyone knows it. A new year is coming up and I really don't believe the current ringtone offers will dominate for 2007 so I would jump into a different field to get a head start.

Now you can still make money with ringtones... but just iframing a landing page isn't going to get you anywhere. Create a custom landing page and then go from there - you can't expect to make money by putting in few minutes of work. Research and bid on unique keywords, implement some tracking to see which keywords convert best for you and reed a book about how to effectively do search engine marketing.Sound advice and pretty much how I am starting out only I am using ringtones as a training ground. Heck if I can convert ringtones as saturated as the market is, which I am, then I should be good to go when it's time to move into my real niche.

[int_josh]

@ Shoemoney I sent you a PM. I don't know you personally, but I'm doing OK and can use some tips to take it to the next level so I was like, f#ck it. Either he ignores me or he helps me :)

Why not post your questions here so that everyone can learn?

[xboxundone]

@ Shoemoney I sent you a PM. I don't know you personally, but I'm doing OK and can use some tips to take it to the next level so I was like, f#ck it. Either he ignores me or he helps me :)


GeorgeB i think you had pm'd me on EF i answered your questions atleast i thought i did. anyways if you still have questions feel free to pm here or on ef.

[GeorgeB.]

xboxundone,

I actually did what you said and focused on keywords. It helped and the $$ marker went up. So thanks I appreciate it immensely. Using buy words vs just shopping around words is really the key.

I'm just humbly taking all the advice I can as this is admittedly not my area of expertise.

[xboxundone]

i am glad to hear there was improvement! I aim to please as i can't make all the money ;) (but i sure will try ) :)

[Shoemoney]

Well... http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=73129&highlight=frame+their+landing+page

Actually I researched before I iframed, and I assumed iframes were working well for you.

Having landing page with "choose your carrier" generated pathetic ROI. Iframed generated some revenue. Now I'm testing some pre-selling points on top of iframed page.

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times change... a lot.

reason to use a framed landing page = 1 less step usually better converts

reasons to use a landing page = you can sort out per carrier.. some work better with some offers.

you need to do a lot of testing though and you will find what works for you. I would not recomend starting in the ringtones area. There are a lot more profitable niches right now. I was lucky to do well with ringtones before they reached there tipping point and thus can get a much higher payout then newbs.

[Tyler Banfield]

Haha, nice avatar Shoe, this is the first time I've seen it ;)

[reapr]

Ok who said they researched then ... assumed :eek: . Is that not a recipe for disaster ...

[xboxundone]

times change... a lot.

reason to use a framed landing page = 1 less step usually better converts

reasons to use a landing page = you can sort out per carrier.. some work better with some offers.

you need to do a lot of testing though and you will find what works for you. I would not recomend starting in the ringtones area. There are a lot more profitable niches right now. I was lucky to do well with ringtones before they reached there tipping point and thus can get a much higher payout then newbs.

I am delving in other CPA offers haven't hit one as good yet but i have a few that are very close and once i get my testing phase down the money should roll in :).

[TomN]

xboxundone,

I actually did what you said and focused on keywords. It helped and the $$ marker went up. So thanks I appreciate it immensely. Using buy words vs just shopping around words is really the key.

I'm just humbly taking all the advice I can as this is admittedly not my area of expertise.

That's great advice George. SO... what exactly would a "buy" word be and what would a "shopping around" word be?

You can use any market...

I appreciate it.

[int_josh]

times change... a lot.

reason to use a framed landing page = 1 less step usually better converts

reasons to use a landing page = you can sort out per carrier.. some work better with some offers.

you need to do a lot of testing though and you will find what works for you. I would not recomend starting in the ringtones area. There are a lot more profitable niches right now. I was lucky to do well with ringtones before they reached there tipping point and thus can get a much higher payout then newbs.

care to share the setup(s) that works for you?

[Shoemoney]

care to share the setup(s) that works for you?


I do all 3. just depends on the affililate.

[int_josh]

I do all 3. just depends on the affililate.

Ok, what kind do you use for dadamobile and what kind do you use for thumbplay?

Do you present any pre-selling points?
Do you have a pre-sell headline that outlines benefits?

[smindsrt]

and what kind do you use for thumbplay?


People actually use Thumbplay??? For us.. we tested it and the conversions suck hard!

[MattEvers]

People actually use Thumbplay??? For us.. we tested it and the conversions suck hard!

Thumbplay works best for me right now........??? :D

[Shoemoney]

Ok, what kind do you use for dadamobile and what kind do you use for thumbplay?

