Tony Blair is TOAST

[anthonycea]

I seen a news story on TV yesterday and it was talking about the UK elections, the report stated that the Brit's are pissed off at Tony Blair and his association with Bush and that he is on his way out because of the war.

Who are you UK'ers supporting and why :confused:

[TommyD]

Why? Really?

Not being a UK member, from an outsider's point of view, the only foreign war Brit's want to wage war on, is the massive imigration. The have opened their ports to finally get more working people in the country and the Brit culture is diminishing. Soon it will not be know for fish and chips, but curry rice and lentals. But I'm sure the image of violence at sporting games will be eternal.

So I'm guessing, the Brit's want a PM that will focus on more domestic issues.

Just a guess....

tom

[anthonycea]

Damn when I was a kid we used to love Arthur Treacher's fish and chips, hell you are right, that is all we knew about the Brit's until the Beatles and Led Zeppelin hit the states and we were never the same and will forever love them for it. :)

The other thing us Americans know about them is that they are PIRATES and tried to rule over us by: "Taxation without representation", so maybe we really can't trust them since we gave them the boot at the "Boston Tea Party" :o

No, I really love some of our UK members here and they are some of my best friends on forum, they are very intelligent and great folks and provide a different perspective on issues than us good old North Americans can provide.

Now guys can you get rid of that con-man running your nation :confused: ;)

[GTech]

Maybe the next elections wont' have to deal with death threats, intimidation and bribery from the likes of these:

http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/05/nvote105.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/05/ixnewstop.html

[anthonycea]

Figures that you would make claims that Mr. Howard was a terrorist GTech :p :p

PS: Was he the one that invaded Iraq unlawfully :confused:

[GTech]

huh? I didn't write the article or commit the threats, intimidation and bribery.

I guess this is acceptable practice to some.

[anthonycea]

Well that is what your campaign suggests GTech, how do you know that the article was not written by one of Blair's friends or that the publisher is bought and sold by Blair's party :confused:

[GTech]

My campaign? huh?

Heh, if you support their activities, more power to ya. I won't make excuses for them.

[anthonycea]

Sure GTech, you always campaign for the Republicans here in the USA.

Why not get involved in propaganda for Tony Blair here on Digital Point also :confused:

You may sway some minds in the UK for all you know and keep them in lock step with Bush on the road to destruction :o :eek:

[GTech]

Tony can take care of himself. I don't really follow him much. But your timing about elections was worth noting how *some* over there use these barbaric practices to try and beat the system.

The last thing they need is death threats, intimidation and bribery from thugs. If that's your idea of a good party, it's no wonder you are so miserable here in the US.

[anthonycea]

Tony can take care of himself. I don't really follow him much. But your timing about elections was worth noting how *some* over there use these barbaric practices to try and beat the system.

The last thing they need is death threats, intimidation and bribery from thugs. If that's your idea of a good party, it's no wonder you are so miserable here in the US.

Sounds like what Bush and his buddies did in the last two elections in the USA, so they just want to follow "Successful practice" in stealing elections GTech :o

[Design Agent]

Our country's favourite dishes are Chinese followed by Indian, Nothing wrong with that.

The protests against the war in the UK were the largest ever seen.
Noone likes blair on the ground, but Brown they will accept, not many wlll accept Howard and Kennedy is 'too gente' many think. That means noone really wants to bother.

Why? Really?

Not being a UK member, from an outsider's point of view, the only foreign war Brit's want to wage war on, is the massive imigration. The have opened their ports to finally get more working people in the country and the Brit culture is diminishing. Soon it will not be know for fish and chips, but curry rice and lentals. But I'm sure the image of violence at sporting games will be eternal.

So I'm guessing, the Brit's want a PM that will focus on more domestic issues.

Just a guess....

tom

[GTech]

Sounds like what Bush and his buddies did in the last two elections in the USA, so they just want to follow "Successful practice" in stealing elections GTech :o

It's ashame you seem blinded by reality. But, hopefully the Brits (no matter which party), will not have to endure

death threats, intimidation and bribery

to vote. Everyone deserves that.

[anthonycea]

You can be sure that Bush and Rupert Murdoch will be sending propaganda at the minds of all voters in the UK in this election. :eek:

So I hope that Blair gets run out of the UK on a buckboard and that the horses are spooked and whipped that carry his ass out :eek:

PS: GTech it is alright for voting machines to be rigged here in the USA and for Bush to steal votes and for the Supreme Court to decide the winner in 2000 instead of the American people.

You see where this corruption in America has got the world, you get what you deserve GTech :o

[GTech]

Does that mean you want goons like those in that article to run the country?

[anthonycea]

Does it mean that you want Bush and his "Houston Oil Buddies" to destroy the world order and the world economy along with Tony Blair who serves the "oil criminals" also :confused:

[GTech]

So you do support that kind of activity? That's a shame ;)

Did you say something about the UN oil criminals?

[anthonycea]

No GTech, I said something about:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=Ken+Lay+Houston+oil+men

Dick and George's and Tony Blair's best friends :o

[GTech]

Aww, that's so kind of you! A predefined keyword search that leads nowhere :D

So you didn't want to talk about the UN oil criminals?

[anthonycea]

Maybe to you it leads no where, but to others it can shed light on folks that want to hide facts like you do GTech :o

Do you think the things you post are going to keep Blair in office :confused: :p

[GTech]

No, whether Blair is in office or not, is not my concern. But I'm always hopeful that people can vote without nut jobs resorting to death threats, intimidation and bribery.

The people will (and should) vote for who they think will serve them best. That's what elections are about.

[anthonycea]

So in your own words, any party in the UK that does not walk in lock step with Bush should not be considered a viable option for the voters :confused:

Is that what you call an election GTech :confused:

Maybe we should call Bush and Blair's parties what they really are, "The Houston Oil men's Association" :o

[MELLA]

I dislike Tony.

Oh and I don't like Blair either. :p

[GTech]

T, take a look at post 21 again. Maybe you had your next response typed out and ready to reply before you actually read my comments.

[MELLA]

There is some serious sexual tension between you two.

Hurry up and sort it out so the rest of us don't have to suffer.


Only kidding. :o

[anthonycea]

Well so far it is us Americans that are discussing the election in the UK.

So GTech and I need to wait to hear from some of those over there that actually vote and understand the issues before we go on here. :o

[Dominic]

I'll tell you what the issues are:

As Australia is still a commonwealth country I'd like to be able to vote in the UK election. But because I'm the son of a son of a son of a convict, maybe my vote should only count for 1/10th of a normal vote or something.

Come to think of it, our prime ministry runs the country like it's the 51'st state of the usa, so maybe I should be able to vote there too? I'd expect my vote to count equally though as everyone in the states is created equal.

I think we need another Crocadile Dundee movie to be released because the world's view of us has suffering because we have a custard c0ck for a prime minister. At least Steve Irwin is holding up our image, showing ppl we know how to fight with crocs and stuff.

I'd like to see the UK election decided by throwing all the candidates into Steve Irwin's Australia Zoo with all the crocs. Whoever pins a croc and poses for a photo first should be the winner.

What terrorist in their right mind would take on a country that chose their leader that way! Can you just imagine the fear it would strike into their hearts and minds.

The US may be heading in the right direction with Arnie, maybe he will be President one day. I tell you that would put an end to terrorism.

But who does the UK have anyway... they had to get an Aussie to play the lead in Braveheart, what does that tell you. OK, you do have Thatcher - she had a set, but I'm talking strong male leaders here.

Terribly sorry chaps... my rant is over.

[minstrel]

ere is some serious sexual tension between you two.

Hurry up and sort it out so the rest of us don't have to suffer.
:D I'm sure it is all on Gtech's side, Mella... I think he's jealous because AC got invited to Elton John's wedding and turned it down -- Gtech didn't even get an invitation... :eek:

[anthonycea]

Dominic you have some personal issues for sure, but I don't know if they will solve the problems with the UK government :p

As far as another Republican actor leading the USA, no thank you to him or any other Republicans as they have ruined the world order and this nation around the world.

Tony Blair is part of this destruction. If he is so great and if Bush is so great why is terror on the increase :confused:

Also why are we stuck in a Vietnam type of war with the UK in Iraq :confused:

Could it be all over OIL :confused:

PS: Great point Minstrel, I wonder who Elton John is supporting.....

[GTech]

I have a lot of CDs in my collection, but no Elton John.

