Alex Doyle Associates

[Kirkburton]

I have been trying to speak to Andrew Morriss for over a week now, when I phone ADA they just tell me he is unavailable. Someone has kindly given me Andrews mobile number but he has now got some goon answering it for him, I keep leaving messages but the jester never rings back.

The man obviously hasn't got a conscience, has no feelings of guilt or remorse.

I can see ADA being very busy in a few months time appearing in court, that's if they bother to turn up to defend themselves.


I too, like Rob Holden find myself £1,398.24p out of pocket, £699.12 for the 'work' they did that produced no results and another £699.12 that they have stolen from my credit card.

Michelle at ADA said that I would be sent details in the post, this was on Tuesday, it is now Friday and nothing has arrived.

[Kirkburton]

I've just worked out the cost of what it has cost me using ADA over a company that knows what they are doing:

UK searches for the 5 keywords optimized by Alex Doyle Associates in August according to Overture.

Mortgages 429,818
Bad Credit Mortgages 10,484
Life Insurance 125,197
Life Insurance Quotes 4,031
Cheap life insurance 2,484
TOTAL 572,014

Giving a click through rate of 2.5%, which we would receive if we were top in Google Adwords on a PPC basis, would give 14,300 people visiting our site. Again, going on percentages from our pay per click advertising on the internet, we would expect 60% of these to ask for a quote, this equals 8,580 leads.

Of these 8580 leads, applying our average conversion rate of 10% we would have written business on 858 leads.

Applying our average sale we earn per lead of £750 to these 858 leads would realise £643,500 income.

Times this by six months = £3,861,000 in lost business by Alex Doyle Associates not delivering to their guarantee.

I am not amused.

[ITC]

It's companies like these that give our industry a bad name and make our job as reputable SEO's much harder.

We have to start out by explaining to people that have been bitten by unscruplous companies that we aren't like that, and actually have clients to prove it, real one's I might add!

[DarrenC]

Has anyone thought about contacting BBC watchdog? For those that are not in the UK it is a show which investigates companies activities, the likes of lastminute.com and other large companies have been investigated and interviewed on the show.

I would get together as a group - make a note of the issues, costs to you, copies of emails, copies of letters and as a group of people contact them. The more of you that you can get together the better.

[CCM]

Yes I have now contacted the following ;

Watchdog
Trading Standards
Which
The Times
Internet Works Magazine

And this is for starters, as telling the facts is not libellous.

Same story different, different person.

Thought I was getting somewhere when I acquired Andrew Morris's home phone number and address and called him up one evening. I am a determined man, with fading patience..........

Following day I got passed on to a director called Patrick Galagher.

I spoke with Patrick last Tuesday (5 Oct 04), he asked me to write down my issues with ADA and he would look at them and get back to me. Stating he was a man of his word and always did what he said he would, I allowed him some time to get back to me.

Following what I assume to be a few delaying tactics, I find myself here on the following Tuesday (12 Oct 04, 16:00gmt) with no reply from Mr Galagher.

[Old Welsh Guy]

If you have his home adddress then I suggest you start there, in person.

I would suggest that you
1) Make a stutory demand for the outstanding amount.
2) go for bankruptcy

Creditors’ Petition

If an individual creditor is owed more than £750, they can petition for the debtor to be made bankrupt. Alternatively, creditors can join together to meet the £750 requirement.

[Kirkburton]

A file for bankruptcy should be done as a joint effort for several reasons, the larger the amount we file for, the more clout we've got.

CCM - Patrick is just another puppet, he may be a so called director but he just comes back with the same old lame, limp and tired excuses for a company that knows it is in the wrong and on the back foot.

In ADA's eyes the customer is always wrong, another mug waiting to be fleeced.

You've picked on the wrong bunch of people this time ADA.

[Old Welsh Guy]

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=alex+doyle+associates :)

[Kirkburton]

They still cant get on the first page for their own site, says it all

[Kirkburton]

Just spoken to Patrick, as expected he is defending ADA. He reckons he is going to post my reports on this forum to show that ADA have got me results...go on then post away Patrick I'm sure we all could do with a laugh. No I'll do it for you

Google 0 results in 7 months
Yahoo 0 reslults in 7 months
MSN 0 results in seven months
Ask Jeeves 0 results in seven months
All other major search engines 0 results in 7 months

The only results you did get were on Jayde (hardy a big name) 3/5 terms at number one and one result on exactseek.

If you call those results Patrick cover me with kippers and call me Shirley

[Kirkburton]

I am interested in hearing from anyone that has had a problem with Alex Doyle Associates either taking money from their credit card without their authority or are refusing to honour their contract, please e-mail me or send me a private message.

[DarrenC]

Why do you not all get together as a group and contact a solicitor? Have your evidence, all communications, documents, extracts' from the website relating to the guarantee and from this forum (and any other forum that his has been discussed in) and seek legal advice.

If there are enough of you with legal complaints against any company then you have an increased chance of winning your case.

If you are not prepared to seek legal advice then in my opinion you can only continue to bring these issues to trading standards and watchdog.

Complaining on a forum is not going to resolve your problems.

Darren :)

[Dominic]

I'm willing to send some shaddows over to ADA's office and off them all, just so we don't see this thread for the next year.

[Kirkburton]

Wheels are in motion, just can't say on here, needless to say the more people we have with a complaint against Alex Doyle Associates the better

[moleskin]

Dear All,

I am new to this forum - but have been reading with increased interest regarding the alex doyle stuff.

I built a website as a favour for someone a while back www.warmtiles.co.uk - this site achieved some very good results in google through pure hard work on my part - making sure that I used all tools correctly and fairly. When typing in Mirror Demisters the site appeared 2nd in Google!!! It now appears less then 30.

Now I haven't worked on the site for a long time but keep an eye on it from time to time to see how things were going. Imagine my surprise when I saw things had actually gotten worse instead of better for the rankings.

When reading the source code on page one I noticed some text which read:
Site optimised by Alex Doyle associates

About half the other code I had written had dissapeared. Now upon doing some basic research into ADA I stumbled across this forum and now it all makes sense.

The chap I built the site for originally is in his 60's he was constantly being phoned by companies asking to optimise his site - why did he need it done he was in the top 10 of google - which I explained on numerous occasions.

What has annoyed me is that I built a mighty fine website with all the code working well to give him very good rankings - then some other company comes along uses my hard work - destroys most of it and makes a lot of good money out of it.

I have now informed the person and am awaiting to see what he has paid them and what he has been promised - so I will keep you all informed at a time when I have more info.

Kind Regards
Karl Moyse
www.white-spacedesign.com

[Kirkburton]

Hi Karl, thanks for this interesting bit of news, I'll be very interested in hearing the rest of the story, as no doubt will all the other regular visitors to this site, when you get the details.

This is not the first site that ADA have ruined the rankings of, and no doubt it won't be the last to come to light.

[ITC]

Same old story then.

[Kirkburton]

I have had a few more people contact me directly over the past few weeks that have not posted on the forum.

ADA appear to have been very active durng the end on 2003 beginning 2004 in attracting more punters, I think we will have a deluge of complaints in the near future when these people are charged again.

[mikemagic]

We asked Alex Doyle to optimise our site well over a year ago now and it didn't work.

Got my company credit card statement today and they have withdrawn funds from our card without my authority.

I wish I had followed up my intention of pursuing them in the small claims court last year (I was too 'busy' to pursue it).

We recently 'inherited' a Company Chairman who is a qualified solicitor. He's going to love getting his teeth into this one!

Mike Armstrong

[Kirkburton]

Hi Mike, sorry to hear about this. I now it is no consolation to you, but I'm sure you will not be the last person to appear on here saying ADA have taken money without authorisation.

Can anyone anywhere come up with a contract from ADA stating that there will be an annual charge for the work they have done?

Alex Doyle Associates are rubbing salt into the wounds by charging annually for shoddy workmanship that does not work, in fact if there is no contract between the parties to say as such it can be called no more than fraud and an abuse of data protection by using peoples credit card details without their knowledge.

[kn0cker]

Nice to see I'm with excellent company 8^)
ADA tried to do some Site optimization over a year ago with no results. This May they tried to take £ 528.00 which was disputed and they have tried again in October. I suggest they are checking the Expiry dates on the credit card information they have and having one last go. My credit card expires end of this month .....Phew!

[Kirkburton]

Come on Patrick or Andrew, I know you read this thread, what have you got to say? Probably nothing as usual .

Alex Doyle Associates are just a bunch of yellow bellied cowards that prey on people that only become wise after they found that that have been lied to and conned out of their money.

Why have the threats to take these sorts of comments to court stopped? Because you know there is so much overwhelming evidence against you that any judge in the land would laugh you out of court. I feel sorry for Lisa, Michelle and Angela who have to field the brunt of the calls from irate customers while Patrick and Andrew hide away pretending to be out of the office so they don't have to deal with the problem.

[DarrenC]

Seriously, have you all not tried to contact the trading standards?

I cannot believe people in your position are not taking this further - if your not doing anything about this company then your just wasting your own time posting on this thread.

[Kirkburton]

I've told trading standards among other bodies that may be interested several weeks ago, and I know several others have as well. If anyone else wishes to contact them, they can do at http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

Remember direct your problem at the Cheshire trading standards, not your local branch.

Other links that may be of use if you have been a victim of Alex Doyle Associates are:

BBC Watchdog
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/

Office of Fair Trading
http://www.oft.gov.uk

Department of Trade and Industry
http://www.dti.gov.uk

If Alex Doyle Associates have taken money from your credit card without your authority please contact your card issuer immediately and report ADA to the Data Protection information commissioner for abuse of data, and also the police for fraud/theft.

http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/eventual.aspx?id=32

If anyone has not been happy with the results that they have had from the 'optimisation' service (e.g. no results) provided by ADA, then you can sue them in the small claims court for shoddy workmanship, undue care & attention and care of duty to perform the task with which they took money in advance to provide.

You can now do this online at the link below

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp

[Rob Holden]

Hi All,
AS previously stated, when ADA added code/alterations to my site I was completely removed from Google search engine listings.
A while ago (over 6 months with ADA code/alterations to my site) I said enough is enough, I removed all ADA code/alterations out of my site:

Sunbeds Iso Italia
www.iso-italia.co.uk (http://www.iso-italia.co.uk/)

I put all new code in my site and now we are back on Google, our rankings are shooting up.
Good riddance ADA
My small claims court proceedings against ADA is still ongoing.
Rob

[peterjohnston917]

www.i-ac.co.uk

[DarrenC]

Write to Computeractive www.computeractive.co.uk

[Rob Holden]

Has any other ADA victims deleted ADA code from a web site and noticed web rankings go up...immediately?

[jeff]

Alex Doyle Associates has just debited my credit card (personal not company) , it took 8 months to gian a full refund and as they paid us the refund they redebited my card for the full amount, after reading other reviews it seems i am not alone.

[albereto]

If they have debited your personal credit card it should be easier to get your money back under consumer protection rights.

[Dominic]

OK I think the point about this company has been made. This category could do with a break from Alex Doyle... IMO

[Kirkburton]

Dominic...the thread is about Alex Doyle Associates, what else are we supposed to discuss? Maybe if you had been a victim of this bunch you would be greatful for the information contained in this thread.

I would hope that anyone with a problem with ADA will continue to add their stories just so the full picture of what this company is and has been doing is in the public domain to hopefully reduce the chances of anyone else being ripped off.

[Skippy]

I have just spent two hours reading the above information on Alex Doyle. I am currently with alex doyle and have been for around 4 months. This is the first time i have seen this thread and to be honest im very worried about the money i have spent with this company. So far i have received no top listings that i was promised would be achieved in 8-12 weeks. Now is around the time i should be seeing some results but after seeing this i realise that may never happen. I must admit when i first went with this company i was sceptical but it is only now that i have researched the company properly which is why i found this thread. I have also been charged twice and have now cancelled my cards. The other thing i found when i was checking if i had foolishly thrown my money away, was a number of different companies on companies house, all registered to the same address all employing the alex doyle name. Here take a look

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/a23ebf93e2aeb7788f5b1bfc1ef1cbd7//companysearch?disp=res&frfsh=1100699832#result

After speaking to a friend in the finance sector and explaining this forum. He said it looks like they are going bankrupt closing down and setting up again. He also said they are basically stealing money if they keep taking it from peoples cards once they go under they wont be responsible for paying it back. I know i have now cancelled my card and issued proceedings. I have also contacted trading standards etc. I suggest that people who paid on credit card to alex doyle should cancel it before your too late like some of us.

