Alex Doyle Associates

Foxy

Jun 25th 2004, 2:28 am

We paid by credit card....still working on chargeback....as yet no joy

ADA are into telephone sales in a big way.....So they phoned me and others as well...

IF ALEX DOYLE CAME UP WITH WHAT THEY PROMISED ME AND OTHERS WOULD BE VERY HAPPY PEEP'S....BUT THEY HAVENT!!!!!!!

For the information of everybody who is perhaps new to "the internet game" and with no criticism at all - don't you think that any internet firm, who was worth their grain of salt, would use the internet properly, ie ethically, to gain their sales in the medium they purport to be so good at!

Unforunately, by working cross media, they exploit the vulnerabilities that this allows. Unfortunately also, it seems that it is only after people have been conned that they arrive here.

As a word of caution for all those people who are new to the game - if you publish on the web site details of how people can contact you by another method, eg telephone sales, address, be aware that you are allowing everybody in the world access to contact you about everything at any time of the night or day. So people like Alex Doyle will do just that.

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 2:37 am

Isn't cold calling prohibited since last year here in the UK?

According to this news item it will be soon: http://www.shout99.com/contractors/showarticle.pl?id=25338&n=

Foxy

Jun 25th 2004, 3:17 am

This debate about one firm is on two threads - perhaps it should be merged?

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 3:22 am

The other one started about a different company though, but yeah it's pretty much all about Bogus Claims Associates, a.k.a. ADA

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 3:36 am

I agree Foxy....would be nice to keep this one going...so that anyone who now join's and want's to view this information about Alex Doyle Ass can do...on here... like i did yesterday...i'm really pleased in finding it...and all who i have comms with...PLUS this site has given loads more information and advice on other matters.
Peter

Kirkburton

Jun 25th 2004, 3:39 am

I didn't realise this thread was running on Alex Doyle...here is a copy of something I Posted elsewhere in this forum:

The Alex Doyle guarantee states:

<I>"We offer you five search terms, which will exclusively belong to you for a period of 12 months within which you will enjoy number one listings on the search engines above. Once purchased, these can’t be resold to any of your competitors hence you will have a unique lead on the field.

We will optimise your site, take the search words off our data-base, assign them to your site and then submit to the search engines listed above.

Here at Alex Doyle we pride ourselves on product delivery, to the extent that if for any reason we are unable to complete the work as specified, we guarantee a 100% refund of any money you spend towards this product.

The service period of twelve months will commence once you are on the number one spot of the search engines listed above. The time period of installation will usually take four weeks from the date of purchase at which point you will expect to see a number one listing.

You will receive monthly statistics to report on the performance of your site."</I>

Does this mean I have to wait 12 months before getting my money back?

For those wondering which search engines Alex Doyle Associates is guaranteeing you'll be top for are:

Yahoo
Msn
Lycos
Excite
Fast
Go to (alltheweb)
Alta Vista
Google
AOL
Ask Jeeves
Iwon
Go network
Open directory
Netscape search
Northern Light
Ixquick
Icq
SearchUk.com
Overture

So far for the five terms I chose , three are listed in Jayde, and one in exactseek, neither of which are mentioned in the above, this is after four months.

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 4:14 am

I can't get on their website http://www.alexdoyle.co.uk/ anymore... Out of business???

TheHoff

Jun 25th 2004, 5:36 am

No, just under construction for about 10 months.

I hear they have a few thousand monkeys working at a few thousand terminals...

magellan

Jun 25th 2004, 7:07 am

They called me and I wasn't interested.

Companies can now sign up to the Telephone Preference Service in the UK to take them off cold calling lists. There is a fine if a company calls you when your name is on the list.

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 7:17 am

I've sent a e mail to TPS to ask for my company to be taken off...but looking on their site...its not easy to find that link???? so in the end i sent a e mail...so hope that now works.

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 7:31 am

Thanks, good link!

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 7:45 am

Hello....Alex Doyle Ass ...(aka ADA) are you out there??????? We know you are!!!!..and are now viewing!!!!!! but making no comments....of which we are all awaiting your responce to our comments...as un-happy customers??????

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 7:55 am

They haven't been here for a while: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/member.php?u=445

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 7:59 am

Thanks Tops30,

But i think you will find that they are coming in under as quest...or 2 different names...which we cant get access to????

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 8:01 am

Yes you are right, they did drop by under a few names as dicovered by Shawn... I hope they ring me again one of these days... I'll play ignorant at first to waste their time, then go to town on them.

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 8:07 am

ok Tops30, wish they would give me a ring!!!! Just a shame that i didnt know about this site...when we first started.....I would just like to say Hi to you all and thanks loads for all you comments and advice...It has been welcomed...with many thanks....just hope that i can help or assist any of you from my side...
Pete

T0PS3O

Jun 25th 2004, 8:49 am

Try knocking on their door:

http://195.66.240.211/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=alexdoyle.co.uk

peterjohnston917

Jun 25th 2004, 11:07 am

thanks for that..will do..regards

Foxy

Jun 25th 2004, 11:40 am

That will be interesting - can't wait to hear the results!!!

Smyrl

Jun 25th 2004, 1:42 pm

I first saw that host and name servers listed when I was running down some pongraphic URLs spammed on a forum I deal with.

Shannon

peterjohnston917

Jul 1st 2004, 9:39 am

Action Group....verus Alex Doyle Ass Ltd....

If you wish to help in the formation of this group.... Please contact myself

Regards
Pete

PS Thanks for all of you who have contacted me already....Just how many more are there out there????? :(

leeds1

Jul 2nd 2004, 4:24 am

Try clicking their testimonials page

It goes....er....nowhere :D

peterjohnston917

Jul 9th 2004, 4:05 pm

Well the Forum is still open on this one.... will keep in touch with all as and when you want....The Story is still going on...and on....not sure if its good or bad at present.

Peter

ITC

Jul 15th 2004, 7:19 am

We are now working with Peter Johnston to get his site right!

Anyone who would like some advice on this matter, free or otherwise please don't hesitate to contact us.

After looking at Peter's site, the first words that came out of our mouths were 'Frameset!' uggghhhh!

Although there are ways around a frameset, none of them are particulary s/e/f

So for a company to say they have optimised your site, and leave the frameset, well, it just makes us mad!!! gggrrrhhh!!!! :(

Companies like these give our industry a bad name.

We have some high profile clients, such as FileMaker, Forces Reunited etc. etc. all who happily gave us permission to use their details as they are happy with our work.

I wish you all well with your pursuit of this company, and if you need any back up and expert advice, we would be only too gald to help rid our industry of scum like this.

Dominic Hayhoe
Internet Traffic Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.internet-traffic.uk.com

Foxy

Jul 15th 2004, 9:54 am

Well done you ITC

Smart work :)

and I am pleased for Peter

Dennis

Jul 16th 2004, 1:42 am

Foxy

Jul 16th 2004, 3:15 am

Yes well done ITC but one second, Not to make you look like a fool or anything. First of all after checking your website and your so called high profile clients, with very competitive terms such as MATCHBOX MODELS ultra competitive. I noticed a company called fresh prespectives who deals with walking holidays in spain. I was interested straight away as we have a company who deal with walking holidays in Spain. So we did a little check and what do you know fresh prespectives werent ther like you said they would be. Considering that one of our clients have been there for about the last seven months i would like to know how you claim that the company has a number one position on google.

Walking holiday in Spain
Walking Holidays Spain
Hiking holidays spain

I think you will find a company called pico verde a site optomized by Alex Doyle.

ADA

What a load of rubbish!

1. There is no credit, as far as I could see, to your company listed on that site.

2. So even if you did do the SEO on this site you are not number 1 with this site it is held by:

Walk Spain - Walking Holidays Spain, Walking holiday Algarve ... - [ Translate this page ]
... scenery, this is the package for you. Walking holiday Spain, Algarve,
Andalucia, Costa de la Luz. Walk Spain with Via Verde Experience. ...
perso.wanadoo.es/sailordeb/ - 10k - Cached - Similar pages

3. and no wonder with a Title tag of <title>Pico Verde - Walking holidays Spain, Walking holiday, Walking holidays, Walking holiday Spain, Hiking vacation Spain, Hiking vacations Spain, Hiking vacation Europe, Hiking vacations Europe, Walking tour Spain, Walking tours Spain, Walking tours Europe, Walking vacation Spain, Walking vacations Spain, Picos de Europa, Pyrenees,hiking holidays.</title>

4. Which seems to be the same on every page

5. The number one site is a perso page! which is a frameset! with a marginally shorter title tag! LOL - golly how amazing you cannot beat that for Walking holiday in Spain

and you are 7 for "walking holidays in spain" with that damn pesky perso page still there at no2!!

and you are only in the no 1 for "Hiking holidays spain" if you did the SEO!!!

6. So I went and checked for how many people searched on that term in any given day

Guess What?

Here is the answer - are you ready for it? - Can anybody guess?

Sorry! No results found

To appear here, your keyword needs at least three
appearances in the last 332 million searches.

Please try another keyword from the left window.

If your adult filter is ON, you might try turning it OFF
in the bottom left hand window.

I guess if I turned off the adult filter it might alter things - not!!

Go away ADA you have been proven wrong time after time and your ignorance is now showing totally

Dennis

Jul 16th 2004, 3:34 am

T0PS3O

Jul 16th 2004, 3:50 am

So if this is a 'valid' top position, show me the other 28 number one position on all the other search engines that you guarantee with your service...

Smyrl

Jul 16th 2004, 5:06 am

Good find.