"Every morning, George Bush wakes up, puts 2 feet on the floor, scratches his balls, and says, 'let's go kill some ****ing terrorists!'" - Dennis Miller

No dewussification about it ;)

[anthonycea]

Yeah and that crazy Ted Nugent moved to Crawford to be next to his hero, two peas in a pod that will do anything to make America their own and claim it for their own greedy asses.

PS: Nugent's house in Michigan was infested with Black Mold so he moved to Crawford.

[minstrel]

This thread is making me hungry... :o

[GTech]

Good for Ted! We need more *real* Americans who are not afraid to go after those that would do us harm.

[anthonycea]

I seen him live at the "World Series of Rock" in Cleveland Stadium in the mid 70's and that guy was bad in his day, he jumped around like a cat on amps and generally kicked ass then.

But he turned into a real arse of late with radical BS coming out of his mouth on TV and in print.

When I hear most of his music now it does not really stand the test of time and he has really faded away with his political beliefs also.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=nugent+black+mold

He has become "Black Mold" himself :o :eek:

[GTech]

Maybe Ted finally gets it. Maybe the problem isn't everyone else?

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D89P8H0O0.htm?campaign_id=ap_news_up

If Bush, as you say, can set oil prices, does that mean you give him credit when they lower? I know better myself, but hypothetically speaking in Anthony's reality?

[anthonycea]

With an election coming up in the UK and with Bush on TV begging for mercy from the people it would make sense that oil traders would short the oil markets after record highs recently.

That does make sense GTech :eek:

[GTech]

Begging for mercy? I must have missed that one. Wasn't even on Drudge! Have a source? Or is that your own personal reality?

So Bush only gets credit when oil prices go up, not down?

[anthonycea]

When gas prices are under a $ 1.00 again I will give him credit, until then he is public enemy # 1 GTech :eek:

I am still paying $2.30 per gallon and curse Bush and Fat Dick every time I pull into the gas station as the majority of Americans do GTech :eek:

[Solicitors Mortgages]

there's no problem with Tony Blair

and also there is no good alternative..... Michael Howard will be as effective as an ashtray on a motor bike..
lib-dems??? ....hahahahahha...
green party?.....ok this is getting silly
anyone else..... nope..thats your lot.

[anthonycea]

I don't know GEM, a hell of a lot of Brit's call him a liar to his face for siding with Bush on the Iraq war.

[minstrel]

I am still paying $2.30 per gallon and curse Bush and Fat Dick every time I pull into the gas station
That's a bit harsh, AC. It's not the guy on the gas pump's fault... don't be calling him names... :eek:

[anthonycea]

You buy gas at "Fat Dick's" also Minstrel :confused: :p :o :D

[Solicitors Mortgages]

I don't know GEM, a hell of a lot of Brit's call him a liar to his face for siding with Bush on the Iraq war.

thats just POLITICS Anthony.
The guys with the loudest voices.

we are glad to see the back of Saddam.
...and to be honest ...i dont think many care why we went to war.
we are more concerned with the euonaughts than anything else....
we want our pound !!!

(unless of coures they offer a 4:1 swap)

[anthonycea]

Ah, so we do have a true British voice on forum in GEM :o

Yes I would keep the pound also, but you will be sucked into Germany soon if you do not resist the EU.

How do you win WWII then they find a way to beat you without war :confused:

The EU is a force to be reckoned with since the new pope is German, yeah now you are seeing the light my Son :o :cool:

[Solicitors Mortgages]

The EU is a force to be reckoned with since the new pope is German

wow, you digress so fast!

I couldn't care if he's german or iraqi...the country of birth really is not a factor in these things. His ability to lead the catholics is how he should be judged.
I am thinking of setting up my own religion...no backlinks required.

[minstrel]

You buy gas at "Fat Dick's" also Minstrel?
Yiu know he hates it when you call him that, AC...

[anthonycea]

So you think that he was voted in without consideration of global politics or power and money factors :confused:

Think again GEM :o

[Blogmaster]

thats just POLITICS Anthony.
The guys with the loudest voices.

we are glad to see the back of Saddam.
...and to be honest ...i dont think many care why we went to war.
we are more concerned with the euonaughts than anything else....
we want our pound !!!

(unless of coures they offer a 4:1 swap)
well said, SM. It's usually about money and people wanting to protect their own interests. people vote based on who they think can meet THEIR immediate needs first.

[anthonycea]

You guys can say what you will, but I can see Blair on TV right now selling "Tony's Toast" :p :o :p

I could be a better seller than "French Toast" :D

[Blogmaster]

If they don't want him in Britain, he can be Governor of Cali when Arnold is Pres ;)

[anthonycea]

Both of them have to go TOOT for the good of the world :o :eek:

[zak]

Blair aint going anywhere, you just have to see who he's up against!

We got Michael Howard, not much of a leader
And we got Charles Kennedy, who's he...

So Blair is gonna stay.

Anyway, Blair is quite a clever fellow, so I dont know why he would wanna associate with Bush....

[anthonycea]

Howard is on TV everyday saying he is lying about the reasons for going to war along with many Brit's to his face so he can't be that great or be much in the lead.

I seen a story on TV today that says Howard may in fact win and I hope he does because we need a change from the same old same old :o

[zak]

But didnt Howard back him for the war?

[anthonycea]

Don't know, all I know is that it is time for a change in the UK as Blair getting elected is an endorsement of Bush policy here in the USA.

Do any of you guys have links to poll numbers :confused:

[e10]

I hate politicians of every stripe. Ambitions for a political career should be enough to prevent you from ever taking office. Maggie Thatcher was a Scottish phobic bandit. Major ... who? Blair is a mealy mouthed prat, Clinton was a two faced, sexophonist and Bush is a war-mongering d***head that´s going to get us all killed.

Who should win the UK election - anyone who gives a shit about the little people. Who is that? Not a damned one of them.

[anthonycea]

We could run Robert Plant and he could beat all of them.

Could be Sir Paul McCartney versus Robert Plant or even Ozzie Ozzborne :p

PS: They like little people :)

[zak]

Trust me on this, there is no-one to take the leadership from Blair. He is the best at fooling the people!

Did Bush get an education?

[anthonycea]

Ozzie Ozbourne has more brains than Bush or Blair, even when he is stoned :p :o :p

[minstrel]

Ozzie is smarter than he looks...

he'd pretty much have to be smarter than he seems... otherwise, how could he walk?

:eek:

[anthonycea]

Yes but could he do worse than Bush or Blair :confused:

Hell no :o

Plus the little people love him and he loves the little people :D

I would vote for Ozzie over Blair anyday :o

[Padawan]

Well, as someone who has lived all their life in the UK, I can say I won't be voting - I've had the right since 1988 but never used it as it is a complete waste of time. All our politicians of all parties are liars and have their own secret agendas.

Besides, the PM and MPs don't have any real power any way, the money men make the big decisions -

"Give me the power of the money and it will not matter any more who is commanding"

- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

[anthonycea]

Why not, if you are not happy about current trends at least your vote counts as a protest against the same old, same old :o

[minstrel]

Plus the little people love him and he loves the little people
Do you mean leprechauns? or midgets?

For that matter, are there enough of either to carry the vote for him?

[anthonycea]

I know of no one that dislikes Ozzy Ozborne so I think he could win big time :o


A hot story all about this election here:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L28674961.htm

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[sue]

I live in the UK, and as per normal in the election run up mud gets flung. But to be completely honest, Labour (Blair) is going to win the election by default really. Because of general public opinion and the stigma the other two main partys have.. Lib Dems, nice, but perhaps too nice to run a country, torries - liers. What amazes me, is that the torries, the party with a reputation for playing tricks and using loop holes elected Michael Howards.. why?.. the guy just looks like a insurance salesman.

So this is why we are going to be stuck with blair, just because there is no one else :S

Obvioulsy i can't speak for the entire UK population, but generally speaking people are fed up of hearing about the iraq war. Yes, we know it was not quite legal and there plenty of dirt to throw, but its ooolldd news. Big issues tend to be immigration and hospitals, and also flexible working hours for parents.

[anthonycea]

Why accept the same old same old when things are going bad, get out and make things happen and demand new leadership :o

Things can change if enough energy is put fourth by the people, what I see everyone from the UK saying is that there is no chance for change, I don't fall for that line.

The Republicans do not have a chance in the mid-term elections and Bush is a lame duck here in the states already, so we will see change if we want change.

[Padawan]

so we will see change if we want change.

