Official... Yahoo alternative to adsense

[fryman]

http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/2005/03/ypn_yahoo_profi.php


With this, webmasters will turn over to Yahoo and focus their seo on Yahoo. Google should start to panic, it is just amazing how much discussion this new program has generated.

So... start studying how Yahoo's algo works and focus your energy on this!

[david_sakh]

awesome! I hope this is a reliable source of info, but wow! It's great not to have only one man to toss your allegience to.

I just hope this doesn't lead to competition that will lower advertisers' bid prices. :(

[fryman]

If that happens, Google will just have to increase the % they give to their publishers.

If you sudenlly had your earnings go down, wouldn't your first thought be "geez, let's try Yahoo and see how much I earn with them"

If millions of webmasters think the same and decide to give Yahoo a try, you can just imagine what would happen to Google.

[anthonycea]

Do you expect another one of many contextual ad programs to destroy Google Fryman :confused:

There are already many ADSENSE like programs out there now such as TargetPoint, BidClix, Bidvertiser and many others.

None of them put Google out of business nor hurt their sales growth.

Google is now competing with M$ as a computing platform and ADSENSE will be a small part of the total sales of the company in a few years.

They have mapping products, weather, news, web hosting (blogs), email, desktop search (Google OS) and many other products.

This news is about 60 days old also.

[fryman]

TargetPoint, BidClix, Bidvertiser, Clixor, etc are 100% crap. There is no one I have met that can tell me that they are happy with one of those programs.

Comparing that to adsense is like comparing a 7-11 to Kmart.

This news is about 60 days old also

March 07, 2005
Confirmation: Yahoo is testing a Google Adsense competitor


Didn't mummy ever teach you how to read dates?

:rolleyes:

[anthonycea]

Go back and read my posts if you don't believe me Fryman, I posted this "breaking news" at least 2 or 3 times a month or two ago :eek:

[Hank]

If / when Yahoo comes out with a program like Adsense, which I've been praying for now for a year, Yahoo servers will be overloaded and they will garner tens of millions in new revenues in the first month alone.

Why will Yahoo clean up as compared to the 3rd and 4th tier text ad wannabes?

1. Yahoo is a public company
2. Yahoo is profitable
3. They are a known and trusted entity
4. They have capital to finance such a program
5. They have greater reach than just about any website worldwide
6. Adsense publishers are tired of living under a mushroom

The simple fact is, like myself, there are millions of publishers who will FLOCK to a Yahoo program that even resembles Adsense.

This will especially be true, and Yahoo, if you're reading this, take note: This will especially be true if Yahoo gives us ANY data on the amount being paid to us per click, or pages on our sites' that the ads were clicked on, or the keywords used to find our pages / displayed ads. Give us anything more than Google does and they'll win buku loyalty.

Google has been playing with (read: cutting) commissions to publishers for over a year now. Views go up, avg. pay per click goes down, net payments go down. Not a good situation for Google or Adsense publishers, but as another person posted, why not try Yahoo and see what the metrics are with them?

And there is a large group of people (web publishers as well as executives in F500 companies) who are growing tired of Google's crazy algo changes and cock-sureness ala Microsoft in the 1990's, not to mention a completely out of line stock price and market valuation. They are just waiting for someone to come along and knock Google down a few notches.

And Yahoo is the only one who could do that right now.

Just MHO.

Hank

[fryman]

I agree with you except on the part
" if Yahoo gives us ANY data on the amount being paid to us per click, or pages on our sites' that the ads were clicked on, or the keywords used to find our pages / displayed ads. Give us anything more than Google does and they'll win buku loyalty."

Imagine how many spam sites would invade the net if they knew how much they are getting paid per click? Make the real information available and it will be just impossible to find anthing between so much spam

Anthony, maybe you are confusing things, seems like you poste the rumour a few days ago, today is the oficial announcement, the rumor is dead and everyone is waiting to see when this will be avalable.

I don't know if it is a coincidence, but my earnings with adsense have been incredible for the last 2 days. Happening to anyone else? Maybe they don't want me to leave... :D

[anthonycea]

Like I said Fryman, you just looked at a recent post, if you go back you will see that the "rumor" is much older than a few days.

[Hank]

Fryman:

Yes, I can see the point of withholding the data to prevent spam. And to make it clear, I'm not an agrieving adsense publisher - like most small businesses, before Adsense came along, we didn't qualify for anthing but affiliate program ads. So Google gave us an opportunity to earn some money.

