IBM the King of Search?

[anthonycea]

Look out folks, not to toot my own horn, but IBM is now crawling the net.

I have talked about this in the past and they are hitting the servers big time with their BOT.

I just seen it for the first time today 6/11/2004

IBM has something called "web fountain" that is going to be used by the largest companies in the world to datamine existing corportate databases and tie them all together.

IBM is bigger than MICROSOFT AND GOOGLE PUT TOGETHER, SO LOOK FOR THEM TO MAKE BIG WAVES IN SEARCH.

[NevDull]

IBM has a market capitalization in the $150Bs and $8.5B in cash.
MSFT has a market capitalization just shy of $290B and $56B in cash.

Datamining corporate databases is very different from web search.

You're welcome to be ignorant, but you can keep it to yourself.

[anthonycea]

Why don't you give us the sales figures of Google, IBM and Microsoft my friend since you hold yourself so smart, can you do that for this forum?

Next, you show yourself, by your silly statements what you called me.

Can you answer this question, why is the IBM crawler crawling the internet?

This crawling of the internet has nothing to do with corporate search.

Please respond with your answer if you have the _______s.

[expat]

cool down

IBM crawler(s) have been round till end 2002 -
A crawler is packaged with the IBM Iseries - so one can build whatever one wants - thus not all IBM crawlers are actually IBM

To my limited knowledge and according to IBM docu there is presently no full commercial application using this.

It is nice though as the crawler is well behaved and is a good indication if a site is properly linked across the net as it seems only to appear after quite a while but once there it comes by regularly.

So I always use it as an indicator that a domain or site is in the mainstream.

M

[anthonycea]

I hate to insult your intelligence, but again these crawls are from IBM itself.

I know that you Google lovers are having a hard time with this and you Microsoft lovers really do not like the fact that IBM is going to knock some ARSE's around in this industry, but too bad.

IBM is the biggest software vendor in the world, contrary to popular false beliefs.

IBM supports open source Linux programs, if you do not like that, too bad.

IBM is getting into the search business, if you do not like that , too bad.

Maybe I will post some articles for you all if you continue your bias comments, maybe I will let you find them on your own.

[Help Desk]

blah, blah, blah...

Why are you so angry?

[anthonycea]

Think Bling you seem to post mostly propaganda and false posts, where did I say "blah blah blah" can you prove this by any of my posts here at DP.

Next explain why you continue to post falsehoods?

[digitalpoint]

anthony, settle down dude...

Okay, so what makes you think IBM is getting into the search business? Just because they crawled your site, certainly does not mean they are going to be a search engine. There are many reasons your site would be crawled by something other than a search engine spider.

What was the user agent you were crawled with?

[anthonycea]

Shawn, I will scan the server log and email it to you if you would like, but I will not publish it on the forum, send me by PM your email address.

I will post articles on this for the public to view on IBM getting into search for the public to view on Digital Point Forums. :eek:

[digitalpoint]

No, it's okay... don't have time to read email.

[Help Desk]

...Next explain why you continue to post falsehoods?

Can you please provide these examples of falsehoods and propoganda? I would rather you didn't use slander.

[anthonycea]

Correction to my previous post. The link was previously noted incorrectly. It should have noted as "Disable Google Statistic Gathering" and not "Disable Google Toolbar Autoupdate".


Mr. ThinkBling, the above is your quote from the Google Toolbar thread here on Digital Point.

You had mentioned a false fact and were retracting it with the above statement.

Remember when you stated "The Google toolbar autoupdater can be disabled"

Next the other falsehood is quoting me in this thread as saying "blah, blah, blah" Can you show us all where I ever said that in my life on any forum?

Please "GET REAL"

[schlottke]

I always kind of thought the auto update was a little eery, but Im not too frightened of google anyway.

[Help Desk]

anthonycea, it was a mis-typed thought, not a falsehood and was corrected. The "blah, blah, blah" quote was a bit of caustic wit used to expose your folly.

Are you always this sensitive?

[Help Desk]

I always kind of thought the auto update was a little eery, but Im not too frightened of google anyway.

Eery is a good word to use. Nobody should be frightened, but when you open up an auto-update door like that, you'll want to make sure on what it's bringing it in.

Is anybody, other than the overly paranoid, really afraid of Google? They would loose their rep if they ever tried pulling something shady.

[digitalpoint]

Not me... I'm not a Google lover, but they are by far the most up-front, "good" company I've run across. That opinion of course is subject to change if I ever think they are doing anything "bad". :)

Would be an interesting company to work for to say the least. If they ever open up an office in San Diego, I'll try to get a part-time job there, and donate my paycheck to charity just for a hobby.

[anthonycea]

Shawn, when did you change your profession, you go from a computer programmer to a comic, how do you do it, just pull off the cape like Clark Kent? :eek:

[digitalpoint]

I wasn't kidding actually...

[anthonycea]

Shawn you would do better to get a job at IBM

http://www.searchwars.squarespace.com/display/ShowPage?moduleId=31096

Google will not be in the search business much longer.

[GuyFromChicago]

Look out folks, not to toot my own horn, but IBM is now crawling the net.

I have talked about this in the past and they are hitting the servers big time with their BOT.

I just seen it for the first time today 6/11/2004

IBM has something called "web fountain" that is going to be used by the largest companies in the world to datamine existing corportate databases and tie them all together.

IBM is bigger than MICROSOFT AND GOOGLE PUT TOGETHER, SO LOOK FOR THEM TO MAKE BIG WAVES IN SEARCH.