But is it "real" change or are you simply swapping one brand of corruption for another - are any politicians in society today completely honest, moral and ethical???

[anthonycea]

Do you want the same old "Oil & War men" running the show, Americans are going to do away with those who took power and ruined this nation.

Like I said Bush is a lame duck and none of his policies will be supported, his social security program is doomed and he is under so much pressure on oil and the war that he must give in or none of his programs will pass into law.

He can't get his judges approved nor folks like Mr. Bolton as UN rep. because Senators are not supporting him out of fear for their jobs in the mid term elections.

[sue]

...Better the devil you know!!??

But I do have one (just one) good reason to keep Blair, and that is for the Ban on hunting with dogs. Yuk horrible *sport*.

[anthonycea]

Well that is not a big deal here in the states as all the hunters use dogs to hunt.

They vote Republican because the Republicans tell the Rednecks that the Dem's will take their guns, beer and pickup trucks :p :o

The Republicans are famous for taking advantage of Church going folks and Rednecks and those people can't see that the Rich Men at the top of the Republican party just use them to get in office, truth is they could not care less for those folks, just the 2% super rich is all. :o

Like the old saying goes a sucker is born every minute :o

[minstrel]

Well that is not a big deal here in the states as all the hunters use dogs to hunt.
Except in Michigan... they use cats to hunt there... :eek:

No, wait! It's the other way round: They hunt cats in Michigan... yeah, that's the ticket :mad:

[GTech]

Well, post #69 is Anthony's version of reality. Those old enough to believe in those kind of fairy tales are not old enough to vote in the first place.

Americans, as with most free voting democracies, will continue to vote for those that they feel will benefit them most. In our case, we (well, most) want someone that will take the threat our enemies pose, seriously. Democrats are not *currently* capable of doing so. Appeasement is more their style (North Korea).

Those that are generally whining and crying are typically more concerned about the rights of terrorists to stay in a Marriott Hotel, served fresh chicken and vegetables, while planning their next deed.

The last senetence, about Bolton...Democrats are using their last ditch effort as cry babies to try anything to stop something Bush wants. Has nothing to do with fear of their jobs. Dems are notoriously crybabies and think for the better of their own immediate needs as opposed to those for the better of our nation. What dems are doing to Bolton and judicial nominations is embarrassing for them. It only solidifies Democrats efforts to divide our nation at any cost.

[anthonycea]

GTech, I have not laughed out loud at a post in a long time, good one man, have you thought of writing comedy because that last post of yours is great comic genius :p

[minstrel]

Oh wonderful... Gtech is back...

Didn't the other kids at school beat you up yet, Gtech? :eek:

[GTech]

As long as you can laugh at your own misfortune ;)

Is it time for a "Bush stole my can of oil" post yet?

Minstrel, I didn't know you were in grade school? They grow beards early up there, eh?

[minstrel]

You must have thought long and hard to come up with that side-splitter, Gtech. Don't give up your paper route just yet, okay?

[anthonycea]

GTech is one of my forum hero's Minstrel, even though we agree on little he adds energy to every thread.

Sort of like you and I Minstrel, needless to say he is a great forum player like you Minstrel and I have a hell of a lot of fun with both of you guys.

PS: Minstrel you and I have agreed on one issue, or maybe two but are still friends, so it is possible that you guys can be friends :p :o

[GTech]

It took about as long as it did you bashing forum members for trying to help. It doesn't surprise me though, since I pointed out your childish posting earlier today, that you would suddenly take an interest in me.

[minstrel]

You're mistaken, Gtech. I'm not interested in you. You're confusing me with Elton John again...

[GTech]

I'm glad you cleared that up. You seem pre-occupied with school children and those that carry paper routes. I thought maybe you were trying to pull a Michael Jackson on me.

[anthonycea]

I am getting great laughs out of you guys but we need to get back on topic before the big man gets mad :eek: :eek:

[GTech]

All in a day's fun :D

[Design Agent]

On topic:

Election in the UK...
Most people I know will not vote, spoil it or something of the like.
With the voting system we have here The top 2 hold the balance of power...

When I was studying politics in school we had a question "will labour ever win another election?' and now look.

There is NO solution in the UK. Everyone works so hard that most people will no longer make voting a priority.

Blair and Howard voted for the war, kennedy took the opposite stance, the bbc was squashed and now we hae a situation where we want Any and Dec to rule the country (or at least have a fame academy style voting system).

Most of the UK gets the situation - IF you want to win you need money, if you get the money you OWE or are owned. Same in the US and UK. SO it makes NO difference. Most major corps give money to both parties (here and in the US). So what does it matter?.

As far as in the US.. most of Europe (in my experience) has alot of bad to say about current US policy. Howere, Im sure Clinton had his issues too, I think he was generally more subtle.

It seems to me that the US media produces very biased opinions either Republic or Dems.. nowhere in betweeen.

Murdoch owns 175 leading national papers or something - so whatever you read he will have had an influence.
Once again, the problem is power, not politics, religion or anything else really.

[anthonycea]

So the consensus is that all of our leaders are puppets and there is nothing the people or the free press (bloggers) can do about it.

Well WE (us, all of us need to make a change and publish our asses off if this is the case) must keep fighting because the internet community can be a more powerful force than the powers that be. :eek:

DA you are correct, but I ain't gota go for it, because the rich rule over us does not mean that we quit fighting for what is right and just let them roll over us and what is right.

Are we going to just let them plant a microchip under our skin to fight terror :confused: Hell no I am not going to roll over that easy and let the doctors put a Visa Card in my forehead :eek:

No more money (cash) just electronic transactions that keep you under the powers that be as a prisoner of international bankers.

You in the UK are leaders in the world and in intellectual circles, if you guys give up the fight for your own independence and give into the EU and the Germans then you can kiss your asses good buy and we in the USA will follow.

Fight for what is moral and correct lest you become victims of the rich and powerful. :cool:

[Design Agent]

The only thing left that is morally correct is to look after those close to you.
My personal opinion is that these borders at what really causes the problem. Is some really French because they live 2 steps from the German border?

Cash these days is used to calculate a country's crime and blackmarket. As far as the 'fight the power' argument - There is no way to fight back. We want everything cheaper and better. We will take it from whoever sells it best to us. We will continue to use the planet's resources and there is no way to reverse the trend. I dont mean to be the bringer or doom, but the only real solution is for the world to develop more and more as fast as possible until our technology means that these issue we have can be fixed. Whether we get there in time.. who knows?

Did you know an iceberg fell of in the artic.... It was the size of jamaica. Personally, I find that a little scary.

[anthonycea]

I just seen a story on the news about the 30th anniversary of the end of the Vietnam war, it was today.

They showed children with major freaky birth defects from the "Agent Orange" that the USA sprayed over the jungles and it was tragic.

These families sued the US Government here in the states and the Federal Judge threw the suit out of court. What does that tell you about the justice system in the USA :confused:

But the chemical companies paid 180 Million to our servicemen that were injured by the same.

These folks just wonder when justice will be served to their children who were born with major deformities because of our stupidity.

[GTech]

As a gentle reminder, there is no political boundary to the rich in politics. They are all rich, whether they are campaigning on the right or left. In our last election in the US, George Soros tried to buy the election. I might point out, he failed.

[anthonycea]

So did we really CHOOSE in the last two elections GTech (not really, but we don't need to argue that in this thread over and ruin it for our UK friends), but you are right.

This country was founded by great men but money has ruined the integrity that our founding fathers had in mind when original laws were written.

[Design Agent]

I think the UK population got as good a view of the US elections as most in the US ;)

[anthonycea]

The UK once was the leader of the free world and in many ways still is, so if you all raise hell and demand real leadership and fight for it then the world may be a better place.

But to let the rich roll over the citizens is sure destruction, the people must take back the transmission of the message (bloggers) and get it out to the people, word of mouth is powerful, very powerful.

[GTech]

Yes, we chose. But the minority who was not happy, often times chooses to fabricate stories otherwise.

The democrat party didn't win for a number of reasons. It didn't help that they put the likes of Kerry (treason, liar, flip flopper) out front. Try as they may, even the mainstream media could not do enough to help Kerry. Democrats failed to convince the American people they are capable or even concerned about terrorism. A legitimate issue that most of us take seriously.

[Design Agent]

The UK once was the leader of the free world and in many ways still is, so if you all raise hell and demand real leadership and fight for it then the world may be a better place.

The UK was also once the leader of the enslaved world. Romans, Mongols many have ruked the world. The only thing free about the UK is the minds of the people I would say.