Anyway sorry for everyone else who has had dealings with this company hopefully this thread will stop people signing up in the future. I only wish i had seen it.

[Kirkburton]

The address these Alex Doyle companies are registered to is the home address of one of the directors, Andrew Morriss

[digitalpoint]

Alex Doyle Associates has a very short term memory it seems...

3 months ago they threatened to sue Digital Point Solutions if this thread wasn't terminated:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=21630#post21630

And now the same guy sends this today... :)
As a result of this Forum, and thread, our Business is being damaged by
the contributors that you allow to post scurrilous remarks that are
without foundation.

If this Forum is not terminated within 7 Days, we will commence legal
action against you for permitting these activities to continue, and seek
to take legal action against individual contributors.

I look forward to hearing from you.
Our response:
Please read the FAQ/Rules of the forum... Specificly the policy on people requesting other people's posts be deleted or edited:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/faq.php?faq=policies

You can find our contact info for your legal action at:

http://www.digitalpoint.com/info.html

[Kirkburton]

John Worsencroft's favourite word is scurillous, he used it over the phone to me several times.

According to the Cambridge online dictionary the description of this word is:

expressing unfair or false criticism which is likely to damage someone's reputation.

Firstly, and I can only speak for myself here, I have never given any false criticism of ADA, it is all true. The only people damaging Alex Doyle Associates reputation is themselves by not delivering what they promise to their 'clients'. The fact is that there are over 20 people that I know that have had problems with ADA either failing to deliver their promises or taking money from them without authorisation...and in quite a few instances both.

Whether any of this criticism can be deemed unfair depends on which side of the fence you sit. If it is unfair to let any potential 'clients' of ADA know about how ADA treat their current 'clients' then I think it is only fair that they are informed. Knowledge is power, ignorance is bliss...and thats how ADA like it.

So where are the false and unfair accusations here John? There are none.

ADA have not done themselves any favours. Any other company would try to get the customer service right even if all else failed, unfortunately the main reason that so many people have a problem with ADA is because cannot see that they have a problem. Many of the problems could have been resolved, but ADA have chosen not to do this, no wonder people get upset and rightly want to tell others of the poor service they have received.

Maybe you are not fully aware of the situation yourself John as you have only been a Director of ADA since September, everyone that is complaining has been a customer of ADA since before you were there.

[jeff]

I have never spoken to John Worsencroft (out of office, on holiday etc etc) I have spoken to the other two Directors - even been promised a call back by one of them- surprise when i chased him up "i ve been to busy today to look into why we debited your credit card twice (had to cancel credit card) i will call you tommorrow etc etc.
The best one was being told to call customer services by one of the Directors - i did have to laugh down the phone at him,customer services had already told me i would be put at the bottom of the pile for ringing up and asking for a refund and wasting the staff's time (Lisa office manager)and that my case had been reveiwed the day before and no refund would be made.
Our web site never moved "up the ranks", but we were given some great excuses - 8 months worth of excuses about why they could not perform, we even got a refund at one stage , but as we had apparently "left your work on site" were redebited.
This seems strange as we had supplied AlexDoyle Associates with all of the information, passwords etc to do the neccesary work but at every stage it was thrown back to us that it was our fault that nothing was happening - funny that we're no good at websites so we employed a professional ( sorry just started chuckling to myself again ) company to perform this service for us.In the end we just reloaded our original web site.
I just wish that in my business i could offer a poor service,non existent after sales service,IGNORE CUSTOMERS GENUINE CONCERNS and get paid twice for it and then also have the cheek to complain that everything was unfair THAT WAS BEING WRITTEN ABOUT THEM.

[Rob Holden]

Dear John Worsencroft, ADA.

I looked forward to hearing from you/ADA regarding the unauthorized payments you took from my credit card, you never replied, only to say “I would not be refunded the money”.

Alex Doyle Associates did not reply to the small claims court proceedings I entered against the company. As a result, ALEX DOYLE ASSOCIATES now has a CCJ recorded AGAINST the COMPANY.

LONG LIVE DIGITAL FORUM.



Rob Holden

www.iso-italia.co.uk (http://www.iso-italia.co.uk/)

[SEO COWBOYS ASSOCIATES]

I can't tell you how much this forum cheers me up, I hope that ADA lose all of there potential and existing customers due to this forum. I wish I had bothered to do a search for them after one of there 'experts' gave me a ring (It is so hard for me not to type 'idiots' instead of 'experts').

If anyone from ADA reads this I hope you realize how much I despise you and your company, I have spoken to a lot of people at ADA and not once have I ever spoken to anyone who sounds like they have got a clue how to optimize websites, how to treat customers or even how to string a sentence together for most of them (I won't mention any names...Andrew, Lisa, Michelle, Gary).

You are a nasty and immoral company who doesn't give a damn about people like me, you only care about defrauding money out of innocent people. As long as you realize that people, who have lost money like me, will not go away, we will keep issuing claims through courts and credit card companies until you are stopped trading for good. Believe me we have lots of information about ADA: lists of other companies registered, home addresses, home numbers and we will do anything that we feel you deserve.

Of course this is all my opinion and in know way should any of the above statements be taken as threats, I just intend to pursue every avenue possible as a consumer with rights that I am allowed too.

James

P.S I am already known to all you Boys and Girls in the 'ADA Lobby Group', I just don't want to disclose my personal details incase of harassment from ADA.

[jeff]

I dont know much about computers or this interweby thing - and until very recently didnt have a clue what seo stood for, an interesting link i discovered is ; http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/seo.html
Its a link to Google which explains what seo's cannot do with Google.

ADA really should have a look at this.

P.S Alex Doyle Associates - i still have not been contacted about my refund ??

[Kirkburton]

I have contacted Alex Doyle Associated three times since the beginning of October asking that they destroy all record of my credit card details and ask that they put this in writing to say that it has been done.

I spoke to Lisa on the phone over two weeks ago and she said that John Worsencroft was writing to me, I have not heard anything from them, and to be honest I don't expect to.

I have got back the money that Alex Doyle Associates stole from my credit card without my authorisation even though they said that they wouldn't refund my money, thankfully my credit card issuer saw it for the theft that it was and I have happily agreed them to forward all the correspondence I have between myself and ADA to the police for further investigation.

At least this is now in the public domain and any attempt by Alex Doyle Associates to take anymore of my money against my wishes has been registered on this date. Not that they have any reason for wanting to take any more, my website is now completely free of any ADA code and funnily enough rising up the organic web results.

I do not think I have ever dealt with a company that is so inept. I should really thank Alex Doyle Associates for teaching me a valuable lesson so early on in business...not to buy anything from a telephone salesman.

[Kirkburton]

Amazing, the morning after my last post I've received an e-mail from Lisa saying my credit card details have been destroyed and she assures me that no monies will be debited ever again.

[ITC]

I am shocked and saddened to see this is still going on.

When we commented on this in the early days after being contacted by IAC we thought they would have been shut down by now.

IAC came to us to simply ask about some of our seo methods and I think was not suprised to hear how different they were from ADA's (considering he had no results from them, and worse lost places!).

It does sound bad though, almost every one of you is complaining about your card being debited twice for the same work - that sounds like a company going bust.

They were worried at the beginning because of this forum as they even rang us to lean on us threatening us with legal action for posting on here!!!!

Our original post said we would let anyone know for free what are good methods and bad methods of seo, just in case you are worried another seo company aren't doing/can't do what they claim.

I think thats all be proven now so you dont need us to say what they are doing is right, I just wish you all the best of luck in shutting these cowboys down, they give the professional seo industry a shocking name. :eek:

[jeff]

ADA update - I have been promised a mystery "email" from Patrick Gallagher of ADA - anyway i have chased again for the email (can't explain over the phone wait till you get the email but why do you presume you will be getting a refund from your credit card that we have debited) still not received, an internet based company who cannot send emails (said his computer was blocked up) a bit like a pub without beer; but to give you all a great laugh - Patrick informs me he knows Bill Gates personally - i asked him whether he plays golf with him and George Bush - Patricks reply - "Bill Gates does not play golf".
Dear Patrick type in Google (thats a search engine by the way) Bill, Gates, Golf, - Source Microsoft web site "Gates is an avid reader and enjoys playing golf and bridge".Maybe he meant a different Bill Gates in the computer industry??

[Kirkburton]

It's not the first time they have used the excuse of the e-mail not working, you think they would cater for such an event by having something like a hotmail account, I'm sure Bill Gates could show them how to log onto the internet and use it.

[webvivre]

For all members who are having problems with Alex Doyle - please contact Enquiries at the Office of Fair Trading on 0845 224499.

They need more evidence to take action against Alex Doyle Associates.
Please send all correspondence to:
enquiries@oft.gsi.gov.uk

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

The number is 08457 22 44 99

[webvivre]

Email from Alex Doyle.....

This is to inform you that we have ceased trading due to adverse economic and market conditions.

It is with great regret that this situation has arisen, and we wish to inform you that we will be unable to meet any creditor payments, or provide any refunds, as there are insufficient funds to meet our business needs. May I take this opportunity to wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year.

[Kirkburton]

Just received this myself....they are still answering the phones though...but as Alex Doyle Media....Same wolf, different sheeps clothing.

Just noticed that their website has gone as well.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

I have just spoken to Companies House who inform me that ADA have NOT filed for liquidation or to go in to administration, therefore they cannot simply say they are not going to pay any outstanding creditors.

I have also just spoken to a nice lady at Tameside Trading Standards, who are the office who cover ADA area (not Cheshire), she would like everybody to ring her on: 0161 342 8355 quoting ref: 040322FAIRTR and tell her why you think ADA are bunch of fraudulent scumbags.

[mailorder]

We have received the letter as well.

We are currently tying to get £1200 refunded taken in Nov 2003

We are now trying to get £1200 "renewal" refunded.

There has to be a case for wrongful trading here as we have asked for but not been given any liquidators details, they are answering the phone alex doyle and alex doyle media when they remember.

Surely they cannot think sorry we have wound up and do not have any money have a nice Christmas is going to work!

Blatent theft

[Kirkburton]

Hi Mailorder

I'm sure you will not be the only new face we see on here in the next few days. Have you tried getting your money back by means of a chargeback from your card supplier, a few of us have has success, especially as they are lying as usual and they haven't ceased trading at all.

The company name Alex Doyle Associates is registered at the Home adress of Andrew Morris, as is Doyle Media, there is enough of a connection there that this is just a change of trading name rather than a cessation of business.

[mailorder]

Hi


We were unable to get the first payment back as it was over 120 days before I realised we had been stiffed.
Second payment who knows! I have a feeling we will have agreed to a subcription payment in which case which case it will be tough as although they did not have our new cards expiry date they were still able to debit the £1200.

My advise to anyone who has dealt with them is get a new card with a new number issued.

I am more interested in getting them shut down now as they are taking the p*** with this letter.

Have rang them again and all the directors are in meetings, with their lawyers I should think as they are clearly in it up to their necks, I have just spoken to trading standards and their reaction "not another one"

[Kirkburton]

Did their 'optimisation' work for you?

If not I suggest you get their code off your site soon as there have been a few of us that have seen our search engine position improve by taking it out.

I would also check your contract to see if it mentions an annual charge

[mailorder]

We never used their 'optimisation' it was so flawed our guys would not use it but communication with these people is so difficult the months fly by.

Their sratagy is to make contact with any decision maker as difficult as possible and people get fed up, just as we did with the first charge. It took the second charge to wake everything up again.

[Old Welsh Guy]

Ok they have broken laws clearly, you need to contact the police, as well as trading standards. you MUST make as many complaints to the police as possible so they are force to take action.

They have broken all sorts of laws, obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception, trading while insolvent etc. Taking money from your account without authorisation is theft, plain and simple.

Trading standards are ok, but you will get nothing from it. GET ON TO THE POLICE if you think there has been a crime commited

[T0PS3O]

Itchy fingers... Can't resist...

https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp

Speeds up the process of the whole small claims court / county court sueing business. Will cost you 40-80 quid depending on what they stole off you but it's worth it. ( Tel : 0845-601 5935 for more info) Two working days after filing your claim and they will have been officially notified of your claim. The more 'officials' know about this, the better. And yes, definitely police in their and your area.

[Kirkburton]

But who would you file it against? Alex Doyle Associates have allegedly ceased trading. Besides it wouldn't bother them because they have at least one County Court Judgement against them that I know of.

