Microsoft to build a safer search

[schlottke]

Interesting read- MS is beginning to talk more openly about their Search technology

http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/3367211

[anthonycea]

Great article SB, thanks for posting it. I think that this issue of page views transmitted to third parties, no matter who it is will be the largest issue that the industry will have to deal with down the road. We will see what the lawmakers have to say about this privacy issue.

Folks need to get involved in the issue, also it seems like M$ will have a lot to say, but people need to put pressure on them also since the AUTO ID issue and the use of page view information is one that will affect everyone, webmasters and surfers and service providers.

[digitalpoint]

Great article SB, thanks for posting it. I think that this issue of page views transmitted to third parties, no matter who it is will be the largest issue that the industry will have to deal with down the road. We will see what the lawmakers have to say about this privacy issue.

Folks need to get involved in the issue, also it seems like M$ will have a lot to say, but people need to put pressure on them also since the AUTO ID issue and the use of page view information is one that will affect everyone, webmasters and surfers and service providers.

Everyone except me I guess. :)

[compar]

... the AUTO ID issue and the use of page view information is one that will affect everyone, webmasters and surfers and service providers.
To phrase Shawn's comment a different way; how will it affect all these people?

I frankly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[schlottke]

To phrase Shawn's comment a different way; how will it affect all these people?

I frankly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Not sure anyone does.

[anthonycea]

Compar, I am sorry Shawn does not have time to read the articles that I post here, he seems to want to avoid addressing the AUTO ID issue for some reason.

I will bet you Compar that Shawn knows exactly what I am talking about.

You will just have to go back and look at my past posts and read the article that I posted on Digital Point about the Microsoft AUTO ID that Shawn WILL have to install an interface right here at DP for all of us to log on one day.

No passwords or log ons, that is what I am talking about, if you can't find the thread ask Shawn, I know he knows which one I am talking about, cus we almost got into a fist fight over this issue in a PM war. :eek:

[digitalpoint]

No one can make anyone install a central authentication system. No one owns the Internet, not even Microsoft.

[anthonycea]

Shawn no one can MAKE you apply for a credit card, but if you don't have one you will not rent a car at the airport when your plane lands in a strange city now, will you? :eek:

[digitalpoint]

What does that have to do with your prediction that it will HAVE to install a central authentication system here?

[anthonycea]

Shawn, if you want traffic you will play the game.

What if M$ comes up with a AUTOID search tool, click and your logged on to the site?

Are you going to tell your users, sorry I do not want to be part of that?

Will you force them to keep using your username and passwords, when no one uses them any longer? :eek:

Now roll up, get your alcohol out, wash your forehead and get ready for your autoID mark.

Are you going to tell me you are not going to install the interface on your sites. Did you use PayPal?

[digitalpoint]

Correct, we will not be using any 3rd party authentication system ever on any site. I don't need Microsoft to gain traffic.

And no, I never have accepted PayPal.

Anyone who thinks they "need" it is a fool. :)

[anthonycea]

Never say never, how do you process transactions, standard merchant accounts?

Next millions of websites use PayPay, why are they fools?

90% of your users are using Microsoft OS to access your sites, are you going to say no to 90% of your users if AutoID is built into their OS?

Come on Shawn, the AUTOIDmark will not even be painful, just give us your right hand if you don't want it on your forehead :eek: SOFTIE LOVE U!

[Foxy]

Shawn no one can MAKE you apply for a credit card, but if you don't have one you will not rent a car at the airport when your plane lands in a strange city now, will you? :eek:

That is out and out rubbish

What is cash used for? If you can meet the loan of car criteria set by the company you will be able to use the car - the only reason that credit cards are used is that it gives the loan company some form of protection [limited at that] - you might need to make a substantial cash deposit but you still will be able to rent.

[anthonycea]

So Foxy, what are you going to do, FEDEX a suitcase full of cash when you make your next online transaction?

How are you my old friend? :eek:

They do not take cash at rental car agencies in the states Sir Foxy. :eek:

[compar]

Now roll up, get your alcohol out, wash your forehead and get ready for your autoID mark.

Are you going to tell me you are not going to install the interface on your sites. Did you use PayPal?
The "forehead" remark is a biblical reference to the mark of the devil. So is PayPal now the child of the devil and part of the evil empire?

Or maybe it would be easier to ask the question the other way. Who, in your mind Anthony, is not part of the evil empire and just out to get us?

How do you feel about George Bush? Now there's a subject we might be able to agree upon.

[anthonycea]

No Compar, I was not refering to PayPal, I was refering to the AUTOID that is to replace Passport. Microsoft is going to introduce AUTOID to eliminate LOGONS and PASSWORDS.

I was just telling Shawn to get ready to accept the mark here at DP and also let him know that he will have to get his own ID to log on to other sites that WILL install the interface to the new system.

If you need me to post the article again I will, but if you review my past posts you will find me trying to get Shawn involved in a discussion on the subject and you will find the link.

By the way Shawn never commented on the issue for some reason, maybe he does not have time to read the article. But it is very important and maybe you can start a new thread on it Compar, so the forum can discuss it.

[schlottke]

IF they release the AUTOID, I will be nervous- I just don't really have the safest feeling about Microsoft.

[anthonycea]

Why, Intel tried to do it with ID on processors, Softie will do it through software, there is no if's about it.

This is going to happen (computer software theft is the largest reason) Mr. Gates wants it, China is stealing software from M$ and this will put an end to it they think. Software no workey with no AUTOID, no no copy without embeded ID inside.

Next, the banks will back it, so if you want to buy or sell you will have to get your ID.

Do you use a credit card, they have 3 digit codes on the back of the card that most require now.