But to let the rich roll over the citizens is sure destruction, the people must take back the transmission of the message (bloggers) and get it out to the people, word of mouth is powerful, very powerful.

There is a lot of irrelevence, mistruth, opinion and shallow conjecture. The only way to control a free society is through fear and we have that already

[anthonycea]

Yes, we chose. But the minority who was not happy, often times chooses to fabricate stories otherwise.

The democrat party didn't win for a number of reasons. It didn't help that they put the likes of Kerry (treason, liar, flip flopper) out front. Try as they may, even the mainstream media could not do enough to help Kerry. Democrats failed to convince the American people they are capable or even concerned about terrorism. A legitimate issue that most of us take seriously.

So the lies that the swift boat guys told had nothing to do with that GTech?

Remember this thread is for the Brit's so don't blow it open with our crap.

A reporter asked Bush in the press conference why there are more terror attacks and folks dying in terror attacks since the war on terror started and he mumbled a bit and really could not give a good answer, what is your solution GTech :confused:

[Blogmaster]

This thread is great! I am very happy about it. It allows all of us to see each others' sides in a more relevant light. I personally look at things from an American point or a republican point of view. I love Tony Blair. I think he is great in the scheme of globae issues and causes, and I compare his spontaneous actions to those of Rudy Giuliani.

[Design Agent]

I love Tony Blair. I think he is great in the scheme of globae issues and causes, and I compare his spontaneous actions to those of Rudy Giuliani.

Thats fair enough, but being spontanous with your Girlfriend is one thing, going against the will of your whole country is another.

[anthonycea]

How can you support the "Houston Oilmen's Party" SiteTutor (Blair is a member along with Bush and Cheney), do you like paying $3.50 a gallon for gas :confused:

TOOT are you happy about the disaster in Iraq :confused:

Our men don't want to be there TOOT.

Would you like to replace them :confused:

[Design Agent]

I wouldn't mind $3.50 thats cheaper than it is here anyway.

[anthonycea]

That is a result of over taxation and the Oil men price fixing to make exorbitant profits, simple as that.

We used to buy gas for .15 cents a gallon 35 years ago and in 1973 Richard Nixon & Henry Kissinger were telling us we were out of Oil, just another lie by the Oil Men to rip off the world in the biggest scam ever and the cause of all of our current troubles.

When they artificially raised the prices on Oil and the stakes got much higher then all nations are willing to fight for this "Black Gold", it really is only worth 5% of what they charge and is all a rip off to make Greedy people rich.

All this greed will result in WWIII and will destroy the earth and most of the population when the bombs start really flying.

[Design Agent]

Then take the first step and get out there and do something to solve the situation.. if you are not already :D

[anthonycea]

DA, we already booted the British from this country in the "Boston Tea Party" now all they have is you and your friends to tax, so you must deal with it.

The war is not helping matters as they need more tax money to support it so there is little hope that taxes will be reduced, but it sure as hell is worth fighting for, over taxation is a burden on any people and hurts business.

[Design Agent]

.. So AC, what do you do to fight against 'the man' ?

[anthonycea]

Do what the Rolling Stones & Led Zeppelin did when they went on tax exile from the UK, I guess all you can do is hide or form corporations else where as many of the Rock Stars do, they incorporate publishing companies in favorable locals to administrate royalties.

You would have to contact your corporate attorney friends to get professional help. The above groups could afford the best lawyers in London and that may be the answer.

[ferret77]

Did you notice at that press comference when they asked GW about what how his energy plan would lower gas prices he didn't know.

[anthonycea]

Oil prices can't drop much unless everyone goes broke because of high oil prices and demand drops because no one has any money (the Republicans are working on this = worldwide economic depression).

The problem is that the dollar is very weak and the Arabs want more weak dollars to make up for the drop in the value of the dollar because of the government's budget deficit, now at all time records because of the Iraq war, so it is a vicious cycle.

Folks that are broke can not buy gas at .50 cents a gallon anyway.

So if the idiots bankrupt their own customers they will not have anyone to sell their overpriced oil to.

The logic of a thief is to steal as much as they can while they can and that is what the "Houston Oil Men" (Enron) do real well, but they bankrupt the economies of the world while they commit their thefts.

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Great article on the UK Election from CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/29/uk.election/

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[justicewhite]

A surprisingly unbiased article from CNN.

[Blogmaster]

Yes, we chose. But the minority who was not happy, often times chooses to fabricate stories otherwise.

The democrat party didn't win for a number of reasons. It didn't help that they put the likes of Kerry (treason, liar, flip flopper) out front. Try as they may, even the mainstream media could not do enough to help Kerry. Democrats failed to convince the American people they are capable or even concerned about terrorism. A legitimate issue that most of us take seriously.
right, they had no decent plan on their own. They just wanted to trash Bush and all of his efforts. Ppl understood that it would have been a disaster having Kerrey take over as Commander in Chief.

[anthonycea]

John Kerry is a hell of a lot smarter than the entire Bush administration put together TOOT. :o

PS: We have been in a disaster since the "Bush Senior Gang" Stole the election in 2000, hate to break the news to you man :eek:

PSS: No one has to trash Bush and his efforts, he has done a complete job of trashing this nation, the press needs to get off of it's ass and expose this administrations failure and complete sell out of the American people and hold them responsible for the destruction of the world economy. :eek:

[Blogmaster]

Thats fair enough, but being spontanous with your Girlfriend is one thing, going against the will of your whole country is another.
I believe that 10 yrs down the road most Brits will see that it was the right things to do.

[anthonycea]

Maybe you missed the CNN article TOOT where the mother of one of the dead UK servicemen is now filing a lawsuit against the Government and Tony Blair for this illegal war :cool:

PS: maybe it was right in the first Gulf war in 91 TOOT, but we had the wrong guy in office making decisions then too and he let Saddam live.

[benb7760]

Anyone but Blair. If a party came along swearing they'd wipe out chavs I'd vote them.

[anthonycea]

Hell Ozzy Osbourne would be better, at least he is honest :o :cool:

[GTech]

So the lies that the swift boat guys told had nothing to do with that GTech?


I've seen nothing *credible* that suggests the swifties lied. In fact, I've seen just the opposite. What I saw, was willing mainstream media that shilled for Kerry to cover up his treason. I saw a MSM that buried the story FOR HIM. I saw a MSM that, without investigation, simply wrote off the swifties. 300 of them, vs the 10 John Kerry had on his payroll to say otherwise.

Be glad I wasn't here during that time. I have more info on John Kerry's treason to this country then you'll ever want to see. I'm sure his treason was one of the main reasons you voted for him.


A reporter asked Bush in the press conference why there are more terror attacks and folks dying in terror attacks since the war on terror started and he mumbled a bit and really could not give a good answer, what is your solution GTech :confused:

Actually, he did have a response. Why you would suggest he didn't (other than to intentionally lie) is open to debate. Like I've said before, there are many reasons to not like Bush. But you don't have to lie and make things up do to it.


Well, we've made the decision to defeat the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them here at home. And when you engage the terrorists abroad, it causes activity and action. And we're relentless. We, the -- America and our coalition partners. We understand the stakes, and they're very high because there are people still out there that would like to do harm to the American people.

But our strategy is to stay on the offense, is to keep the pressure on these people, is to cut off their money and to share intelligence and to find them where they hide. And we are making good progress. The al Qaeda network that attacked the United States has been severely diminished. We are slowly but surely dismantling that organization.

In the long run, Terry -- like I said earlier -- the way to defeat terror, though, is to spread freedom and democracy. It's really the only way in the long-term. In the short-term, we'll use our troops and assets and agents to find these people and to protect America. But in the long-term, we must defeat the hopelessness that allows them to recruit by spreading freedom and democracy. But we're making progress.


Unfortunately, and as usual, the reporter did not take into account the daily terrorists attacks against not only coalition troops, but the people of Iraq as well.

What's the solution? Keep doing exactly what we are doing. Closing off their funding, capturing them, convincing other countries that appeasement (ie: Spain) is not the solution. When you take away the daily acts happening in Iraq, the picture of terrorism is quite different.

You have to realize Anthony, that some people are glad we've not had anymore terrorist attacks in the US. Under Clinton, for the most part, they went ignored. And we clearly saw, that ignoring them won't make them stop. Not everyone is willing to make terrorists victims.

[anthonycea]

Why would they want to attack here at this time when our men are sitting ducks for them in Iraq GTech????