Possibly better to register it against Alex Doyle Associates at the address where the company is registered, which is Andrew morris's home address

35 Lord Street
Dukinfield
Cheshire
SK16 5JP

At least then a charge will be made against the property and couldn't be sold without the debt being paid off.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

I have just spoken to LloydsTSB who are handling my claim against ADA, after telling him about ADA claiming to have ceased trading he was quite confident that Mastercard and Visa would be able to get the money off ADA because they have broken there 12 month contract.

I, like everyone else, signed a contract which said that ADA would optimize and promote my site for a 12 month period; but because Andrew Morris as spend the money he stole off us on Ladybird 'Learn to Read' for ages 5-7, he has had to cease trading, therefore they have not met the terms of the contract and they are not entitled to our money.

I advise everyone to send a copy of the "our business has gone bust" cease of trading letter to you credit card company.

Thank You
James

[Kirkburton]

Good one James

[mailorder]

Alex Doyle Associates registered address is 18-20 stamford street stalybridge as per companies house.

Just had very heated conversation with Andrew Morris on his mobile, has a very "do what you like you can not touch me" attitude "I know longer work for "alex Dole Accotiates" I work for "Alex Doyle Media".

He was kind enough to offer me a "FREE" 12 months website promotion da de dah. :eek:

I tried to explain that it would not be free it would cost us £2500 he could not see it that way.

Wish me happy xmas again, smug ******

[T0PS3O]

http://www.villanet.co.uk/

Great SEO! (Scroll down a bit)

Their own site is 'live' as well :) http://www.alexdoyleassociates.co.uk/

If you want to find out more about who's who: http://www.ukdata.com/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=04387403

An individual owns the domain: http://195.66.240.211/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=alexdoyle.co.uk

A fan's website: http://alex-doyle-associates.blogspot.com/

[Kirkburton]

And I have just purchased the domain names earlier today

alexdoylemedia.co.uk
alexdoylemedia.com
doylemedia.co.uk

now what shall i do with them?

You would have thought that a company that is all about SEO and web site design would have purchased the domain name for their company...what a shocking oversight.

How much are you willing to pay for them Andrew/ Paddy/John?

[T0PS3O]

And I have just purchased the domain names earlier today

Well done!

Forward (301) them to this thread until you know what to do. Then we'll SEO it together to make it #1 (which we can :p ) for all relevant KWs and then add all evidence on it. And monitor how the ship is going down.

[debunked]

put links to this thread so others can see what has transpired

[mailorder]

I have already asked about David Kerr, he is a EX director. But can you believe anything that Alex Doyle say?


By the way, I have been warned of legal action if I slag of Alex Doyle Media as they have nothing what's so ever to do with Alex Doyle Associates other than some of the same directors (andrew Morris at least) some of the same employees (angela and lisa) and a "this number has changed to 0161 3514740" when dialling the old number of 0161 303 8956 oh and the both have Alex Doyle in the name.

If they did not want not to be confused with Alex Doyle Associates you would have thought they would have come up with another name.

He is also confident that the new Alex Doyle website will rank no 1 in google for the name Alex Doyle Media - I hope this thread prevents that!

[Kirkburton]

Would help if he had the alexdoylemedia.co.uk or .com domain name then!

Oh, and they both trade from the same address and their e-mail addresses are the same, they are working from the Alex Doyle Associates database.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

I have just tried phoning ADA to speak to Andrew, guess what....."I'm sorry he's just popped out of the office". It is the same old excuses by the SAME old company. I asked Lisa a few questions about the new company, like have you just put media at the end and got rid of associates? No (she slurred) it is a completly new company!

Any ADM employees / accessories to fraud reading this please reply to any of us with a list of 5 things which are different from Alex Doyle Associates, I'll give you the first one to start you off.


1. Media instead of Associates (he he he...everyone will think we are a new company)
2.
3.
4.
5.

[T0PS3O]

1. Media instead of Associates (he he he...everyone will think we are a new company)
2. Improved rankings! (Instead of getting banned we will get you at least IN the index this time)
3.
4.
5.

[Kirkburton]

1. Media instead of Associates (he he he...everyone will think we are a new company)
2. Improved rankings! (Instead of getting banned we will get you at least IN the index this time)
3. A customer service adviser that understands what the term 'search engine optimisation' means
4.
5.

[Kirkburton]

I have found a great example of Alex Doyle Associates work....it is well optimised and makes it onto the first page of Google for a search of Alex Doyle Associates, what a fantastic advert

http://www.villanet.co.uk/villanet.co.uk_welc.htm


While I'm here if you go to http://alexdoylemedia.co.uk it takes you to the first page of this thread

[jeff]

Why not set up your own SEO company using the domain names you have just purchased ? lets help them lose traffic as we all know what that feels like - just redirect it to a dead end.... talking of dead ends...........
If anyone has read Patrick Gallachers C.V (its online and well worth a laugh)
CURRICULUM VITAE
Name: Patrick Gallagher
Date of Birth: 10 February 1957
Nationality: British
Address: 83 Louisa Street, Manchester, M11 1AD

Telephone: 0161.220..9398 mob: 0775.407.0439

PERSONAL PROFILE:
An experienced, highly qualified, analytical Manager with National, and International experience, who would like to use and develop his skills within an Organization, and measurably, improve the performance of the Organization, Processes and People.

Entrepreneurial:
Started and set up more than 50 different Companies in a wide range of Business Sectors including Manufacturing, Retail, Computers, Services, E-Commerce (Web/Internet/ Intranet related), in U.K., Spain, Italy, Greece, India, U.S.A. Delivered Training in Wines and Spirits in the CWS, UK. Responsible for generating New Business
.
Well Paddy if youve set up 50 companies you would have thought the law of averages would have let you succeed once - you only needed 1 out of 50 (thats 2% by the way Paddy) maybe youve always been unlucky or had itchy feet for new pastures- but hey ho youve got another great opportunity here there's a new company just been formed - and presuming that you are involved in this one,lets watch and see how long this one lasts.Ladies and gentlemen please place your bets now.

[Kirkburton]

Wouldn't take much of an effort to measurably improve the performance, having one happy client would be a start

[jeff]

Well now ive read Paddys c.v. and seen how marvelous and talented he is - how comes the bloke can't work out how to send emails ?? im still awaiting mine - its has taken him 2 weeks so far - Patrick at 47 and 3/4 is obvioulsly still developing.
And i wonder if he's still got chalk dust on his shoulders and patches on his elbows (being a professor and all that).
I also wonder what magnificent career opportunity stopped him globe trotting and led him to relocate in Manchester the centre of the SEO universe, anyway paddy you can also add to your C.V failure in email.

[Kirkburton]

Hang on Jeff, Paddy still hasn't mastered how to send a normal letter yet, so probably hasn't quite grasped how to use the alphabet and form words. I've been waiting for a letter for over a month so I would hold your breath. Hope he hasn't told Andrew and John about his trading in Wines and Spirits otherwise they'll be wanting some cases for the AA christmas party.

[jeff]

Paddy's very good at apologising though (years of practice no doubt) just not very good at rectifying his mistakes.
As for trading in wines and spirits does a bottle of thunderbird count as a fine wine??
Maybe he could show Andrew and John the label - they could practice reading together.

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

Why are you attacking a member of my in this way?. Who has a heart condition.

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

That would make the whole of Ireland
Paddy's correct?

Shawn you allow racism on your forums, disclosure of personal information and discrimination against people who have heart conditions.

What r u playing @ man?

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

Funny part is when you issued a request for password change. I received this in the MSN trash bin. Ironic really

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

If my brothers health deteriorates through this forum. You are held accountable.

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

Your forum allows for slagging matches between customers and companies. This is wrong you are not f*****g Oprah Winfrey, Shawn

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

I want to know all the names and addresses of those of have divulged information about Patricks locale and personal details, immediately!!

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

I am waiting for your reply SHAWN

[Kirkburton]

Montecrows

If you want an example of Alex Doyle Associates work go to http://www.villanet.co.uk/villanet.co.uk_welc.htm

this Alex Doyle Associates is based in Stalybridge Cheshire, not Canada and is nothing to do with Doyle Media that are based over the pond.

I see someone has let the lunatic out of the assylum

Hey Angry, all this information is in the public domain if you go looking for it, tough, if Paddy has got a heart condition I suggest he get a less stressful job, or at least had checked out the bunch of wasters he decided to become a director of.

The people at ADA know who we are, if they wanted to avoid all this unpleasantness they should have done something to avert it like treating their customers with respect and a bit of courtesy

Nurse, where are the men in the white coats?

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

Kirkfucko

So this means you wanna murder my brother right?

[jeff]

Dear Angry Member Of Family - now you know what its like to be left waiting for a reply - maybe if you call shawn he''ll evaporate into a meeting or better yet promise you an email that will never turn up.ahhh Merry Xmas to you Mr Angry.

[Kirkburton]

Monte

I suggest you look elsewhere, this thread is about Alex Doyle Associates, not Search engine optimisation companies

[Kirkburton]

Angry, i couldn not care less what happens to your brother, he has bought all this upon himself....shame you have to lower the tone and resort to swearing, but i suppose this shows the level of your intelligence.

If your brother was as forthcoming as you them maybe there wouldn't be such a problem...anyway why isn't the monkey morris dealing with things if Paddy can't hack it

[jeff]

I like the way that Angry Member Of Family likes to hide his ID - i wonder what company he works for and who he really is? nice angle on the health aspect though - generate a bit of sympathy for Patrick, anyway Angry nice try but Patrick seemed heartless enough when my credit card was debited twice.

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

Your are having a go at ADA, Jeff not me I am joe public! who is very worried about his brother. It's human, how would you feel?

[AngryMemberOfFamily]

So let me get this right. This site allows for companies to attack families of other companies online!

[Kirkburton]

AngryMemberof Family...it is patently obvious that you are either, Andrew Morris, Patrick Gallagher or John Worsencroft. Why hide your identity otherwise if you've got nothing to hide?

If I wanted to attack anyone I would have done it by now, but ADA are not worth serving time over

[jeff]

Nope your not Joe Public - that would be us the mugs who have lost money to your purported brothers company, you are some man or woman hiding their identity in this forum - and talking rubbish - whats your email addy for starters - who are you etc otherwise my guess is your Christian name begins with an A.
Anyway if my brother was Patrick Gallagher id feel let down and disapointed but thats presuming he treats you like he has me and the others here.

[jeff]

Shawn tracked your IP last time hope youve remembered to use a different computer this time Mr Angry - p.s if you are a true blood relation you wont have lol.

[Kirkburton]

If Paddy Gallagher was my brother i'd disown him

[jeff]

If you were PatRICK Gallagher's brother you wouldnt be able to get into this forum (cant use emails) anyway i thought pondlife and amoeba simply subdivided into another simple cell structure? so isnt the word brother implying more of a relationship than exists?

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello Angry (scary name!),

First let me start by saying that I am not personally attacking Paddy, I have never spoken to him (because he doesn't return my calls).

My problem is with ADA, ADM, ARSE whatever they are calling themselves, that company has conned me and many others out of thousands of pounds.

Why are you trying to make us all feel sympathy for your 'brother', what have I ever personally done to him? Nothing, certainly never stole money from him.

ADA are the most immoral company I have ever dealt with, so why should we show morality towards them? Don't worry, I have morals, we all have morals in this forum, that is why we would all be desperately sad if we had unhappy customers, I would do everything possible to sort the situation out.

If your 'brother' is now the director of ADM then I now have a problem with him, I am now one of his customers, a customer who will get his money back...you wait and see!

Maybe it is vengeance why your 'brother' has problems! Maybe he should change his ways! I know I couldn't live with myself If I had done the things he has.

Thank You
James

[Rob Holden]

I am a ADA victim just like most people on this forum, £699.12 x2 = £1398.24 taken from my debit card, Plus small claims court cost that I encountered trying to take ADA to court. ADA never put their defence in writing to the courts, ADA would not go to Court to try and defend their case, CCJ is now recorded against ADA. The CCJ can only be satisfied if ADA pay back all the money debited from my bank plus the court cost.

As to someone being ill, what about all the stress sleepless nights all the ADA victims have had, plus we have to work more/longer hours to try and earn the money back ADA took from us. My Family do not see me much as I am working extremely long hours to earn the money back that ADA took without permission from my debit card.

SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ALL THIS:
Alex Doyle Associates returns all the money taken from all the individuals, problem solved.

Obviously ADA should then take lots of lessons in SEO before trading again.


