Spamming Keywords

[jared]

I have always read that Google (along with most other SEs) dock you/penalize you for spamming you keywords on your site. Sort of like the cloaking method but without even being that sneaky.

What is the thin line between a high KW density and spamming?

The reason I ask this is because my dad recently asked me to get a better ranking under 'florist victoria texas'. So I went over to google and typed it in to see what I am running agaist. Almost the whole page of results, except the 1st one, were sites that don't really contribute any real information.

One of the sites that comes up is http://flower.localstreets.com/xml/en/Victoria/store_00197___0.asp. Scroll down to the bottom and look at all that text just spammed down there. Is that why they are #3 in google, just because they did that because that seems stupid. They have no direct BLs from what I can see. Their site sucks and doesn't even offer any real link to florists in victoira.

Yet another example of this was http://www.ilocalflorist.com/TX/local_florists_victoria.htm.

It just seems over half of these pages with good rankings seem to just have a high KW density because they spam them all over the page. However, I thought the google algo picked up this sly method?

Those sites offer no relevant help to the search and shouldn't even be there.

I am just confused :confused:

[fryman]

Keyword density won't help you much with Google. Google likes off-page seo.

[Blogmaster]

True. The reason a site is ranked has often little to do with what may appear obvious at the time.
Google assigns weight to each domain which may be considered "importance of a site".
What works with one site, won't work with another.
It's a balancing act. DP threads do rank for all kinds of keywords because of the domain.

The time a domain has been indexed plays a huge factor as well.

The best thing to do with Google is wait and see since nothing is set in stone.


Mike

[stephenmunday]

Maybe there is so little competition for that keyphrase that crummy sites get to the top despite lack of IBLs and keyword spamming. If you create a halfway decent site and get a few good links you may be able to get #1 no problem.

If this is not the case, then Google is doomed and you might as well spend your time optimizing for the other two :).

[jared]

Yeah, I am going to start first focusing on MSN. It seems they yield much quicker results where as google takes a long time...more and more I am finding irrelevant sites such as the ones I mentioned above in my searches. Google better get its act together, MSN here I come! :D

[hanyixin]

But the user of MSN is much less than the Google. I got more visitors from Google than MSN with Same keyword and Same position.