Shannon

digitalpoint

Jul 16th 2004, 5:24 am

Foxy

Jul 16th 2004, 5:55 am

1. We did the work for them whether you believe it or not
2. ITC claim they had a customer at number 1 dont see you criticising them
3. Pico verde are with us and have number one listings and top positions.
4. Trying switching to pages from the UK then see.
5.Customers choose there own search terms thats the ones he wanted thats what we got him top positions for.
4 Craig Fox Johnson or whatever you want to be called, grow up.

Answers:

1. Anybody could claim that - I certainly wouldn't without any credits on the site

2. I could not care less about them - but I do about you and your masquerading

3. There you go again claiming you do work for them without any credits on the site

4. Lets get the market down to as small a number as possible shall we - afterall a .com is not specifically for the UK is it? If you new that you were going for the Uk then the site should have been a .co.uk

5. Oh go on then, when all else fails blame the customer!! I was writing about the title not the keywords.

and yes that is my name and its on every page [I think, I hope] that I write together with my nickname which used to be FoxyWeb and now is just plain Foxy and also the company name and any other credits that should be there like DigitalPoint or Open Realty etc. Unlike other people who use nicknames to suit their purpose Dennis and then there is Doobey and there is...oh ADA...!!!

Dennis

Jul 16th 2004, 6:12 am

6. So I went and checked for how many people searched on that term in any given day

Is this not about the popularity of keywords foxy

ITC

Jul 16th 2004, 6:39 am

Hi Dennis,
I was just about to reply to your first post and then saw the replies from others and suddenly realised where your motives lay.

We did do the optimisation of this site, but that was 9 months ago!

Unfortunately their budget wasn't up to a monthly management program and although the terms were where we said they were, obviously they have dropped out since then. Especially since in the middle was the dreaded 'Florida' update.

OK so our case studies page is a little out of date where FP are concerned, they do say plumbers have the worst etc., we only posted here to try to help as we are already helping one client. We didn't realise we would be attacked by other SEO's for posting here.

I don't wish to get into a flame war, apart from anything esle we're too busy to put up much of a fight, we would rather fight for our clients.

:)

P.S. you mentioned competitive keywords - that's very short sighted from an seo company - we have to explain all the time to our clients it's not keywords that's the problem in seo - it's a combination of two things - 1. how many competitors are there - 2. and more importantly , how many of them have optimised their site for that keyword.

Just because it sounds like a competitive word or phrase doesnt mean it will be difficult and vice-versa.

We recently did one for an Army SUrplus website -that sounds easy right? Not many competitors optimsing back in the dark ages Army Surplsu websites - wrong! Lots!

But then of course we do have the likes of Forces Reunited with 170,000+ members - easy to do again? Wrong 15 other sites all reuniting ex-forces personnel. - They're number 1 for just about everything to do with finding army friends etc.

Dennis

Jul 16th 2004, 6:46 am

Companies like these give our industry a bad name.

We have some high profile clients, such as FileMaker, Forces Reunited etc. etc. all who happily gave us permission to use their details as they are happy with our work.

I wish you all well with your pursuit of this company, and if you need any back up and expert advice, we would be only too gald to help rid our industry of scum like this.

Dominic Hayhoe
Internet Traffic Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.internet-traffic.uk.com

Is this not attacking other seo companies in fact i would say calling someone scum is quite a direct attack. You attacked i defended our company enough said.

As for the keywords FOXY was saying we were number one but not under a very competitive keyword, that is why i mentioned competitive phrases. I replied by saying that is what the customer chose, as it was. We advise customer what keywords to go for but in the end it is ultimately their choice

ITC

Jul 16th 2004, 9:19 am

Hi Dennis,
don't know wether it was you or another of the employees at ADA that just rang me to threaten me and my company?

If you feel you have really been wronged, I will expect a letter from your legal advisors.

Funny how many assumptions were made that you were big, we were small, you are almighty, we can be crushed! ;)

When a client approaches you that says bad things about another company and then says go to these forums and see just how many unahppy people there are - and then we search for your details etc. to find you don't even have a website etc.? It's all very suspicious isn't it?

We have been told of your methods from several clients which in anyones terms sound like spamming the search engines.

Furthermore your guarantees of positioning in the search engines are empty promises. Do you own the search engines? No - how can you claim to guarantee rankings to clients? That's just promosing what you can't guarantee to deliver.

Then you claim to give money back if you don't get results - funny no-one seems to have had any money back from you yet?

Thats why I said we shold get rid of 'scum like these'.

If of course you could get say 10 of your happy clients to post here saying different, we will all bow down to your holiness.

Just seems that there are lost of unhappy people complaining about you.

And if they need it, we will stand up and say what are decent ways of optimising a site and what aren't, framesets for one!

Of course, if you wish to use this post as well, I'm sure you won't quote me out of context will you?

DarrenC

Jul 16th 2004, 9:35 am

Is this not about the popularity of keywords

What is it about then?

Surely you advise your clients to use high traffic keywords rather than wasting money by optimising a page for keywords which are going to give them zero traffic.. surely that is what SEO is all about?

Darren :)

Dennis

Jul 16th 2004, 9:55 am

First thing ITC you are being slanderous and your talking about things you dont even know about. You say that you did the optimization for your references 9 months but you have only been in business according to companies house for 6 months. Numbers dont add up there do they. Is that false references you are giving out.

First you call us scum and then cry when you say you are being attacked yourselves. At the end of the day we have many happy clients and have been in business for three years.

As for the keyword argument here it is, Foxy said that pico verde were nuumber one and it was not a high traffic term so you were not just talking about titles were you.

We advise customers on the best terms to go for if they want high traffic or specific traffic it does not matter. The owner of pico verde wanted those terms,so we got him number one positions on google for them.

For someone who has been in business for two minutes and then to start criticising is just totally unbelievable come back in a few years ITC when you have some experience.

ADA

Foxy

Jul 16th 2004, 10:55 am

ITC you are getting sucked in by ADA into a slanging match

Hi Dennis,
don't know wether it was you or another of the employees at ADA that just rang me to threaten me and my company?

Don't you see what, who they are?

There is another thread that goes on for a long time about ADA and their practices.

Just take it as read.

ITC

Jul 16th 2004, 12:08 pm

Hi Dennis,
as I said to whomever it was that rang us, you're very quick to make judgements.

You're right we only became Ltd. at the beginning of this year, but we were a company long before that, and I personally have been involved in seo since 1998.

Ah, we're quoting companies house records are we?

So for a company that said to me on the phone, we're big your small - you turned over £20k for your accounts 2003 - yeah your massive!

OK - if you want the correct terminology - if we're being anything we're being libellous. Libel print, slander speech - gettit?

We're talking about things we don't know? hmm, how'd you work this one out? Many clients say you stink? but oh sorry I forgot, you have hundreds, so that's ok then! lol.

Did we sound like we were crying? Yes, it was tears of laughter.

Did I mention anything about pico verde? No - you did, frankly I'm not interested. FP hasn't been optmised for 9 months as I said - we do need to update our case studies page, but then at least we have a website where customers can contact us disgruntled or not.

I notice you didn't say anything about our big names clients like Forces Reunited and FileMaker? Reason? Because we have an ongoing program with them, so they rank well.

Yes Foxy I see what you mean, I really don't need this and frankly don't have the time or the interest.

ADA like I said, big professional companies don't threaten they just do, so I'll be hearing from your solicitors then?

Like I said, if you want to make a good name for yourselves instead of getting involved in a slanging match, why don't you work with the companies on here who are unhappy with you and sort their sites or give them some money back like you promised to?

Then they'll all be singing your praises and no-one will be able to complain.

Otherwise of course people are going to slag you of - as far as some of your customers are concerned you made promises to them which you havent kept and when they ask for their money back like you promised, you negate on that deal.

We've been here before, it's a sorry tale, but you can always win the day by proving you're not like that, right?

Maybe we should have a poll, who would be happy if ADA sorted their sites or gave them their money back like they promise?

leeds1

Jul 16th 2004, 12:23 pm

ITC

if I was you I would delete your last post

you know if you are better

public slanging matches help no-one

ITC

Jul 16th 2004, 12:43 pm

Hi Leeds1,
we wouldn't say something othewise!

I think the point is here, ADA have a chance to speak to all these clients and make them happy.

Instead at the moment all they seem to worry about is spending time in here, rather than communicating with the clients about why the feel conned.

Then we'll all be happy won't we. And ill be the first to stand up and say ADA did all they can to help.

peterjohnston917

Jul 16th 2004, 12:53 pm

ITC
Well said...if ADA can do things with their customers then great....but im still waiting???? and waiting.....ie 7 days to get a returned phone call or answer to a urgent e mail.... ohhh sorry they couldnt reply to my e mail...due to "Spamming" on the internet?????

Regards
Peter

DarrenC

Jul 16th 2004, 5:39 pm

We advise customers on the best terms to go for if they want high traffic or specific traffic it does not matter. The owner of pico verde wanted those terms,so we got him number one positions on google for them.

So I'm a complete amateur to SEO I come along to ABC Company and I want to optimise Pink Widgets and Green Widgets simply because as an amateur I think these KW's will get me good traffic.

As an SEO company you would still go ahead and take that persons money knowing well that the best KW's would be Blue Widgets and Red Widgets?

Just because a customer asks for these KW's as an SEO company you should research better KW's which are going to bring in traffic, which any website owner requires to make money.

You sound like another company which I will not bring into the discussion but they too are a UK company offering the same type of "service" that I was conned with when first going into business on the internet.