I received a letter from ADA quoting, ADA has ceased trading, I see different, I hear different, I phoned your company today, you answered the phone, You are still trading. ADA just do not know when to stop telling lies, obviously a company that can be trusted..NOT.

Rob
www.iso-italia.co.uk (http://www.iso-italia.co.uk/)

[peterjohnston917]

Although i am one of the luck one's who get his money back... after nearly a year from my Credit Card Company.... I agree with and support all the other members of this Group. In order for them to get fair and just treatment from ADA.....

[peterjohnston917]

This a Link to a Website for the Support Group of ADA Customers....

http://www.freewebs.com/ada-support/index.htm

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, Patrick and John, here is an offer

I own three domain names that you might like for your new business Alex Doyle Media
alexdoylemedia.co.uk
alexdoylemedia.com
doylemedia.co.uk

I will give you all three if you pay back everyone that has been in this forum demanding their money back, for both bad workmanship and money that has been taken without authorisation from their debit/credit cards.

At the moment one of these domain names is pointing to the start of this thread, the other two have contact numbers to help people that have been taken for a ride by your previous incarnation Alex Doyle Associates.

[SEbasic]

I own three domain names that you might like for your new business Alex Doyle Media
alexdoylemedia.co.uk
alexdoylemedia.com
doylemedia.co.ukHahahaha!!!

Funny stuff.

[peterjohnston917]

:) Nice one..... Kirkburton.... nice use of a re-direct....about like the other link to this thread from other websites.....

:mad: Could only be bad news for ADA....

Still who is the one that started the "smoking gun" ... in the first place :rolleyes:

[Rob Holden]

SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ALL THIS:

Alex Doyle Associates returns all the money taken from all the individuals, problem solved.

I wait for the reply from the concerned family member of ADA?????????

Rob
www.iso-italia.co.uk (http://www.iso-italia.co.uk)

[Kirkburton]

Monte, I can't speak for all in here, but i woudn't trust any SEO company unless I had concrete proof of past results and a track record that I could verify. Untill then I'm doing all SEO work myself. Give my regards to the Renaissance Health Care Network

[T0PS3O]

Hmm, that was quite a wierd way to react to my request,...

You basically hijacked the thread (is the term). It's a lot better to start a new thread for that so other people can find the answers too. Your query also takes the focus off the current topic. Yes, it's related but definitely needs its own thread. And if you search the forum, you'll find a thread called 'First Page Guaranteed' where you will find most of your answers already without asking. After that, please start a new thread if necessary.

And... Welcome to the forums!

[SEbasic]

Monte, I can't speak for all in here, but i woudn't trust any SEO company unless I had concrete proof of past results and a track record that I could verify. Untill then I'm doing all SEO work myself. Give my regards to the Renaissance Health Care NetworkThere are some SEO's who actually do good work.

I'm sure you are aware of this, I just don't like to be bundled in with ADA/ADM.


My total intention here is to inquire what has this SEO actually promised all of you, what were the websites that faced these problems, what are the problems or issues to look for as an advice for me when selecting my SEO firm, which SEO firm do you guys suggest, I am a member of the business community and will be a client soon to of some abc SEO company, shouldn't I recieve some decent advice from the people of the business community posting here so that I too can be free of SEO's like this one here that everyone is so angry with? Didn't these guys sign a proper legal contract in the beginning with you people? What are the bindings of that? Surely I don't know the English Laws but definitely might be more or less like US?Welcome to the forum!

My suggestion, would be to start a thread in the forum, asking whether anyone knows of any good SEO firms.
I would go on recommendations of firms, rather than be given advice as to who aren't good (If you get what I mean).
That will probabally give you a better understanding of what you should do.

:)

[Kirkburton]

Monte - I don't profess to know what does and doesn't work, i'm not an SEO guy, I'm a businessman like you. There are plenty of websites out there that do offer good advice. Like the other guys said, it would be best to start a new thread or continue another one like http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=338
rather than take the focus off the main issue of this thread, which is Alex Doyle Associates.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

Andrew phoned me earlier on to offer me 12 months free service, this man has not only not got any morals he has not got any sense either. I told him where to stick his offer.

There was someone else constantly telling Andrew what to say whilst on the phone, very annoying and unprofessional. Anyway Andrew spent about 15 mins trying to convince me that he is not a fraudster (bollocks), ADA had 370 customers (come on Andrew) , the new company is nothing to do with the old one (only the name has changed), Patrick is very ill (I'm sure I've paid for his private health care!), the new company only bought the customer details and hasn't taken on the old customers (data protection act), if I take the new contract he will make sure I am ranked first (he just can't stop with the false promises).

A couple of interesting points which I'm sure someone on here will be able to disprove.

1. Claims to have had 370 customers with ADA
2. He is only employed by ADM, not set-up by him
3. All of the old employees have been made redundant
4. Claims to have top placement for search terms such as 'free calls'
5. Have we got him scared? Will he be scared when my solicitor issues proceedings this week?
6. Claims to have launched there new website this afternoon (where is it?)

Good work everybody, I think we are starting to make progress, my card company are very optimistic that they can get the money back because of breech of contract and my solicitor is confident on firstly fraud, saying they have ceased trading when nothing has been filed with companies house, and secondly a claim against Andrew personally that he intentionally defrauded companies out of this money with the intention of closing the business and re-starting with a new name.

Andrew, if you are so confident that this company will not go down the pisser, why do you hide behind the limited liability of a ltd company why not trade as an unlimited company?

Thank You
James

[Kirkburton]

James, I've got some comment on the points you raise. When I rang Alex Doyle Media the other day Lisa answered the phone, she didn't know it was me because I put the phone down. ADA may have made all the staff redundant and then made them reapply for jobs withn with Alex Doyle Media, this is a common practice, it happened at a firm I once worked for. It is only conjecture what they did or didn't do unless we saw a contract of employment...but then they probably don't believe in them either.

If ADA had 370 customers, at least 25 that I know of have had problems, that is about 8% of their customers that have complained about ADA (it may well be more), if that were to happen in my business we would be closed down. It is a shocking admission of their ineptitude.

If ADM hasn't taken on the old cutomers, why are they offering 12 months free service to all the old customers that have a problem? Do they think they are all so gullible that they would fall for the same trick again? What happens when the 12 months are up with no results, he gets to charge you again for having the code on your page hoping that in the meantime you would have forgotten about it, or ceased trading under the name Alex Doyle Media and changed it to Alex Doyle Pisstakers Inc. while waddling down to the bank with another shedload of punters dosh.

If Andrew Morris is a director of ADM/ADA, he registered the company name Alex Doyle Media months ago, proving that the move to close ADA down was pre-ordained. He is the one that is ultimately responsible for systematically ripping of their 'customers'

If Patrick is ill I'm sure alot of it was bought on by the stress of not having a control over his company. If ADA had been getting the results they promised they would have had a happy bunch of clients that would have recommended them to others and help the business flourish and grow. If ADA/ did not have the staff capable of doing the job they were employed to do they should have sacked them and got someone in that was capable. This just reinforces the incompetence of the directors and their inability to run a business of any sort. This is basic management stuff guys.

What website is he saying they have got top placement for and on what search engine, probably some obscure one that no one uses. Give us a URL Andrew so we can contact your one happy customer and check that it's not just another pack of lies. I heard this story before Andrew when I signed up with you. Unfortunately the two examples that I was given at the time turned out to get ripped off as well a few months down the line.

One thing that might be nice is just a public apology, hold your hands up and say, yeah sorry, we screwed up. Or are you too proud to admit when you fail?

[jeff]

I remember Lisa telling me one day that one of the "Directors" of ADA was working in London this other week - i wonder what SE12's email is ??? probably just a coincidence them being in the ADA forum, hiding their identity.

[jeff]

Anyway - anybody got some good web addresses for sale? something with Media.co.uk, in it would be good i think lol.

[Kirkburton]

I've got three of the buggers, but no takers as yet..lol

alexdoylemedia.co.uk
alexdoylemedia.com
doylemedia.co.uk

over 100 hits so far in the first two days, could be good little earners!

Now hands up who has been contacted by Alex Doyle Media offering them 12 months free, blah-di-blah

[peterjohnston917]

Well we we have to see if there are any offers.... for the website addresses.....got to be worth a few bob to them :) dont think that they can now afford our prices..... ;)

[Kirkburton]

Webvivre, I'm in total agreement with you, unfortunately, I get the feeling our little friend will be back at some point.

Alex Doyle Associates say they ceased trading to to adverse trading conditions, etc and have now started up the same day as Alex Doyle Media. They said they would be unable to meet any creditor payments or refunds etc. They have managed to afford the money to start up a new business, and the associated costs, stationery, etc (has anyone seen any Alex Doyle Media Stationery yet?).

Furthermore, with no income, they are offering people they have screwed out of money under the name of Alex Doyle Associates free website promotion for 12 months. Something doesn't add up.

[peterjohnston917]

Hi ya all... Having just gone back the start of this thread.... and guess what....Doyle Media pop up..... now i am just wondering is this the old or the new company that has just set up .... :cool: :rolleyes:

:confused:

HHHMMMMMMMMM:

Matchbox models were on your case studies page. I have spoken to him, says he's never heard of ITC, all of a sudden the Matchbox models example is deleted from the case studies page.


Wierd???

Don't you think?

Or have ADM... doyle media... being planned months ago.... :confused: :

[mailorder]

Has any one had any contact with administrators/liquidators at all.

I was told by Andrew Morris that we will here from them in "due coarse" but he was unable tell me if that had a time scale.


Thanks

[Kirkburton]

Now call me cynical but the following four companies have been set up on the following dates.

2nd November 2004
Alex Doyle.com Limited
Alex Doyle Consulting Limited
Alex Doyle Solutions Limited

3rd November 2004
Alex Doyle Marketing Limited

All four companies have been registered at

Minshull House
67 Wellington Road North
Stockport
Cheshire
SK4 2LP

Minshull House is the home of Online company services who have "everything you need to order a limited company formation". Their website is at http://www.onlinecompanyservices.co.uk/. I have written to these people to register my disgust that they do not do background checks into con artists like Andrew Morris.

By the way, Alex Doyle Associates was registered on 5/2/2002 and Alex Doyle Media on the 2/7/2004, which pretty much shows that this whole thing was a pre-ordained scam which looks set to continue.

Any comments to this news anyone?

[webvivre]

From my conversations with Trading Standards, they are getting away with it because it is a business to business transaction and not business to consumer. If enough complain to Office of Fair Trading then collective action will be taken.

Otherwise, it is left to the individual company to take action via the Small Claims Court.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Has anyone heard how the person who went to the police is getting on?

Has anybody seen ADA's new website?

We have got to keep the pressure on people, I refuse to be defeated by a bunch of idiots, my proceedings with my solicitor are on going. Everything that the new ADA keep doing is just adding more evidence to prove that the cease of trading was planned and that Andrew Morris is intentionally fraudulent with his companies. Allegedly.

Thank You
James

[Kirkburton]

Has anybody seen ADA's new website?


It's not on any of their known url's

[T0PS3O]

:D A search..... hahaha... doesn't.. mwuahahahaaa.. show anything... hihihihi either...

[webvivre]

I have tried contacting the police but it is chicken and egg. I rang my local force: W Sussex - they told me to ring Greater Manchester. Greater Manchester said they would need a report from W Sussex.
Basically they did not want to know....

[petevonmikedaz]

:mad:
Sadly I must add my name to the ever growing list of Alex Doyle Victims.
Back in September I dutyfully paid my £699.12 inc VAT fee and sat back and waited for the website to burst into life, " about six to eight weeks " they said. Then it was " eight to ten weeks " then " about twelve weeks " then silence. No promised reports or feedback and now the phone line is dead and the website has vanished.
I don't hold out much hope but if anybody has any contact details for any of the several new Alex Doyle companies, it might be worth a phone call.

[Kirkburton]

Sorry to hear that you too have been ripped off, you are number 28 that has come forward out of the 340 clients that Andrew Morris claimed ADA had.

Their Address is still the same as before, but the phone number has changed to 0161 357 4740.

I see there is someone called Patrick James that regularly views this thread and has never posted a message in any thread, I wonder if this is Patrick Gallagher? If it is you Patrick, why don't you say something to try and defend your company's actions or offer any help to people that have been ripped off by your company?

Just been through this thread and my e-mails, there are 33 people that have been ripped off by ADA, not 28, that is almost 10% of their client database. Apart from not delivering what they promised to these 33 people, they have taken money under false pretences to the tune of around £23,000. There are probably more that we do not know about that are unhappy with their services that are yet to come forward, or may never come forward for fear of looking stupid.

