Alex Doyle Associates

[jeff]

He's being investigated lol Andrew must be worried had to go to all the trouble of moving the rock , then climbing out to get here to tell everyone what a great guy that he is who would never threaten anyone and he's a victim of circumstance , right enjoyed catching up with old failures and learning curves - off to run a business that gives customers a quality service and charges a fair rate of return for the work load completed.If I do anything wrong in business - which sometimes happens even if you are good at your job , for the one instance in the last 5 years that I can think of I put my hand in my pocket and make it right for the customer.Cheerio Andrew u have fun.....

[Kirkburton]

you need to work alot harder at it, anyway i'm off, got things to do, the smell of Bullshit from Dukinfield area is getting too much to bear

[Andrew Morris]

Actually Rob I had over 700 customers, but aa they say there is no fair in business is there.

Ok bye mate, yes its a lovely aroma isn't it?

You must be used to it you've talked it for long enough Perry Mason esq.

You've not gone yet mate can't resist typing can you?

Anyway about your rankings show me your contracts the work we did and why it "didn't work".

You did at the end of the day Rob copy our coding onto another site didn't you?

[choicegallery.co.uk]

What are you talking about, nothing to do with me?

You owe me money, still.

As well as still trading, what about having ADA up in court for 'breach of contract'? I only had a wonderfull service for about 6 months, I paid for 12.

Thank You
James

[Andrew Morris]

Anyway your last chance to have a dig at me for today, I got things to do, people to defraud that sort of thing. Oh yeah I've got a fist fight with the management at 4.00pm.

Breach of contract you breached it when you changed the work on your site James. Check out your clauses mate. You are only a creditor if i owe you money which legally I don't, you know this I know this.

Rob did you copy our coding or not?

[choicegallery.co.uk]

I changed one keyword which was no longer relevant for another keyword purchased from ADA.

You didn't even get my site indexed in 90% of the search engines promised let alone high rankings! Don't think you can blame all that on swapping over agreed keywords.

Did every other one of your customers change 1 keyword too? Is that why they all had crap service from you?

I suppose I should have expected that type of service from a team of sales staff and not trained seo experts as led to believe.

Nevermind. See you in court.

Thank You
James

[Andrew Morris]

In Jeff's case he removed the work we refunded then he placed the work on his site again didn't you Jeffrey?

Yeah James keep pissing in the wind. Good sales staff though, to which I was in charge of as slaes director, well trained.

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, why would I copy your coding onto another site when it didn't work? You shouldn't make the mistake that a similar looking site had the same coding behind it.

[Andrew Morris]

You purchased for blue moon insurance and our work was on blue moon mortgages, i guess the seo faries put it there.

So if the coding didn't work why was it there?

Out of 700 customers how many of you are on here?

[Kirkburton]

They must have because I sure as hell didn't. I still have the letter you sent me regarding this matter, you should dig it out and look at it maybe if you had checked the coding of the two sites together you would have seen the differences.

And before you try and make the argument thart there were similarities, it was the bog standard coding that was the same, keywords etc, which you cannot have copyright on.

[Design Agent]

ANDREW MORRIS

I know nothing about this whole saga and I dont care because its not my money that was/ wasnt stolen.

However, having just read what you are writing you have said nothing worthwhile in everyone of those posts. Just sarcastic crap, now if it was me being accused, when I was innocent I would be pretty angry.

You have managed to make yourself look like an idiot.. within a couple of posts you could have earned some respect by qualifying and explaining the situation/ position instead.

And if you really think making jokes about terminal cancer are funny then I suggest you stay AS FAR FROM ME AS YOU CAN.

Why dont you wipe that stupid smirk from your face prove these guys accusing you that they are full of it or GO AWAY and wait until one of them pays you back somehow.

Threats hold no water - if someone is going to attack your family they will never threaten you first. - once again - not saying you did - I am not judge and jury here.

Dont waste your time with more oneliners and try and do yourself some justice, if you are innocent as you protest.

[Andrew Morris]

Sarcasm is all this deems, many times i have given proof many times I have asked for proof off these posters, my stupid smirk is there because you all really flatter me, you have nothing of value or legal proof to say, I don't have to justify myself in the eyes of fools, its really quite comical, you don't hurt me or have any affect on my life, I just thought I could join in with the charade instead of trying to appeal to intelligence where there is seeming little. To be honest Design Agent or whatever, why if you don't care are you on here, it has nothing to do with you. I didn't make a joke about terminal cancer I used a similie, a useful and essential part of the English language to described feelings or things, maybe to personify them or convey them more clearly. I really don't wish to earn your respect as I don't know you. Are you just jumping on the band wagon? I think so buddy. Thank you for telling me to go away I really respect your opinion.

[Kirkburton]

IF you have/had 700 customers, I know of about 45 that are not happy with your service and have had a problem with your/ADA or any other of your incarnations. That is 5% of your clients, a pretty damning amount. There probably more out there that I don't know about, they keep coming out of the woodwork, another two last week alone. We have yet to see one credible post on this forum from a happy client of yours.

Even the one you siad was a happy customer ages ago (Swift Loans) now has bart simpson baring his backside on their site saying they are bad payers! What a professional outfit you run Andrew.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

That's fantastic that you must have all our files with you, makes a change whenever I used to phone up Angela (bless her) never had a clue where it was!

I have changed my mind Andrew, you have done nothing wrong, all of these people who have had the same experience as me is nothing to do with you and your rogue companies and is all our fault!

Re-charging peoples credit card is normal practice.

Registering lists of ltd companies all with different variations of Alex Doyle is normal.

Spending a few months ripping people of with one company, stopping trading, and then starting up again with a slightly different name is normal.

Using your phone to make threatening phone calls or allowing your phone to be used to make threatening phone calls is normal.

Refusing to answer court summonses is normal.

Constantly being visited by the trading standards is normal.

Having the police investigate you for credit card fraud is normal.

Realising that people who have been wronged by you do not believe your lies and excuses.

Understand that this won't go away.