And they also helped us all prove we could make money with advertising.

But now here we are and as usual in America - what have you done for me lately.

And yes, on one of my sites, my Adsense revs have been up considerably the last week. But so has my traffic. My avg. payment per click hasn't moved much, but my traffic has jumped a lot. I think it has more to do with new G algo or dance than anything else.

And, you guys - who cares when the rumor started vs. when someone posted the Yahoo news on a blog?

Until Y announces it, its still a rumor.

Hank

[anthonycea]

Fryman was the one who said it was OFFICIAL, not me :)

[fryman]

Geez... this is like talking to a 5 year old retarded kid... but here you go...

http://publisher.yahoo.com/

[Design Agent]

yahoopublishernetwork.com looks like the gold rush is already on and YPN.com is also out

[anthonycea]

[QUOTE=fryman]Geez... this is like talking to a 5 year old retarded kid... but here you go...

http://publisher.yahoo.com/

Your exactly right about talking to retards, because that link mentions nothing about this program but is an email notification form for all programs.

[fryman]

OK, whatever, I've wasted enough time already with you... time to move on and look for people that know something about the Internet...

[anthonycea]

Don't ever look in the mirror Fryman :p

[Design Agent]

OK, whatever, I've wasted enough time already with you... time to move on and look for people that know something about the Internet...

Not taking sides but that post doesn't really hold water... Ive read alot of Anthony's posts , theres some Internet stuff in there ;)

[anthonycea]

Yes but you have to give Fryman credit, even though most of his posts are insults and bitching, he also gives out bad reputation for no reason.

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Google it you moron 03-07-2005 11:32 PM Geez... stop kissing up to stupid cheaters

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The above is only one of those that he gave me for no reason, just because he is in envy of a 13 year old brilliant star member of DP that I really like.

The above comment was because I support Josh.

[Design Agent]

Josh is spot on, at 13 he is a better coder than me..
Fryman seems to know his stuff too.. I think you both waste alot of your energy fighting.. I have loads of pages you could type for me instead ;) Anyway, off topic.. Yahoo publisher very nice..
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=ypn&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
with only 50,000 results it might be worth putting a site up there as the name becomes common knowledge

[anthonycea]

Believe me, Fryman started it all, not me, I thought he was decent until just recently :)

If one can hate a kid like Josh, I really don't value him as a friend :cool:

[Blogmaster]

What are they going to call it? Yahoo! AdSenseless?

[joeychgo]

How long before MSN jumps into the mix?

[joeychgo]

What are they going to call it? Yahoo! AdSenseless?



YPN is the current name - not sure what it stands for - Yahoo Publisher Network maybe?


Talkig about this topic here too: http://www.vbwebmaster.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346


I think its going to be great and give Google reason to pause and not be so high and mighty. Yahoo can give them a good run and MSN cant be far behind.

[SEbasic]

Anthony... You need to stop trying to wind people up... It's a complete waste of everyone's time.

I'm gonna give the Y! thing a go I should think...

I'm pretty sure I got an email about it yesterday but didn't bother to look all that much...

YAY FOR COMPETITION!

[Blogmaster]

the question is this: will Yahoo! be able to give the same good related search result ads as Google which resolve in a high payout? I don't mean to be negative but looking at their algo I get a little discouraged

[SEbasic]

But we're talking about something completley different.

I'm sure that Y! has the ability to scan a page, then serve ads related to it's content...

Most of the opther publishing networks available already have the ability to do this, but as a result of not having enough advertisers, the ads come out looking lame.

I have no doubt that Y! will get enough advertisers on board to make the program work.

[Blogmaster]

true ... and I hope they will shape up their algo while they're at it :D

[T0PS3O]

I'm sure that Y! has the ability to scan a page, then serve ads related to it's content...

I hhope the include preference settings where yuo either choose:

- Contextual Ads
- Themed Ads
- Demographocly Relevant Ads

For many pages it's BS to get competitor ads on you pages where it would be much better and make much more sense if you either get a similar theme ad (so not quite the same as the topic of your page) or ads that appeal to the audience you attract in general.

How they would know the demographics is another question, but I'm asure they can work it out.