[SEO-Guru]

I rang Companies House and Alex Doyle is neither in liquidation or in administration; I then spoke to a helpful chap at Greater Manchester Police who said that they had received lots complaints about them; he advised that it is a serious criminal offence to pretend to have gone into liquidation in order to prevent paying your suppliers or giving refunds to your customers; he also said he'll read the forum and ask his superior whether they should pay Morris a visit.

[Kirkburton]

SEO, do you have the name of the man at GM Police, I have some news that at the moment I cannot put on the forum that the police might like to look at

[SEO-Guru]

Sorry, I didn't take the name down, but I rang 0161 872 5050 and asked to be put through to the "Fraud Squad"; once you're through to them, you can speak to them in confidence. If you have information which constitutes a criminal allegation, they will undoubtedly pay them a visit; my view is that the combined messages posted in this forum alone form the basis of a deception action, and 7 years in jail for Morris and all his accomplices, however juinor they say they are.

[Kirkburton]

I urge anyone that is still in dispute with Alex Doyle Associates about money being taken without their authority write to Greater Manchester Police with details of your story to

Cheque Fraud Unit
Bradford Park
3 Bank Street
Clayton
Manchester
M11 4AA

[Kirkburton]

Alex Doyle Associate/Media, call them what you will are now trading as
e-commerce online
don't want to give them a link

http://www. ecommerceonline. co. uk

Website gives a new address and phone and fax numbers as


Orient House, 3 Mary Way (Off Newton Street)
Manchester, Hyde, Cheshire SK14 4RY
United Kingdom.

T +44(0)161 351 4747
F +44(0)161 351 4741



Typical ADA/ADM website, half the links do'nt work and despite comments of many happy customers (remearkable in just a couple of weeks trading) not one a single link to one. Typical bullshit.

[T0PS3O]

Plenty of spelling mistakes too. Guess we'll have to make this thread rank for 'ADM Group', 'Alex Doyle Media Group', 'E-Commerce Online', 'E-Commerce Online Business Solutions' and 'ecommerce online business solutions' as well. We could all chip in some coop weight to make this happen...

[Kirkburton]

Plenty of spelling mistakes too. Guess we'll have to make this thread rank for 'ADM Group', 'Alex Doyle Media Group', 'E-Commerce Online', 'E-Commerce Online Business Solutions' and 'ecommerce online business solutions' as well. We could all chip in some coop weight to make this happen...

It says on the website that they (e-commerce Online) are part of the ADM Group, neither ADM Group, or e-commerce online are registered at companies house. They are answering the phone as ADM Group (Alex Doyle Media Group Limited is a bit of a mouthful I suppose). I called and asked to speak to Andrew Morris,and was told he was unavailable (nothing new there then!) so it is definately the same lot.

The thing is Andrew and Co have now made so many enemies that it is easy to follow the trail, you can run but you cannot hide.

[magellan]

Check out the alt text on the home page - too funny!

[T0PS3O]

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Don't know what you mean? :D

[Lever]

Be careful that any references to ADM Group are clearly "Alex Doyle Media Group" or whomever they propose to be, as there are a number of legitimate ADM Group businesses/organisations listed in Google...

[Kirkburton]

I'm amused by their 'guarenteed seo'. I suppose they can always say that it wasn't a guarantee when it all goes pear shaped. I see they are also plugging managing PPC programs for people...God forbid letting them run rampant with your Credit/Debit card

[twarsop]

I would just like to add my name to the list of people who have been ripped off by Alex Doyle! I run a company called watchfromabox.com limited and we paid ADA £3500 + VAT in December last year....more fool us!

Before i did it i actually met with Andrew Morris twice and i have is mobile phone number.. what shall we do with that??

I also sent ADA a lawyers letter about 4 weeks ago but have since received a letter saying that they are in liquidation. Please count me in for any future action etc, i am now going to call e commerce online!

[T0PS3O]

You're #29!

Welcome to DP even when it's for this unfortunate reason. I hope you get some positive out of this forum too whilst sorting your issues with them out.

Please read the entire thread and contact (best officially in writing) all relevant parties, from the GM Police to Watchdog and OFT. Moneyclaim gov uk is recommended too.

Then post in other threads so we can help get your sites out of the gutter (if that's where they still are).

[twarsop]

thanks Tops30, good advice, i will get on to it!

[twarsop]

while i am here... i am now using a different optimisation company who are ok!? does anybody know of a company that have a proven track record of getting first page rankings without breaking the search engine rules??

[petevonmikedaz]

:confused:
Here's a strange thing, I received a web report today from Rachael at ADA.
They obviously don't read them because it just confirms in black and white that the only results I have had have been from sponsored links I organised myself.
The question is though, if they have wound the company up, why are they sending out reports.
They still don't seem to be answering the phone.

[Kirkburton]

Pete, they are not there anymore, they are now trading as e-commerce online at the following address and numbers. Andrew is on holiday until after new year

Orient House, 3 Mary Way (Off Newton Street)
Manchester, Hyde, Cheshire SK14 4RY
United Kingdom.

T +44(0)161 351 4747
F +44(0)161 351 4741
Email: info@ecommerceonline.co.uk

[Old Welsh Guy]

Twarsop, SEO is not rocket science, (unless you are in a really competitive arena) There is plenty of talent on the web that will help you get a headstart yourself. I would encourage anone to have a go, while using good solid resources for help. Then, if you get there fine, if not, then you will have learned enough to pick a good company and blow out the duffers.

Don't get hung up on just ranking, as this is only part of SEO/SEM you want to learn about usability (not accessability which it is now being referred to). Usability is the ease of which your site can be used. This means having a standardised navigation stystem, a good file structure, and nice clean clear information pages that guide your visitor to where you want them to go without them having to think 'what now'. Good usability will increase sales, and is in my experience a integral part of SEO/SEM. Everything that makes life easier for the visitor also makes life easier for the spiders. navi systems, sitemaps, clear titles, good descriptions, clean clear consise information that is topic specific on pages. So have a go yourself, but try not to wander to far from the good forums. I would say that there are only a handfull of good seo forums online. There are many many that people speak on as experts, but really they are just repeating what they have heard elsewhere.

On this forum, there are one or two like that (as there are everywhere), but there are many more who understand business, SEO/SEM, and willl correct any misinformation that is given out.

ADM - is this an acronym for 'Another Duff Manifestation'

or is it their team motto for client aquisition

ADM - Another Duped Mother****

Second thought, all good companies have a latin motto :)

'Aliusmodi Damno Neglectus' - this translates (roughly lol) as "another manifistation that will cause loss through neglect and disregard".

[SEO-Guru]

As you all know, Morris has risen again, Ecommerce Online (www.ecommerceonline.co.uk), (Pagerank:0; Alexa Rating: N/A). Notice that most of the hyperlinks in the left column don't work, such as "SEO articles by our experts". Keep pressing your credit card processors for a full refund for the ADA "work" done; credit card companies are quick to cotton onto rogue traders and you'll not only get your money back, they'll have their facility withdrawn in no time: send them a hyperlink to this thread and advise them of the new website he started.

[Kirkburton]

The Fraud Squad, Trading Standards, BBC Watchdog and HSBC Card Services and First Data Corp who used to deal with ADA card transactions up until August have all been made aware of the current situation. First Data have told me that this is still an ongoing investigation. I am sure that other people have forwarded on information that they have to their card providers also. There is a group of over 30 of us that are exchanging information all the time, but not through this forum as much of it is sensitive and do not want to give Andrew Morris et al. an insight into what is going on.

Merry Christmas

[J.D.]

Companies like these give our industry a bad name.

Dominic Hayhoe
Internet Traffic Consultancy Ltd.
http://www.internet-traffic.uk.com

Boosting search ranking is a *scam* - as simple as this.

J.D.

PS it's funny - their website (the one in the quote) is suspended... some company :)

[robin honeywill]

To all who have had bad experiences with Alex Doyle, join the club. my problem started in Jan 04, i'm a relatively new internet company and i was sold on the promises that they could get my website to the NO.1 slot across all the search engines. I was sceptical, however they said that they would, as a special offer, only take 50% of the total bill and then the balance when i was satisfied with the work they had done. This i decided was a fair deal and so gave the go ahead. It wasn't until my credit card bill came through that i found they had taken the whole amount in one go. I immediatley phoned them to complain and was assured it had been taken in error and they would credit the extra taken. Well, surprise surprise, they never did. Not only have i never received my money back, i have never received any of the promised work. I have been in contact with my local Trading Standards who contacted the branch local to ADA's offices but as of yet nothing has come of it. To make matters worse, and this is something all of you who have been conned by ADA need to know, ADA in November took another payment from my credit card for the same amount as the original charge. I had not authorised this payment, there is no way i would, would i? They obviously keep everyones credit card details on file and make random charges as and when they feel like it. Everyone, please check you card bills for November and December to see if they have hit you again.

[Kirkburton]

Hi Robin, if you look back through this thread you will see that quite a few of us were hit again with an unauthorised payment in October and November, I have managed to get mine back from my card provider. If you have not authorised this payment you should be able to get it back as well. You might not be so lucky with your initial payment as your card provider will probably see it as too long ago to do anything about it. The important thing is, has anyone had a payment taken after the date when they allegedly ceased trading?

[peterjohnston917]

http://www.ecommerceonline.co.uk/optimize_services.php

Quote from their website......

E-Commerce Online specializes in taking the load of Search Engine Optimization, Campaign Management and Customer Relationship Management for your website off your shoulders. With proven techniques that improve the coding of your websites whether static or dynamic, the proper strategies for search engine submission, workable adverstising campaigns, simplified marketing and business processes that everyone can understand help you claim your website ranking in top 10 positions on Search Engines as well as build and retain profitable traffic to your website.

Unquote.....

Well Gang what can we say to that...... What a load of B......t

ADM Grp of Manchester

[twarsop]

I have just found the following website through googles webmaster pages. It says "If you feel you were deceived by an SEO in some way, you may want to report it." and it gives the following url for international complaints: econsumer.gov

I guess it is just another organisation that will have its hands tied but at least we can all continue to spread the word about ADA.

[peterjohnston917]

Guess What.... Now who is being really great at SEO????? LOL Well we all know who isnt!!!!

From Google Search.....
Alex Doyle Associates, Alex Doyle Media, Search Engine ...
... Good Luck. Good luck in your quest. If you have had a problem with Alex Doyle Associates
* you have no doubt been in contact with someone at Alex Doyle Media. ...
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Alex Doyle Associates
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... Guess we'll have to make this thread rank for 'ADM Group', 'Alex Doyle Media Group',
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[Kirkburton]

Anyone that has had money take from their account by Alex Doyle Associates without their authorisation please write to the police at the address below stating what reason was given for the money being taken and any information that you have to back this up.

DC Royle
Ashton under Lyne Police Station
Manchester Road
Ashton under Lyne
OL7 0BQ

[Kirkburton]

I've had an e-mail this morning from a company that has a silimar claim to ADA:

We are a Search Engine Management company based in Essex. We found your web site in the UK business directory!

We can list you at the top of all major UK search engines for keywords/phrases closely related to your business.

I won't mention their name or give out their phone number but I did send them an e-mail saying to be careful of what they claim they can do and yes I'd love to sign up but will only pay once I've seen the results. I don't suppose I'll here from them again.

[T0PS3O]

What's up with Morris & Co? Any progress?

[SystemCare]

We were 'had' by ADA for not the greatest sum of £695. But have called them to find their lines have been disconnected. Have contacted Alex Doyle Media but as usual Andrew Morris is nowhere to be seen....

[Kirkburton]

You can contact Andrew Morris and Co at

http://www. ecommerceonline. co.uk (don't want to give them a link)

Orient House, 3 Mary Way (Off Newton Street)
Manchester, Hyde, Cheshire SK14 4RY
United Kingdom.

Tel 0161 351 4747
Fax 0161 351 4741

[SystemCare]

Cant believe it, just spkoken to Andrew Morris and he gave me his mobile number...maybe we're getting somewhere...

[jeff]

Whats Morris's new mobile number then ??

[Graham Coleman]

I too have been robbed by this company twice 6 months after the event they have taken more money from my credit card I beleive I am not the only victim any one who has given them your card No. Dont delay cancell your card NOW I do have Andrew Morris Home address & home phone No if required My Phone No. is 07831 134758

[Kirkburton]

Hi Graham - sorry to hear you too have been made a fool of by this bunch of muppets.