Thank You
James

[jeff]

Andrew ,
Just read your pile of drivel - we gave you a web site that had been written and encoded and handed it over to you , we then got it back from you after none of your keywords and supposed brilliance worked - your good at being smug and silly and thats about it - apart from of course 700 customers at £500 a throw = £350k which isnt bad - we then had our original website reloaded back onto its server - minus all your rubbish which as it was rubbish had to be removed , you then redebited my credit card for leaving our system on your server , thats what i was told the reason was , if you think of a better one please change the truth to suit yourself - at the end of the day you are slippery and preyed upon those of us who were naive as to the uses and perameters of seo type work , and you had a good contract written to protect you.So to claim that i loaded back on what was mine to start with - yes , but to misinform and allege that i somehow "stole" and reused your poor quality work is wrong - as are u wrongun.

[Design Agent]

OK, firstly, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are NOT referring to me as 'you' or as a 'fool' - as I said I was merely an observer.

It sounds to me like you are calling everyone here at dp stupid.. which I will again give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not.

Tell you what:
Try and use your intellect and show these others up instead of answering with 'I dont need to do it because it doesnt matter/ i dont care/ blah blah.

Charade or not, you are the one looking bad by this from an outside observers perspective.

Please dont waste dps bandwidth telling me again how little you care.

[Andrew Morris]

Yeah I have been investigated haven't I, I've threatened people, I've ignored summonses haven't I. I've fraudulently charged credit cards haven't I.

Behave mate.

You all waste bandwith with accussations that have no legal baring whatsoever.

Give me proof of all these accussations, give me proof of all these investigations, please shut me up once and for all, show all the dp users this, enlighten them, I'm asking you to do it for my sanity and everyone else's sanity on this thread.

[jeff]

Ahh Andy's out fishing now - who knows what about him lol time to shut up shop for today , bye Andy , your wife will be home from a hard day at Tesco's working on the tills so ud better get that hoover out and snap those marigolds on , time for mummys little soldier to get busy.
Lovely attitude you have - does failure make people like you ? dont worry just remember it's always someone elses fault not yours.sleep well knowing that your loved by all.

[Andrew Morris]

As for percentage rates I think you will find the industry standard for cancellations, complaints etc is roughly 10% for any service providers, including companies like BT etc. NOT COMPARING ADA TO BRITSH TELECOM OF COURSE.

[Kirkburton]

about sums it up to me, why be better than industry standard when you can be bog standard, where is the ambition, no wonder this country is going down the pan. The figure i gave you did not include cancellations, or the people that i do not know abpout.

I think Andrew is fishing too, I have loads of proof, just not going to give it to him. It's already been given to the people that matter.

[Andrew Morris]

Thanks Jeff, behind every successful man there's a good woman, who actually holds a professional job, and a failed company. Andy's not fishing just asking for proof but you can't provide it because it doesn't exist can you. Twist it as you want but without proof your just rambling, which is why you use a forum to type out your opinions, not fact, opinions and decide to condemn me. To be honest solicitors have looked at this and said I have a case to take it to court, only been advised that the likelyhood of any compensation is limitted due to the type and size of companies and individuals you are dealing with. Ignorance is bliss all, but if you had any weight or legal argument why not publish it? If there is any legal evidence or any evidence, then I would find out anyway, the fact is you are all clutching at straws. I don't want this to go away, I just want you to back up your statements I am always willing. Are you frightened of egg on your face or what? Show the proof to the forum or shut up.
Otherwise it just looks pathetic.

And I'm about to plug in my Dyson top of the range all singing all dancing hoover provided to me by yourselves, thankyou.

[jeff]

So why was my card debited and the monies not refunded ? by the way ive already answered and shown your last excuse to be a pile of rubbish.so come up with another answer I always enjoy hearing the truth , something like cos your all mugs and I could would not offend me in fact it would be refreshing to hear as opposed to your usual slippery - its legal its in the contract , I cant be sued for it , etc is it moral to act in the way that u did ? or doesnt that side issue of ethics bother you ?
As for you being succesfull - depends by how you measure success doesnt it? personally and industry averages aside (and no i wldnt compare ADA to BT) if i had lets call it 45 unsatisfied customers I would change jobs and try to find something I was good at, anyway back to the sink and wash up Andrew - dont want to break the kids p.c by getting it wet (water is bad for computers by the way).

[Kirkburton]

The only one looking pathetic here is you Andrew, go and give your self a cheap thrill with your vacuum cleaner.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

What more proof do you want?

You have got 40 people on here all saying the same thing 'your a crook'. What more proof do you want.

The proof I personally have is your company told me that in exchange for £950 they would get my website in the top positions on the major search engines, they didin't, that is proof!

If your a clever chap running a legit business why did ADA go into administration? There is your proof that ADA are hopeless.

Thank You
James

[jeff]

I love the way he comes on here and tells everyone theyve paid for his "top of the range Dyson" is that a Northern thing ? got small house but ut tut great Hoover and going to Benidorm for ut tut fortnight (apologies to anyone else in the North not called Andrew whatsit name).
Ahh go on sad lad hope it makes u sneeze.
Glad you managed to get your ego out for the afternoon hope you feel much better about yourself.

[Andrew Morris]

No probs lad, yeah we're all northern monkeys, benidorm's and awesome holiday are you slating northern working class life and down tut workin men's club fort bitter wif lads an maybe some wippet racing later. Ya got a small house what did you own at 23? Liquidaton is proof of hopelessness and people saying I am a crook on this forum is also proof, dear me, so Richard Branson is hopeless, Rover is hopeless, ok James lets hope you never fall foul or have never fallen foul.

But still there is no proof no evidence of accussations.

[SEbasic]

Isn't it against the law (Data Protection) to post confidential documents publicly?

[jeff]

Andrew if you dont answer a straight question then theres is no point in talking to you.
23 years old - thats explains the lack of brain power behind your statements , and got a hoover - think someone earlier gave you a suggestion as to what you could do with it ?

[Andrew Morris]

Going now tut washup pots and booook mi oliday tut Benidorm. C ya all soon we will resume, again thanks fer hoover an small ouse it was really appreciated by mi and mi wife who works ard int Tescos ont tills. Choa for now.