[neterslandreau]

I don't know if it is a coincidence, but my earnings with adsense have been incredible for the last 2 days. Happening to anyone else? Maybe they don't want me to leave... :D
My earnings have been up all this month and yesterday I completely smashed my old daily record.

This is making me think twice about diluting the results with a new advertiser..

[anthonycea]

Again, this is not new news, it broke long ago.

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=9284

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)

[T0PS3O]

I've installed it this morning; we had an invitation to test it. Probably because of our Overture spend. And guess what?!

It says 'Ads by Yahooooooo'

How cheesy is that?

J/k

[piniyini]

Care to drop a link to the page where you've got it so I can take a look?

[joeychgo]

what site Tops?

[TheWebJunkie]

wish id get an invite to test it, im getting bored on adsense lets hope yahoo's kicks some butt and then it will force google to make improvments to adsense :)

[T0PS3O]

Not allowed to make it public yet unfortunately.

The account centre unfortunately resembles Overture's hence not as smooth and clear as Google tend to build it. Reports are more in-depth than AdSense's inc. average pay-out's etc. so that's definitely a positive. It seems to update every 5 hours or so and there's a Yahoo toolbar plug in to get some basic earning stats from a drop-down. Still j/k :-). Just having some fun with you guys on my birthday!

[joeychgo]

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/smilies/birthday.gif

Happy
Birthday
Tops30!

http://www.lincolnvscadillac.com//images/smilies/birthday.gif

[T0PS3O]

Thanks Joey :D LOL! I guess you have sharp vision ;)

[SEbasic]

Damn... I never saw it...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUDDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gonna have to get pissed some point soon. ;)

[neterslandreau]

Not allowed to make it public yet unfortunately.

Any idea when it's going to be public?

[joeychgo]

Hee Hee I get the brownie points!

:D

[T0PS3O]

Back On-Topic

Any idea when it's going to be public?

No idea. Soon I hope! Get paid for the clicks anyway plus some free Overture credit. Still j/k. Will end this soon, feel bad now.

Birthday thread is here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=11176

[Design Agent]

Yeah, Happy Birthday TOPS30... this looks like it maye well turn into a birthday thread..
We wait to hear if Yahoo gives a better return...;)

[anthonycea]

I gota present for you TOPS......


A good arse whipping for stealing Mella from me :mad: :confused: :mad: ;)

[Blogmaster]

Anthony, Mella digs you big time, if she lived close to you, you would be one lucky man :D

[anthonycea]

Yeah that's all I need is a boyfriend magnet in my life, on the other hand I could dig some of her girlfriends once in a while :) ;)

[T0PS3O]

Yahoooooo hint: CTRL+A my posts here and see it uncovered... Sorry!

[Kaiowas]

Yeah! Maybe it will be a second chance for people kicked of from adsense (for ex. not because of their fault : \ - like me : )

I'm full of hope : )

[Blogmaster]

lol, it never is anyone's fault :D

[Kaiowas]

Looking on leaky adsense script, You can say that:

lol, it never is anyone's fault :D

[MattL]

I've installed it this morning; we had an invitation to test it. Probably because of our Overture spend. And guess what?!

It says 'Ads by Yahooooooo'

How cheesy is that?

J/k

How original!!

Edit: oops - didn't see the j/k :o

[sparkimarki]

It would be a miracle for anyone to break the hold that Google has with Adsense and with the traffic levels so much higher than anyone else, how can any other ads program possible compete? Unless, of course you could not get approved for Adsense.

[fryman]

Oh, you'd be amazed of how many webmasters are just sick of adsense and waiting for a competitor to jump in.

[Art]

Absolutely, there's also the remote chance that Yahoo will resort to more money for the webmaster, via larger %s and an infinite number of other factors. Either way though, competition between companies is great for the consumer (in this case - us, the publishers!).

[TommyD]

IMHO: I'm guessing people are tired of the secrecy, any webmasters sharing general or specific information with eachother(even reply email to a problem eveyone is curious about) is a violation of TOS.

TOS, TOS, TOS.

Maybe another 900lb Gorilla make the perception of deception wane.

I too, adsense lover(still in the honey moon period), would appreciate more competition. Maybe it will not result in a penny clicks. ;) Opps was that a TOS violation?

tom

PS. Disclaimer: the mentioning of any actual revenue generation is NOT associated with AS, I mean another PPC system totally. :D

[Art]

It ultimately boils down to time. Things are only going to get better for publishers.