Andrew Morris will no doubt have said that the reason you have been charged is because you still have the coding on your web site that they did for you. However this does not hold any water. The coding they provided was when they were Alex Doyle Associates. They have ceased trading as Alex Doyle Assosicaites and are now Alex Doyle Media. You have not signed a contract with Alex Doyle Media and this is therefore theft. Ring Andrew and demand the money back, if this fails your card provider should refund the money as it has been taken fraudulently.

Regardless of whether any of the above courses of action are successful or not contact

DC Royle
Ashton under Lyne Police Station
Manchester Road
Ashton under Lyne
OL7 0BQ

who will be interested in hearing your story.

[ITC]

Boosting search ranking is a *scam* - as simple as this.

J.D.

PS it's funny - their website (the one in the quote) is suspended... some company :)

Hi JD,
our website isn't suspended?

We haven't checked back here for a while as we thought this had all been resolved but we can see it hasn't.

I'm sorry that because of one bad SEO company you believe the whole industry is a scam, but we have many clients whose sites postition we've improved by a long way, whom I'm sure who vehemently disagree!

If you need a referal, simply ask Peter from I-AC on these very forums.

[ITC]

Andrew, Patrick and John, here is an offer

I own three domain names that you might like for your new business Alex Doyle Media
alexdoylemedia.co.uk
alexdoylemedia.com
doylemedia.co.uk

I will give you all three if you pay back everyone that has been in this forum demanding their money back, for both bad workmanship and money that has been taken without authorisation from their debit/credit cards.

At the moment one of these domain names is pointing to the start of this thread, the other two have contact numbers to help people that have been taken for a ride by your previous incarnation Alex Doyle Associates.

Hi Kirkburton,
after being threatened to keep out of this by ADA - (of course we won't) - we would like to offer to optimise the site you have set up (free of course), to get it to the top of the search engines (or as near as possible) so we can warn as many as people about this company.

If you need any proof of our credibility, please speak to Peter Johnston aka I-AC.

Please contact me personally via email. I don't check in here very often.

[SystemCare]

We are about to take ADM to Court to recover the money owed to us. Does anyone have any experience of this being sucessful?

[hdwills]

The only people who can really guarantee, search engine position is the search engine owner themselves.

I think the SEO's who offer guaranteed rankings must reword their claims to something like "we will try to acquire a better position for your site, (read top 10) in case we can't you have a 100% money back guarantee".

This way, they will be offering the customer security of his investment and also not guaranteeing something that is not under their control (SERP's).

just my 2 cents

[niedermeyer]

Hi everybody- please add me to the list of scammed ADA victims. The usual sorry tale, ADA took money, didn't hear from them for 2 months, they finally got in touch and then ruined my lovely elegant site with crass scrolling keywords. No noticable improvement in rankings except on no-mark engines like jayde; repeated request for refunds and being fobbed off with "give it time, it just needs a bit of tweaking".

I wrote the thing off to experience but then got another call from an ADA salesman offering to guarantee my rankings top 10 on all major engines - I strung him along, asked him "so, if I don't make top 10 within a couple of months, I get a refund, right?" and of course he promised that they would. I kept him going for about half an hour before springing the fact that I was already a customer and I would be expecting my refund by return.

No refund of course, but it was fun making the guy feel stupid.

What prompted me to join and post though is that I have just had an invoice through from ADM for renewal fees. Phoning the number on the website doesn't work (of course) but I thought this might be the start of a new wave of taking money on credit cards, so I have cancelled the card and advise anybody who hasn't to do the same.

Take care!

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

Where has ecommerceonline.co.uk gone?

Have they started up under another name?

Thank You
James

[peterjohnston917]

Hi all... Most of us have already cancelled our Credit Cards etc... to stop ADA taking money again from them....but of course there are still a few who do not know of the thread on this forum... but hopefully the news is now getting about.

Sorry to welcome "niedermeyer" to the group ...Hello but..sorry at the same time...

Not heard from ADA or ecommerceonline as yet.. but there again i dont think that they will be phoning me or a few others from the Group LOL

This is one of the groups websites... http://www.freewebs.com/ada-support/index.htm so i am hopefully that this and other actions that we have taken.. will stop ADA and or any companies like them... come a cropper!! thanks to this forum etc

Regards

Pete

[SystemCare]

Is anyone else actively trying to get a refund from ADM. I have been dealing with Patrick Gallagher and apparently he has suffered a heart attack and is off work. Ahem. Anyone else heard anything about this? I spoke to Liam and enquired which companies are part of the ADM group. He said that although ADA are not part of the group they are taking over their customers and as a gesture of goodwill will do what ADA didnt do. They will also take their money if they feel like it and dont refund when people complain. well, i made that last bit up but im guessing thats what he means! Maybe i wont get my money back but i'll be a pain in the rear until i get bored which is a long way off. But i have got a recorded converstion by patrick saying that i will get a refund but he just has to speak to Andrew Morris... the saga continues...

[anusha]

Hey, Listen... 99% of the website submission are simply worthless ...
I suggest submitting it manually would be a good choice...

I am saying this by my experience of losing a lot of money...
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[Kirkburton]

Hi Anusha...I think you must have posted in the wrong thread, it has nothing to do with Alex Doyle Associates, Alex Doyle Media, ecommerceonline.con or the ADM Group.

Systemcare, If Patrick Gallagher has had a heart attack that is the second one that he has suffered, the other was a week or so before Alex Doyle Associates decided to metamorphasise into Alex Doyle Media...strange he has another one and ecommerceonline.con vanishes as well. All part of the con trick, playing on peoples emotions.

Personally I feel the world would be a better place without him or the monkey Morris.

Remember, to send any info you have got about being ripped off by Paddy Gallagher, Monkey Morris or, John Worsencroft to Ashton under Lyne police.
DC Royle
Ashton under Lyne Police Station
Manchester Road
Ashton under Lyne
OL7 0BQ

[niedermeyer]

From someone at ADM saying that although I had cancelled our contract, we still had Alex doyle content on our site (we took the crap off ages ago). The girl seemed to be genuinely unaware of the 'problems' with ADA, but I kind of recognised her voice - and when asked, she confirmed it was the lovely Angela. I told her I did not have a contract with ADM and she could stuff it up her .........
If it's of any use, the number she phoned on was 0161 351 4747.

[Kirkburton]

Neidermeyer, what company did Angela say she was ringing from was it ADM, ecommerceonline or just Alex Doyle?

[SystemCare]

The number which Neidermeyer got a call from was the "ADM group" they are recluctant to disclose which companies are part of the ADM Group though. When pressed they say that information is confidential. But i have to agree, Angela is lovely. I am trying to get a refund from them at the moment but its getting to the point where its not worth my time and we will just sue them. The good thing is though is because the debt is over £750 we are able to issue a statutory demand which require them to either pay up or put the company in to liquidation. I have spoken to a new woman at ADM called Shiela who pointed out they monitor this thread and are speaking to thier solictors for liable against some of the comments!!! oh, the irony.

[Kirkburton]

I did hear that there was a threat of writs in the air, unfortunately they cannot do anything about telling the truth about Alex Doyle Associates, which according to their own letter is no longer in existence. What they are getting up to under their other names I do not know so am not going to speculate but I'm sure that whatever it is we will hear about it in the not to distant future.

If anyone has any information that they would like to pass on to the police about Alex Doyle Associates, especially if you have had money taken without authorisation please contact:

DC 16931 Cowap
Greater Manchester Police
Criminal Investigations Dept.,
Division Headquarters,
Manchester Road,
Ashton-under-Lyne
OL7 0BR

Tel: 0161 856 9256

[jeff]

I wonder how many SEO companies they have now set up?.

[SystemCare]

There are six companies with the 'Alex Doyle' brand name registered with Companies House. Now I'm not suggesting for a minute that any of them are related to each other. Five of them do however have the same registered office and were registered on the same day :confused: ... careful...liable....

[mean warlords rain]

I am a client of alex doyle associates or at least I was. As a manchester based company I was able to meet with the "blaggard" and ask for a refund.
My latest information is that he is currently in Rio. If I hear any more, u shall be informed. Does anybody have any info regarding the best way to get my money back?

[anthonycea]

You could pray that God gets him in the next life, that is your only hope :o

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Can everybody affected by these scumbags 'Alex Doyle', especially Andrew Morris, give an update on what they have recently done to get there money back or if they have had any contact.

This information will hopefully help others.

I look forward to hearing from you, hopefully with some helpful information.

Thank You
James

[anthonycea]

Read post # 428 over, that is your only chance to get back at him :o

[idrial]

I am a former employee of Alex Doyle.

They layed off 8 staff just before christmas including me and as far as I know we are all owed unpaid wages.

They are a bunch of pathetic cowboys who should never be allowed to run a company.

While I was there I witnessed sexual harrassment and fights between "the Management" which drew blood.

Also the Management don't seem to do any work and drink coffee all day with their feet up on their desks.

They did us all a favour sacking us all.

Also I want to point out that it is only certain people who are crooks, they were many nice people working there who were just doing there jobs and had no dealings with credit cards.

[SEO_AM]

You could pray that God gets him in the next life, that is your only hope :o
I heard He is going to take lessons from ADA on selling concepts and saving SEOLS (search engine optimization late starters).

[Kirkburton]

Which 'blaggard' is allegedly in Rio?

As I've said before anyone with any bad experiences with ADA please contact Ashton-under-Lyne Police, their details are on the previous page. They are investigating this after Trading Standards received so many complaints, so at least we have shut the buggers down for the time being. I feel sorry for the honest staff that this has put out of work, but I urge any of you that have information, especially about the taking of funds from peoples credit cards without authorisation that can help put Morris, Gallagher et al out of harms way to get in touch with the police.

This is the only way that anyone now has any hope of getting any money back if their card provider is not willing to co-operarate.

[SystemCare]

It is pointless calling up and trying to get any money off them, we have started court action but they have wound up ADA in all but name so there are no assets to claim your money back from. Has anyone spoken to a fairly new woman who goes by the name of Sheila Holt? i dont know, maybe she's Morris's auntie or something, anyway, she gave me her mobile number incase i needed to contact her because she was going to take this 'very seriously', if anyone fancies a natter her number is 07818015058. I also have another but i'm having trouble working out who's it is beacuse different people keep answering, this number is 07968406823.

[david_sakh]

While I was there I witnessed sexual harrassment and fights between "the Management" which drew blood.

LMAO - what a professional environment.

[anthonycea]

I have the same type of management David, why won't people send me money :confused: :o :p :D

[Kirkburton]

Hi All

The latest is that Morris and Sheila are working from Morris' home address which is:

35 Lord Street
Dukinfield
Cheshire
SK16 5JP

Tel: 0161 338 2370

[anthonycea]

Did you tell Scotland Yard about this :confused: :o

[InfoKing]

Hi All,

I have been watching this thread with interest for a while now and the developments that have proceeded.

I would like to add SystemCare that i used to know Andrew Morris vaguely years ago before ADA and i am 99% sure that "Sheila" is his mother.

It may or may not be of any use to you all, good look is all i can say really.
;)

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello All,

Is this website new?

http://www.alexdoyleassociates.co.uk

I can't remember seeing it before.

Thank You
James

[SystemCare]

No, this is the original website address before they came Alex Doyle Media etc. If you notice you will see all the links don't work.

[Rob Holden]

I am back for a little look what's happening (I was previously ripped off with ADA) I left the ADA Scam alone because I had to move on.

I can now say my web site (Professional Sunbeds www.iso-italia.co.uk (http://www.iso-italia.co.uk/)) rankings have increased 100% since I left ADA. I am now Number 1 for Professional Sunbeds, Number 3 for Commercial Sunbeds on www.google.com (http://www.google.com/)

I now do my own SEO, although I learning my ranking are a big improvement than when ADA had a part in it, I was previously took off www.google.com (http://www.google.com/) search results as soon as ADA change some of my code, I never returned back on Google's 10 ten pages until I left ADA.

[Smyrl]

Congratulations. Rob it is good to see things working out for some of you,

Shannon

[Kirkburton]

If anyone wants John Worsencrofts Mobile number I am now in possesion of it thanks to an anonymous tip off.

Has anyone heard anything about the pending court case?