You know that but hide facts with freedom propaganda, this war is not about freedom but oil greed man, get real :confused:

In addition the UK will pull out soon after their elections and Bush will have no help at all.

More attacks are happening everyday, we are not winning the war, in fact Bush just asked for and got another 82 Billion and it will all be wasted as we will not be able to hold that ground and will withdraw soon and the country will be back in civil war and we will have done nothing but destroyed their land and leave.

This is what is going to happen GTech and the EU (NATO) will step in after we leave :o

[GTech]

Why would they want to attack here at this time when our men are sitting ducks for them in Iraq GTech, you know that but hide facts :confused:


So you do get it? Imagine my surprise! We fight them in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here? Tell me you really get it, say it isn't so!

And not only that, but we're taking them out a dime a dozen. No, our men are not sitting ducks. They are there to help the people of Iraq, who are also targets of these virgin seeking terrorists that are coming in from neighboring countries.


In addition the UK will pull out soon after their elections and Bush will have no help at all.


I'm sure that's what you hope for, but it's speculation.


More attacks are happening everyday, we are not winning the war, in fact Bush just asked for and got another 82 Billion and it will all be wasted as we will not be able to hold that ground and will withdraw soon and the country will be back in civil war and we will have done nothing but destroyed their land and leave.


Not every takes on your defeatest position. You want the US to fail, so you say things like that. You want terrorists to win, to take over and deny Iraqi's freedom, so you hope for the worst. But not everyone shares that opinion, Anthony.


This is what is going to happen GTech and the EU will step in after we leave :o

Imagine if everyone used a wiji board to make such predictions :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

The EU is going to sit back and watch us go broke and lose more men until the American people demand a withdraw as we did in Vietnam, they know that this will happen soon and Bush will have no choice because if does not withdraw he will be impeached.

[GTech]

The EU is going to sit back and watch us go broke and lose more men until the American people demand a withdraw as we did in Vietnam, they know that this will happen soon and Bush will have no choice because if does not withdraw he will be impeached.

Again, imagine if everyone used a wiji board to make such predictions.

Just because you want us to fail in Iraq doesn't mean everyone wants us to.

[Design Agent]

I believe that 10 yrs down the road most Brits will see that it was the right things to do.
It wasn't, isn't and can't be the right thing. If the question had been "should Saddam be removed" the answer would be yes. However, that was not the case. To try and cover it up infront of 50 million people is the whole reason labour hasnt run away with the election this time. If Brown had replaced Blair then there would be no competition.

[anthonycea]

It will not be the first time GTech, we failed in Vietnam, we failed in Lebanon, we failed in the first Gulf War by not taking out Saddam.

Get used to it man.

[GTech]

We failed in Vietname because of people like Kerry and Fonda. One of the Generals in Vietnam noted in his book after the war that they were ready to call it quits, but it was people like Kerry and Fonda that gave them strength to carry forward. The North captured the South after we left Vietnam.

Lebanon - no comment, not up to speed on it, but I sure don't take your word for it.

Gulf War 1 - we didn't fail, in fact, we accomplished our mission. Our mission was NOT to take out Saddam, but to help Kuwait.

It's really sad that you deliberately want to see your country fail. It's even worse that you pretend they did. I can't imagine where so much hatred for one's country comes from. Reminds me of John Kerry.

[anthonycea]

Like I said yesterday GTech, you would make a great comic with that material, but this is not a laughing matter as many are losing their lives over this oil war.

In addition the world economy is being destroyed by this war.

So even though you are funny, you can bet your ass that the American people are happy that John Kerry is still in Washington fighting for the American people against this Republican Gestapo.

Guess what, I am sure glad he did not “win” so Bush can languish in his own cesspool that he and his Father created along with Cheney.

I am sure John Kerry will sit on the panel that impeaches Bush :o

[GTech]

The only panel Kerry needs to be on, is the panel that convicts him of treason. Giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/letter.asp

Just because you say, and provide no evidence to substantiate (as usual) this is an oil war, doesn't make it so. It's not. But for as much as the likes of nut jobs suggest it is, with nothing to back it up, I do wish we were in fact getting some oil out of it. That way, we could benefit from low oil prices, which we are not.

The world economy is not being destroyed. Every day on digital point is a reminder that free enterprise is alive and well. There are many people here making very good money. Unemployment rate here in the US is very low, especially compared to other countries.

Just because you want the world economy to fail, the sky to fall and terrorists to prevail, doesn't mean everyone thinks the same.

And just because you want your country to fail, doesn't mean others do.

[anthonycea]

That is nothing but a Republican propaganda link GTech, you have all of them.

Now we are way off track talking about American politics instead of the UK Election, you knew this would happen because you Republicans sure have great hope that Blair gets re-elected since it will be a slap in the face of Bush if he loses :o :D :o

I hope the British and the rest of the UK wake up because this is their chance to pay Bush back with the defeat of Tony Blair and the "Houston Oilmen's Association" :eek:

[Blogmaster]

Anthony, Kerry was the worst choice for a Presidential nominee that the Democrats could have made and you have to admit them (I am greatful :D )

[Blogmaster]

From the moment Kerry was selected I felt safe that Bush will have another 4 years :)

[GTech]

Actually, I just hope the Brits can vote for who they think will serve them best, without death threats, intimidation and bribery from the likes of the thugs I linked to on page one of this topic.

As far as waking up, I'm sure they (and other countries) are taking notice of how Holland woke up after the Theo van Gogh murder. In that context, I agree. It's time to wake up.

[Blogmaster]

I have read about van Gogh's murder, an outspoken journalist and decendent of Vincent Van Gogh. It is so funny how people feel safe just because they are not being threatened and then wake up. Tony Blaire is smart enough to see the potential dangers in the future and Brits can caall themselves blessed to have a guy who is not afraid to run against the wind. Popular opinion is not always what is best for a nation.

[GTech]

From the moment Kerry was selected I felt safe that Bush will have another 4 years :)

I was too. I was particularly surprised at the "in your face" effort the MSN went to, to hide kerry's treasonous past. Even more so, that some actually told their reporters to give kerry more favorable coverage than Bush.

In the end, it was sweet victory. Knowing the likes of George Soros couldn't buy an election, that CBS couldn't forge documents and fabricate a story to bring him down, that the NYT couldn't get a grip on their weapons story the week before and that the media all but gave kerry a free pass, made me realize that the Amercan people are not as gullible as the MSM wishes they were.

And perhaps the sweetest victory was, that Terry McAnger (McAuliffe) failed twice. He'll go down as one of the most non-infuential nut jobs the DNC ever employed.

[anthonycea]

From the moment Kerry was selected I felt safe that Bush will have another 4 years :)

First off anyone that feels safe with Bush as President should go serve in Iraq, TOOT you never answered when I asked if you would replace some of the women sent there because they joined the National Guard to work one weekend a month but were sold down the river by Bush and sent to the front lines.

Second, this election was stolen just like the one in 2000 by fraud in Ohio (Diebold voting machines and Ohio Republicans counting votes in 2004).

So TOOT you are wrong on both counts. Bush never won either election but was inserted by corruption in the system and everyone knows this.

You both have your heads in the sand as did those who voted for Richard Nixon twice.

I just hope our friends in the UK defeat suck ass Tony Blair and give Bush what he deserves.

[GTech]

Only in Anthony's small reality :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

I understand that the truth hurts you GTech, the economy crashing, record oil prices, Bush begging old folks to give up Social Security because he bankrupted the government, record trade and budget deficits, a weak dollar that causes inflation and generally the Republican party not wanting to associate with their own President because of the Iraq disaster :eek:

I completely understand GTech :p :D :p

[GTech]

Again, only in your small reality.

Add a little aluminum foil on the left side and pinch the upper right hand corner. Your reality will come back!

[anthonycea]

What did I post that was not true GTech :confused:

Point one thing out and I will prove the point you refute :o

[GTech]

What did I post that was not true GTech :confused:

Point one thing out and I will prove the point you refute :o

There's very little truth to anything you post. I've read often that liberalism is a disease, and perhaps you can't help these weird thoughts that come into your mind and take the side of our enemies.

Here, start with these:

economy crashing
record oil prices
Bush begging old folks to give up Social Security because he bankrupted the government

And when you get through, you can explain why you want your country to fail so bad.

[anthonycea]

Each of those things are reality GTech, they are all common knowledge :o

Pull your head out of the Republican PR Fog and you might be able to read current events :eek:

[GTech]

If you apply the same effort to your work, as you do backing up your statements with that response, it's no wonder you can't make any money!