I think that I am going to buy some Goats and start making cheese and leave this stuff to Shawn. :eek:

[digitalpoint]

By the way Shawn never commented on the issue for some reason, maybe he does not have time to read the article. But it is very important and maybe you can start a new thread on it Compar, so the forum can discuss it.

Because it's not even worth talking about IMO.

Why would Microsoft replace Passport with something that serves the same purpose? Passport was going to me a central authentication system. Problem is no one incorporated it or even cared about it. The only thing that requires you to have a Passport account is Hotmail these days.

[mushroom]

This is going to happen (computer software theft is the largest reason) Mr. Gates wants it

The days of Mr. Gates beening able to brain wash the minions is coming to an end.

Why?;

M$'s poor security, high price, need for 3rd party software (more $'s) in order to provide even resnomble security.

IBM, Sun, Novel now backing and promoting Linux

[anthonycea]

Mushroom, does this mean you will not accept the "MARK", you and Shawn are rebels against M$, how dare you two resist, M$ will find out about this! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[schlottke]

So then is Bill Gates going to be the Anti Christ?

[anthonycea]

How could this have anything to do with those things, when they ask to put a chip in your Brain (GBI) then you will know.

But Mr. Gates is just trying to stop folks (CHINA) from copying his software without paying.

No M$ ID, no worky work your OS, OK Got it, want to stay in the biz, play the game.

Gates has not asked you to put a mark or a chip under your skin, so until then don't jump to conclusions.

As I recall, Google were the one's with the BRAIN IMPLANT idea.

This has been discussed on many webmaster forums, see link below

http://www.alltheweb.com/search?cat=web&cs=utf8&q=google+brain+implant&rys=0&_sb_lang=pref

All Google users should line up to Get the (GBI) just like you are standing in line to get a Gmail Account. First come, first serve. Please take a number so you can get a number.

[mushroom]

Mushroom, does this mean you will not accept the "MARK", you and Shawn are rebels against M$, how dare you two resist, M$ will find out about this! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mark me if you wish.

I still use M$ for some things (some hardware).

But NEVER THE INTERNET in it's present state it dose not belong there (fix ALL the holes and prove it, then maybe).

[schlottke]

I won't be taking any mark- not too concerned it will happen any time soon anyway...

[anthonycea]

The so called "Mark" will be your personal M$ ID key that will be required to make your OS function.

So if you don't take the "Mark" you can go into goat farming like I am.

Next if your websites are not set up with the interface to accept the "Mark" you will lose 90% of your traffic (windows users)

Catch 22 anyone?

[mushroom]

Next if your websites are not set up with the interface to accept the "Mark" you will lose 90% of your traffic (windows users)

Catch 22 anyone?

How many anti-trust suits do you think M$ can endure?

[anthonycea]

Is the law stopping Google? Will it stop M$

$ buys the law most of the time.

[digitalpoint]

Well, I'll pretend for a second that this topic isn't idiotic (because it is)...

Microsoft isn't stupid. Even they know that doing something like that would be an excellent reason for users to abandon Windows for another operating system.

Essentially they would create a tiny little orphaned island of the Internet that was only accessible by Windows users. They would only be able to access sites that voluntarily added themselves to that little island. So now, as a Windows user, you are unable to access the whole Internet.

Personally, I wish they WOULD do it. But anyone who thinks that it has any chance of happening is a fool.

Gee anthony, I wonder why no one ever takes you seriously?

[anthonycea]

Shawn, I wonder if you ever looked at the article posted in this thread, do you think I made this silly subject up?

Maybe if you took the time to read the back up articles you would have a better idea of what we are talking about in this very silly subject of AutoID.

[digitalpoint]

Have *you* read the article? It has no mention of "AutoID" or anything similar. It also does not mention sites needing to install an AutoID system in order to keep Windows users.

[anthonycea]

So how do you explain automatic log ons with out user name and passwords across the entire internet?

[digitalpoint]

Maybe you should go read the article. The string auto, pass and the word log does not exist the article.

[anthonycea]

It was not the article in this thread, but I posted it in one of the threads on the night we had the PM war, or the day before, I think in one of SEOGuru's threads, I will repost it tonight when I get back if you can not find it, but I must leave.

[digitalpoint]

So why are you talking about something that has no relevance to this thread then?

[anthonycea]

Relevance to this thread? You must go back, we were talking about AutoID in this thread way back and PayPal.

You never answered the question posed, why are folks that use PayPal fools?

I am not the one that did not want to discuss M$ auto ID to replace Passport Shawn, you were.

[digitalpoint]

Relevance to this thread? You must go back, we were talking about AutoID in this thread way back and PayPal.

You never answered the question posed, why are folks that use PayPal fools?
I never said that.


I am not the one that did not want to discuss M$ auto ID to replace Passport Shawn, you were.
I was asking why you think Microsoft would come up with a "new" central authentication system, when they already have one (Passport)?

[anthonycea]

PayPal comment is on post #11

I will post the article on M$ auto ID if you read it this time.

[digitalpoint]

It was referring to this...

Correct, we will not be using any 3rd party authentication system ever on any site. I don't need Microsoft to gain traffic.

Anyone who thinks they need it is a fool.

[anthonycea]

Never say Never, you will reconsider one day when you see the new Standards established.

No more Browsers, no more log ons using user names and passwords, yeah Shawn, you will be one of the first to adopt the system because you are one of the smartest operators in the business.

So you can say you will not do it now, but since all of the big companies are behind it you will not have a choice.

Shawn, you can become a goat farmer, can you milk a goat?

I want to learn how to make goat's milk cheese, I really like Feta Cheese, you can join me.

You will make a great farmer Shawn.