Ps While I'm away, homework fer tonight lads, get some proof and we will all talk intelligently. Oh yes age explains a lack of brain power insightful Jeffrey, but still what did you own at 23, or were you still living with mama and dada darling?

Yes Dyson's reach places other hoovers can't. Try it you might be less frustrated.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Come on now.

Enough with the comparisons: BT, Richard Branson and Rover.

Why did ADA go into 'Administration'?

Thank You
James

[Kirkburton]

Why should we give proof to you?

I'm sure all of us would not have all got together and thought of someone to pick on for a laugh.

Get real Andrew and stop living in your little fantasy world.

[jeff]

If they are your records you can publish them and make them public "property" however to disclose a third parties details is in breach.

[Andrew Morris]

Which some posters have done on the forum Jeff

[Kirkburton]

And one in particular has just told lies

[Andrew Morris]

Your all your own worst enemies,you can't deal with things professionally, you just post on the forum though, good excuses won't give proof because why should we, perhaps because you have slandered me, nice e-mail though somes you up Rob, tell Andrew to go f**k himself, sums up your arguement, lacks substance and intelligent thought. Kirk don't confess to being a lyer.

[jeff]

Andy - my ego's slightly smaller than yours so i wont gut you and explain how easy it is to have made money by 23, and that I didnt have to promise to do stuff that I couldnt then do, but anyway little lad im off now - laters.

[Kirkburton]

You are upset because your little fantasy plan has backfired into your little fantasy world where Andrew Morris is the victim.

You shouldn't send e-mails pretending to be someone else then should you if you don't want to know what people say about you.

But then you are good at pretending to be people you are not, i.e., Jamie, Gary Rhodes.

You like coffee, try waking up and smelling it!

What good timing, just had a call from the Police

[Andrew Morris]

Really give the local constabulary my best. Again I really don't know what you're talking about. All I can say is somewhere, someone must be annoyed by you or by something that you have done and to be honest, that really isn't a suprise to me. I've better things to do and more important things to worry about than you and your fabrications. Who is this Gary or Jamie, and I never sent you an e-mail pretending to be someone else ever. What did they say to you they must have really struck a nerve, but alas that isn't my problem. There again, how do I know that you haven't created these individuals and occurences in your crazy little mind? Like the credit card fraud etc etc

Let me get this right you are accusing me of pretending to be Jamie or Gary Rhodes and threatening your family? Yes or No?

You are accussing me of being dishonest in business and committing credit card fraud. Yes /No

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, you know what you have or havn't done, it was your mobile phone that made the call, draw your own conclusions

[Andrew Morris]

Rob answer the question

You really don't have the courage of your convictions do you?

I know that I haver never been dishonest or committed credot card fraud or rang and threatened you.

Its simple I've put arguments forward you haven't, you've just accused

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, you are trying to get me to make a schoolboy error, i'm not that stupid.

All I can state is the facts.

The call came from your mobile, deny it if you like, but I have proof, and a third party to back up, get out of that one.

[Old Welsh Guy]

Gentlemen, I put it to you all that this discussion is going nowhere. Andrew is not naswering any of the questions he is being asked, insted he is doing a classic sales method of deflecting a question with another question of his own.

I have no idea of the merits of this case, but rest assured that if the police are involved, then although the wheels may turn slowly, they do turn. One case that was similar to that being alleged here took over 7 years to get to court.

I should state that I have had no dealings with any of the companies here, but as this is an open forum thought I would chirp in. Andrew has asked for proof, you all have access to PM's, gather your evidence, present it to the police, and if there is a case to answer to, then they will bring it, if not, they will not.

I have to say it has been an interesting ride, until today that is when it has been very silly.

[Kirkburton]

Old Welsh Guy, fear not, the wheels of justice are turning, they just needed a little oiling and i think Andrew provided the oil himself on Friday.

[InfoKing]

No probs lad, yeah we're all northern monkeys, benidorm's and awesome holiday are you slating northern working class life and down tut workin men's club fort bitter wif lads an maybe some wippet racing later. Ya got a small house what did you own at 23?

Ha,Ha!! For all those away from the North, Dukinfield is possibly one of the shittiest areas around!! Face it lad you are seemingly trying to cover up 3 years of dishonesty, lying, cheating and stealing with a poor attempt of quick wit and even worse spelling. For all those bitten i am an SEO, one of the few honest left, i have a PDQ facility and i do know that any whiff of fraud your mercant will be taken away and you will be investigated! It doesn't matter if you did or do exist the trading standards, local police and all relevant parties will investigate you if a certain amount of complaints are bought against you as i work damn hard to keep my name shit hot with all of these people!! Morris, your company may live in the past tense but my gut feeling is that in the present a whole world of shit is about to come crashing down around you and the sooner you cut your immature crap and face these people with an honest and respectable attitude the better for all involved.

My base is relatively near the Morris camp, if any of you need any advice on matters at hand regarding the best steps to take then please message me. I have nothing against you personally Morris however these people you enjoy taking the piss out of don't own legitimate businesses for you and every other cowboy to shit on.

My piece is said, all the best everyone. Please don't entertain me with your sarcastic responses Andrew, try and treat me and everyone else in here with the respect that they deserve.

[Foxy]

amen.......at long last the truth is coming out.......the joke is he doesn't know it...lol...the peer comments here state logically the position...well done all who have contributed...and I'm sorry to hear of physical threats...I had an idea that was what happenned......be brave guys :)

[Andrew Morris]

Well well well....Mr Info King, funny that you should say that the area I live in is a shit place, even though nit had the biggest house price rise in the uk last year. Didn't you say you're pretty close to where I am??? Hmmm sort of slating your own backyard there aren't you!!

Furthermore, you say you know me from years ago.....I think personally you're talking out of your backside. You won't even say who you are.....why is that?? What have you to be afraid of?? I'm not into threatening people or even commiting acts of violence against people, I'm far more adult than that and to be quite honest, would not waste my time and energy doing so. So tell me Info King, if you know me, who are you? I do have my suspicions I know who you are and if I'm right then you would know all about Merchant Services and CID wouldn't you? What company name have you used to precure you're PDQ facility with now??.......