[anthonycea]

So you are saying that you never were aware of record oil prices then GTech, or the record budget and trade deficits, or the Social Security Issue, or the stock market and consumer confidence numbers droping for the 3rd month in a row, or record drops in manufactuing indexes :confused:

[GTech]

Not in the context's you presented above.

After all, if "Bush begging old folks to give up Social Security because he bankrupted the government" is common knowledge, you shouldn't have any trouble finding a *credible* source to substantiate your position. Something with a little more effort than a predefined search string to vivizimo.

[anthonycea]

If things are so good GTech, why is GM going broke and losing market share?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002246706_gm20.html

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Also look at this report, Bush is affecting every aspect of the economy with his RECORD OIL PRICES, GM can't sell cars and Trucks and SUV's all of a sudden GTech and homes are not selling as well either because of the slowdown, makes you wonder why Bush wants old folks to give up their retirements now GTech :confused:

U.S. housing starts fall sharply in March
Decline by 17.6%, largest since Jan. 1991

By Greg Robb, MarketWatch
Last Update: 9:37 AM ET April 19, 2005


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Construction of new houses in the U.S. fell 17.6% in March, the

biggest drop in over 14 years, the Commerce Department estimated Tuesday.


Housing starts fell to a seasonally adjusted 1.837 million annualized units.

The drop was much larger than expected. Economists were looking for starts to fade to 2.09

million. See Economic Calendar

February's new construction was revised higher to 2.229 million from the 2.195 million level

reported last month. This was the highest rate of housing starts in 21 years.

Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said investors should resist

the temptation to argue that the drop in March housing starts represents the serious slowing in

housing activity.

"Starts have been inexplicably elevated relative to new home sales in the past couple of months

and this drop represents a correction," he said.

But other economists weren't so sure.

Drew Matus, economist at Lehman Brothers, noted that the April Home Builders sentiment index fell

to its lowest level in seven months in April on Monday.

"This raises concerns about housing-related growth going forward," Matus said.

More lows for March

Building permits for new housing fell 4% to a 2.023 million annual rate. This is the lowest level

since last August. Single family permits fell 5.4% to 1.552 million.

Both apartment and single family housing starts fell sharply in March.

Starts of new single-family homes fell by 14.4% to a 1.539 million seasonally adjusted annual

rate. This is the also sharpest decline since Jan. 1991.

Apartment starts fell 31.6% to 258,000. This is the sharpest decline since March 2000.

In March, starts in the Midwest fell 29.3% to 309,000. This is the lowest of starts since Feb.

2003.

Starts in the South fell 18% to 837,000. Starts in the West fell 12.7% to 503,000. In the

Northeast, starts fell 3.6% to 188,000.

The government's housing data are subject to large sampling and other statistical errors.

Seasonal adjustment is particularly tricky during winter months, when weather plays a crucial

factor.

The government cautions that it can take up to five months for a new trend to be established in

starts.

[GTech]

Maybe because they can't manage things. Maybe because after 9/11 the economy took a huge hit and they were giving away car loans (the biggest part of their business, not cars themselves) at 1.5% and in some cases, FREE.

If it's so bad, why are you on the internet? To hear you tell it, we all live in card board boxes and eat out of the trash bins at McDonalds :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

Sorry GTech, you are wrong, GM is in trouble because of Bush and Cheney and the "Nixon Oil Gang" and these great American workers will pay "The Bush Team" back for this.

You do not put the largest American Auto company on the ropes then blame it on GM management like Bush is doing, he is a reject from the funny farm as is Cheney, no one ever expected oil prices to go up like this, putting in danger the entire world economy because of their stupid policies.

Just think of what this will do to the future of the industry and to this nation if GM closes more plants GTech, all thanks to Bush and "The Houston Oil Mafia".

[GTech]

You're nuts! I can't even rationalize how you can come up with this stuff. It's like you deliberately try to pretend that 9/11 didn't happen and that GM and other car manufacturers didn't suffer tremendously from it. Pretend they were not giving away 1.5% loans (loans of which is GM's major business).

You think with OPEC setting prices, they might get a little share of your "blame America first for everything" mantra, but geez, you even give them a pass and show your true intelligence by claiming Bush raises the prices.

Nope, I can't figure it out at all :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

You are like Bush and tell everyone how strong the economy is as we slip into a depression, I guess you are right and Alan Greenspan and Warren Buffett are wrong.

Bush is doing a great job GTech..........are you happy now :confused: :o :D

[GTech]

That depends. Do you think I should paint my cardboard box "hunter green" or "bone white?" And how much does it cost to get cable modems hooked up when you live under a bridge? :rolleyes:

The economy is doing well. It's had ups and downs over the last hundred years under both republican and democrats. And I'm sure there were plenty "the sky is falling" types during all those times.

Your first challenge is to overcome that terrorists hurt our country. As it stands right now, they could be ready to chop your head off right now, and you'd still be blaming Bush for their actions.

Maybe you think avoiding such is clever, but it paints a dire picture of what you stand for.

[anthonycea]

They want us out of their lands GTech, get it through your head, if we were not in Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Palestine they would not give a shit about us.

You just have a hard time with this reality for some odd reason.

[GTech]

They want us out of their lands GTech, get it through your head, if we were not in Saudi Arabia and Iraq and Palestine they would not give a shit about us.


That's the biggest BS I've read yet. So it's fair to say then, that they are not as peaceful and tolerant as the propaganda reads?

Imagine if we changed that aroud. Imagine that instead, you said "We want them out of our lands. If they were not here, we wouldn't give a shit about them."

Now, when you change it around, it becomes how clear those words of hatred are. Shameful.

I didn't know we were in Palestine? Is that a new state?

[anthonycea]

You are so far out in left field at times GTech it is no wonder you have a hard time understanding the real issues we are dealing with, you need to good dose of reality instead of Republican Hype.

Remember the Iran crisis, they want us OUT of their lands GTech, get with it man.

[GTech]

You are so far out in left field at times GTech it is no wonder you have a hard time understanding the real issues we are dealing with, you need to good dose of reality instead of Republican Hype.

Or, I could just pretend terrorists are really swell, nice guys and we just don't understand their desire to chop heads. You know, make em victims!

[GTech]

Remember the Iran crisis, they want us OUT of their lands GTech, get with it man.

Do we want them out of our lands? That probably wouldn't be acceptable though, huh? It's ok for them, but not for us.

Whose your buddy, whose your pal?

[anthonycea]

You do remember the Iran hostage crisis, or were you too young GTech :confused:

[GTech]

Sure, but I don't make excuses for terrorists. But you go right ahead ;)

[anthonycea]

Who sold Saddam weapons to fight the Iran-Iraq war since we wanted to get back in Iran GTech :confused:

[GTech]

According to the chart, the USSR and France did the most arming:

http://www.defendingliberty.com/iraqweapons.htm

But you don't really care about that. What if we did turn it around Anthony, and tell THEM we want THEM out of OUR lands? I bet you'd be screaming "victim" at every corner.

Yes, it's amazing what you support, and what you don't.

[anthonycea]

By your chart the same folks are still arming the enemy in Iraq right now GTech, like I have said many times before, China and Russia are sending unlimited amounts of weaponry into the war zone, that is why we will never hold that ground and NATO must be sent in.

This war will never end until we leave Iraq and deals are made to end the war.

The enemy will not deal with us GTech.

[GTech]

Incorrect. The chart goes up to 2002. Read the chart and also note the source.

So to answer your question, the USSR and France armed Saddam the most. And now you know. One less thing you can try to blame your country for.

The war is not with Iraq, it's with virgin seeking terrorists being sent in to prevent Iraqi's freedom. It's a shame you don't support their freedom. Sad, in fact.

[anthonycea]

What I meant is that the same nations by your chart that were shipping weapons to Iraq are still sending them in now to fight against us.

You are bright enough to understand without twisting what I say GTech, don't make yourself look bad to future readers by trying to bend their thinking because you will insult them.

[GTech]

I think the chart is quite explanatory. It answered your question very well.

[anthonycea]

Well since Russia and China are sending weapons in against us what is your solution to winning the peace GTech :confused:

[GTech]

I don't know that they still are sending in weapons. I don't believe there will EVER be peace in the middle east. There never has and I suspect never will. The religious doctrine prevents it. But things can be "more" peaceful when good men and women get tired of these thugs coming in from Syria, Saudi, France (yes we've caught some French virgin seekers there) and start taking matters into their own hands. We're there at the request of the Iraqi government right now. Helping Iraqi's combat those that want to destroy their freedom.

