View Full Version : How do you know the article is original ?
stojan
Jul 18th 2006, 3:43 pm
This is to DP members who know some about writing, because I do not unfortunately. If I need some articles and hire a writer through a board or forum how can I check if the article delivered is original and not copy + paste from somewhere ?
Thanks for your kind response in advance !
stojan
Will.Spencer
Jul 18th 2006, 3:46 pm
I always check using Copyscape (http://www.copyscape.com/).
Tyler Banfield
Jul 18th 2006, 3:48 pm
I always check using Copyscape (http://www.copyscape.com/).
Copyscape or Google are all you need to detect duplicate content ;)
shamess
Jul 18th 2006, 3:52 pm
I always check using Copyscape (http://www.copyscape.com/).
I didn't know about that site, I've always just used google. Thanks ^^;;
stojan
Jul 18th 2006, 3:54 pm
When you say google, what do you mean ?
Just quote the article and search it ?
Tyler Banfield
Jul 18th 2006, 3:55 pm
When you say google, what do you mean ?
Just quote the article and search it ?
Exactly, just pull a random sentence from the article, throw it in "" and you should know within a few seconds if your article was copied.
stojan
Jul 18th 2006, 4:16 pm
Thanks guys, I appreciate your help very much.
stojan
Alevoor
Jul 18th 2006, 5:51 pm
Hey Wait a Minute!
There is another google way which I think is better! I have used it several times a day and I am happy that it works for me.
Maryland university website dustball dot com lets you do it free of cost.
Go to the link. It is self explanative.
Will.Spencer
Jul 18th 2006, 7:33 pm
Alevoor:
That's pretty cool.
Everyone else:
Here is a live link: http://www.dustball.com/cs/plagiarism.checker/
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 1:50 pm
Content writers who sell unoriginal material should be strung up by the feet and dipped in expired mayonnaise. They make the entire industry look bad.
As well as Googling random sentences, I find that the best way to find an honest writer is to go off recommendations. Cheats rarely build a good reputation.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 5:35 pm
Writers who sell material that isn't theirs aren't writers at all. They're simply people trying to make a quick buck because they're too lazy to invest the time and effort it takes to obtain a real job.
PunjabiSingh
Jul 20th 2006, 5:36 pm
thanks for those links, i've always used google, never knew there were alternatives
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 6:31 pm
Writers who sell material that isn't theirs aren't writers at all
So I take it you're with me on the mayonnaise idea, yeah?
p.s. Denise, I'm one of the 'lucky few whose talent just knows no bounds' you mentioned in your blog post today. I just haven't found out what my talent is yet. Maybe shuffleboard?
marketjunction
Jul 20th 2006, 6:56 pm
The fact is you won't know unless you write it yourself. I always recommend using writers in the United States, because we have the strongest laws and accountability.
I was reading today how a PLR service was selling people hundreds of articles they didn't create or own rights to distribute on. The other issue is the fact that many simply reword an article and think it's all ok. That would (could) be a derivative work, which is a copyright violation. Furthermore, it would be darn hard to know it until you are being sued.
But, you tend to get what you pay for.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 6:58 pm
Keith, I'm in complete agreement with you.
Shuffleboard, eh? I wonder if there's really a market for that... :p
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:02 pm
I always recommend using writers in the United States
I guess I won't be using that as a quote to promote my services, then, what with me being a lousy Brit :)
Denise, something I've learned from copywriting is that there's a market for damn near everything. I'm not really sure what shuffleboard actually is, though. I think they send you the instruction manual when you turn 50.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 7:06 pm
Market, that's like my mantra: "You get what you pay for."
Oh DO they, Keith? Well, looks like I've got about 30 more years to go until that happens ;)
marketjunction
Jul 20th 2006, 7:09 pm
Using someone in the UK can be good as well. Other countries simply don't have the best legal system for pursuing offenders.
marketjunction
Jul 20th 2006, 7:14 pm
Market, that's like my mantra: "You get what you pay for."
Yea. I tell that to all my perspective clients. I'll tell them to go elsewhere first and I will give them one complimentary advising session free. I had one client take me up on it recently. He had a company in another land write 50 pages of content for him on a subject I am an expert in.
Long story short, I spent a little time showing him all the errors and how their inaccuracies with the subject matter killed his credibility. Nothing better than letting another company firm up a big sale for you. :D
Anyway, if you can't pursue someone in a court of law, the originality of the article doesn't matter. If you are so bent on getting the cheapest deal possible, hope it's all ok and live with your decision.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:15 pm
Oh DO they, Keith?
Yeah, I'm fairly sure it all comes in a package through the mail. The shuffleboard manual, a pair of really high pants and a book of trite sayings that all begin 'Back in my day...'.
I've got 25 years and two days to wait for my package. Counting down the minutes.
You get what you pay for
That's the mission statement for my content writing business. Funnily enough, most people take one look at my rates and decide they don't need quality that much.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 7:18 pm
There are a lot of clients who do that, but there are still those who know what it takes to produce quality content and pay accordingly. It's just a matter of weeding through the slums trying to find them :)
marketjunction
Jul 20th 2006, 7:18 pm
That's in the mission statement on my content writing site. Funnily enough, most people take one look at my rates and decide they don't need quality that much.