Kirkburton I'm not trying to make you make a mistake just spell out exactly what you are accussing me of?

Do you have the courage of your convictions?

Do you have proof to back up the accussations made?

I will publically meet with everyone on this forum to discuss these claims made by you in person, that is my position.

I don't hide behind call signs and slate innocent people personally on a forum. I don't publish personal details about anyone, I don't make any unfounded malicious statements or harrass people.

I don't condemn people in any way.

I have the intelligence to consider both arguements.

But then again when a mob mentality is present, you just can't help follow. Sheep always follow a shepherd. Time after time, after time I have asked for proof, but no one has any just little sniffling statements like THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE ARE TURNING!

There are miscellaneous people posting making comments like Foxy who no nothing about the situation, but then again a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Why is no proof given BECAUSE THERE IS NONE? IT REALLY ISN'T BRAIN SURGERY IS IT?

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, you keep saying that you are not into threatening people, you are unlikely to admit it in a public forum if you are now are you?

But then someone with a schizophrenic nature doesn't always know what they've done, maybe you need psychiatric help.

[Andrew Morris]

Schizophrenia mature isn't it. AGAIN ALTOGETHER EVERYONE ALL WE ARE SAYING IS SHOW US THE PROOF??????????

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Why did ADA go into 'Administration' Andrew?

[Andrew Morris]

You've received the corresspondance James, its a sensitive issue that no one has any regard for this or professionalism on this forum for that matter.

I have answered many questions:

1. I have never committed credit card fraud.

2. I have never illegitimately debited a credit card.

3. I have never issued threats to anyone.

4. I try not to discuss cases on the forum because i believe in professional courtesy not through an admission of guilt.

5. I am not nor ever had been a crook. I am a well respected individual within the local community, have done much work for people and am always willing to help anyone, give anyone my last penny if feel it would help them. I have and always give my all to people in need, if you don't beleive this then thats your choice, but ask anyone who knows me they will tell you. I have even strectched to the degree that I have put my own welfare and life in danger to help another. I don't even have a criminal record, I have never been in trouble with the police.

6. If i was a crook and intended to defraud people, why as a company did we invest 75% of our wage bill on customer service and technical teams and 25% on sales? Incompetance happens within every company, staff can be a knightmare, all business owners understand and realise this, but fraud was never committed or intended. Really it doesn't make sense.

7. Why Rob, when you have openly admitted that the company owes you nothing and you don't have a grudge against the company do you persue this.

8. To all other non ADA clients, really this has nothing to do with you. The thread is entitled Alex Doyle Associates, not lets have a dig against Andrew and a slanging match because we are bored, or wish to procure business illegitimiately, please get on with your own affairs however mundane they may be.

9. The offer still stands I am willing to meet publically with anyone.

10. I have asked for proof and there hasn't been anyone willing to come forward. If this thread was serious and aimed to achieve constructive results rather than just a public hanging, would you entertain carpet baggers such as Info King, Foxy, Design King, who have no qualified opinion on ADA, would it be personal, I don't think so.

11. Other intelligent human beings who read this really see it for what it is a witch hunt, to quote one customners comments exactly.

[Kirkburton]

I can't be bothered to argue with you Andrew, I've got proof to back up my claims, I only deal in facts which is something you do not. You seem to have difficulty differentiating between fact and fiction, maybe you've told yourself the same story so often you think what you're saying is the truth.

I have proof that you/ Alex Doyle fraudulently took money from peoples credit cards without their authorisation.

I have proof that two merchant services companies refused to deal with Alex Doyle because of the amount of money they were having to refund to your clients.

I have proof that a call was made from your mobile phone with regard to demanding money with menaces.

If you want to see the proof there is a time and a place for you to see it, and it sure as hell isn't on here, if I were you I'd get yourself a good solicitor.

You ask why I pursue this, I feel that people need to be warned what they are getting into when entering into business with you. Had my issues with ADA resolved by your overpaid cutomer services then we wouldn't all be in this position. Maybe you should have invested more on your optimisation services, because the people you employed obviously did not have a clue what they were doing. I gave ADA the opportunity to resolve matters on more than one occasion and all they did was take me for a some kind of mug. Well, you/ADA just happened to pick on the wrong person. I've never threatened you, I havn't sent anyone round to pay you a visit. I believe in the truth and doing things the proper way and I will continue to be a thorn in your side, especially after the threats I received.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and in many ways you have done me a favour, you have taught me a very valuable business lesson, never buy anything from an unsolicited phone call.

You may have answered questions, but unfortunately they do not match the stories of your dissatisfied customers. Are you saying we are all liars? If I wanted to go on a witchunt, I could find more impotant and influential people than you to pick on. You are not that important, to be honest I wouldn't miss you crawled back into the hole you came from and stayed there, in fact it would be a blessing.

[Design Agent]

OK

1. ITS DESIGN AGENT
2. I DONT CARE ABOUT ADA - I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU TO START TALKING SENSE. - I dont know any of these other people.
3. I WILL MEET YOU TOMORROW PUBLICALLY NO PROBLEM AT ALL FOR ME - although I have no 'business' to discuss with you.

Anyone thats been here a while will know I am NOT an SEO/ Competitor or anything of the sort, I tried to lead to into to posting something worthwhile after reading the majority of the thread, I never said you were incompetitent - I said you spoke to everyone like a brat.

So, try and drag me or insult me if you like.. (dont worry, I would not threaten you for doing so). OR you can say "fairplay, I was not reacting well to those accusations and those who posted were trying to help us get a little resoultion, Its choice gallery and kirk that have a problem with me, it shouldnt be too hard for me to plicate the rest with a little MANNERS whilst I try and fix my current predicament" ;)

[Kirkburton]

Design Agent, if it were only Choice Gallery and myself that had a problem I wouldn't be here. I know of around 45 other people taken for a ride by ADA, of whom Andrew Morris was a director, they all want answers too.