[anthonycea]

Sure Russia and China are both sending weapons in, as well as North Korea, you will have to understand that Russia is one of, if not the largest oil producer in the world and they are not just going to sit back and let us take control of the oil fields GTech, nor will China who has a great demand for oil.

[GTech]

We're not there to take control of their oil fields. That's been established and documented very well. The oil in Iraq belongs to Iraqi's, though there are a number of countries who want to make claim to it, because of the debts saddam owed them.

As for the rest, I'd have to see solid sources before I accepted it. We're fighting terrorists in Iraq. They use money from countries like Spain who have paid them off, like Qatar who pays for protection:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1592472,00.html

[anthonycea]

It is a fight over Trillions of dollars worth of oil GTech, no matter who is there fighting, that is what the fight is over :o

[GTech]

Call it what you will, we're not there for their oil and we've made it clear that Iraq oil belongs to the Iraqi people. We're not mining it now, and it will be another ten years before Iraq can get anywhere near being able to complete with the sale of oil on the world market.

If we were like the UN oil thieves, then that would be another topic for debate. But I know you are not fond of talking about the UN oil thieves, and those countries that were bought off with saddam's oil vouchers.

[anthonycea]

Well by claiming UN Oil scandals that must mean that the whole thing is simply an oil play no matter who the players are GTech :o

Now we must let the Brit's have this one back, I have to go to bed and go to work all week in the hot Sun on a brick crew GTech.

So it is their thread, let them argue about Blair and Howard, as always GTech, good talking with you :)

[GTech]

Yea, I've gotta finish a site up. Was fun, as always!

For those following along, Anthony and I are not mad at each other. We do this, call it a day, and come back tomorrow for a Halliburton thread.

I disagree with just about everything Anthony says, but I respect that he doesn't take things personally and we can go round and round, no hard feelings, and call it a day.

Take care Anthony :D

[Blogmaster]

you guys should have a TV show together like "Hannity and Colmes" :)

[GTech]

Yea, that would be cool. Then I wouldn't have to live in this cardboard box from the economy that Bush ruined :D Even a blog, that would be cool.

I enjoy knocking it around with Anthony. At the end of the day, we can wrap it up, and come back tomorrow without hard feelings. It's not every day you run across an opportunity like that on the web.

[anthonycea]

Let us hope Tony Blair is defeated today, if he wins let us hope his party loses seats in Parliament so he is a true lame duck like Bush is in the USA :o :D

[yfs1]

He is up in the polls (Do you know his opponents Anthony?) so it will be interesting to see what happens.

What do you think of Clinton endorsing him Anthony?

[Weirfire]

My Gran saw Tony Blair yesterday. He was in Dumfries and visited the community centre behind her house. A friend took her round in her wheel chair and he was about to come over and speak to her when he got diverted to someone else lol. She's always getting herself into those situations.

I'll be voting for Gordon Brown today :)

[yfs1]

I'll be voting for Gordon Brown today :)

Trying to keep Foreign Nationals like me out of Scotland?


Actually I am only kidding, I think that whole thing is blown out of proportion and listening to him at the question and answer period he seemed to be more in support of reform so those who deserve asylum get it.

Why aren't you voting for your fellow countryman Charles Kennedy :rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

Tony Blair and Clinton were best friends when Clinton was President, so that is no surprise.

The bottom line is that Clinton was no good for the USA because he picked an idiot like Gore for VP.

Gore was an idiot for not letting Clinton campaign for him and let Bush in to steal the 2000 Election.

So it seems they all suck.

Let us hope Blair gets run out on a Buckboard for supporting Bush and his Oil War, Blair and Bush both work for the same people, "The Bank of England" and the "Oil Companies"

[yfs1]

Blair will benefit from the same thing that benefitted Bush...No real competition.

When people vote it will either be "for Blair" or "Anyone but Blair"

I predict a Blair win because when it comes down to it, people are voting for domestic issues, not the war on Iraq

No worries though Anthony as he already promised to step down if elected ;)

[Weirfire]

I've just found that the tories approach to this campaign is "Look at Labour smirking over there" "Don't vote for them because they'll be full of it if they win". It's so petty. They could have spent this time explaining their policies and what good things they are going to do instead of this school playground banter.

I'm fairly impressed with the way Labour have handled the economy and while there isn't really any parties which represent my moral concerns, I reckon Labour are the closest.

[yfs1]

I've just found that the tories approach to this campaign is "Look at Labour smirking over there" "Don't vote for them because they'll be full of it if they win". It's so petty. They could have spent this time explaining their policies and what good things they are going to do instead of this school playground banter.
This is the key and I don't understand why they didn't learn from the US election. Kerry tried to just get the anti-Bush vote and campaigned on Bush's negatives.

Most people didn't vote for him because they had no idea what he stood for.

[Blogmaster]

Gore was an idiot for not letting Clinton campaign for him and let Bush in to steal the 2000 Election.

I agree 100%, people would have respected him had he at least had the balls to say "Clinton is my friend and I didn't do it"

[Weirfire]

Thanks for that enlightning comment! I am definitely going to vote Labour now with all those positive points you mentioned :D

[MELLA]

Yes, Fab2004 god.. those points you made really helped me make up my mind. Your excellent comment just swung it for me. Thanks for that brilliant insight, and to think what I would have done if I haden't read your point of view on this matter. *shudders at the thought*

[anthonycea]

Don't vote for a lame duck (Tony Blair) Weirfire, vote for change :o

PS: Mella would not vote anyway, so don't believe her :cool:

PSS: Mella who is that hot long legged chick in your avatar :confused: :p

[Weirfire]

I know Mella!! :)

It's so rare to have someone really pour out such intellect and insight into a matter. What amazes me is someone with such brilliance would have the time to share some of his thoughts with us. It really is generous of him. I sure see fab4004 as a great role model and will certainly be joining his fan club this very minute :D

[yfs1]

Don't vote for a lame duck (Tony Blair) Weirfire, vote for change :o

I would have no problem with that if it meant actual change. Are you familar with Michael Howards policies?

He supports all of Blairs policies when it comes to the Iraq war.

They differ on immigration and taxes

[Weirfire]

Don't vote for a lame duck (Tony Blair) Weirfire, vote for change :o

I'm voting for Gordon Brown, as he will be running in my constituency. I reckon he will take over as PM when Blair steps down.

For 2 men who are supposed to hate each other, they have put on a great show this week. ;)

[MELLA]

PS: Mella would not vote anyway, so don't believe her :cool:


I will vote.

They let me out every once in awhile for special occasions like voting. :mad:

[Weirfire]

I would have no problem with that if it meant actual change. Are you familar with Michael Howards policies?

He supports all of Blairs policies when it comes to the Iraq war.

They differ on immigration and taxes

There's just something about Howard I don't trust. I reckon if things were going wrong then he'd just sweep it under the blanket. I admire Blairs openness this year. Obviously I dont know if Blair is hiding anything but Howard just comes across as an untrustworthy character. :confused:

[anthonycea]

Sure Mella, so are you going to tell us who the hot chick is :confused: :o

[yfs1]

I will vote.
:mad:

I think he means in the General Election, not DP's Reputation System :p

[yfs1]

There's just something about Howard I don't trust. I reckon if things were going wrong then he'd just sweep it under the blanket. I admire Blairs openness this year. Obviously I dont know if Blair is hiding anything but Howard just comes across as an untrustworthy character. :confused:

Did you watch the Town Hall Meeting last week where the Asylum Seeker was screaming at Howard?

[Weirfire]

I think he means in the General Election, not DP's Reputation System :p

hehe

Did you watch the Town Hall Meeting last week where the Asylum Seeker was screaming at Howard?

No what was he screaming about?

[MELLA]

I think he means in the General Election, not DP's Reputation System :p

*sigh*

why is everybody always picking on meeeeeeeee,
is it cos I run like a girl & I sit down to peeeeeee :mad:

It's Paris, Tone. Your favorite!!!!!!! I put it up especially for you..

I have some Shakira one's coming soon, watch this space.

God the things I do to satisfy your needs.....

[yfs1]

No what was he screaming about?

He kept saying "You hate me!" over and over until they had to shut him up. It was really entertaining.

Blair did extremely well in that "Debate" and it probably will end up being what pushed him over. Love him or hate him he never shys away from tough questions in that format unlike Kennedy and Howard who double talked their way out of everything.