Well, when they get sick of trying to recreate visitors every single day and working extra hard to build up instead of building retention, they will be back. If they don't quit first. ;)
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:31 pm
It's just a matter of weeding through the slums trying to find them
It's a shame that leaves so little time for actual writing, though. I work 6 pm until around 6am 6 days a week, and I find I spend half my time looking for work, 4 hours standing in my garden smoking and about 20 minutes banging the keyboard. Maybe I need to hire someone to do the legwork for me.
Well, when they get sick of trying to recreate visitors every single day...
Exactly. And hopefully, when you do a great job for them, they'll come back again and again.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:32 pm
Oh dear, 666 and working all night. I wonder if it means anything :)
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 7:46 pm
Heh heh heh, only if you're superstitious ;)
You know, that's pretty much my day. Especially now during the summer months. Is it just me, or is summer slow as far as work goes?
In any case, I spend half my day looking for work, part of my day actually working and then the rest of the day is spent taking smoke breaks and caring for my mom. Although the mom part will be eliminated after another couple of weeks.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:52 pm
Although the mom part will be eliminated after another couple of weeks.
You're not gonna drive her out to the desert, are you? 'Cause she would not be cool with that.
The summer's been good to me. I've stumbled into a few jobs by dumb luck. Just fell into a gig writing descriptions for 100 Hawaiian holiday resorts that'll pay the bills for the next few weeks. Never been to Hawaii, don't have a clue what I'm doing - but the client seems happy with the product :)
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 7:55 pm
Haha, no. She'll just be well enough to care for herself by then (hopefully, fingers crossed.)
Well, that's good. I can't tell you how many jobs I've had to research and research until I was numb because I knew absolutely nothing about the topic. Those jobs are... less than fun, but like you said it pays the bills.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:58 pm
I'm quite enjoying it, actually. Coming off a few dull jobs I get to sit here and write flowery descriptions of Kauai. Better than adult diapers :)
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 7:59 pm
God, I look so upset in my avatar. It's as if someone just off-camera mooned me, and I'm not quite sure what to do about it :)
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 8:00 pm
Granted, that assignment sounds much more exciting than writing 25 articles on fertilizer... I mean, there's only so much you can say about the topic before it all begins to be meaningless.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 8:06 pm
I'd probably have to give up after 5 on fertiliser. I had to write 2000 words on web conferencing yesterday. I can't take any more boredom for a few days.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 8:11 pm
I hear you. Tomorrow is my last day on a 50 article series on vitamins/anti aging skin care, blah blah blah. I swear, I've become a verifiable expert in that field.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 8:16 pm
Oh, I'm so sorry. Nobody should have to become an expert on anti aging skin care. They used to use that as a torture technique during the Spanish Inquisition. They'd strap you down and yell for three hours about the wrinkle reversing properties of pentapeptides. It's true. My grandad told me.
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 8:35 pm
Hahaha, you crack me up boy. But yes, I am a self-proclaimed "expert" on the topic. I've written about it on several occasions.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 8:41 pm
I'm just shocked I know what pentapeptides are. That's what you get for watching too many late night infomercials.
Nah, to be honest I'm 75 years old. As you can see from my picture I just take really good care of my skin :)
What else are you an "expert" in from writing too many articles?
DeniseJ
Jul 20th 2006, 8:54 pm
Hmmm... that's a good question. Celebrities and their crazy exploits, for one.
Keith Taylor
Jul 20th 2006, 8:59 pm
Huh. Never really been offered anything like that. Should be easy enough to write, though.
With me I seem to get a lot of gambling jobs. There's only so much you can write about spread betting on the NCAA before you have to start punching the walls, though.
marketjunction
Jul 20th 2006, 10:35 pm
Try writing 50 articles on basketball betting for one client. Weeee
Actually, it's pretty simple given my experience in the field.
My worst assignment was a client that wanted articles relevant to their product. All 20 articles had to be about political yard signs. The articles could not be stories or anything. They needed a deep impact on the custom political signs offered. Also each article needed a different feel and not simply a rehash of info used in previous articles.
Worst part was I did such a good job they rewarded me with 20 articles on custom handicapped signs. ;)
Oh yea, their website had a grand total of about 100 words on the subject. Ah, good times.
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 2:22 am
As a former compulsive gambler I have a little experience in that field, too. Unfortunately the articles I'm contracted to write about gambling have to be positive, while I would prefer to be writing along the lines of 'gambling ruins lives - for God's sake, don't get into it!'
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 8:23 am
Gambling can ruin lives, that's for sure. I can't tell you the number of people in my family who are addicted to gambling. My father freaks out anytime I head to a casino ( I go like once a year, IF that) because he thinks I'm going to end up broke and alone living on a street corner somewhere.
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 8:26 am
I've only gambled in a casino once - and even then it was only $10 Australian in Melbourne. Online gambling was my thing until I woke up several years later with enough debt to cover 2 years' income.