Do you present any pre-selling points?
Do you have a pre-sell headline that outlines benefits?

thats for you to find out as you test!

[int_josh]

thats for you to find out as you test!

:rolleyes:


if you have questions ask specific questions. Its not rockect science.


Is it really so hard to share what works for you?

[Shoemoney]

:rolleyes:



Is it really so hard to share what works for you?

dude i post EXACT statistics on this forum why dont you do a little work yourself without someone holding your hand

[MattEvers]

:rolleyes:



Is it really so hard to share what works for you?

You're a jackass IMO. Be thankful for any help you get.

[dealasite]

Shoe, you're right, he's being lazy.

[int_josh]

dude i post EXACT statistics on this forum why dont you do a little work yourself without someone holding your hand

Why get pissed?

All I'm asking is what works for you.

[Tyler Banfield]

Why get pissed?

All I'm asking is what works for you.

And he's already answered that question many times

[WatchMeFly]

Why get pissed?

All I'm asking is what works for you.


How is he getting pissed? He already answered your question.

[tom_mancino]

:rolleyes:



Is it really so hard to share what works for you?

Just search for some of his sites....it is not that hard to find them....and no, I won't post them for you.

[dicetomato]

Reading this thread really made me angry.

int_josh, do your work and ask. You seem to be really lazy and want a step by step guide to make money. That isn't gonna happen.

[owningmonkey]

josh youre a joke, just quit. Do you really think people earning big money are going to tell lazy people how they did it. Im suprised you didnt ask shoemoney to send you one of his landing pages for you to use

[int_josh]

lol don't worry monkey

I got all my info from a few ebooks I had to buy. It cost me money but at least I got the info i needed.

bunch of arrogant pricks lol

I'm coming in to drive up your bids

[dealasite]

Hey, at least you're putting in the blood and sweat to learn the biz. Most people wash out early, so you're probably going to make it. Don't give up and don't be bitter. Angst is counter-productive.

Driving up bids? Please, there's plenty of room for 10x the people. I'm rooting for you.

[capitalistpig]

lol don't worry monkey

I got all my info from a few ebooks I had to buy.


Funny.

I'm coming in to drive up your bids


Funnier.

Keep buying ebooks and driving up bids. You'll blow through your bankroll in no time.

Good luck.

[marcowitsch]

Dude, learning by doing always is the best alternative.

Calling ppl a bunch of pricks, only because they dont write you an manual, only show that you doesnt have the cochones for this job.

So i think you will stay with noudlesoup 3x a day, or you'll maybe grow up some day and see how many good tips you've got here and throw you ebooks in the trash.

[int_josh]

Dude, learning by doing always is the best alternative.

Calling ppl a bunch of pricks, only because they dont write you an manual, only show that you doesnt have the cochones for this job.

So i think you will stay with noudlesoup 3x a day, or you'll maybe grow up some day and see how many good tips you've got here and throw you ebooks in the trash.

Yea, I need you, I need you to hate
So I can use you for your energy
you know, this real shit, feel this!

p.s. looks like dealasite is the only straight shooter on here ;)

[dealasite]

Most people will help you around here if you ask specific questions (i.e. How does a certian offer perform, What's the best source for leads for a certain offer, How do I increase my ecpc on a certain offer)

But if you ask everyone, "Give me your blueprint for success", you'll get the responses you've been getting. So they're really not haters, it's kind of the way you're asking the question.

Also, there is no simple answer. There are thousands of factors/combinations that make an affiliate offer profitable. If you test and experiment you will discover the right combinations and then you can refine the winners into mega winners.

Another point, treat Super Affiliates like shoemoney with respect. If you listen to his podcasts and read his forum, you can pick up tons of information that will help you. He's all about helping others, but he won't lay a golden egg in your lap. :)

[aeiouy]

Yea, I need you, I need you to hate
So I can use you for your energy
you know, this real shit, feel this!

p.s. looks like dealasite is the only straight shooter on here ;)

Dealsite is being polite.

Can't say I am really worried about you driving up my bids. You won't find my bids in any e-book.

As for what Dealsite just said, take it to heart, it is ALL about your approach. Your questions are extremely lazy and show no knowledge, initiative or thought. If you have a specific question, people will likely be more than willing to help you. Asking generically how you do it is an indicator that you are not that serious.

[int_josh]

Most people will help you around here if you ask specific questions (i.e. How does a certian offer perform, What's the best source for leads for a certain offer, How do I increase my ecpc on a certain offer)

But if you ask everyone, "Give me your blueprint for success", you'll get the responses you've been getting. So they're really not haters, it's kind of the way you're asking the question.