[Kirkburton]

As you seem to think that everyone else is wrong and you are right, may I suggest that you get yourself a good mug of steaming hot coffee and sit down and read this thread from the beginning. While you are at it also read this

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=338

and this (I don't know who posted this one!)

http://www.blagger.com/db4/company_id/929/companyname/Alex-Doyle-Associates.html


Just so you can remember the good old days Andrew, here are some comments made by some of your former employees.

"Then that's when it sarted to go even worse, work was not even being done for new customers, credit card receipts for old customers were being put through the PDQ machine even though it was nowhere near the renewal date, Andrew Morris the sales director was promising potential customers things that even he knew were not acheivable with their website and rankings"

"They are jokers who have ruined a lot of businesses throughout their 3 years and I just wanted to offer any information you may think would be valuable in your fight with them"

"It took me about 4 months to figure out that clients were not getting what they paid
for."

"We probably had 10 clients with good rankings another 20-30 with okay rankings the rest well you probably know."

"I began to feel guilty about taking peoples money and not providing a service but when the credit card stuff started happening that was the final straw."

"One day I checked admin emails there were about 7 emails from people complaining about having money taken from their cards"

"The last day before the offices changed Andrew stayed behind until 12 with the pdq.
One of my ex colleagues asked him one day what was going on asking if he was
creaming it he said yes"

"Quite simply they dont care as long as they get their £1000 plus wages at the end of the week"

I've got more there they came from. All of these comments were made by people that have said they are willing to stand up in court against you. Stop fobbing people off with stupid sarcastic comments and face up to your responsibilities.

[InfoKing]

You have no idea who i am Morris, you poached one of my long term clients around 3 years ago promising them guaranteed 1st position and a red Ferrari or some bollocks like that!! I have operated from the same office for 5 years and have had my PDQ machine for 6 years courtesy of Streamline and registered to ME!!

By the way all, unsurprisingly i got my client back after Dick Dastardly and the Mottley Crew failed to gain any positioning and the Ferrari they delivered was blue.

[moleskin]

I posted way back in this forum some time ago - I never managed to gain information from my old client about how ADA got in touch with them but this is what I do know.

I built the website warmtiles.co.uk a few years ago - the site initially had very good search engine results. For example if you typed in Mirror demisters the site appeared SECOND in google rankings and generally appeared in the top 20 for various other search requests.

Now in all honesty if most people's websites were getting very good top 20 results let alone top 5 results why on earth would they need SEO??

Out of pure interest I checked the website rankings from time to time just to see how it performed. I was quite astonished to find that after a few months my top 2 ranking had slipped to under top 50 ranking?? Why had this happened - well I looked at the code and found this massive block of cr*p which described the site as being optimised by ADA!!

The orginal site cost the guy £500 as a favour because he was a friend of a friend. As soon as that site started getting good rankings in google he started to receive loads of junk mail from SEO companies telling him how they can get his site higher in Google?? Well he was second does he really need to be first?? I am guessing all these companies came across his website via search engines of some sort - so if they have managed to find him this way surely all potential customers would also manage to find him using the same method??

Now the guy in question came across as a nice guy who knows nothing about the web or even computers for that matter - this was evident by the amount of spyware that was found on his system. So if he is being promised great things he seemed like the kind of guy who would have been sold something. I spent hours convincing him that HE DOES NOT NEED these companies. Week after week he would phone me up saying he had another email from someone. My response was - there is a clue there in the fact that they have sent you an email. In order to access your email address they must have come across your website. Which means they must of searched you out via a search engine.

When i found this chunk or cr*p code regarding ADA i did a search in google hoping to come across a website outlining who they were and what they did. Could I find anything? NO - all I found was forums like this with complaints about how the bloke has ripped off people and NOT achieved what he claimed he could. What annoyed me is that a site I had set up as a favour and initially had done a technically good job of doing (SEO wise) was then being MIS-used to optimise someone else's fraudulant profits.

Regardless of any contracts people sign or set-up if you claim you can do something then you should be able to deliver. ADA took a good site which was already getting very good google search results and killed it - and probably had the customer pay for the privilegde as well.

Luckily the site seems free of his cr*p and it seems to be getting good results once again. However after reading his un-professional comments on this site it amazes me that someone can act in such a manner and respond to customers the way he has. If he truely had been the victim of circumstance he so claims he is why on earth abuse everyone who has posted on this site. Surely commonsense would prevail and this guy should be on the PR offensive trying to mend his broken reputation.

A quick rule for anyone wanting to use a SEO company - try doing a search on SEO in google - if the company who have emailed you DO NOT appear in the top ten - don't waste your time. And anyone who promises top 5 google - please ignore them too. With the web you cannot promise anything and deliver - mainly due to the web being far too complex with too many rules.

Still reading ADA comments on this site has brought a smile to my face. Surely he would have been better placed keeping his face off this site and keeping his mouth shut. Just by writing on here he has ensured it appears in Google and anyone who ever types in the words alex doyle associates (should he be stupid enough to use it) will be presented with this forum - both highlighting the poor business he had - and also what an arrogant man was at the helm of that company.

All the best Alex - and thanks for the interesting read!!

[Andrew Morris]

This really is getting out of control.

Rob thank you for your replies and posts over this last year you have said enough really as have a few others. I would seriously suggest you all seek legal advice before posting in future, but the past is the past and you can't change this.

For those "testimonies", go ahead and stand up in court and testify, take me to court Rob and all I really have nothing to hide. You make it clear to me, through your recent posts accussing me adamently about making threatening phone calls, other people have jumped on the bandwagon, saying I guessed that was happening.

self confessed: i will continue to be a thorn in Andrew's side even though I have no grudge to bear against the company.

All I can say is I won't let this lie as long as it continues it causes pain to innocent people, I'm not going anywhere.

Please take me to court over anything you feel you can, I will gladly attend and we then can put this to bed, the ball is firmly in your court, this harassment will stop!

[Foxy]

jumped on the bandwagon, saying I guessed that was happening.

You need to grow up ..... most people have been understanding the scenario..except you.