If this is a lesson to any new webmasters who are reading this thread is learn and do it yourself.

Darren :)

ITC

Jul 17th 2004, 12:11 am

Hi Darren,
point well made.

You're right there are many comapnies offering the same service i.e. guaranteed number 1 or money back.

Unless this company suddenly has a deal with the search engines there's no way they can 'guarantee' a position - which of course they don't, that's ludicrous.

So, all we're saying is so far in these forums we've seen about 10 companies or so that aren't happy with ADA - saying they have broken the contract by 1. not achieving the number 1 position and then 2. not giving them their money back like they promised.

For a BIG company like ADA 10 measley companies should be chicken feed, shouldn't it? Common guys, why not turn this on it's head and prove you're the good guys and have been misunderstood?

Either achieve these number 1 positions for everyone within a very short space of time, or do as you say and give them their money back.

They say that the best people to promote your company are one's who have been unhappy with you, that you then go to turn round by proving how good you are. They then sing your praises.

So here's your chance to get 10 companies saying, actually we were wrong ADA aren't like that at all, and they did try for us, and when they couldn't do it they admitted it and gave us our money back like they said they would.

Sounds like a good PR exercise to me.

On your point about doing it yourself though Darren, what you can learn about seo will no doubt improve your site, but without the experience in seo you're never going to beat a professional seo company.

I will start a new post and list the basic things you should/shouldn't be doing so everyone here can help themselves.

ITC

Jul 17th 2004, 12:28 am

There are ways around everything like frames, splash pages etc. but if you want your site to be the best it can be, here's the best you can do.

1. Get rid of your frames if you use them. Stick your menu in a Server Side Include so you still only have to update it once.

2. Don't have a Splash or Entrance page - no content = poor ranking.

3.The only META TAGS you need are title, description, robots and still for some engines notably not Google, keywords. no others work, meta refresh doesn't, the search engines revisit more often to your site if they can see its being regularly updated, if it isn't theyre generally back once a month.
Stick your best keyphrase in your meta tags - obviously this ones about experience of the balance here - but generally you need no more than 13 words in your title and description, with one keyphrase.

4. Get rid of all code that doesn't need to be there. The more code you have in your page the more it dilutes your message.

5. Externalise all javascripts. Makes the page load faster and again stops dilution.

6. Get your body text to as near the top of the page as possible, the nearer the top the more value. You can do this by moving menus in the code using blank table cells.

7. Make you page content worthwhile. It needs to be of value to a human, about 200 words with maybe 5-8 times of the same keyphrase in it. Again this ones about experience, but if its not of value to a human the se's arent going to like it either.

Remember theres about 50 guys with phd's at G making sure you dont spam their engine!

8. Make sure you have alt tags on all images with a description of what its about. This one needs to be in place for October in any case in the UK when they'try' to make it law for accessibility.

9. Text links you can add a title="" tag to it like you would do an alt="" tag to an image.

10. Add a summary="" tag to the inside of your top table cells. Again good for accessibility - but dont overstuff your page with keywords. If you do it will be like lighting up a Christmas tree and literally saying to G 'Ive been optimised' - a good way NOT to get you to the top!

11. Importantly - don't create a page just for the search engines! - If it looks crap and is worthless to a human, it will be to the se's as well.

12. Dont have any redirects from your homepage.

13. Your homepage is your most valuable page- whatever ranking you get there will auto feed to the rest of your sites pages, hence poor ranking there and youll find it difficult to get good rankings internally.

14. Create a sitemap with a link from your homepage to it and back - in the sitemap a link to every page in your site.

15. Lots more ..................

Again a lot of this needs the experience to implement it and get the balance just right, but if you start there youll only see an improvement.

Hope that helps!

aslansag

Jul 20th 2004, 7:41 am

I think I am the latest victim of this Company...they have taken money from my credit card account without asking me.......I complaint them to my credit card bank but I do not know when I can get answer......
Please please be aware this company they did not deliver their promise......
Aslan
www.buzzytravel.com

fluffywhiteclouds

Jul 20th 2004, 1:49 pm

How many thread in these Guys I have just posted my annoyance on another one???

How do I stick it on here aswell to warn everyone alse about this company?

fluffy

fluffywhiteclouds

Jul 20th 2004, 1:52 pm

Good old cut and paste that is probablly what they do lol!!!!!

Yep count me in i was screwed too!!!!!

Read the t & C's though if you think you have any hope of getting your money back?

It says that once we have achieved your number 1 positions on all the 27 search engines we will then hold those positions for you for 12 months?

so to quote my legal advice what it means is that there money back guarantee DOES NOT COME INTO FORCE UNTIL THEY HAVE ACHIEVED THE 27 NUMBER POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE PROMISING!!

So as we all know we will be waiting until the next millenium before our contract with this company will become legally binding!!!!!!!!!!!

I have now consoled myself and hit myself repeatadly for quite literally throwing in excess of £2000 down the drain with these guys. I have now resigned myself to the stark reality that i will NEVER EVER ACHIEVE THESE GUARANTEED POSITIONS AND WILL MOST IMPORTANTLY NEVER EVER EVER EVER SEE MY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE COME INTO FORCE.

I am way too embarassed to let you guys know my web address as this is not the first time I was suckered into SEO by a bunch of ********.

At least the last company only screwed me for about £250 though. They too promised me number 1's on google for 20 keywords etc... with guarantees of positions. The company this time was Iomart!!!!

There t & c's are even more laughable than ADA's though as THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NO MENTION OF ANY GUARANTEE WHATSEVER from them so its like quite literally just throwing your money down the drain with ABSOLOUTLELY NO COMEBACK WHATSEVER!!!!!

Next SEO company to cold call me will have to be outstanding to persuade me on board???

fluffy

Jaycees

Jul 21st 2004, 2:43 am

Peter please get in touch I am also in dispute with this company alone with others. We have a number of choices as I see it. We either contact the police(fraud) trading standards or take out a class action (conbined) against them for refunds and costs. My email address is bob@jaycees.co.uk

T0PS3O

Jul 21st 2004, 3:28 am

I keep a list of cold calling 'SEO' firms. With our 5 sites this means we get calls daily saying: " Hey we found you guys on the Google Adwords program, we can get you in the natural listings.... " and then I cut them off...

The list below is who called us (here in the UK). It is not a list of recommendations nor a black list... Just FYI so you know who are out there and who you can expect. If you are thinking of using 3d party SEO services, yuo might want to check these out in advance to avoid nasty surprises like those that ADA through at you:

Jump Higher
BoMac
Alex Doyle
IoMart
Top Flight

Latest number 1 guarantee company: ItsColdOutside (http://www.itscoldoutside.com/first_page_positions.html)

I forgot to keep bookmarks for you but I did check em all out and think there is only one with a decent site with honest statements and promises.

Be advised...

Dennis

Jul 21st 2004, 3:34 am

TO ALL.

First of all I would like to say a big thankyou to everyone that has taken time out of their busy schedules to actually make the effort to type these remarks in this forum. Every single client at Alex Doyle is valued and I would like the clients to contact us and we will continue to work with them hand in hand to improve rankings. Their isn't a single company that is infallable out there we are are all human, we all have staff that make mistakes. I guess we are guilty of being human! Occassionally a client can slip through the net, sometimes clients wipe work, Peter, that effects listings. On occasion servers do go down through spam e-mails, such as Bt and NTL last week. Lets start a forum about them. It digusting....I was conned out of my money...Action group vs BT, lets go to the fraud squad because I pay my monthly subscription, all unhappy customers of BT please contact me and we will take these 'cowboys on' and shut them down. Lets rid the earth of this telecommunication scum bla bla bla bla. Its all conjucture. I presume that you are all in business and as a result do get unhappy clients. The fact that we are openly being attacked gives us the right to openly defend ourselves. However, its not a professional aproach. I realise there are clients that do get ripped off by cowboys and as a result scaremongering ocurrs, every legitimate company gets tarred with the same brush. The question is would you all be stating this about BT because of a few mistakes made. The answer Yes you would! Microsoft, IBM, NTL, FIRST CHOICE HOLIDAYS, COCA COLA, BRITVIC ETC ALL HAVE FORUMS, full of complaining clients. However, do you still all have phones? do you drink coca cola? do you use microsoft apllications and do you go on holidays? The fact is ITC are simply using this to gain personally. Is this professional? You quote a first years trading accounts. This forum is great publicity thank you, I'm sure as being business owners you will realise why. We've obviously arrived because you dedicate a thread to us. Thats a great honour. Rank us alongside BT, COCA COLA, BRITVIC, NTL, IBM, MICROSOFT, FIRST CHOICE ETC, if you wish.
Really stop quoting fraud squads etc, it's empty and useless, we are legitimate we have nothing to hide!

Again thankyou for your dedication and time in bringing Alex Doyle publicity, maybe I should pay you all commission!

T0PS3O

Jul 21st 2004, 3:47 am

Dennis... Why do all these clients have trouble getting in touch with you and if they do, why is it such a hassle to get their problems sorted?

And thanking us for this thread is bullshit because it has all been negative publicity.

I don't have any issues with your company but judging from all this, I would certainly avoid ever making use of your services. Help those you have pissed off and we all might think ADA is not that bad after all...

fluffywhiteclouds

Jul 21st 2004, 12:12 pm

So Dennis aka Alex Doyle you are now comparing your service to that of the big boys? You are only human etc.....

As we all know yes the big boys mess up now and then BUT they do hold their hands up and THEY DO GIVE COMPENSATION!!!!!