[Kirkburton]

Hi Everyone

Here they are (delete the spaces between the co. uk, as do not want to give them a free link)

http://e-commercemarketing.co. uk/


Orient House, 3 Mary Way (Off Newton Street)
Manchester, Hyde, Cheshire SK14 4RY
United Kingdom
T +44(0)161 351 4747
F +44(0)161 351 4741
Email: info@alexdoylemedia.com

The jokes are here as normal

"ADM specializes in taking the load of Search Engine Optimization, Campaign Management and Customer Relationship Management for your website off your shoulders"

Anyone thinking of letting this bunch loose on their website should first look at their directions to Manchester

"How to reach ADM:
You can plan your journey with the Transport for London's Journey Planner.
By Road: Easy access to M3, M4, A3 and A4 with ample parking in surrounding streets.
By Air: Heathrow Airport is 30 minutes away.
By Public Transport: 2 minutes away from Mortlake train station with Waterloo and the City only 20 minutes away. A short bus ride (419 or 209) from Hammersmith tube Station. "

And their dodgy VAT and registered company numbers

"Number: Registration No.:123456789
Registered in England No.:1234567 "


Bloody Hell Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid are back!

[T0PS3O]

How is this possible?


T +44(0)161 351 4747
F +44(0)161 351 4741
Email: info@alexdoylemedia.com


Now go to www.alexdoylemedia.com (the domain from the e-mail addres).

You'll get this:

Once upon a time in the wild North West of England was a cowboy search engine optimisation company that went by the name of Alex Doyle Associates*. Maybe if you were one of their clients that have been ripped off you may have found this page while looking for Alex Doyle Associates*.

So this 'fan' must be getting their contact enquiries. That's f**king hilarious!

[Kirkburton]

How is this possible?



Now go to www.alexdoylemedia.com (the domain from the e-mail addres).

You'll get this:



So this 'fan' must be getting their contact enquiries. That's f**king hilarious!


I can't say I've noticed my inbox bulging apart from the e-mails I've received from disgruntled customers and ex-employees wanting to know where their money is!

If you want to contact the cowboys their e-mail address is;

info@ecommercemarketing.com

NOT

info@alexdoylemedia.com

On another note, last year at the same time that ADA registered the name Alex Doyle Media Ltd, they also registered the names Alex Doyle Marketing and Alex Doyle Solutions. We now know they are using the 'marketing' angle in their e-commerce range ...and i have just noticed that the domain name e-commercesolutions.co.uk was registered in February. This may be a legitimate venture, but worth keeping an eye on all the same.

[T0PS3O]

"We give your website... Balls!" Thanks, exactly what I need...

And what's up with their title of the homepage? Clearly not optimized well...

[Kirkburton]

I have it on good authority that e-commerce online, e-commerce marketing or whatever ADA/ADM are calling themselves these days are concentrating now on web site construction rather than optimisation. However, and here is the killer, they then charge their clients on a cost per click basis everytime someone clicks on the site. This practice is wide open to fraud and abuse.

If someone has gone down this road I'd love to hear from them and their experiences.

If anyone decides to go down this road (either with this lot or anyone else for that matter) insist that you have some tracking code of your own is inserted on the pages so you can check the figures for the click throughs tally with those that you are being given. Also make sure that you are not being charged for clicking on your own website. This code records IP addresses so you can see if anyone is fraudulently clicking on your site to bump up the stats. If you don't know where to get the code from there are some free places on the net like www.statcounter.com which are quite good.

But remember once you have gone down this road, the company may well be giving out your url to prospective clients as an example of their work, which coincidently puts money in their pocket when the prospective client clicks on the site. A nice little earner all round!

[Kirkburton]

Swift Loans

Can you get back in touch with me, I tried to reply to your message but it wouldn't let me.

If you want my opinion sue Andrew Morris for deformation of your good company name, I have a copy of the source code (just incase they change it back) if you need to use it against them.

Check the link below, this goes to show what a juvenile little prick we are all up against

http://www.swiftunsecuredloans.co.uk/


Who owns your domain name? Is it you or Alex Doyle Associates, Alex Doyle Media, ADM, ecommerce online or whatever they are calling themselves these days?

Do you have access to your website, do you know who hosts it?

I know this is of no consolation to you, but it is a lesson to everyone that has given access details to their website designer/ SEO company. Maybe you were never given the access details by Andrew Morris, in which case sue him for theft of your property, you have paid for it and it is rightfully yours.

[Kirkburton]

I've found an interesting site if anyone wants to check up on Alex Doyle Associates accounts, change of directors, secretaries, etc

http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=04387403

Alex Doyle.Com
http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05276185

Alex Doyle Consultancy
http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05276799

Alex Doyle Marketing
http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05276234

Alex Doyle Media
http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05168884

Alex Doyle Solutions
http://217.199.181.112/creditreports/viewCompanyDetails.do?companyId=05276214

[Kirkburton]

I would like to offer my condolences to the staff that have lost their jobs at Alex Doyle and also offer my apologies to Andrew, Patrick and John. I may have been more vocal that I should have been in criticising Alex Doyle, and I should have left things once I no longer had a grudge to bear against the company.

Please do not contact me if you have any problems with Alex Doyle or any of the subsequent names associated with this company as I will not reply or comment.

The domain names I held are now pointing at www.alexdoyleassociates.co.uk which is a domain that does not exist.

[SEbasic]

So is that it then?

Has the company folded?

[Foxy]

I would like to offer my condolences to the staff that have lost their jobs at Alex Doyle and also offer my apologies to Andrew, Patrick and John. I may have been more vocal that I should have been in criticising Alex Doyle, and I should have left things once I no longer had a grudge to bear against the company.

Please do not contact me if you have any problems with Alex Doyle or any of the subsequent names associated with this company as I will not reply or comment.

The domain names I held are now pointing at www.alexdoyleassociates.co.uk which is a domain that does not exist.

So...go on...what happened here then....did they get heavy with you then?

People losing jobs happens all the time.... especially in companies that get ripped off by other companies/people.

I would never feel sorry for a company that causes others problems and certainly not sorry for the participants in that company...they contributed to the "aura/ethos" of the company.

So..did they?;)

[stocker]

I used to work for Alex Doyle Associates Ltd. I can honestly say that the work that they carried out was genuine. The company was legitimate and never "ripped off" anyone. The trouble is you get small minded people like this Foxy guy (sounds to me like a bit of a camp name to be honest although it may be fitting for him) that like to stick their ores in regarding matters that don't really concern them. Also, I've looked at your homepage Foxy and to be honest my niece could scribble something better on scrap paper. If thats your idea of professionalism then I'd sooner chew glass than have you do any work for my business.
I am a man with principals and good moral values that had a very high profile job within Alex Doyle and never would I work with a company that would rip anyone off.
I left the company early last year due to ill health athough I would like to say that I'm sorry that the company is no longer operating as it tried to offer a genuine service.

[Foxy]

I used to work for Alex Doyle Associates Ltd. I can honestly say that the work that they carried out was genuine. The company was legitimate and never "ripped off" anyone. The trouble is you get small minded people like this Foxy guy (sounds to me like a bit of a camp name to be honest although it may be fitting for him) that like to stick their ores in regarding matters that don't really concern them. Also, I've looked at your homepage Foxy and to be honest my niece could scribble something better on scrap paper. If thats your idea of professionalism then I'd sooner chew glass than have you do any work for my business.
I am a man with principals and good moral values that had a very high profile job within Alex Doyle and never would I work with a company that would rip anyone off.
I left the company early last year due to ill health athough I would like to say that I'm sorry that the company is no longer operating as it tried to offer a genuine service.

Hey that's a laugh - I don't really have a home page - if it is the foxy-web-hosting site then it was done as a "clone" of a seo's site using his material to prove a point - and this guy was/is big on seo - so indirectly you have just criticised one of the big seos, not me ...LOL

As regards your own "principals", self praise and analysis is not the most enlightening of methods of judging a persons character...only others can do that.

Funny how you attack me personally ..... not something I tend to do .... but then I'm different to you !

[InfoKing]

Does anyone have any idea why the number on the new e-commercemarketing.co.uk does not work? Phoned it a short while ago and got the doyle media welcome when it was picked up but seemingly it's been disconnected!!?

[SystemCare]

High profie employee...off work with ill health...it cant be...surely not...have we just had a reply from the ellusive Patrick Gallagher???

[Kirkburton]

I would like to explain my message of two weeks ago to those that have asked.

I received a phone call from someone who identified himself to me as "Jamie". He said he had 'invested' £70,000 of his money in his "Associates". He was fairly insistent that I was wholly responsible for his Associates going down the pan and therefore it was me that owed him £70k (nothing to do with the fact that his associates were crap and couldn't do the job they guaranteed they would do, and I'm not the only person saying this I'm in contact with over 40 other people that have been ripped off that will tell the same story). He was none to pleasant when I said that I had no intention of paying him his money and threats were made to be and my family. He initially asked for this money to be paid to him by the next day, however as he was feeling 'generous' if I made a public apology he would leave it a week before contacting me again. In other words a threat to shut me up.

Fifteen days later someone rang my office calling himself 'Gary Rhodes' asking to speak to me, when he was told that I was unavailable he said he would ring back in 15 minutes. Fifteen minutes later came a call from 'Jamie' again I was unavailable and this time gave his surname as Surrey, and about five minutes after that 'Gary Rhodes' rang again. Yet again I was unavailable, all three calls were referring to the above scenario.

Neither of the above two names would leave a phone number.....but that's OK Andrew Morris, because you forgot to dial 141 before you rang on your mobile pretending to be Gary Rhodes.

You are your own worst enemy, had you resolved the problem we had amicably in the first instance by honoring your guarantee and refunding my money I would have gone away a happy bunny and none of this needn't have happened. As it happens you owe me nothing, I have had all my money back from my credit card provider, but at least what you have done shows you and your company, i believe it is still e-commercemarketing.co.uk this week, in your true colours. I owe you nothing, but I do owe it to your potential customers to let them know what a nasty peice of work you are and what they are getting involved with.

The police have been informed of your threats of trying to extort money with menaces so be expecting a vist.

[InfoKing]

Jesus H Christ!! Never in my entire life have i ever heard of such ridiculous business practice. I take it that he thought you would cough up £70k? Incredible!! It sounds to me like the most threatening thing about Andrew is his alter-ego and complete lack of intelligence! And just as the dozy git probably thought it couldn't get any worse for him aswell, ha!

[Andrew Morris]

Hi everyone,

Yes it's me the elusive and number one on the FBI's most wanted list, exorting money with menace indeed! Rob I'm sure during your life you have annoyed somebody else other than myself, as your existance seems to be filled with constantly slating me, perhaps we could meet up have a pint, maybe we would like each other, perhaps our children could play together, and our days will be rosey and filled with laughter, or maybe you could carry on with your jackanory stories about fraud, watchdog, obtaining money through menace, masterminding suicide bombings etc, yawn. Do you go to bed thinking of me at night? Come on mate get a life, start focussing on your own business and where that is going. The comical thing about all this is I've never hid or tried to hide form any of you in fact i will meet face to face with you all with pleasure. As for your reply apologising, you obviously don't have the courage of your convictions, but that didn't come form me. Look you could carry on with this charade if you want it really doesn't bother or hurt me in the slightest because here are the facts:

Watchdog: Not even been contacted let alone investigated.

CID: No investigation conducted what so ever.

Merchent services: No fraud committed at all.

Trading Standards: Trading legitimately.

Employment tribunal: Guess what we won.

Info king who are you why if you knew me once will you not identify yourself.

Listen guys fair cop let the witch hunt begin!!!!!!!!

Burn him yeah burn him yeah lets burn him...............I confess everything i am an unitelligent dozy monkey who has a fetish for credit card fraud who sexually harresses his staff and beats up other managers not to mention I drink vast amounts of coffee. Did I also mention my addiction to bearded french prostitues.

oh I forgot to mention that i am encourageable and have a irrovocable habit of quoting lines from the esteemed royale family.

Therefore in the words of Jim Royale:


MY ARSE.

Quick Rob maybe you could get me locked up in Starngeways doing hard labour for breach of copywrite. I bet your p***ed that the death penalty has been abolished. Two hundred years ago you could have paraded me through the streets of London, thrown rotten vegetables at me, cursed me, spat at my battered carcus and piked my head on tower bridge to for warn any web marketers out there that they will feel the wrath of the Kirkburton bearing down on their condemed souls, Lord have mercy!

[SEbasic]

Andrew - All I see from this thread is people having had trouble getting in contact with you following an unsuccesful SEO campaign, and an apparant mis-charging from your part (Of this I have no proof however)

Let's keep a cool head here eh :)

For the record, I have never been in contact with you or any of you guys as far as I know.

But I have been keeping up to date with this thread...

