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[ROAR]

Morning everybody. I noticed in my site logs that a DMOZ editor placed my site in an extremely local category. Cool. I am pretty happy with it.

That wasnt the category I submitted to however. While anything is possible, could it be reasonable to think I may get into the larger categories for my widgets also?

-ROAR

[Blogmaster]

The editors for local categories do a lot more listings on their own searching rather than wait for submission.

It could be that your submission has not been looked at yet, or denied.
Not sure about your question though :D

[ViciousSummer]

...could it be reasonable to think I may get into the larger categories for my widgets also?

-ROAR
I wouldn't hold your breath...;)

[macdesign]

It's based on your office address. So even if your customers are in New York, you stay in New Jersey.

However, make an additional suggestion to be listed in http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/New_Jersey/Localities/F/Farmingdale/Business_and_Economy/

[Blogmaster]

I have been told that the info on your contact page as well as the whois data will dictate the region you are getting listed for.

[joshril]

I submitted my site to DMOZ....how long does it usually take???

[GTech]

I'll be interested in seeing if you ever get listed Josh. I've submitted a number of sites to the Amarillo area over the years and have had no luck.

[Blogmaster]

Josh, it all depends on who the editor is ... I have seen 1 day listings and I have seen 5 years, no lie!

[macdesign]

Saying it depends on the editor, oversimplifies what is going on.

I can end up reviewing two sites in the same category in the same day, one may have been waiting five years, the other one day. One site owner will say - that editor is really fast, the other will say, that editor is lazy and should be fired.

[Blogmaster]

One site owner will say - that editor is really fast, the other will say, that editor is lazy and should be fired.
What does that have to do with anything?

[joshril]

What is the "trick" to getting listed in DMOZ?? Is it really a big benefit to get your site listed with DMOZ?? Thanks.......

[GTech]

There's lots of speculation on tricks (most unethical IMHO) and I'll refrain from those types of comments. There can be a huge benefit, depending on the section you are in, as some pages have considerable page rank. However, in the Amarillo areas, the pages there have no page rank at all. I doubt you would see any inherent advantage of being there, at least in the Amarillo categories.

Submit your site, then forget about it and find other places to submit to.

[macdesign]

You said Josh, it all depends on who the editor is that's not a complete answer

[Blogmaster]

true and I take it back. A lot of categories have been abandoned by their editors so I guess it depends on the category.

[macdesign]

It's a very dynamic thing - categories and editors come and go, and since most edits are done in categories without named editors, it's impossible to know which editor is doing what unless you study internal logs.

Some categories - no one wants to edit. I have one where I got persuaded to help out, and do very little editing, mostly just redirect misplaced sites, but there I'm just a "greenbuster" where all my edits have to be apporved by someone else - that way my name does not appear, and maybe someone will come and apply for it and I can drop it. In some other areas I've taken over categories where no one has edited for over a year, I'm interested in working there, so I'm getting caught up.

Other categories have editors who have got busy with other things, or they just got tired of editing, so nothing much happens.

DMOZ rules for today. Each of these give you a little edge in getting reviewed sooner.

1. Ignore the editor name
2. Spend time choosing the single best category to minimize the chance of getting shuffled around. Don't submit to multiple categories.
3. Make a good title and description that makes the editor want to just grab your site and list it with minimum effort. Submissions with descriptions like "The best source of the most excelant fantastic gorp in the world" make me jump to another site for review.
4. Make the site load fast, avoid Flash if you can - if you have to have it, let me skip the intro, and skip the loud music. I have no patience to wade through noisy slow intros.
5. Make a clean attractive looking site, that make me happy to review it today.

[Blogmaster]

Most ppl don't have the patience to read thru many instructions. Mac has made things clearer than the DMOZ submission pages and I can only advice ppl to follow it.

But however ( there has the be a "but").

How important DMOZ is going to be in the future is out in the open.

I happen to edit the "computer" category at http://www.joeant.com and as soon as you have a few more tips and some more content, I will get you in :)

Right now the ratio of advertising vs. content is too high and the commercial site requirements are pretty strict.

JoeAnt is not as powerful as DMOZ but you will be published on the public side of the directory within less than a week once accepted in.

I just thought of a new profession that could arise. Professional DMOZ submitter.

Mac, you are helping only a few ppl with this post and the majority of webmasters has no clue and doesn't care to read thru a lot of instructions. Did you read thru Shawn's rules when you signed up here ? ;)

Anyways, hope everyone is happy ... my day's been good. Peace!

[macdesign]

I just thought of a new profession that could arise. Professional DMOZ submitter.I've considered doing it for some time, and posted internally that I might. As usual there is a difference of opinion. If I did it it would only be for sites in categories I could not edit, that keeps it above board and the web site owner would have to submit from the outside. Also I have to declare all sites that I have any financial connection with.