I enjoy the UK elections a lot more than the US ones because fof those Town Meetings. A lot more real and unpolished

[anthonycea]

Quit your lying Mella, we all know that is your girlfriend Cherry :o

[MELLA]

cherry has black hair.

[anthonycea]

Yeah OK, you let the cat out of the bag long ago :o

[Padawan]

*sigh*
God the things I do to satisfy your needs.....
Please, tell us more ;) :p

[Weirfire]

He kept saying "You hate me!" over and over until they had to shut him up. It was really entertaining.

Blair did extremely well in that "Debate" and it probably will end up being what pushed him over. Love him or hate him he never shys away from tough questions in that format unlike Kennedy and Howard who double talked their way out of everything.

I enjoy the UK elections a lot more than the US ones because fof those Town Meetings. A lot more real and unpolished

You going to be staying up for the results tonight?

[Weirfire]

Please, tell us more ;) :p

Don't encourage her. It'll end up being another Cherry and Mella intro thread where they spanked yfs so many times I wonder if he needs special help when doing a tommy tolley ;)

[yfs1]

You going to be staying up for the results tonight?
It depends on the coverage. The BBC tends to just keep repeating itself over and over and it can be too much.

I am interested to see who wins although I will be absolutely amazed if Howard takes it from Blair.

[yfs1]

Don't encourage her. It'll end up being another Cherry and Mella intro thread where they spanked yfs so many times I wonder if he needs special help when doing a tommy tolley ;)

Yeah that thread got moved to her forum but fizzled as the best part was seeing all the newbies come into that thread and Cherry and Mella chewing them up and spitting them out.

Im amazed Mella hasnt revived that thread

[anthonycea]

The UK voter should vote on one issue, Blair going to war and his support of Bush, you guys all bitched when Bush stole another election here, yet still support Blair thus giving your approval to Bush by electing Blair. :o

Blame yourselves for the same old same old then :eek:

[yfs1]

The UK voter should vote on one issue, Blair going to war and his support of Bush, you guys all bitched when Bush stole another election here, yet still support Blair giving your approval to Bush by electing Blair. :o

Thats easy to say in a weak economy but you can't ask people in the current climate to vote that way. In the end people vote on how it affects them. They leave things like the Iraq war to their public complaining.

[anthonycea]

Tell us what current climate you speak of :confused:

[Weirfire]

Exactly yfs. Without the strong economy spending on certain areas would be a lot harder. I wish we had capitalised on the North Sea oil the way the Norwegians have though.

[yfs1]

The last 8 years --> http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1360925.htm

More thanks to Brown who will be taking over for Blair when he steps down after the election

Not to mention Howards view on the War in Iraq (Blairs only rival but who agrees with Blairs Iraq Policies)

[anthonycea]

Aussie News (ABC) is a great objective source, that I agree with, Blair I do not agree with :o

He is nothing more than a frontman for the oil companies and the Bank of England as Bush is also. :o

These men represent "business & industry", not the people :cool:

[yfs1]

As far as voting because of the US..I benefit from where the US economy is at. The dollar has never been weaker so goods from the US are dirt cheap.

Good if you are selling products in Europe from the US. Or hosting your sites in the US ;)

[MELLA]

Im amazed Mella hasnt revived that thread

Ah ha. Never encourage mella....

[yfs1]

He is nothing more than a frontman for the oil companies and the Bank of England as Bush is also. :o


I know very well your feelings on Blair but this is an election. Present a better alternative like you are pitching it to the UK masses and you may have a point.

The lesser of two evils is still evil

So heres your choice:

1.)War with Iraq, Stong Economy

or

2.)War with Iraq, Shite Economy

[Weirfire]

The labour government has also been really good for business startups like myself with their business gateway, and investNI.

For tories to get any votes they would have to have been a bit different than Labour. But as that article states, the tories have been too similar to Labour this term. It'll be interesting to see who is elected PM when Blair stands down, as long as Labour win the election of course :)

[anthonycea]

Was the economy in depression before Blair :confused:

Because it seems to me that you all may be blowing smoke on the economy issue :o

If the USA economy leads the world economy, then you can expect a downturn no matter if Blair is elected or not.

[MELLA]

quick for the love of god, somebody sew up anthony's arse....

[yfs1]

If the USA economy leads the world economy, then you can expect a downturn no matter if Blair is elected or not.

With the formation of the EU, that isn't nearly as true as it used to be.

And as far as the UK economy, there were definatley some hard times. This particularly affected Ireland.

[anthonycea]

China is where all the growth is today, the EU is a great force and the UK will be forced to join the EU if they let the threat of terror and fear sway the nation.

Our own policies will lead us into privacy invading and intrusive government that will watch everyone like they are a criminal.

If our policies toward other nations were not so intrusive on them we would have no need to fight terror and intrude on our own citizens treating the entire population like criminals.

Big Brother government is coming being brought about by bank fraud and terror fear.

Internet bank fraud and identity theft (ID Chips in your body = solution for bankers) is a bigger threat to our privacy than terror as banks push laws that will attempt to identify every transaction (every person via biometrics) and will report every transaction to the governments.

[yfs1]

the EU is a great force and the UK will be forced to join the EU

They won't have to force them hard since they are already part of the EU ;)

[anthonycea]

I am talking about forced use of EURO as currency :)

[yfs1]

I am talking about forced use of EURO as currency :)

You are correct..I thought you might have meant that.

There is more than economical issues to that though. The national pride for the Pound is huge. I wish they would just switch as it would be a huge boost to Ireland and the EU but I honestly don't see it happening in the near future. Their priority seems to be their heritage, not the economic benefits.

[anthonycea]

I did say "FORCED" to use EURO :eek:

[justicewhite]

China is where all the growth is today, the EU is a great force and the UK will be forced to join the EU if they let the threat of terror and fear sway the nation.

Our own policies will lead us into privacy invading and intrusive government that will watch everyone like they are a criminal.

If our policies toward other nations were not so intrusive on them we would have no need to fight terror and intrude on our own citizens treating the entire population like criminals.

Big Brother government is coming being brought about by bank fraud and terror fear.

Internet bank fraud and identity theft (ID Chips in your body = solution for bankers) is a bigger threat to our privacy than terror as banks push laws that will attempt to identify every transaction (every person via biometrics) and will report every transaction to the governments.


I couldn't have put it any better.

The good news is a few companies are moving into the Internet security market quite fast. They can see the $ signs.

[mikeid22]

It's ashame you seem blinded by reality. But, hopefully the Brits (no matter which party), will not have to endure

death threats, intimidation and bribery

to vote. Everyone deserves that.

Mate ! I am a brit and don't feel threatened at all !! - Media Hype....

Oh, and talking about rigging elections !!!! - Bush is the master at that ! (or at least his family are hey!)

- How many people were unable to vote last time because of minor offences ? - oh they could appeal, but it would be too late by then ! -

Just consentrate on sorting out the nutta you have in power and leave Tony B to us ! - His leadership is not going to last long i don't think !:D

[GTech]

heh!

You signed up on the forum to drag out a post that's over a year old to reply to little ol' me :)

And the best you can offer is Bush rigged elections! ROFL!

I'm flattered! Too cute! Welcome to the forum, BTW. Unless of course, you're an old face with a new nic ;)

[Blitz]

Who are you UK'ers supporting and why :confused:

Well, I don't like the war because I think it's a waste of money.
All that money going into bombs, bullets, schools, roads and their healthcare - I don't know why we should bother spending billions on rather 'backward' countries which noone in the UK cares about.

Also, our immigration needs to be sorted out. It's well too easy to come over here and work/get benefits/abuse our schools/abuse our healthcare. They say it's beneficial to the economy but I disagree, if it's essential to have a constant influx of foreign people to fill minimum wage jobs then our economy simply isn't working the way it should. As far as 'Asylum' is concerned, it seems to be a bunch of 40 year old blokes driving 15 year old BMWs wearing leather jackets - the ones who are supposed to be fighting to wars in their supposedly wartorn countries, not women and children.

What's always baffled me is - if they're escaping these 'wartorn' countries, what's wrong with France or Germany? Why do they make the extra effort to travel hundreds of miles through completely peaceful countries to cross into our borders? Because we give them more money and we're too generous.

But yeah, down with Tony Blair :)

[TommyD]

Nothing like seeing a group of people with sticks, beating a spot where a dead horse once was.

;)