You really should watch out and try to avoid anything which may be sensitive to the TOS.

Google is a mistress obsessed with nuance ya know ;p

[PinoyIto]

Oh, you'd be amazed of how many webmasters are just sick of adsense and waiting for a competitor to jump in.

Well I am one of those... hope this is true and hope msn will create their own too. If this 2 giant create their own it's really googd competation for the big 3.

[SEbasic]

I saw one of the new yahoo ads...

Spoke to my OV contact but they didn't know anything about it yet...

I guess it's not that far away.

[sparkimarki]

Where did you see one of the Yahoo ads?

[SEbasic]

I could have sworn I bookmarked it...

Ah ha! Found it...

http://www.dogster.com/

Look right and view the frame URL...

[blackbug]

Just check out any geocities hosted page... I can't imagine they'll look too far different to that.

[tom22]

They look pretty on par with AdSense (except no "Ads by Yahoo", which will be good if they keep it off) but I'm really concerned with the relevancy. All I'm seeing are ads about learning spanish. By the way, that site also has Google AdLinks on it on the bottom left corner.

[SEbasic]

I 99.9% sure the ads aren't contextual.

I *heard* they were based on viewing habits, but that could well be BS.

[tom22]

Yeah, it really is looking like it isn't contextual. Everytime I refresh that page it displays completly different ads, not at all related to the subject matter. I hope they do -something- to make them relevant.

[SEbasic]

If it *is* based on viewing habits (Of which I have no proof), then with any luck the CTR's shouldn't be too bad (Although nowhere near as high as Google I should think).

[blackbug]

Basing it on viewing habbits would bring up some interesting privacy issues.

[SEbasic]

That's exactly what I think - I'm going on 3rd party info here...

[Arnie]

I 99.9% sure the ads aren't contextual.

I *heard* they were based on viewing habits, but that could well be BS.
On my geocities site they are 100% contextual, perhaps that doggy site isn't yahoo.

[SEbasic]

I can assure you it is. :)

[tom22]

No, it's Yahoo for sure. The ad url is http://cmhtml.overture.com...

[City2]

Google will probably juice their program up a notch. I dont even think Yahoo will be worth it.

[iskandar]

No, it's Yahoo for sure. The ad url is http://cmhtml.overture.com...

can't open that link

[SEbasic]

can't open that linkYou won't be able to. It's an ad server...

[admans]

Lets see how which of this 2 biggies make Publishers more Happy!! Its surely gonna be battle of titans. Hope to use Yahoo! "still beta" program in future to try out wat works best for my site. ;)

[Googles76]

It will be interesting to see what Yahoo! will come up with, and also how Google is going to counteract it:D I wonder if Google execs are running around in panic, preparing for war. And when M$ comes out with theirs, it will be even more fun. Something like 80-85% of people still use IE as their web browser. I think they may use that to their advantage.

[GADOOD]

Yeah, wait til the next version of Windows and Internet Explorer 7. I wonder what Microsoft will do... He he ;)

Pete

[david_sakh]

Yeah, wait til the next version of Windows and Internet Explorer 7. I wonder what Microsoft will do... He he ;)

Pete

I'm not investing in Vista; as one of my friends so aptly put it, it's XP with windowblinds.

But I'm sure others will. ;)

Sometimes I wonder if MS's capital and influence could let it strongarm its way into any arena.

[Googles76]

I'm not investing in Vista; as one of my friends so aptly put it, it's XP with windowblinds.

But I'm sure others will. ;)

Sometimes I wonder if MS's capital and influence could let it strongarm its way into any arena.

Isn't the next Windows will be fully 64-bit compatible? I know that there is XP 64 but that was built on top the 32 bit windows. I think I read somewhere that the next windows will be 64bit from the ground up:D Can't wait to put my Athlon 64 to full potential.

[visioninfotech]

yahoo is getting late in testing things for too long

[TommyD]

yahoo is getting late in testing things for too long

I'm feeling the same way, especially if the Y-AS is a piece of crap, or so TOS restrictive it makes G-AS look great, it's going to be a big let down.

later,

tom

[Henny]

If Yahoo! was wise, they would talk to some webmasters making aroung $1000.00 per month on Adsense, I believe this niche is where Google's bread and butter lies.