Some think it would be good since the quality of the submission would be higher, and it would be easier to review. Others think that effectively that becomes too much like a paid submission, since by providing a better description and title I've increased the chance of the site getting reviewed sooner. The question really is - how would people pay for a quick site review, a suggested category and a properly written description?

Mac, you are helping only a few ppl with this post and the majority of webmasters has no clue and doesn't care to read thru a lot of instructions. Did you read thru Shawn's rules when you signed up hereYes, but I'm missing what you are trying to tell me. :rolleyes:

[Blogmaster]

I think on the DMOZ site there should be some reorganization. The most important instructions easier to see.

The average webmaster looks at the amount of words, clicks somewhere and submits.

It makes you guys' work a lot harder.

Just like on a business site, it should be more to the point.
A lot of webmasters also resubmit when they don't hear back from anyone within a month or 2.

[SportsOutlaw]

I think the DMOZ site need reorganization as well. meaning, completely blow up the current opererations of that mess and rebuilding what was once a very respectible directory.

The site is simply filled with editors who want to promote their own crap.

Lets be serious here. I tried to become an editor of an unedited category. It relates to fantasy football which is extremely popular these days and has tons of sites that are not in the category.

Still not sure why but I got rejected. My email gave no reason for me being rejected. When I voiced my frustration over this at resource-zone, I got banned. I never even said a bad word. I simply voiced my opinion and got banned. There are definate problems there.

[macdesign]

Yes, but I'm missing what you are trying to tell me. Ok I got it :) :) :) :rolleyes:

[Blogmaster]

Mac ... roll your eyes all you want. it'll be DMOZ editors (and a few suck-ups)against the rest of the world, who do you predict will win? :cool:

Actually ... a lot of editors are switching sides

[macdesign]

Fort DMOZ, The Internet 2005

Genre: Action / Drama (more)

Tagline: No Cowboys, No Indians, No Cavalry To The Rescue, Only A few ODP EDitors against a killer army of SEO fiends.

Plot Summary:From the eys of an ODP editor this movie depicts the life in the internet's infamous directory. In the center is Hutcheson, as the other editors man their editor desktops in their empire, which really seems like an outpost in enemy's country. The story follows officer Mac Design, who seems to be a tuff cynic, but in truth he's a moralist with a sense for justice.

User Comments: Pretty good search engine drama

[Blogmaster]

ladies and gentlement: that's what DMOZ editors consider humor :(

[davedx]

I think it's pretty funny, and quite close to home. :D

[Blogmaster]

if you call that close to home, I'm afraid to look at your house.

here is some useful info for everyone wondering what it takes to get into DMOZ http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-Engine-Optimization/DMOZ-Tips/

[macdesign]

But like so many DMOZ articles it has incorrect information.

Last, submitting a site to a category that is manned by a dedicated editor is better to one that isn’tI work a lot of ODP categories, I've lost count but it's over 500. I'm only named as an editor in around 25. I get a lot of sites submitted at the top levels of those categories - presumably since those categories have my editor name. Those sites take much longer to get reviewed, since I work at the bottom levels and review sites there first. Then I move up the hierarchy, and review sites that were submitted higher up, some of those sites are eligible for listing at higher levels, the others get moved down a level without being reviewed. And now those sites are sitting in the bottom level, but I just finished editing there, so it's going to be a while till I get back to them. I've it's a complex hierarchy, then a site submitted five levels too high may take a long time to work it's way down to the correct place.

repeating your targeted keyword An editor doing a proper job tries not to repeat a word in a description. Submit a description like that, and it's more likely the whole description gets trashed and rewritten.

Some editors are open to multiple listings for submitted sitesCould be but they would be junior editors and unlikely to be able to edit in multiple categories. Remember that senior editors are looking and monitoring unreviewed queues and trying to get rid of spam. I have tools to detect multiple submissions in multiple categories. I run them every couple of days, and if I see what appears to be abuse like this, I just delete the extra submissions. I don't bother looking at the site, I don't bother figuring out which of the multiple categories is the best, I just delete the earliest duplicates. So that advice does not seem to be very effective. That also means when the site is eventually reviewed it has a history of all those submissions, and gets treated with much more care.

[Will.Spencer]

Fort DMOZ, The Internet 2005

Genre: Action / Drama (more)

Tagline: No Cowboys, No Indians, No Cavalry To The Rescue, Only A few ODP EDitors against a killer army of SEO fiends.

Plot Summary:From the eys of an ODP editor this movie depicts the life in the internet's infamous directory. In the center is Hutcheson, as the other editors man their editor desktops in their empire, which really seems like an outpost in enemy's country. The story follows officer Mac Design, who seems to be a tuff cynic, but in truth he's a moralist with a sense for justice.

User Comments: Pretty good search engine drama


Interesting... another thread on this awful little Hutcheson fellow.

Would anyone happen to know details of the creep behind the handle?