[Andrew Morris]

No probs se basic I've got a cool head, I just think that this thread is rather comical with everything that has been falsely written

Hi Info King, are you going to reveal yourself or continue to hide behind your call sign? At least all seeing, all knowing, omnipresent Kirkburton lets us know who he is.

Jesus H Christ! This has had more publicity than the Michael Jackson trial. I feel most priveleged. I have a money making idea, we could get Judge Judy involved. You could be the prosecution and we could televise it on pay per view. How about it? Does anyone have Ruperts number?

[InfoKing]

I seem to remember hearing that Paddy knows Bill Gates personally. Maybe he has the same privalege with Rupert Andrew. Why don't you ring him?

[Kirkburton]

Hello Andrew, I have never said I have had any trouble getting hold of you, I have phone numbers for you if I had the desire to speak to you. You may be surprised to know that I have never, to my knowledge, annoyed anyone. If you are annoyed by my presence and postings then that is down to the actoins of yourself and of your employees.

As for my stories being Jackanory, well lets see:

Watchdog: Not even been contacted let alone investigated.
I'm not surprised by this, this is a consumer program and is not interested in what effectively was a business agreement. Maybe we would have been better contacting Rogue Traders!

CID: No investigation conducted what so ever.
I'm not able to comment on this, but I wouldn't count your chickens.

Merchent services: No fraud committed at all.
Not what I've heard from two of your former merchant services providers.

Trading Standards: Trading legitimately.
So why did they pass on information to the police regarding the amount of complaints that they received about Alex Doyle Associates?

Employment tribunal: Guess what we won.
Can't comment on that, I'm not aware of the details.

I made the apology because I had been threatened harm would come to me and /or my family if I did not, there was no conviction in what I wrote, how could I ever condone your actions?

Why have you decided to start posting messages now, trying to lighten the mood hoping I won't press charges against you? Over stepped the mark have we?

You may be a good laugh to go to the pub with, it's not everyday I come across someone that shares my fascination with bearded french prostitutes!

[Andrew Morris]

I know Rob it's the tickle of the grisly stubble that does it for me.

Trading standards have never passed this on, as for info from the merchant services we all know that's bull because even if thay did that they wouldn't pass that on to you because of data protection, neither would trading standards for that matter, or doesn't data protection exist in the magical world of Kirkburton?

If you are going to press charges then do it, I have nothing to hide nor have I done anything illegal. You know in other words and I quote, "Talk is cheap....shut up and dance!"

Answer me this one question, why in the last year of all this typed rubbish has not one of your claims come true? hmmmmmmmmm?????

In fact Rob you seem like a nice guy, I'm a family man and I would never threaten someone else's family thats a rats trick! It's disgusting, nor would I threaten anyone.

About the tribunal ask Kim or maybe Gary.

Oh and I haven't had two former merchant service providers erm?

[jeff]

Dear Andrew ,

So why was my credit card debited , and the Bank involved had to clear the balance itself under the merchandising protection afforded?
If it had been an error the amount would have been repaid and my bill adjusted accordingly ? This is not what happened.

[Andrew Morris]

The reason I have started posting now is because i feel left out and wouldn't want to miss a party thrown in my honour, i apologise for my late arrival.

[jeff]

For a bloke who apparently hasnt got a clue how a computer works you are doing really well , or is it a case of the school holidays are here and youve got an 11 year old side kick who's pulling all the strings and showing you what the keys mean ?
If theyre anygood maybe they could show how this SEO stuff really works cos you couldnt do it on your own , at least not for anyone on this forum .

[Andrew Morris]

Jeff the company ceased trading maybe that is why,therefore no refund was remmitted plus Paddy who was in charge of that area was probably busy playing golf at the time with Bill his best mate according to this.

[Kirkburton]

The thing is Andrew I know more than you give me credit for, many things I have never mentioned on this forum and will nor I mention because they are of too sensitive nature. I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you about what has and what hasn't come true because the fat lady hasn't sung yet, so I'm not dancing!

As for asking your ex-employees anything i find it hard to differentiate between who works for you and who doesn't (Angela for example), so their opinions and comments are taken with a pinch of salt.

If you didn't threaten me then you know who did, so spill the beans.

I have proof that a call was made from your mobile on Friday to me by someone calling themself Gary, probably your alter ego, regarding the demand for money with threats. You can deny it all you like as you've done with everything else, but we know the truth don't we Andrew.

[jeff]

Funnily enough Andrew , it was " Paddy" who told me he knew Bill Gates and had met him etc , the bit about them playing Golf together ..... - thats to inject humour into the story cos Paddy told me that "Bill" doesnt like golf so I suggested he read the Microsoft web site and the statement that "Bill enjoys playing Golf" - i can see it went straight over your head as well, sorry what was your point again in bringing that up .
p.s I prefer fishing tales - tell us about the one that got away ? - how big was it etc etc.

[Andrew Morris]

Its amazing what you learn about on Blue Peter isn't it Jeff, hang on my eleven year old is going on to c beebies to look up seo. Oh Rob so you admit, that you've approached ex employees about the company then? oops.

As for the other "sensitive" stuff we will have to take your word for it won't we.;)

Oh dear robust humour again lost, I dispair Jeff

Quick ring everyone Andrew's posting he's not in Rio after all. I sent you all postcards did you not receive them. Damn postal system.

A bit like your rankings eh? According to this anyway.

And still nothing from the king of info himself.

[jeff]

Andrew ,
With the lack of comprehension, and denial that they had been wrong (in that Bill quite obviously likes a game of Golf, I took it more of a measure of the company that I had employed to improve my web ranking.
I then looked at the failure of this company to correctly position my web site as had been outlined as a direct result of the Management of said company , this then led to the reasoning that you didnt know what you were doing and could only provide me with excuses , and pass the buck onto someone else within your company as you were always out or busy or couldnt get to your mobile to answer it.

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, I have not approached ex-employees, they have contacted me.

Sorry if i wasn't quick to reply, but I've got a business to run

[Andrew Morris]

Anyway about the pay per view anyone have any ideas? I'm thinking we could have some semi trance sort of apocoliptic music similar to BBC 24 as the intro music. Then we could have a voice over with some deep American accented guy introducing the show as something like:

Andrew Morris

Credit Card fraudster

Rapest

Monkey Abuser

Coffee Drinker

Friend of Paddy

Paddy friend of the Bill Gates himself

Has been brought forth before this jury

To be judged by his peers and Duely Punished

For his henious crimes

The Punishment you decide

Text this number your answer to 8448, now before lines close!

What do you think I vould wear an orange jumpsuit and everything.

Guys what I'm really trying to say is proof is everything talk really is cheap, show me the proof show the world/forum the proof this is your chance I'm online back up the allegations you've made don't be sensationalist............ you could get a job on the daily sport at this rate.

[jeff]

I think that in some way , shape , or form ; this Forum must be getting to you and thats why you are here today - as no doubt you have anonymously been here before.
Is it that bad for business ? that you come here to try really hard to be jovial to make it go away and fizzle out , when deep down inside it must be eating into you , you have obviously gone back over the previous threads to have read about "Paddy", that was months ago.
Your making me laugh now and thats good , I like laughing at you Andrew - I do hope that your Ego can withstand it cos i'll miss the jovial side of you.

[Kirkburton]

Are you denying that a call was made from your mobile phone to Blue Moon on Friday? I have evidence to show there was. You still havn't given me a name of who did if you didn't.

The reason Andrew is here is because he knows he's made a huge mistake on Friday and is trying to weasle his way out of it.

[jeff]

Are you denying that you debited my credit card ? Oi slippery bloke answer me that one.

[Kirkburton]

he debited mine as well without my authorisation, or was Paddy in charge of that side of things? Doesn't matter you were a director of ADA and are guilty as charged

[Andrew Morris]

Jeff I'm so glad that you like laughing at me, it's a gift. Yes this forum is eating away at me like a terminal cancer, i am awake at night rocking weeping believing that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is an oncoming train, as for business how can it bad for something that no longer exists? Please, please you really are affecting my life, you are my life jeff, i am infatuated with you oh the unrequieted love.

Are you guys bad payers or something? I never made an illegitimate deducation, on a credit card thanks Rob for your passing of judgement it means a lot to myself and the courts, funny though I've never been charged with any of this, isn't it?

[jeff]

Andrew as per someones earlier comment theres two types of Directors those that run a business and those that ruin them if you would please excuse me I am busy running mine, you may have a lot of free time on your hands - look to yourself for the reasons why.

[Andrew Morris]

Or been in court over this whatsoever, face it guys your comments are complete rubbish, you lost any credibility you has a long time ago, It's a classic case of gang mentality. Bullies in a playground and all that. Sad, you see being sheep isn't it.

[Kirkburton]

Andrew, you still havn't answered my question

Are you denying that a call was made from your mobile phone to Blue Moon on Friday? I have evidence to show there was. You still havn't given me a name of who did if you didn't.

You are a fine one to talk about bullies!

[Andrew Morris]

Ya I know don't have a career according to Jeff or a business. Ok buddy good luck with everything in the future.
Rob I never called you on Friday, I wouldn't waste my air time.

[peterjohnston917]

Hi ya Gang.... just back back in.... and im pissing my self...as they say.....about... the crap... that is coming from someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew Morris]

What was discussed on this "phone call".

[Kirkburton]

Who did ring from your mobile then? My telephone provider says someone rang from your mobile

[Andrew Morris]

Pissing yourself, must be the age creeping up try tena lady mate. Do you guys have a club going with this, maybe a secret handshake or a badge or something? Can I join?

Rob I have no idea, like I said before, I would never threaten anyone's family or anyone I'm a lover not a fighter mate. If someone else is upset with you then that's their affair. I hold no malice to you at all, sorry to deflate your ego but your really not that important to me. Sorry mate no offence.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

Hello Andrew,

You requested proof I believe.

What about the letter you sent to all customers at Christmas informing them that they will not be getting there money back because Alex Doyle Associates has gone into administration; ADA still haven't gone into administration to this day, you have applied to be 'struck-off' at companies house but due to objections this has not been granted.

Claiming you have gone into administration to avoid debts and liabilities when you haven't is illegal, isn't it?

http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/357bcebcfa49b814a3db8cac5f9b8855//compdetails

Thank You
James

[peterjohnston917]

Hand Signal... ya sure... middle finger in the air....at ADA

[Andrew Morris]

Just to keep all you newcomers updated yes I am online as myself posting as myself not under any callsign. Yeah Pete power to Iac, that was really offensive and deeply wounded me, oh my god he gave the finger. Don't forget I have an 11 year old posting Pete no need for foul hand gestures.

[Kirkburton]

Well someone else that has access to your mobile must really hate me then, still, we'll let the police deal with that one.

[jeff]

so if were all unimportant to you - why are you here then Andrew ?
Apart from letting us know what a wit you are , and that nothing was your fault and that you cannot or choose not to answer a straight question ? your good at asking the questions Andrew but not so hot at answering them.
You must be worried about something!

[Andrew Morris]

Choice mate I have ceased trading buddy please get that through your head, it is only going to cost you money and time.

[Kirkburton]

ADA has ceased trading in your eyes only, legally it is still a living breathing entity, as is Alex Doyle media, trading as e-commerceonline.co.uk which several other people have problems with getting money back off you.

[Andrew Morris]

Jeff, project if you want, i'm just bored and wanted something to occupy myself, i'm practising my repartee because i'm thinking of becoming a comedian, thanks for your praise, it's really encouraged me mate. Do you think i could make it professionally?

Really is that what I'm trading as Rob? Really are there hundreds of people out ther looking for their money back, form Alex Doyle Media. You really are off the mark try again. We'll play a game of warmer colder if you want.

[choicegallery.co.uk]

You have already cost me and everyone else on here money.

Just becuase you lock the front door on Friday afternoon and decided over the weekend that you can't afford to pay your bills and debts so you don't open on Monday morning and decide "that's it, I have ceased trading"; isn't quite the way it works in the eyes of the law.

You may have 'stopped' trading but that isn't the same as 'administration' now is it.

Thank You
James

[Kirkburton]

No wonder you are misguided you don't read anything. I didn't say there were hundreds, I said several other people. I wouldn't want to flatter you into thinking you had over 100 customers at alex doyle media or e-commerceonline.co.uk

[Andrew Morris]

Choice your not really a creditor mate just in your eyes. So really its doesn't have anything to do with you does it?

No Rob I'm trying to work humour into my persona at the moment, like I said i'm working on my quick wit and repartee.