As to jumping on the bandwagon....I have been commenting on and off on this thread for right from the beginning.

You are judged by others Andrew ... not yourself

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, there is an old saying that goes there are none so blind as those that don't wish to see.

This is obvious from the way you have interpreted my statements, what I said to save you scroling was

"I believe in the truth and doing things the proper way and I will continue to be a thorn in your side, especially after the threats I received."

and

"You ask why I pursue this, I feel that people need to be warned what they are getting into when entering into business with you. Had my issues with ADA resolved by your overpaid cutomer services then we wouldn't all be in this position. "

I don't like having money demanded from me, I do not like having threats made against me and my family. I am not the one that has done anything wrong, so why are you trying to paint me as the bad guy? The only thing I'm guilty of is letting people know what ADA, and you as a director of this company have done, and how they have treated their customers. I know I have told the truth because I have the proof to back up my comments. Do you have the proof to prove otherwise?

You still cannot tell me who phoned me from your mobile. Seeing as you, John and Patrick are the only people that I may have upset that may have access to your mobile apart from maybe Gemma (I can't believe her voice is that deep), it's one of those mysteries, maybe it was the SEO faries again.

[Kirkburton]

One thing you fail to realise Andrew is the kind of person I am. Had everything worked out fine I would have come back to you to do more work on my site, I would have recommended you to thousands of other businesses through the Chambers of Commerce and other associations that i belong to. You would have had so much work that you wouldn't have known what to do with it.

With a little bit of effort and an eye on the bigger picturre rather than the quick buck things may have been very different for you, you may have even been able to afford a house in Macclesfield!

I've never hidden from you Andrew. If you want to speak to me you are more than welcome you have my number, just as long as you are yourself and not some alter ego.

[jeff]

I could never get one bit of common sense or a straight answer from anyone at ADA , Andrew Morris always told me to talk to "Patrick" who was rarely available and when i did get through to him always promised to call me back but never managed to , then when I finally managed to get a refund for non performance from ADA my credit card was redebited by ADA for the original sum as i had somehow left some of their code on my system when we reloaded our original website back on ? absolute load of rubbish if you ask me and I never got a satisfactory answer from Andrew or anyone at ADA , Now not knowing the first thing about computers (hence employing ADA) maybe that code was on there , then again maybe it wasnt , and if it was on there why didnt ADA communicate the fact in "plain English" about what needed to be done , instead of knowing they have a contractual loophole that can result in redebiting , the credit card company wiped the debt which tells me that they thought it was wasnt right for me to pay for goods or services that I hadnt actually received! Either way a company is as good as its man age ment structure , maybe the youth isnt of enough age yet ? Better luck next time Master Morris.

[Kirkburton]

I've just been forwarded a new contact number for e-commerce marketing if anyone wants to call them 0845 120 0740

Anyone wany a laugh, here is an e-mail sent out by them. Note the insinuation that they have got good results for the big name companies, when if you readit carefully they are saying we have designed these sites...and these others (that we have had nothing to do with) are getting good results.



I would like to tell you a little about what we do and show you some examples of work we have carried out for some of our other clients.

Pay Per Click can be quite an expensive way of marketing your website particularly if you're spending a large amount of your advertising budget and not seeing the conversion from the hits you get in terms of sales.

For example, if you're spending £1000 per month on pay per click and receiving 10,000 hits to your website of which, the majority of those hits aren't turning into business, that's £1000 that your company has lost.

E-commerce marketing can drive the same amount of unique hits to your website on the natural listings which means a higher conversion rate for a considerably lower costing therefore saving your company money.

Unlike SEO companies that offer you great listings on search engines and then in actual fact give you disappointing results, our company work on the basis that our clients pay for results. We work this way because we believe it's ethically correct and because if our clients are satisfied with the results we achieve on their behalf, they want to employ our services continually. Therefore, we can build what we hope to be a lasting relationship with our clients.

Below are some website addresses of other clients that we service. If you would like to view the websites I'm sure you'll agree that the work we have carried out is both professional and effective. There are also some search terms below that you may check on Google which will show that the methods that we employ at E-commerce Marketing work and work well.

If it is possible, I would like to arrange a meeting with yourself and other decision makers in your marketing strategy to discuss what we do and show you examples of successes we've had with other companies in your industry sector and other industries.

Example websites
The following websites have all been designed by E-commerce Marketing Ltd.
WWW.PACKAGEHOLIDAYDEALS.CO.UK
WWW.CARIBBEANHOLIDAYDEALS.CO.UK
WWW.CYPRUSHOLIDAYDEALS.CO.UK
WWW.REDSEAHOLIDAYDEALS.CO.UK
WWW.THESTUDENTBUS.COM

The following websites are all in top positions for the following search terms;
1. WWW.PICOVERDE.COM - TYPE IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

· WALKING HOLIDAYS SPAIN

· HIKING HOLIDAYS SPAIN

· HOLIDAYS SPAIN

2. WWW.HOLIDAY.CO.UK - TYPE IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

· HOLIDAY

· PACKAGE HOLIDAY

3. WWW.DURAWELD.CO.UK - TYPE IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

· A4 RING BINDERS

· A3 RING BINDERS

· CUSTOMISED RING BINDERS

4. WWW.UNITYESTATES.COM - TYPE IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:

· LUXURY PROPERTY MARBELLA

· OFF PLAN PROPERTY MARBELLA


I hope that this information is of use to you.

Kind Regards,


Daniel Howard 0845 120 0740

Appointments Manager

E-commerce Marketing Ltd

[SystemCare]

Ive just called a couple of these people and they have never heard of E Commerce Marketing Ltd. Surely to pass your work off as someone elses is illegal?

[aeiouy]

Why are so many of these internet business schemers in their early 20s? Too hard to go out and start a real business?

I did read some of the early parts, and I find it amusing anyone would guarantee top serps placements. If it were so easy, then they could dominate the serps and own every single search term. Clearly that is not possible, so how could they ever think to offer it.

It is unfortunate anyone ever hooked up with these guys for services and lost money. I don't suggest giving up, but it should be a lesson learned, for sure.