[webmistress]

Yahoo is definitely taking too much time to test this new adsense prog. I can't wait to tes...make some green outa it :p

[chikku]

nice to hear that yahoo is coming as a competetor to google.google always tries to kick publishers and eat the amount.

[king_cobra]

google always tries to kick publishers and eat the amount.

if a publisher is kicked out, the amount in their account will be paid back to the advertisers who were suffered from the clicks from that particular adsense account. they r not eating it.

[Blogmaster]

So this is for all of those who are running both, YPN and Adsense:

How do those 2 compare? (income wise, relevant ads displayed etc.)

I'm still waiting to be accepted by Yahoo!

[Homer]

Mike, I'm not sure how the 2 compare and I don't really care! Yahoo!! in their infinate wisdom, have elected to ban some of my sites for reasons unknown to me.

I'm on my second consecutive month of banner breaking AS earnings. It is not my prime source of income so...as long as my earnings continue to improve why would I even think about it? IMO

[aeiouy]

Homer did they tell you they banned your accounts?

[Blogmaster]

Mike, I'm not sure how the 2 compare and I don't really care! Yahoo!! in their infinate wisdom, have elected to ban some of my sites for reasons unknown to me.

I'm on my second consecutive month of banner breaking AS earnings. It is not my prime source of income so...as long as my earnings continue to improve why would I even think about it? IMO
That reasons unknown part is what really scares me!

[GADOOD]

We're they 'Built for Yahoo' sites, even though they we're probably 'Built for AdSense'? Snigger.

Hm.. I think I've found a work-around for building sites for AdSense. I'll build them for Yahoo in future, and since I aren't accepted in to YPN! yet I'll just place AdSense on them in the meantime. Sawted.

Pete

[Homer]

Homer did they tell you they banned your accounts?
aeiouy, this was the response I got when I emailed them:
Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Search.

It has been determined that your site may not comply with Yahoo!'s Content Policy Guidelines located at:

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/deletions/deletions-05.html

Below are some answers to common questions regarding this issue:

Q: What are some of the common reasons that a site may violate Yahoo!'s Content Policy Guidelines?

A: Yahoo!'s Content Policy Guidelines (link above) outline what we are and are not looking for in pages that we index. Listed below are some of the more common reasons that a site may violate these guidelines:

- Cloaking (showing crawlers deceptive content about a site)
- Massive domain interlinking- Use of affiliate programs without the addition of substantial unique content
- Use of reciprocal link programs (aka "link farms")
- Hidden text
- Excessive keyword repetition

Q: If my site has a judgment against it, can I use the SiteMatch inclusion program?

A: All pages submitted to SiteMatch are editorially reviewed. If a site has a judgment against it, it is likely to be rejected by the SiteMatch program.

Q: If my site has a judgment against it, can I use the Yahoo! Express directory inclusion program?

A: Yes, the Yahoo! Directory and Yahoo! Search Index are different systems. Inclusion or exclusion from one does not affect the other.

Q: How can I have my site re-reviewed?

A: Please review our content policy guidelines to make sure that your site meets all of them. When you feel the site is ready, please complete the form located at:

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/ysearch/cgi_rereview

requesting a re-review of your site. You may wish to include an explanation of unique features on your site, or details of changes to your site's content that may assist our editors in their evaluation.

Please allow several weeks for the review process, YST indexing, and a complete refresh of the database before checking http://search.yahoo.com to see if your site is listed in the Yahoo!Search Index. We do not offer specifics detailing how an individual site is not in complience with our guidelines, but we will review your site individually. You will not be receiving further notification regarding your request for a second review, and we are not able to offer the option of another review.

Thank you for taking the time to make the Yahoo! Search Index better.


Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.


Regards,

That reasons unknown part is what really scares me! Mike, I have my suspicions what it was and have since stopped doing *What I think* may have triggered it. I have made changes that *may* have even been close to violating their TOS. Rereviewed 4 times now with no success:confused:. Yahoo!! will not confirm or deny my infraction(s). It has been about 3 months now.


As far as the YPN, I'll just wait to hear from some of the users that can give an honest comparison :).

[Blogmaster]

Thanks, keep us posted!

[soul-healer]

When the Yahoo YPN will be available for worldwide it will really hurt google as many ppl will move to YPN thats for sure.

[Yellowberry.org]

Is there any limits now what country you have to have a passport from or something?:confused:

[Blogmaster]

I've been waiting for 2 weeks now and no answer ... should I reapply?