Denise, you big pansy. I've been working 22 hours now, while you've been getting your beauty sleep. On the negative side, I now look quite horrendously ugly.
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 9:17 am
Haha, I rarely sleep Keith. However, the internet had lost its magic for me last night so I went to read until 4 a.m. So technically, I've only gotten about four hours of sleep... less if you factor in how often I woke up during those four hours.
Beauty sleep? Hardly! I look like something the cat dragged in this morning.
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 9:30 am
Beauty sleep? Hardly! I look like something the cat dragged in this morning.
I just glanced in the mirror after grabbing a quick shower. I look like something the cat was too scared to drag in.
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 9:35 am
Well, I'm not sure which of us is worse then!
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 9:44 am
I know. It occurs to me that I'm not entirely sure what point I'm trying to prove. Shall be say we both look as rough as each other and have done with it? :)
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 9:59 am
Sure, why not? Sounds good to me! :p
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 10:14 am
Maybe you can channel that thought into finishing your batch of anti-aging articles. Like method acting. Only... er... with words and stuff.
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 10:47 am
Haha, I'm not so sure about that. But I only have about two articles to go on that, and then I'm done... whoo hoo!
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 11:30 am
Good stuff. Right, I can't possibly sleep so I'm going for a couple of pints. Good luck with the articles. I'll be back drunkenly writing in a couple of hours. Just got a big job so I can't spare the time to recover from a hangover.
DeniseJ
Jul 21st 2006, 11:39 am
Have a good one :) Enjoy yourself.
marketjunction
Jul 21st 2006, 12:50 pm
Geez. I work for two hours and it's time for a fiesta. ;)
Keith Taylor
Jul 21st 2006, 4:47 pm
I've been awake for 32 hours, now, and I've been working for around 28 of them. Well, I say working. Mostly sitting around pretending to work. Still, it's tiring stuff.
marketjunction
Jul 21st 2006, 8:22 pm
That's nuts.
I got up at noon, worked for 3 hours, read for 2 hours and went to sleep for 2 more. I just got up again. Yawn.
Guess I will do 2 more hours of work today and catch up on some forum reading. It's a rough life.
Black_Hand
Jul 22nd 2006, 1:28 am
well you can google the article, Not the whole content but by phrase by phrase using Double quotes " ".
If you happen to find similarities then open all the links and read through.
You can also use copyspace.....you just need to upload that article somwhere on the web and search for a copy of that web in copyspace.
It works pretty well.
Hope this helps
Regards
Black_hand
Tyler Banfield
Jul 22nd 2006, 1:35 am
well you can google the article, Not the whole content but by phrase by phrase using Double quotes " ".
If you happen to find similarities then open all the links and read through.
You can also use copyspace.....you just need to upload that article somwhere on the web and search for a copy of that web in copyspace.
It works pretty well.
Hope this helps
Regards
Black_hand
Black_hand, try reading the whole thread:
http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1133339&postcount=6
And it's COPYSCAPE, not copyspace
Keith Taylor
Jul 22nd 2006, 4:22 am
I got up at noon, worked for 3 hours, read for 2 hours and went to sleep for 2 more
You must be exhausted, poor thing :)
My extremely long Thursday/Friday was all in aid of a relaxing weekend. I just have to write a couple of quick articles this morning and then I'll enter into a drunken stupour (yes, it's spelled like that - I'm a dirty Brit) for a party tonight. It's a joint birthday party for myself and my best friend, and also a housewarming party. Every living being within a 5 mile radius will be there, and the venue is a small terraced house in Stalybridge (for those of you who don't know what a terraced house is, imagine taking a full-sized house and squeezing it until it's 10 feet wide). Booze. Music. Multiple celebrations. Young Northern people in warm weather.
It's the perfect storm.
marketjunction
Jul 22nd 2006, 11:03 am
happy b-day.
Keith Taylor
Jul 22nd 2006, 6:17 pm
Cheers. I'm now 25 years and 2 hours old, and this sentence has taken two minutes to type.
I'm... so... drunk.
Mystique
Jul 22nd 2006, 7:21 pm
Alevoor:
That's pretty cool.
Everyone else:
Here is a live link: http://www.dustball.com/cs/plagiarism.checker/
Thanks for translate the URL :)
I could not understand the way Alevoor used to skip a useful link
BTW, Happy Birthday after the hangover Keith ;)
.
DeniseJ
Jul 22nd 2006, 8:16 pm
Happy Birthday
Keith Taylor
Jul 23rd 2006, 4:57 am
Thanks, guys. My brain feels like it's trying to crawl out of my eye sockets. Nobody talk too loud.
wwwbug
Aug 7th 2006, 8:24 am
copyscape.com is good tool for you ,
carjamlangley
Aug 10th 2006, 12:23 pm
Some writers will take an article off the internet, add a paragraph to it and sell it as original work. To be sure that is not what you bought I would suggest doing a couple of searches in Google. Maybe one sentence per paragraph. If everything checks out then save time by hiring the same person next time and just check periodically. :)
wwwbug
Aug 16th 2006, 5:43 am
go to cp ,it is a good site for you to check your content
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