Your T & C's are so good that you know that no matter what legal action is taken against you. YOU WILL WIN.

You got something right??

I ask no challenge you to confirm in this forum that your guarantee does state and I quote.

Once we receive your positions on the 27 search engines listed the 12 months service of your contract will begin. Gaining this positions usually takes 4 weeks from when the work is complete.

Correct me if I am wrong here but that means that the so called money back guarantee CANNOT COME INTO PLACE UNTIL YOU RECEIVE NUMBER 1 ON ALL THE LISTED SEARCH ENGINES. WHEN THESE POSITIONS ARE THEN ACHIEVED THE 12 MONTH MONEY BACK GUARANTEE COMES INTO EFFECT.

As anyone on this forum will already know. YOU CANNOT GUARANTEE ANY POSITIONS ON ANY SEARCH ENGINE AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME UNLESS YOU USE PAY PER CLICK.

I am not too bothered about my lost money?

I do really think that you should do pay per click for all these disgruntled and extremely annoyed customers whose money you took on completely false promises for a minimum period of 3 months at number 1 JUST ON GOOGLE BY THE WAY FOR ALL THE SO CALLED "EXCLUSIVE" SEARCH PHRASES YOU PROMOTED FOR THEM.

I mean really you have a database of keywords and once they have been purchased you remove them. Pull the other one!

I am one of probably hundreds of people out there who are prepared to say you got me, well done I applaud your fantastic salesman!

The only way though that I can stop people being sucker punched in by your so called Number 1 Guarantee is on this Brilliant message board service.

Ps. To all you people out there about to take them to court I really wouldn't bother. I would just get a legal person to go over the t & c's and they will all agree that you have not got a leg to stand on.

PPS. Their new url is

www.alexdoyleassociates.com

Just check out the testimonials page it is coming soon??????

Come on Dennis a link to this forum would be quite funny what do you guys think. :D :D :D

peterjohnston917

Jul 21st 2004, 12:44 pm

Well Fluffy.... i'm here just wetting myself....would ADA really put a link to one of how many of their websites....with all our comments....they must be brave...or something???

T0PS3O

Jul 21st 2004, 12:53 pm

Look who's #1 World Wide for Alex Doyle (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alex+doyle)

Or maybe people would try Alex Doyle Associates (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=alex+doyle+associates)

:D

Pretty much anything with their name in the search phrase throws DP threads at #1 in Google.. And quite possible another 27 Search Engines too... And probably guaranteed for a year too since the only people who might be interested in obtaining that precious #1 don't know F-all about getting there ethically and in a sustainable fashion... Ow and.. DP's T's & C's do make sense, without unprofessional spelling mistakes...

fluffywhiteclouds

Jul 21st 2004, 12:53 pm

Don't want to sound to much of a pessimist but hey it would be funny lets just pleaZe hope that anyone who gets a cold call comes to this website they will HOPEFULLY run a mile???

ps. notice the ada spelling mistake another way of getting top positions maybe mis-spelling your search phrases lol?

peterjohnston917

Jul 22nd 2004, 4:22 am

Quoting from Dennis "Occassionally a client can slip through the net, sometimes clients wipe work, Peter, that effects listings"

Well what can i say then.... how many nets did i fall through then????????? As i'm still falling......as i left all the work up to ADA to do....so how can the customer be at fault????

Peter

peterjohnston917

Jul 22nd 2004, 9:13 am

FAO BOB@JAYCEES.CO.UK

Who are you????? Sent you e mail... and your site is "Adult".....is something funny going on here????? me thinks!!!!

Peter

fluffywhiteclouds

Jul 22nd 2004, 11:46 am

Well ADA have stopped posting!!!

Wonder if its got something to do with their so called guarantee being rumbled and exposed for what its worth?

As EVERYBODY on this forum now knows their so called guarantee of no 1 positions on all search engines is nothing but a pure myth. It is a very g very good selling point though for everyone chasing the holy grail of number 1.

One question to everybody reading this forum is if it was as easy as paying ADA anywhere betweeen £800 and £5000 for these so called guaranteed positions on keywords why oh why do people spend in excess of £10,000 per day to be number 1 on google for certain keywords or phrases when ADA can do it ALL for as little as £800 ON ALL THE SEARCH ENGINES?

Nice little teaser for everyone there?

please please think about this when they contact you and believe you me they will?

ADA prove how good you are?

If you are as good as you are optimize your site to knock this off number 1 on google on a worldwide search with your new site?

Another challenge there for your Dennis????

Or is it poultry?

Fluffy

DarrenC

Jul 22nd 2004, 1:10 pm

Seems theres more fake guarantee's by SEO companies in the UK than anywhere else.

I had the experience 18 months ago - spent over £600. It turned out they built a doorway page and optimised that page in the SE's. Gauranteed top 10 spot for KW's.

Didn't meet that guarantee and I didn't get a penny back. Didn't have a leg to stand on legally.

To be honest I think more and more people need to be made aware of the company in this thread - if need be design a website like paypal sucks get it No.1 eventually this company will have to change its name simply because it's reputation will be NIL.

I found out the company I used was previously called something else simply because it receive a bad reputation like this company. Any muppet can design a backdoor page and optimise it for shite nil traffic KW's.

Don't waste anymore time.. read the threads in here, and DIY

Darren :)

ITC

Jul 23rd 2004, 4:04 am

2nd bold para heading.

Need I say more?

http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/seo.html

peterjohnston917

Jul 23rd 2004, 5:01 am

This is from Google.co.uk "Quote"

No one can guarantee a #1 ranking on Google.
Beware of SEO's that claim to guarantee rankings, or that claim a "special relationship" with Google, or that claim to have a "priority submit" to Google. There is no priority submit for Google. In fact, the only way to submit a site to Google directly is by using the page at http://www.google.com/addurl.html. You can do this yourself at no cost whatsoever.

http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/seo.html

This the link.... and boy does it say it all.... Shame i had not seen it back in Nov 03

Peter

hulkster

Jul 23rd 2004, 8:07 am

This guys from the UK sound pretty slimey - maybe a good thing they never called on me, because otherwise I would have added 'em to my scumbag Hall-of-Shame (http://www.komar.org/faq/scumbags/) as I did with another UK firm.

magellan

Jul 23rd 2004, 8:37 am

It has been Iomart and It's Cold Outside who have been annoying me this week :mad:

peterjohnston917

Jul 30th 2004, 4:03 pm

Quick up date..... All....

More and more peeps are still contacting me and other's with the "thanks" of this forum... it is now hoped that....businessess are now more aware....of some of the things going on ..out there in SEO land

PJ1

Jul 30th 2004, 4:04 pm

I've been had! I spent from March 2004 til now trying to convince myself that I haven't been ripped off. They took my money before I realised (and tried to take it twice according to my credit card company). Somewhat confused, and pissed off with the excuses I get from ADA especially when I asked for a refund and updates etc. Having seen this forum, the whole thing is a joke. Does anyone know what the procedure is for getting these twats to pay up? Has anyone been refunded or is that a silly question? There must besomething we can do!

ITC

Aug 2nd 2004, 12:43 am

Sorry Guys,
I tried to coax them into sorting their unhappy clients out, i.e. you guys, but it seems it fell on deaf ears.

Has anyone who was disatisfied actually been contacted by them to put things right?

It seems they are more interested in getting money out of new clients rather than keeping clients they already have. Seems strange to me as everyone in business knows it costs about 10 times more to gain new clients than keep happy current ones. Maybe that's the problem?

Foxy

Aug 2nd 2004, 11:44 pm

It seems they are more interested in getting money out of new clients rather than keeping clients they already have. Seems strange to me as everyone in business knows it costs about 10 times more to gain new clients than keep happy current ones. Maybe that's the problem?

This company does not know what to do - that is the problem - unless you put forward gaining clients as the modus operandi.

You only have to look at all the information to hand including their original site to understand that they do not have a clue.

Just do not get involved with them.

ITC

Aug 5th 2004, 1:16 am

:mad:

Want to see something awful? Take a look at this site.

http://www.golfholidayinspain.co.uk/

Now how the hell can anyone say thats optimised?

What excuses will they suggest? Not yet finished the work? Client was difficult etc. etc.

No Excuse is good enough. You dont put up the work if you havent finished it or arent happy with it!

T0PS3O

Aug 5th 2004, 1:41 am

Tip:

Press CTRL + A when looking at the home page. And do try a few of those stuffed keywords from the title in G to see if they are #1 yet. Maybe we could track them?

Foxy

Aug 5th 2004, 7:37 am

Tip:

Press CTRL + A when looking at the home page. And do try a few of those stuffed keywords from the title in G to see if they are #1 yet. Maybe we could track them?

Good Idea

Hereis another send an email to:

pjohnston@heery.co.uk

who's he? :D

ITC

Aug 8th 2004, 10:02 am

I'd guess he's the website owner.

Mind you, I had a funny phone call on Friday from someone pertaining to have had their clients contacted by ADA and saying they would partner up with me if I can only explain exactly what I do for clients in the way of seo, and he wanted to know every step.

Funny thing is, his accent was exactly the same as the persons accent who rang me to threaten me from ADA, coincidence?

So I began to tell him what I do (in a roundabout way of course, without giving too many secrets away!) and I could hear him writing it all down!

Oh dear, I hope they don't need that much help!