[Kirkburton]

Ive just called a couple of these people and they have never heard of E Commerce Marketing Ltd. Surely to pass your work off as someone elses is illegal?

It'll be passed on to trading standards, but as we all know they've got no balls to do anything about it.

[Kirkburton]

Hi All, I have it on good authority that Andew Morris is now working for a company called First Found (www.firstfound. co.uk). I know nothing about this company so may be reputable but be wary if you get a call from the one with the nasal twang in case he has taken his address book. It might be worth checking this out as well as someone is already complaining about their selling techniques which will sound very familiar to alot of us. http://www.searchguild.com/viewtopic.php?p=238255

[T0PS3O]

Did you get anywhere in the end as far as money back is concerned?

(Wow, first found does search engine submissions!)

[Kirkburton]

I managed to get all money I paid to Alex Doyle back through my Credit Card provider, I know there were others that were not quite so lucky though.

[Kirkburton]

I have spoken to Barrie at First Found and I can assure you that Andrew Morris is in no way associated with this company.

Apologies to First Found for this misunderstanding.

[Old Welsh Guy]

I have spoken to Barrie at First Found and I can assure you that Andrew Morris is in no way associated with this company.

Apologies to First Found for this misunderstanding.

It takes a big man to openly admit a mistake, well done!

[agent86]

http://elgg.net/patrick/

It is the same Patrick Gallagher - check out the resumes posted in his RSS feed - listing Alex Doyle as the current employer.

http://elgg.net/patrick/files/318/738/CV+Oracle+Experience.doc

http://elgg.net/patrick/files/318/737/CV+HR+Experience.doc

What can I say, the man really works hard

[Kirkburton]

http://elgg.net/patrick/

It is the same Patrick Gallagher - check out the resumes posted in his RSS feed - listing Alex Doyle as the current employer.

http://elgg.net/patrick/files/318/738/CV+Oracle+Experience.doc

http://elgg.net/patrick/files/318/737/CV+HR+Experience.doc

What can I say, the man really works hard


Very kind of him to give us his home address, home and mobile telephone numbers and personal e-mail address. I see he dislikes dishonesty and hypocracy...well don't we all, shame he never practiced what he preached, unless he has turned over a new leaf. I know some people that are well connected at O2, I'll see if they know anything about his time there.

Good work Agent 86, I'm sure M will be pleased.

[Kirkburton]

Andrew Morris is back!

If anyone is contacted by a company called Web Gladiator do not deal with them. They already have a fan club which can be seen here http://www.webgladiator-seo.co.uk/

The web gladiator site can be seen here
http:// www.web-gladiator.co. uk/about_seo.asp (delete space between co. uk)

Web Gladiator,
The Basement, Riverside Studio
Compstall Mill
Andrew Street,
Compstall,
Stockport,
Cheshire,
SK6 5HN
Tel. 0870 609 4505
Fax. 0870 609 4506

Company no. 3948123
Vat no. 862081531

The Company number given on their website actually belongs to a company called REIDY - MONAGHAN LIMITED from Dudley in the West Midlands and probably have nothing to do with Web Gladiator
The VAT number is valid, But I cannot find out if it is connected any way to Morris, but i doubt it.

[Old Welsh Guy]

Interesting isn't it.

[Lever]

So what are the odds on some random new 1 post wonder popping up on this thread and singing the praises of web gladiator?

[WebGladiator]

When Andrew morris visited us he made claims that he was working for REIDY - MONAGHAN LIMITED. He stated that Web Gladiator is a trading style of RML. When you look at the directors of RML they are also directors of WGL.
as shown on www . webgladiator-seo. co . uk

Rather than taking the money from credit cards he has now changed his tactics. You see people can go to there card companies and force the chargeback.

Here is his new scam and I urge you not to fall for it, we very nearly did and could easily have been 18k out of pocket.

Andrew Morris and Web Gladiator are now getting you to sign credit agreements with loan companies for services provided, now a few other people on the forum might be a bit more clued up than me but im sure you are not able to have credit or be given a loan for a service? ONLY for a physical item? ie something that can be recovered?? So WGL are claiming that you have purchased software from them. This software is there account for online access to the stats on your web site.

Andrews Morris phoned us and told us we would be getting a phone call from the credit company to confirm we have a software license and software from WGL.
WE DID NOT, HE WAS TELLING US TO LIE.
The first loan/credit company called and we told them we had no software, only a username and password for a web site and when we logged onto the site we could not do anything, very suspisous the company refused the credit and ceased dealing with WGL with immediate effect, this should have started the alarm bells!!.. but didn't, WGL then went to another finance company, weatherbys finance. This finance company was supposed to phone us to confirm we had a license, not sure what AM did but the company did not phone to confirm so when they started taking payments of £500 from our account we had the bank return them and cancelled our agreement with them because they had broken the terms and conditions. We have never received any software license. Andres Morris promised once we had lied to the finance company they would be down to our shop to install software!!..

still, this new way of fraud is shifting the problem from WGL to the finance company, instead of you loosing money to WGL your actually paying back a finance agreement with a finance company and if you did tell them you had a software license when you had a username and password that didnt work like us then you would be paying 500 a month for 3 years!,... £18k saved for us. We did lose £1k though by paying morris a deposit by cheque!..

We had all the same problems listed in this thread, Andrew morris never in, misses having a baby, we've NEVER spoken to any other director as they have NEVER been available when we have phoned. and definately not a single competitive keyword on the first page of google.

I found an user manual when logging into there web site for web position gold, obviously all there diong is running this per web site !!!

Obviously several conversations then took place between my company and wetherbys finance, at one point WGL sent them a letter claiming they had built over 30 mini sites to link to our web site, when I checked them out and 26 out of 30 of these sites were hard core porn link farms containing spyware and browser hijacking coding!!.. none of them were linked to our sites, none are registered to WGL.

The other 4 were linked to one of our sites.

Contact me for any more information, I think if im not mistaked the last mobile number I had for Andrew Morris was 0792021298.