I just noticed on 6/11 that an IBM bot has visited most of my sites. Seesm to start off slow...will be interesting to see how much it takes from each site and how often it visits.

As far as another SE goes - I'm glad. The more the merrier. Nothing drives innovation like competition.

[anthonycea]

IBM is the biggest threat to all others in the industry and they are just getting started.

It is funny that folks never thought IBM was involved in this business, they have been researching the industry sector for over 20 years.

If I were the competition I would be VERY worried about IBM. :eek:

[anthonycea]

Would be an interesting company to work for to say the least. If they ever open up an office in San Diego, I'll try to get a part-time job there, and donate my paycheck to charity just for a hobby.

Quote by Shawn Above

Now Shawn have you not heard that Google uses part time under industry scale part time workers and sub-contactors to fill many jobs.

The only jobs where you can make money at Google are high executive positions.

So I don't think you would last long at Google. Not with the money you are capable of making on your own.

[digitalpoint]

It wouldn't be for the money. As I said previously, the paycheck would be donated.

[anthonycea]

Below is a post from a man that was offered a job at Google, he posted this on a blog.

If you're a Stanford grad. google has a job waiting for you. Just don't expect industry standard compensation. But, you will be able to make pocket money from inserting search links for spammers and advertisers.

Haven't you noticed on certain searches you perform some Ebay links or some other non-related search term is displayed?

I was offered a position at google, however I turned it down after visiting their so call "Campus". Just bunch of greedy cliquish kids waiting for IPO. Several product managers told me they can't wait until they're vested and get the f* out of there so they won't have to baby-sit anymore.

STILL WANT THE JOB SHAWN?

If you need the URL, PM me and I will give it to you. I will not post this blog here at DP

[anthonycea]

IBM is making waves and the industry is watching, the next article is one of great interest to all in this business. On demand computing is a business model that all in the industry are engaged in.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5232770.html?tag=zdnn.alert

IBM looks to be a major player in search and back end services to new search engines. I think they will be the company to watch.

[Help Desk]

Are there any articles that say IBM is going to take over the search arena? What is their target date?

[anthonycea]

Look at the page linked on post # 19 they will lead you to articles that will link you to more articles, I think Google is getting into other businesses for a reason.

[Help Desk]

Why can't you post active links?

[anthonycea]

Think Bling you will have to ask the other members, like you they have hostility against me and voted me to the depths of no live link hell.

Another dead link on IBM is below, it mentions they invest 5 billion a year in R & D more than some in the industry have in sales.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5235525.html?tag=zdnn.alert

[Help Desk]

I'm not sure what that has to do with IBM becomming king of the search. IBM could buy there way into the search market, either by developing their own system or more than likely buying somebody else's.

I'm just looking for a line of though here.

[anthonycea]

If you want to start the "THINKBLINGSEARCHENGINE" what IBM will be is a ASP or a DATA PROVIDER or BACK END, for all of these small retailers of search who will add value to the data and create a product.

So you do not know what they will do, they have more resources than any company in the industry, so they can do what they want.

[Help Desk]

Although IBM is huge, it is not the largest. Also IBM's range of markets is gigantic. Google got huge because it did one thing and did it well. We'll see if they keep doing well as they expand.

[digitalpoint]

I really doubt IBM is going to drop all their resources for their hundreds of different markets, and devote everything towards building a new search engine.

Boeing has huge resources and R&D budgets as well. I bet they aren't going to make a search engine.

[anthonycea]

IBM had 86 billion in sales last year, M$ about 28 billion, Google 1 Billion

Think Bling, can you tell me of anyone larger than IBM in the industry?

IBM is a large software company 14 Billion in sales in the software area.

[digitalpoint]

IBM is more a hardware company than software. So if you are talking about the software industry, then Microsoft is bigger. If you are talking about the hardware industry, IBM is bigger.

[anthonycea]

IBM is more of a data services company, computing on demand is all the rage, everyone including M$, HP, SUN and everyone else in the business is following IBM's business model.

Computing on demand is a ASP Model, I do not need hardware or software using this model as a business operator.

I simply rent on demand computing from IBM, that is the future, data centers that provide turn key resources, this is where IBM is leading the entire industry and they are being followed by all of the other major players to this model.

Businesses like it because they are always on the cutting edge of computing and database management without the investment of hardware or software.

Just buy the computing you need to run your business.

[Help Desk]

IBM is more of a data services company...

IBM is actually more "services" than "data services". A major constituent of this is IBM consultants.

[anthonycea]

If we want to do a final study on what the true percentages of software sales verses services verses hardware, it is simple.

IBM and M$ are both public companies, someone simply needs to sit down and look at CBSmarketwatch or NYtimes or WSJ or S&P and look at the figures.

Or we can continue this discussion here with fuzzy figures and make a long thread to make Shawn richer.

You guy's decide on what direction you wish to take it, one thing I read a while back that was a shock, was that IBM was the largest software company in the world.

Now the only way we can find out the truth is by looking at how much of M$ sales are from software verses other services such as MSN, MSNBC and all of the other things they do verses software sales.

I know that I read the other day that IBM had 14 Billion in software sales.

[anthonycea]

This article is about the IBM Search Engine

http://www.webmarketingnow.com/news/03-09-18-ibm-search-engine.html


Also see post # 19 for a link leading to other articles if you have interest

[anthonycea]

IBM is making waves in a giant market, corporate search is said to be an 8 Billion dollar market.

They are making big moves to capture this market.

See this article, save it since the links are only good with some of these sites for 7 days.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/technology/9024330.htm?1c