Shame I left out the best bits!

digitalpoint

Aug 9th 2004, 1:45 am

Got this from Alex Doyle Assoicates today... :)
It has come to our attention that there has been various libellous statements published on the forum www.digitalpoint.com regarding Alex Doyle Associates Ltd. As a result we have been instructed by our solicitors to contact digital point and all concerning users of digital point. As we understand under your terms and conditions, digital point cannot be held responsible for any statements placed that are libellous. It is also clearly stated that your clients agree to adhere to your terms and conditions and not to place libellous statements on the forum. You also have the right to discontinue a thread if it is deemed as libellous. However, as you host the information and publish this information, it is clear that you are legally entitled to withdraw and prevent any unfounded allegations that are particularly damaging to the reputation of Alex Doyle Associates Ltd or any company. As a result Digital Point will be implicated within the legal proceedings from the outset.

Moreover due to the defamation of character engendered by Alex Doyle Associates Ltd, as a direct result of the information published on digital points forum, Alex Doyle Associates Ltd have no other option than to pursue all parties involved and seek compensation for defamation of reputation and loss of capital both potential and existing. The damage already incurred stands at approximately £35,000. As you can imagine co-operation is paramount at this point, to prevent any further loss of capital and reputation to Alex Doyle Associates Ltd, this thread must be removed immediately. If this is not the case then Digital Point will become more embroiled within the legal proceedings. Furthermore if this thread continues to be libellous it will result in considerable damage to the parties involved. Alex Doyle Associates has never been implicated nor have any of the claims posted been brought to a court and substantiated. These claims are libellous, based on conjecture and are extremely damaging.

Alex Doyle Associates Ltd, acknowledge that Digital Point cannot screen every single post on the forum; however, Digital Point has a level of legal responsibility to themselves, Alex Doyle Associates Ltd and Digital Point’s consumers.

I trust that this matter will be dealt with forthwith and the contents of our correspondence will be kept legally confidential and dealt with the up most professional courtesy. Please advise immediately.

My response was:
My best suggestion would be to pursue legal action where you deem necessary against individuals coming forth within the thread(s) in question.

I don't have any personal opinion either way of Alex Doyle Associates, other than they posted messages on the forum as "satisfied customers" of themselves. Beyond that I don't know about the company personally (nor do I have an opinion).

Your request for thread deletion will not be fulfilled (individual posts can be retracted or deleted by the user that posted them though). You can send any legal requests or documents to:

Digital Point Solutions
Attn: Legal Department
8465 Regents Road, Suite 448
San Diego, CA 92122
USA

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 2:31 am

Actually shawn, posts can be edited within 48 hours of posting them, after this period we cannot.

I contacted someone on this forum about that and after the first email back my further emails have gone unanswered.

In the UK there is such a thing as the Data Protection Act that means it is illegal to not allow us to have our posts edited or deleted when we want them to be whether we can do it oursleves or the website owner does it, I'm not sure of the law in the US but I know there is something similar if not identical.

Perhaps if you can make all posts always editable then digitalpoint cant be held responsible for posts, but if we can't edit them I would say dp is responsible, as you have taken the responsibility out of our hands.

BTW in the statement sent to you it says "Alex Doyle Associates has never been implicated" - so what are they complaining about then? They've never been implicated! - I think they got their wording mixed up!

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 3:01 am

Have just been contacted by ADA again this morning (let me check, yep nothing libellous there!).

Claiming that they have spoken to some of the clients on our Case Studies page on our website who don't know of us! Yeah right!

What will they try next LOL. I wonder who our clients thought they'd been paying all this time then!

Perhaps ADA would like to put their website up so we can see their Case Studies? Or maybe they don't have any happy one's.

So this is a warning to all of you, make sure your clients know who you are! Seriously though I would contact them just to make sure they are happy with your services, you never know when another seo company may steal them!

(One last check, yep nothing libellous - wouldn't want to wish to edit this in a couple of days time and not be able to).

SEbasic

Aug 9th 2004, 3:37 am

hehe...

Man, I can't believe that this is still going on!

Good luck everyone with the compemsation!

Cheers for the forum Shawn. Without it, Alex Doyle would probabally be getting away with all of this.

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 3:55 am

He's not ADA SEbasic.

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 4:00 am

Guess what?

Just spoken to all the companies on our Case Studies page and none of them have been contacted by anyone else about seo or even asking about us!

What are they like!

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 5:26 am

:confused:

HHHMMMMMMMMM:

Matchbox models were on your case studies page. I have spoken to him, says he's never heard of ITC, all of a sudden the Matchbox models example is deleted from the case studies page.

Wierd???

Don't you think?

SEbasic

Aug 9th 2004, 5:54 am

Oops, sorry about that - post removed

BTW - Doyle, why are you so bothered?
It's your case studies I would be looking after if I were you.

Why don't you just use the same sign in?

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 6:13 am

Ah we're Doyle Media now, lol.

Matchbox Models - a site we did through a partner, so no he wouldn't know our name.

Actually we change our case studies all the time. As you've obviously been studying our site it's weird you didn't notice.

Notice you didn't mention any of the other companies on our Case Studies page as per last time. Are you going to say you contacted them as well, or just Matchbox Models?

Funny you said on the phone you had contacted a few of them?

Can't wait til you get your site up so people can badger your clients.

magellan

Aug 9th 2004, 6:14 am

They are seeking damages of £35,000!

How about refunding the fees paid by people who are unhappy with the service provided by ADA?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 6:58 am

We did contact other clients but good "statement" though, how long did it take to think that up?. Matchbox Models has been on your site since intial contact was made June sometime. Oh yes because we aren't a small to medium sized business we have more than one member of staff, that will post under different call signs. If you change your case studies all the time, how come you stated back in June that your case studies were out of date? If you did it via a partner, how come you had it on your case studies page, claiming credit for work done with them, was it your own work? If not why try to pass it off as yours? Surely a successful SEO has many examples of their own work not other peoples. It's a bit strange that when I contacted you this morning and had this conversation that Matchbox Models were taken off immediatly? As for refunds we refund clients with a legitimate claim. Obviously not all claims are legitimate, some are some aren't, such is business. It's also a bit strange that when you call ITC the Managing Director answers the phone. ;)

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 7:13 am

Oh yes Obviously we weren't badgering anyone's clients.

T0PS3O

Aug 9th 2004, 7:21 am

This thread is called 'Alex Doyle Associates' .

If anyone wants to discuss Internet Traffic Consultancy then I'd suggest you start a new thread. See if it gets the same attention and similar numbers of disgusted clients...

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 7:27 am

I'm sure your MD is interested with your statements on this forum TOPS30. Oh yes we have a few anonymous disgusted clients, emphasis on anonymous!!! Surely your intelligent enough not to believe hearsay?. The fact is when you have a large clientbase, without just five examples on your "case studies" page, then you get a handful of unhappy clients, you can't please all the people all the time. I also find it hilarious that you take the time to type into this forum, when you have never had any direct contact with Alex Doyle Associates or been a client. Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Than make sweeping statements about a company you know nothing about, or is it just beer and kicks for you? :D

Any existing unhappy clients are being dealt with directly and professionally. Confidentiality used to be a fundamental aspect professionalism!

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 7:49 am

I don't think a forum would work called ITC. After all you have to have a clientbase to begin with. :D

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 8:03 am

Cheers TOPS30.

It's an old trick, if you want to redirect attention to yourself start making a fuss about someone else.

>>We did contact other clients

Funny because I contacted ALL our clients on the case studies page and none of them said that you had contacted them, so please tell us which of our clients you're calling liars?

We did it for a partner i.e. one that doesn't do seo - doh!

Yes you're right we do have many examples of our work, some clients agree to be shown others don't. BTW where's your case studies page? Actually come to think of it where's your website?

HA - telling clients you still have spam problems and your servers are still down 6 weeks later, which is why you can't answer emails. I would have gone bananas at my ISP after 6 hours!

Oh my god, didn't realise it was a crime to answer the phone! Perhaps it's because I like my staff to get on with their work!

Isn't it time you got real ADA? It's blatantly obvious to everyone that you're a small company like 98% of companies in the UK, there's no shame in that.

What there is shame in is pretending to be a happy client of your own on here, and trying to make yourself sound bigger than you actually are.

Practically all seo companies in the UK only have between about 2 and 10 staff, so I don't know why you keep putting on this air of a corporation.

You really do make yourself sound rather daft, can you not see that?

A forum called ITC, umm no you simply need enough people posting about you, and there's nothing like a disgruntled customer to make them post about you.

Perhaps you would like to give us some examples of clients who've been refunded by you? Or have all claims made against you been illegitimate?

T0PS3O

Aug 9th 2004, 8:10 am

I also find it hilarious that you take the time to type into this forum, when you have never had any direct contact with Alex Doyle Associates or been a client. Do you not have anything better to do with your time? Than make sweeping statements about a company you know nothing about, or is it just beer and kicks for you?

You think being phoned by ADA every few weeks isn't direct contact?

If you read all the posts then you will notice I did indeed mention I am not a client and that I said I don't have any personal experience with the services you say you provide. I did read your T's and C's in the contract you sent and it was very unprofessionally written and I still believe there is no way to offer 29 #1 spots for any mildy competitive search term. And I still have yet to see you actually accomplished just that for anyone.

Yes I have better things to do but I felt it useful for the other board members who so kindly share their experiences with me, to tell them about my findings of ADA.

My MD is aware of you guys and my posts here too so I'm not worried the least. And what has my MD got to do with what I post here? I only represent myself here. I've never said anything out of order either so I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

And you are right about hearsay, that's exactly why I always investigate first. That's why I listened to your salespeople, looked up a few case studies they mentioned (found only 1 #1), read the contract, listened to people here, verified whether it was remotely possible to guarantee #1 spots in 29 search engines etc. etc. After all that effort I thought others might want to know too but apparently it was too late for many.