Several phone calls, emails and letters followed to them but no reply.
He's will come on here but when he's hid behind a computer!, he even says he has seen people face to face, I agree, you come to see us 2 times but this was before you realised you was ripping us off, if Andrew was to show his face in our shop again im 100% sure he would be leaving in an ambulance!

regards
Stung by Web Gladiator:

[Old Welsh Guy]

Have you contacted trading standards, and the police? I would think this is fraud, it is not bad business practice.

[WebGladiator]

Have you contacted trading standards, and the police? I would think this is fraud, it is not bad business practice.

Nope, from past experience contacting the police or TS has been a complete waste of time and I can't be bothered to waste my time.

One day, AM and myself will cross paths again, I will take my £1k back then.

I learnt a valuable lesson from AM!

[Lever]

Nope, from past experience contacting the police or TS has been a complete waste of time and I can't be bothered to waste my time.

One day, AM and myself will cross paths again, I will take my £1k back then. For a thousand pounds I'd happily 'waste' 5 days of my time.

It's about the principle here... if you can't be bothered then neither will others, so if you think it's not worth it then just let it rest and those who took your money will take other peoples money and there will be one 'fat cat' and a lot of unhappy fools parted with their cash.

On the other hand, you can spend a little time and effort into getting word out to the right people... what about contacting BBC's Watchdog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/consumer/tv_and_radio/watchdog/contact_index.shtml)? Let them know this thread so they can investigate the possibilities of a good story...

Anyway, you could wait an entire lifetime waiting to bump into the perpetrators and it not happen or you could do something about it and have the satisfaction of seeing their face on TV for all the wrong reasons.

[nelly]

Hi All
Thanks to the person who sent us the warning about webgladiator! We had worked this out anyway and cancelled a few months ago. The problem we have is that all the domains that they registered and mini websites are our property as per the contract as they failed in all respects. Trying to get the information out of them to enable us to manage them is impossible. Does anyone know if they are still trading? Andrew has left to set up on his own. Bet he will do well-he has the sales skills of a snake in the grass and customer services skills of a lump of coal.

[WebGladiator]

Hi All
Thanks to the person who sent us the warning about webgladiator! We had worked this out anyway and cancelled a few months ago. The problem we have is that all the domains that they registered and mini websites are our property as per the contract as they failed in all respects. Trying to get the information out of them to enable us to manage them is impossible. Does anyone know if they are still trading? Andrew has left to set up on his own. Bet he will do well-he has the sales skills of a snake in the grass and customer services skills of a lump of coal.

This is Andrew Mossis's mobile number 07920291298

Last time I called him, a couple of months ago he answered the phone, the lanky piece of gutless skin put the phone down though when he found out who it was.

Not sure who he works for but if you look at the results from 192.com he is registered as the owner of the business.

http://www.webgladiator-seo.co.uk/images/web-glad-big.jpg

There is a big tangling web of companies accossiated to Web Gladiator, starting with Reidy Monoghan ltd. west midlands, other directors include several directors and other limited companies that are linked into several other web gladiator style business.

They have redesigned and re-launched there new web site so I presume they are still ripping people off!

[WebGladiator]

http://www.seoadvisors.co.uk/

[InfoKing]

Hi Guys,

I've not been here for a while but just popped back and saw that the plot has thickened. My office is very near the mill where Morris is meant to be operating in and i know of him due to unfortunate past events where he ripped of a couple of our clients. If it's any help i would be more than happy to bob down there and have a mooch around. I doubt you can miss his dull nasal tones around the place?!

[Kirkburton]

Anyone that has suffered financially after coming into contact with any of Andrew Morris's companies contact DC Heather Cowap at Greater Manchester Police.

We all know contacting BBC's Watchdog is a waste of time and Trading Standards don't give a toss if it's not affecting the general public.

[WebGladiator]

www.vince-carter-reidy-monaghan.co.uk

So it looks like the directors of web gladiator have continued there scam by calling the business Reidy - Monaghan Limited and using the directors name Vince carter to promote the site.

other directors include!

Joanne Carter, Andrew James Plimmer, Mark Richard Davie.

Mr Carter:
Gender: Male
Birthday: 16/10/1962
Nationality: British
you may contact him at the following registered address

12 WATERS EDGE MARPLE BRIDGE STOCKPORT CHESHIRE SK6 5EX

[InfoKing]

That website is bizzare, no examples, terrible layout and it basically looks like a 3 year old kid has tried their hand at designing a site.

Surely no one in their right mind would ever promote themselves using that??

[ArtfulWebSites]

Anyone guaranteeing you #1 ranking in the SEs has to be a scam. It is not logical that such a guarantee could be fulfilled. As they say: "Caveat emptor!".

Thanks for the warning on these scam artists.

[ekocdeah]

Is it me or is it really hard to find one legitimate seo company out there that does exactly what it says it does. I have just been reading the threads here and have had a similar experience to these with a company called Position Gold Ltd, they seem to be based in a similar area to this bunch, maybe there related, let me know if anyone out there has had similar experiences with Position Gold Ltd, or if they're related at all and if there is anything we can do to stop this from happening in to anyone else spending hard earned money for nothing :mad:

[asheckter]

It is so interesting to read that previous employers are still up to the same old tricks. Andrew Morris knows full well when he is scamming people put of money, problem is, he has managed to convince himself tha its not a scam.

I had the pleasure for working for him a couple of years ago, what a joke. He had us listening to motivational talks every damn morning to get us geared up to sell on the phone, half of us didnt know what we were doing really, just handed a script and if we get into deep water he will take over. He claimed he could sell/close every call and would give examples of that - except he used an old client database he brought from a previous company.

I personally never knew about any of the credit card shenanigans, and can only now comfortably say that I feel he was scamming people. He is a talker, can worm his way out of anything with fancy words and lies. In Andrews defense, its not just him, all of the senior staff were the same, thinking they were some sort of big business.

I breathed a sigh of relief when i saw this post as i am glad i got out when i did.

Andrew, or whoever poses as an employee of Alex Doyle, feel free to pick apart this post for spelling/grammar/punctuation blah blah blah. You'll never change, always out for the quick buck. Sad.