Also, there is no simple answer. There are thousands of factors/combinations that make an affiliate offer profitable. If you test and experiment you will discover the right combinations and then you can refine the winners into mega winners.

Another point, treat Super Affiliates like shoemoney with respect. If you listen to his podcasts and read his forum, you can pick up tons of information that will help you. He's all about helping others, but he won't lay a golden egg in your lap. :)

Yeah man I understand. Of course no one's gonna give me step-by-step strategy (unless you pay them).

My question was how to boost on-page conversions for ringtone offer (meaning should I pre-sell the ringtones, have "choose carrier" page or leave the iframe untouched).

Also I've been having difficulty with coming up with large list keywords, since I'm rather new to this game. I've been hearing numbers like 40k... the only way I can think of to come up with 40k RELEVANT keywords is to add words on the end and beginning of main devided keyword set (which right now is at about 10k). However, those highly modified long-tail keywords get 0 traffic, since they are never searched for.

[dealasite]

Even if you could buy a step-by-step strategy or handbook it would be obsolete in no time since the landscape changes so quickly with offers, bids, fads, etc. What's hot today may not be tomorrow. I personally don't mess w/ ringtones, seems over-saturated to me.

The skills of this game are gained through experience: impeccible ad writing, mastering adwords or other ppc, creative keyword selection, doing the math/analysis on your offers, and the persistence to move on after many failed tests.

As for keywords, I use overture bidtool and keyword selector and the tool here at DP: http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/?keywords=affiliate&country=us I just pick 5 - 10 keywords that i can compete in and that have decent traffic and then refine my list as the campaign runs. Throw off the losers that aren't converting. You are tracking your leads with sub id's right?

[int_josh]

Even if you could buy a step-by-step strategy or handbook it would be obsolete in no time since the landscape changes so quickly with offers, bids, fads, etc. What's hot today may not be tomorrow. I personally don't mess w/ ringtones, seems over-saturated to me.

The skills of this game are gained through experience: impeccible ad writing, mastering adwords or other ppc, creative keyword selection, doing the math/analysis on your offers, and the persistence to move on after many failed tests.

As for keywords, I use overture bidtool and keyword selector and the tool here at DP: http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/?keywords=affiliate&country=us I just pick 5 - 10 keywords that i can compete in and that have decent traffic and then refine my list as the campaign runs. Throw off the losers that aren't converting. You are tracking your leads with sub id's right?


Yeah I use conversion tracking per-keyword and peel and stick the underperformers.

My main concern though is - how do people find 40k related, targeted keywords that get clicks and conversions. And can't you broad match for those variations already with 1 and 2 tier keyphrases?

[dealasite]

Hey, I was hoping someone would jump in and answer your keyword question. I haven't been using 40,000 keyword lists, so maybe that's one secret I've been missing out on. I think I heard shoemoney say he keeps lists of his own that he's compiled through experience and testing.

Anyone out there using thousands of keywords from some service or software for each particular offer?

[Shoemoney]

i take the search data from my ringtone sites and enter it automatically into the ppc engines via api.

The lists snowball pretty big

[Sem-Advance]

Yeah I use conversion tracking per-keyword and peel and stick the underperformers.

My main concern though is - how do people find 40k related, targeted keywords that get clicks and conversions. And can't you broad match for those variations already with 1 and 2 tier keyphrases?

http://www.keyworddiscovery.com/


broadmatch is automatic....no need to do anything other than enter keyword terms and price hit continue....broadmatch will bleed you out though..

Ohh and the find 40K keywords and bid on them is counter productive. Compartmentalize ad goups on those that drive a decent amount of taffic..you dont scrape for 1s ans 2s unless its high dollar profit at stake.

Traffic volumes the game as cheap as you can get it and as on target as it can be...

Hone your ads win position the write way... not by tossing money at it

Hone landing pages...

ohh and in case someone hasnt said it several times

..........test test test

but I know I saw that somewhere

[dealasite]

i take the search data from my ringtone sites and enter it automatically into the ppc engines via api.

The lists snowball pretty big

Man, that's why you're the king -- I never even thought of that. I've been using more of Sem-Advance's approach, but I can see where the big lists could help on certain offers. Thanks for sharing Shoe.

[Shoemoney]

Man, that's why you're the king -- I never even thought of that. I've been using more of Sem-Advance's approach, but I can see where the big lists could help on certain offers. Thanks for sharing Shoe.

you have a massive advantage because you can tell whats hot like now... and no when it shows on overture 2 months from now.