In an earlier post I said that if indeed I see any proof of either satisfied customers or ethical work you have done resulting in what you promise that I then indeed will reconsider my opinion on you guys. But I haven't seen anything yet since.

I'm a SEO DIY fanatic anyway so I will never be your client.
I hope you sort your problems out and do well in the future.

Tadaa

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 8:29 am

ITC, it must pain for you to realise you are completely out of your depth. If you did do work for Matchbox Models, how come you deleted them from your case studies page immediately after I spoke to you? It's obvious you have no or little staff. Its laughable that you think we're small! TOPS30 you have not done any research into us, all you are is a scaremongerer, maybe a frustrated seo wannabe. You fill your time slating a company when you know nothing about their methods. It really is hilarious. :D

ITC we all know an MD of a successful company wouldn't spend his time trying to poach clients via a forum. Where are all your other examples, all I hear is forces reunited this and that, are these the only clients you have promoted or maybe not, as the case maybe? Do you have the resources to look after blue chip clients or even smaller clients? I think not, in six months if you only have one testimonial client, thats tragic, maybe you need some advice, ring me. :D

You also lied with regards to one of our clients, saying that you were doing work for them, as a result you complicated the senario we had with this client and delayed progress made. If you are really that desperate for business, I'll sub contract some of my reps to you for a short time, just while you get on your feet!

In brief a sensible legitimate and intelligent MD wouldn't publish libellous statements would he?

REEKS OF DESPERATION

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 8:34 am

"We did it for a partner i.e. one that doesn't do seo - doh!"

What you do SEO? :D

digitalpoint

Aug 9th 2004, 8:34 am

Actually shawn, posts can be edited within 48 hours of posting them, after this period we cannot.
True, although if any user wants a post deleted, they can PM me and it can be done.

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 8:59 am

Here we go again, we're out of our depth you are God Almighty, please change the record, if you're so big why do you think you need to keep reminding us? I have been in web development since before your MD was even out of school, it's not hard to get info on people as you pointed out earlier.

Funny, you chose not to respond to my earlier post about the supposed clients of mine you contacted, I'm still waiting to hear which clients of mine you are calling liars, saying that you contacted them, and they are saying you didn't. Now who do I believe? lol.

Have I tried to poach clients? I don't remember ever approaching any of your clients directly.

Where are all our other examples? Where are ANY of yours? You don't really think we're going to put any more examples up whilst you're on the prowl do you? This sparring is getting tedious in the extreme, more competition please.

Do we have the resources to look after Blue Chip Clients, err can you say FileMaker? Doh! They only have a multi-million dollar turnover!

Actually we didn't say we were doing work for one of your clients, we said "we are working with" quite different I think you'll find - but thanks for libelling yourself though. (Note the spelling for future reference - libel not liable).

I like the "delayed progress made" statement though, what progress? You hadn't done anything to his site, you think if you'd made progress he would be complaining about you?

Perhaps you can explain how a site that has a frameset on it's front page with no noframes tag and no links to any other pages is optimised?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:07 am

"Yes you're right we do have many examples of our work, some clients agree to be shown others don't. BTW where's your case studies page? Actually come to think of it where's your website?"

Do we really want ITC and other "SEO's" trying to contact our client base? I think not, still working on a site, extremely busy concentrating on keeping existing clients happy and growing our client base. Our testimonials, consist of a lot more than five clients though. True that some clients want to be included and some don't, however, surely you have more than five clients. If your clients don't "know your name", how come they know that are being included on a testimonial page? ;)

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:17 am

" I have been in web development since before your MD was even out of school, it's not hard to get info on people as you pointed out earlier".

Really when did the web become mainstream. Are we being agist? Alex Doyle's MD is 46 years old. I didn't libell myself just pointed out facts, we can all play on words. I didn't say were working on but working with......the client didn't know our name because we did it through a partner, your really full of excuses. Just really sums up your time on this forum, full of libell, excuses and conjecture.

How long has the web been commercial? Been in web development since before the MD was out of school. I didn't point out that we were big, you did thanks for that. I'm not sparring just find you ridiculous. You have nothing viable to say whatsoever. Its better not having a testimonials page than having one that isn't.....well you know.

Try this link www.mmu.co.uk they have some good teacher training courses. Maybe you'd make a better English teacher than an seo libell not liabell. :D

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 9:18 am

Is that the only bit of the post you could safely answer? And we're out of our depth, yawn.

If your clients are happy, they'll no doubt tell other seo's contacting them they're already happy with their existing seo company wouldn't they? It's called competition - keeps you on your toes, stops monopolies dontcha know.

Funny, it's OK for you to tell us of NONE of your clients because we'll contact them, but we show everyone five or so of ours and that's all we have, err perhaps we don't want you contacting them? huh?

But then of course you've once again not answered my original question of who out of our clients you contacted have you? Wonder why that is?

Actually our partner simply asked for permission for us to include the testimonial - simple isn't it. Bring on the barking dogs!

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:25 am

ITC instead of writing rubbish on a forum, why not try communicating with us on the phone about your obvious concerns, if your not trying to poach? We tried, all you did was put the phone down. Maybe you've bitten off more than you can chew? How about those sales reps the offer still stands?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:27 am

"Perhaps you can explain how a site that has a frameset on it's front page with no noframes tag and no links to any other pages is optimised?"

...Well if you need training..... :D

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 9:30 am

Funny your MD is 46 years old, then your paperwork at companies house filed a few months ago was stating falseities was it?

It states your MD Andrew Morris as being born in 1979, hmmm that sure doesn't make 46 to me.

BTW it's libel not libell - how many different ways can you spell it wrongly - jeez can't you even cut 'n' paste?

I didn't point out you were big, I pointed out you insinuated you were big - oops I'm playing with words again.

Testimonials page .... no I don't know, perhaps he couldn't finish that sentence guys.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:32 am

"If your clients are happy, they'll no doubt tell other seo's contacting them they're already happy with their existing seo company wouldn't they? It's called competition - keeps you on your toes, stops monopolies dontcha know".

Not worried about competition just don't like illegitimate statements on a forum, that are libellous and cause defamation of character. Thats not competitive, just underhand tactics to gain advantage. Is that professional? Does a professional firm employ these tatics? I think not.

Foxy

Aug 9th 2004, 9:33 am

I can tell you who would be interested and that is Microsoft

Archives (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.alexdoyle.co.uk)

This is from the web site of alexdoyle.co.uk for 24 May 2003 :)

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:40 am

"It states your MD Andrew Morris as being born in 1979, hmmm that sure doesn't make 46 to me".

Does it state that our MD is Andrew Morris on companies house? Thanks for taking the time to check it out though. Andrew Morris is the sales director. It's not hard to check Alex Doyle out go on to companies house website, do a web check and pay £2.50 for appointment details. Extremely clever got to say. As you can probably see by companies house we are a legitimate company. We've operated under the same name, at the same address for two years now. We are well into our third year. We have a handful of unhappy clients. Give me a company who hasn't. You can't kid all the people all the time surely we would have been closed down by know if we were fraudsters?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:43 am

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 9th 2004, 9:46 am

"libel not libell"

Definately an English Teacher!

Foxy

Aug 9th 2004, 10:16 am

Foxy your looking at an old website. Again you include yourself with nothing to say, contact Microsoft I'm sure Bill will be interested in what you have to spout. You really are at the cutting edge, what's your problem with Alex Doyle anyway? Foxy you claim you are the world's leading expert in SEO, where are your sites ranked, oh yes we've been through that old chestnut before haven't we. :D

Err... it is the only record/site that you have. I can't find any other, but I do find blogs about your company http://alex-doyle-associates.blogspot.com/ and another Forum (http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/archive/topic/13218-1.html)

Hullo hullo - leading expert? I don't claim anything of the sort. But what you did find out was that we did rather well for "large yachts" on one of our sites - and then you mocked me, loudly, and we didn't go through that "chestnut" because I didn't discuss it.

Thats fine by me but let me tell you something about that, in your terms, rather poorly SEO'd site because it doesn't compete with very competitive search terms.

It is pretty high in the SERPS on, lets say 85%, of the search engine traffic for that term.

It only sells boats that are worth millions - it only charters boats that cost tens of thousands per week.

It does not want to be listed for "yachts and boats" because its customers don't look for piddling yachts and boats they look for real boats - large yachts - because that is what they call them (for those who don't know a large power boat is called a large yacht)

So everytime we sell a large yacht (http://www.world-ok.com) we take a 5-10% commission on the sale, and every time we charter them we take a minimum fee of 20% of the weekly rental.

Starting to get the picture?

Now when we sell a £10,000,000 large yacht we get between £500,000 and ...well whatever

I'd say that is pretty well optimised wouldn't you? So if I were you I wouldn't mock when you really do not have the knowledge about that which you are talking.

:)

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 10:53 am

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 10:30 pm

http://www.a4uforum.co.uk/archive/topic/13218-1.html

And you're calling us unprofessional! lol.

ITC

Aug 9th 2004, 10:32 pm

Hey Shawn,

on the subject of editing posts, there's obviously some simple code in the SQL statement that does a DateDiff function to find all posts more than 2 days old and if they are doesn't display the 'Edit' button.

If you can't edit it from the admin panel why don't you just edit the code so all posts are editable, that way you can't be blamed for anything on here as we'll always have the ability to edit our posts.

digitalpoint

Aug 9th 2004, 10:34 pm

It's intentional to not allow editing of posts after a certain amount of time.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 12:59 am

Foxy I think you do state that you are the worlds leading authority on seo on your abismal site,(ITC PLEASE CHECK THE SPELLING THANK YOU), www.zplus2.com. As for Blog Spot, again full of libellous statements, anonymously written because "they fear reprisals", we are currently looking into this to obtain the identity of the person who wrote this, the only reprisals he fears are legal reprisals. Could it be the person who wrote this is a competitor? Or do we believe everything written anonymously. I've had a chat with Don Corleone with regards to reprisals and he has assured me we are taking it to the matresses! LOL. :D

Itc all you can talk about is forums, again posted anonymously, like I said you have to have a client base to begin with to recieve postings on forums, something you will never have a problem with! I'm sorry that gramatical errors seem to be basis of every argument you have, simply because you have nothing else to say! Foxy I'm pleased you were recieving good listings under "Large Yachts", but where are you now? The fact that you didn't respond is because you had nothing to reply with, you professed you weren't a professional SEO on an earlier thread, so what authority do you have to comment on our optimisation, although your site does confess this. Itc if your basing your whole strategy on forums on how to gain clients then your pretty short sighted. Ring up your partners see if they have anymore work for you, so you can increase your "testimonials". :D

ITC

Aug 10th 2004, 12:59 am

Can we have a reason Shawn?

digitalpoint

Aug 10th 2004, 1:12 am

A couple reasons... if a user's account is compromised, someone couldn't maliciously remove hundreds of posts from the forum

Also keeps integrity of the forum. Someone can't post one thing, have people respond to it, and then months later go back and edit what they said.

If there was a way to separate post deletion and editing, I would allow deletion, just not editing (but then you still have the problem of someone deleting hundreds of posts if they wanted).

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 1:15 am

Quick update ITC, because I know you are completely concerned with our unhappy clients because you just want to "help them out", of course not to gain anything personally. All unhappy clients we are aware of on this forum have been contacted and we are dealing with them to sort any issues they have with ourselves. Still no defence though about your "testimonials page", ignorance isn't a defence.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 1:29 am

Shawn, whats to stop people posting malicious statements? What about protecting the integrity of legitimate companies?

ITC

Aug 10th 2004, 1:34 am

No defence about our testimonails page, err we answered that one ages ago.

Why don't you answer some of the question posed to you that you have side stepped?

All we can talk about is forums? errr no - that was one thread.

All we can talk about is all the other questions we've posed to you that you've negated to answer - I'll post them again so you can see we've got more than another forum to talk about and you can answer them, at the same time perhaps you'd like to respond to the thread about the other forum?

1. (Companies House query because your MD is listed as Andrew Morris born in 1979 - obviously not 46 as you stated) You only submitted those details a few months ago with your latest accounts, if he isn't your MD why does it say he is on your submitted paperwork to companies house?

2. Which of our clients have you contacted? You stated on the phone you had contacted a few of them? - Funny as all of them are saying they haven't heard from you. So who's lying?

3. You stated we have "delayed progress" on a clients site of yours - we questioned - what progress? You hadn't done anything to his site, you think if you'd made progress he would be complaining about you?

4. Our question: Perhaps you can explain how a site that has a frameset on it's front page with no noframes tag and no links to any other pages is optimised? _ your reply was - well, if you need training, accompanied by a smilie - hell, we sure do if that's how you optimise a site these days - things must have moved fast overnight since we last optimised!

5. telling clients you still have spam problems and your servers are still down 6 weeks later, which is why you can't answer emails. I would have gone bananas at my ISP after 6 hours! - Are your servers still down as you said yesterday?

6. Why do you post on this forum pretending to be satisfied clients of yourself?

7. Perhaps you would like to give us some examples of clients who've been refunded by you? Or have all claims made against you been illegitimate?

8. Perhaps you'd also like to answer questions from others as well such as how you can claim in your contract you can guarantee #1 in Google when Google says you can't on their website?

There's plenty more unanswered questions on here directed at you.

But of course we're pleased you're dealing with your unhappy customers, any one on here heard from them?

ITC

Aug 10th 2004, 1:36 am

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 1:50 am

"1. (Companies House query because your MD is listed as Andrew Morris born in 1979 - obviously not 46 as you stated) You only submitted those details a few months ago with your latest accounts, if he isn't your MD why does it say he is on your submitted paperwork to companies house?"

Andrew Morris is a major shreholder in Alex Doyle, doesn't make him an MD though. in any corporation people have different titles with regards to their strengths and utilising those, Andrew Morris is the sales director, on companies house it states he is a director not an MD.

"2. Which of our clients have you contacted? You stated on the phone you had contacted a few of them? - Funny as all of them are saying they haven't heard from you. So who's lying?"

I WONDER WHO'S LYING? Why did you delete Matchbox models staright after our conversation? hhhhhhhhhm

"3. You stated we have "delayed progress" on a clients site of yours - we questioned - what progress? You hadn't done anything to his site, you think if you'd made progress he would be complaining about you?

4. Our question: Perhaps you can explain how a site that has a frameset on it's front page with no noframes tag and no links to any other pages is optimised? _ your reply was - well, if you need training, accompanied by a smilie - hell, we sure do if that's how you optimise a site these days - things must have moved fast overnight since we last optimised!

5. telling clients you still have spam problems and your servers are still down 6 weeks later, which is why you can't answer emails. I would have gone bananas at my ISP after 6 hours! - Are your servers still down as you said yesterday?"

We did have spam problems but no-one said we were down for 6 hours, no one said they were down yesterday. As for optimised pages when have you optimised anyone? As for the client in question who has been contacted, as you know, they are problems we've had that is currently being dealt with. Actually I'm sure you will find optimised clients at the top of Google by Alex Doyle Associates, more than just five! Also looking at your work on Peter Johnstons website you seem to have it 60% right which is the case with many SEO's out there, contact me and I will instruct you on how to get his site 100% right.

Why are you so concerned with Alex Doyle's clients rather than your own, if you weren't trying to gain anything personally or professionally?

"7. Perhaps you would like to give us some examples of clients who've been refunded by you? Or have all claims made against you been illegitimate?"

Some clients have been refunded but obviously why would I give you details of clients, which by law I have to protect by the data protection act. Have a look at our accounts, you will see refunds have been made.

"But of course we're pleased you're dealing with your unhappy customers, any one on here heard from them?"

Again why are you so interested in Alex Doyle's clients, aren't you too busy an SEO to concentrate on your own, after all you are professional writing libellous and malicious statements into a forum, aren't you?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 1:55 am

Tesimonials not testimonails

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 1:57 am

"3. You stated we have "delayed progress" on a clients site of yours - we questioned - what progress? You hadn't done anything to his site, you think if you'd made progress he would be complaining about you?"

If you know so much about our contract then you will realise how you delayed progress.

Foxy

Aug 10th 2004, 2:06 am

PLEASE CHECK THE SPELLING THANK YOU

Actually that is very funny as I copied [with permission] that from another colleagues site to test some theories and was placed there as a test - like other pages. It is currently number 5 for allintext out of 2,660,000. We haven't optimised anything else. Now if I really was an SEO expert like you I would want to beat that - you should be able to beat that shouldn't you?

Again, if you don't know what your talking about, don't comment.

This is not our main site and pages come and go.

But also you should know that in a matter of weeks on a very competitive phrase 2,770,000 it is 11 on one factor and for another out of 4,820,000 it is 7.

A fact that it is on course to where we think it should be - again this is for a colleague on this forum.

Would you like me to test out [all text chosen by me solely] one of your alex doyle pages and see whether I can get it to the top on the highly competitive phrase of Alex Doyle Associates?

http://www.google.com/search?q=alex+doyle+associates&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

There is only about 8 entries [the other 27000 odd don't seem to have this phrase] so I think I should make it to a good position Hehehehe

Or would you like me to give you the SEO page that is currently 5 - mind, I would have to have permission for that and I'm not sure they would want - and no, don't ask for the two word phrase but SEO is one of them.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 2:26 am

Foxy clients of ours are in top positions under competitive phrases. They are gaining a vast amount of traffic from these positions. We have a marketing strategy for ourselves, because we are marketing experts, that's what pays our wages and keeps food in my families mouth. We pride ourselves in professionalism and understand the weight that statements in a forum like this can adversely affect a company and it's employees, its just frustrating when people take forums lightly and feel they can type anything that is damaging into a forum. We've worked hard at Alex Doyle to gain a good reputation and provide a good service to clients worldwide. It's been a long hard slog, as you can imagine.

I have no personal problem with you because you aren't a competitor, ITC are trying to be in competition. All competition is healthy, when it is done legitimately, this isn't legitimate, just victimisation of a good company. You again like several others on this forum no nothing about Alex Doyle, your just jumping on the band wagon, trying to get a rise out of Alex Doyle because you have nothing better to do with your time. If you feel you have anything valid to say, you don't, your not in the Seo business, you have no clear idea of Seo, you've confessed this before. So why try and damage a company, or don't you understand the consequences of your actions? People's livelihoods have suffered because of this, especially because of the people jumping on the band wagon writing statements like yourself. Unhappy clients, I can understand. They are being dealt with, I'm sure you as a business owner has had some unhappy clients simply because you can't keep all the people happy all the time. We invest heavily into customer service, we understand that we need to concentrate on keeping clients happy and grow our client base. That is a dogma we have always employed. The real clients on this forum haven't been libel or malicious, just voiced concerns, the libel has come from unprofessional people some are business owners some aren't.

Its like the saying, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you have a little knowledge about Alex Doyle Associates, come down look at our set up we have nothing to hide, obviously because we are on this forum posting statements. Surely everyone should see this for what it is. Many people already do. Its unfortunate that you fill your time with negative actions, rather than doing something positive to help yourself and your family!

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 2:34 am

"Shawn, whats to stop people posting malicious statements? What about protecting the integrity of legitimate companies?"

Shawn could we have an answer please? There needs to be some checks and balances placed to prevent this from happening again. Freedom of speech is a great thing. If the content is malicious and defamatory and damages companies or people massively, then surely there should be some protection for companies or people against unfounded statements. Does anyone else agree?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 3:19 am

Examples of libel, defamatory, malicious and unjust statements published on this forum:

"Beware of Alex Doyle Associates. I have read a few threads here and its all true. They claim to guarantee number 1 listings, but they can't deliver the goods!

I've been conned by them also. They also guarantee a refund if they don't achieve no.1 listings. Try getting a refund, Andrew Morris their Sales Director apparently isn't interested when I ask for one and comes up with excuses of them needing to do more to the source code to improve rankings!

I've lost patience with them and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, they are amateurs!"

Posted by Aleberto on 22/06/04

Alberto are a client of Alex Doyle's however, they were never conned nor are we amateurs. When the client posted this he was with us only a few weeks. No more posts since though.

"One of my clients recently asked me about this company - I pointed them to the thread on the subject in this forum. I got a call later the same afternoon thanking me for steering them to the real info on this company."

Posted by Guy From Chicago on 22/06/04.

Never had any contact with Alex Doyle Associates, based his comments on conjecture with no real info. Is he a competitor? How does he know about the "real info" on this company. It was just based on a few complaints by some people who aren't actually clients, some are. He hasn't looked into this before posting, if he had he would have seen clients at the top positions.

"Any time a SEOer promises guaranteed top placement for competitive keywords... he/she is either a crass amateur or a total liar. Keep your wallet closed."
Posted by SeoAm on the 22/06/04

Professionals can guarantee positions if a site is optimised correctly.

"Unforunately, by working cross media, they exploit the vulnerabilities that this allows. Unfortunately also, it seems that it is only after people have been conned that they arrive here.

As a word of caution for all those people who are new to the game - if you publish on the web site details of how people can contact you by another method, eg telephone sales, address, be aware that you are allowing everybody in the world access to contact you about everything at any time of the night or day. So people like Alex Doyle will do just that."
Posted by Foxy on the 25/06/04

Foxy had no knowledge, contact or association with Alex Doyle he bases his theories on this forum. I think we will all agree conjecture is a dangerous thing. So Foxy what are people like Alex Doyle like? Con men or legitimate people that are providing a valuable and valid, much needed service to site owners?

"The other one started about a different company though, but yeah it's pretty much all about Bogus Claims Associates, a.k.a. ADA"

Posted by Tops30 25/6/04

Libel at its zenith. Tops30 again doesn't have any relation or knowledge about Alex Doyle Associates just types malicious statements into forums. Here he is stating that Alex Doyle Associates Ltd is really a bogus firm. He is currently under investigation, litigation may follow.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 3:44 am

Examples Cont:

"No, just under construction for about 10 months.

I hear they have a few thousand monkeys working at a few thousand terminals..."

Posted by Vb mechanic 25/06/04

Vb mechanic has never had any contact with Alex Doyle, doesn't know anything about Alex Doyle and states he hears we have a few thousand monkeys at a few thousand terminals. Alex Doyle invests heavily into a professional faculty, we have no monkeys working for Alex Doyle, this is a direct slight at the people working here and their professional abilities. Its through the staff that we have that we can provide a legitimate service, our staff work long hours, have an amazing work ethic and ultimately care about the clients and their progress. The have an irrecoverable commitment to Alex Doyle and its client base.

"We are now working with Peter Johnston to get his site right!

Anyone who would like some advice on this matter, free or otherwise please don't hesitate to contact us.
Companies like these give our industry a bad name.
I wish you all well with your pursuit of this company, and if you need any back up and expert advice, we would be only too gald to help rid our industry of scum like this."
Posted by Itc 15/07/04

Trying to be in competition. Offering a "helpful" hand to other clients, obviously for no advantage to himself. Itc has never had any association again with Alex Doyle Associates, however, he directly attacks Alex Doyle Associates calling us scum, that companies like Alex Doyle give his industry a bad name. Is this not malicious and libel.

"I could not care less about them - but I do about you and your masquerading"
Posted by Foxy 16/7/04

Foxy has no association with Alex Doyle's, has no information about the company or it's operations. Challenged Alex Doyle to show clients within the top positions, we did, proved Foxy wrong showed his arguments for what they were. His answer is above. However, he doesn't care about firm hard facts that can't be disproven, justs cares about our "masquerading". He clearly implies we are illegitimate. However, he has no argument to back this up, all he has is conjecture.

"Don't you see what, who they are?

There is another thread that goes on for a long time about ADA and their practices.

Just take it as read."

Posted by Foxy on 16/07/04

After a legitimate response was posted by Alex Doyle Associates, this was Foxy's reply just take it as red! I rest my case.

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 4:18 am

EXAMPLES CONT:

"Yep count me in i was screwed too!!!!!

Read the t & C's though if you think you have any hope of getting your money back?

so to quote my legal advice what it means is that there money back guarantee DOES NOT COME INTO FORCE UNTIL THEY HAVE ACHIEVED THE 27 NUMBER POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE PROMISING!!

So as we all know we will be waiting until the next millenium before our contract with this company will become legally binding!!!!!!!!!!!

I have now consoled myself and hit myself repeatadly for quite literally throwing in excess of £2000 down the drain with these guys. I have now resigned myself to the stark reality that i will NEVER EVER ACHIEVE THESE GUARANTEED POSITIONS AND WILL MOST IMPORTANTLY NEVER EVER EVER EVER SEE MY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE COME INTO FORCE.

I am way too embarassed to let you guys know my web address as this is not the first time I was suckered into SEO by a bunch of ********."

Posted by Fluffy white clouds on the 20/07/04

Fluffy who are you? You post anonymously saying you were screwed by Alex Doyle Associates to the tune of £2000 but are to embarrassed to show your website on here. £2000 is a lot of embarrassment to handle, however, sorry to burst your bubble it doesn't even reflect our pricing structure. The fact that you say you have sought legal advice and that our terms and conditions dont come into effect until positions are achieved is complete rubbish. Anyone if you want a copy of our terms and conditions we will send them out to you. They are available for the public to view. The fact that you anonymously post and don't respond to my correspondance looses you credability. Surely if you were "screwed" that badly then you would want to warn potential customers about this. Could it be that you are just another Seo and this never happened? Also the fact that not one of the peeps on the forum challenged, just shows the mindset and weight of the arguments posted on this forum that we are dealing with.

"The list below is who called us (here in the UK). It is not a list of recommendations nor a black list... Just FYI so you know who are out there and who you can expect. If you are thinking of using 3d party SEO services, yuo might want to check these out in advance to avoid nasty surprises like those that ADA through at you:

Jump Higher
BoMac
Alex Doyle
IoMart
Top Flight

Latest number 1 guarantee company: ItsColdOutside

I forgot to keep bookmarks for you but I did check em all out and think there is only one with a decent site with honest statements and promises.

Be advised..."
Posted by Tops30 on the 21/7/04

The all knowing all seeing self professed seo diy fanatic! No motives there then. Lists professional seo companies as potential hotspots including Alex Doyle Associates. Where has he derived this opinion from; a forum with anonymous posts listed that are based on conjecture. Can anyone see a trend yet?

DOYLE MEDIA

Aug 10th 2004, 4:53 am

Examples still cont:

"Your T & C's are so good that you know that no matter what legal action is taken against you. YOU WILL WIN.
I am one of probably hundreds of people out there who are prepared to say you got me, well done I applaud your fantastic salesman!"

Posted by Fluffy white Clouds 21/7/04

Again the anonymous Fluffy making sweeping statements about our terms and conditions. He also states again anonymously that he is probably one of the hundreds of people out there who are prepared to say we got them, he applauds our excellent salesmen. Check out examples guys we have customers at the top, can't argue with that can we, facts are facts, hearsay is hearsay.

"Well ADA have stopped posting!!!

Wonder if its got something to do with their so called guarantee being rumbled and exposed for what its worth?
One question to everybody reading this forum is if it was as easy as paying ADA anywhere betweeen £800 and £5000 for these so called guaranteed positions on keywords why oh why do people spend in excess of £10,000 per day to be number 1 on google for certain keywords or phrases when ADA can do it ALL for as little as £800 ON ALL THE SEARCH ENGINES?

Nice little teaser for everyone there?"

Posted by Fluffy white clouds 22/7/04

Again the anonymous Fluffy! Our guarantee hasn't been rumbled because there is nothing to rumble us for. It's also obvious he knows nothing about our pricing structure because he is stabbing in the dark about how much consumers pay. Fluffy can we do for as little as £800. It increaseingly seems that he has no knowledge about Alex Doyle Associates, processes or pricing structures.

" notice the ada spelling mistake another way of getting top positions maybe mis-spelling your search phrases lol?"

Posted by Fluffy White Clouds on 21/07/04

Anonymous again, and still no response from correspondance. Alex Doyle Associates have never deliberately mis-spelt search terms to obtain top positions, its not in our